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Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 4:41pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Who told you he can't loose to the PDP, well he can still win in 2014 because an average osun electorate has been brain washed with the broom mentality, you can see that in the presidential election result. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by johnie: 6:31pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: Priceworth: salaksmana: mikeansy: Isn't his the governor who signed an agreement with a local government in the UK? The last I heard, he was in India. He sure needs prayers. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 6:48pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
@kassiem,ur arguement is lop-sided, and comparision is floppy?there are differences between elected and appoited offices.hope u know that.if permanent secretaries and directors are performing well,there MAY not be need for appointment of commissioners.civil service needs to be re-organized in d country. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
The constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria is one click away and yet somebody had the temerity to tell me that it is a big lie when I said it is a constitutional requirement for a Governor to appoint a cabinet. Akanbi_edu is your argument driven by ignorance or blind loyalty? Either way you need to inform yourself a little bit more before making any argument on the world wide web. See below. 192. (1) There shall be such offices of Commissioners of the Government of a State as may be established by the Governor of the State http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 11:20pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
You don't even need to know the position of the constitution to understand that there is something fundamentally wrong with a Governor running a state without a cabinet. It is shocking to know that anybody will argue otherwise. What a shame. Aregbesola is breaking the law and the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria upon which he was elected. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 11:36pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
You must not have your friends/party members in the State House of assembly before you fulfill your constitutional role to appoint a cabinet or push through bills or run the Government generally. If there is anything transparent about the ACN as they claim they should not be afraid of a legislature filled by opposition. Sometimes politics is about working with people you don't agree with ideologically for the common good of the state. Who is to say after the next election ACN will control the House? or did Aregbesola know something we did not know as to why he is assuming his party will control the majority after election in House? Was he planning to use his office as sitting Governor to influence the House of Assembly election so that he can now freely appoint his friends unchecked into his cabinet? If this is how the holier than thou ACN operates then how are they different from the PDP? These are the serious questions we should ask not supporting a party blindly just because they are largly supported by people from your region. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by johnie: 1:02am On Jun 16, 2011 |
This is where we miss the likes of Gani. He could have headed to the courts by now. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Lagosboy: 7:35am On Jun 16, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: This is where i have problem with Rauf. Leadership is decision making, it is about being decisive and not foot dragging on important issues. I quite agree that Rauf is a grassroots man but political manouvering is different from governance. Good intentions does not deleiver proper governance rather is is proper planning of policies and implementation that delievers. Whats stop him from mixing his vabinets with lagos based and osun based guys? if after 8 months Rauf is still dragging his feet on this issue it is a big shame. Personally my criteria for assessing if a governor will perform is his actions in the first 12 months. Fashola got praises in Lagos not for what he did in his last two years (because he actually did not do much¨) but his perfomance is his first two years are what endeared Lagosians to him. If after 3 years osun states infrastructure remains the same, there will be no major investments in the state. Even the agricultural program will not be a success if proper infrastructure are not in place. I am not a being pessimistic at all but if it is going to rain at night we would begin to see cloud movements in the afternoon. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 8:20am On Jun 16, 2011 |
I believe this is self-explanatory. Mikeansy, I think some of you guys are trying too hard to paint the ACN in the same light with the PDP in order to justify whatever primordial reasons that made you choose GEJ in the last elections. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by KnowAll(m): 9:36am On Jun 16, 2011 |
@Mikeansy ( 1) There shall be such offices of Commissioners of the Government of a State as may be established by the Governor of the State The constitution states equivocally that “there should be such office of commissioner of a state” but the same constitution is silent on the whether such office is compulsory or not. The constitution did not say and I quote “ there ‘must’ and must is the key word here be such office of commissioners of the Government of a state” the obvious interpretation of this section if looked at holistically and rationally would mean the Governors of a state can empower or use resources at hand and that includes DG’s(Director Generals) or PS(Permanent Secs) in the pursuance of administrative task if need be this assumption is just a referral considering the ambiguity and overtly silence or clarity in the constitution. For a final submittal declaration as to the ‘true wordings’ of this section in the constitution there would need to be a princely declaration by the Supreme Court for conciseness clearing all forms of ambiguity and potential bottle-necks. In the absence of such lording over from the final court of arbiter the intransigence within the law would I am afraid just continue hobnobbing to anyone’s whim and caprice. As it stands the Governor has done no wrong. We must also remember that the Feds at this point in time do not have Ministers and PS are filling in for the Ministers. This scenario conjures up another ambiguity in the Commissionership/Ministerial appointments, how long can the DG’s and PS deputise for the Commissioners and Ministers, 1 month, 10 months, or 4 years, that would also need an understandable declaration devoid of any duplicity if not multiplicities. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Lagosboy: 10:04am On Jun 16, 2011 |
@know all All over the world we have career public servants and politcal appointment like commissioners et al. The difference is that commissioners are there to implement the vision of the governor/president. The DG of the ministry is to execute the th eimplentation plans of the policies. These are two different roles. DGs are used to a particular way of doing things and it is fresh hands, fresh thoughts, fresh ideas that can bring the best out of them. In the UK you secretary of various gov depts and you have managing directors of different sectors in that department who are career public servants etc. Go to Osun state and you will see that no govt is running in that state except the payment of salaries. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by KnowAll(m): 10:13am On Jun 16, 2011 |
All over the world we have career public servants and politcal appointment like commissioners et al. The difference is that commissioners are there to implement the vision of the governor/president. The DG of the ministry is to execute the th eimplentation plans of the policies. These are two different roles. DGs are used to a particular way of doing things and it is fresh hands, fresh thoughts, fresh ideas that can bring the best out of them. That is not the bone of contention. Someone said the Governor is perpetuating an illegality, and I refuse to believe such, since the constitution has not wholesomely declare how governments must be run, and secondly the Feds have no ministers at the moment, what is the time-line to this temperancy. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 12:40pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
When I said it was in the constitution they said it is a big lie. Now that I have provided proof from the constitution they want to play with semantics. See dictionary definition of the word "SHALL" with a clear definition of what it means in law!!!!!!!!!! shall /ʃæl; unstressed ʃəl/ Show Spelled http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shall Lets see what they will come up with next. The phrase "there shall be " means a Governor must by law have a cabinet. Governorship in a democracy is not sole proprietorship folks!!! This has nothing to do with GEJ. I don't think anybody who know me will suggest I suppport GEJ'. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by johnie: 1:40pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
Group sues Aregbesola over lack of cabinet By Dimeji Kayode-Adedeji June 20, 2011 12:31AM A pressure group, the Osun State Voters' Interest Committee, has sued the state governor, Rauf Aregbesola over his failure to name his cabinet since he was sworn in as governor of the state on November 26th, 2010. The group, in an originating summons and an affidavit deposed to in the High Court of Justice, Osogbo, by Ayodele Emmanuel, argued that the non-inauguration of a cabinet has been slowing down the socio-economic development of the state. In the summon, which was filed at the weekend, the plaintiff, which claimed to be a non-profit organisation, contended that the action of the governor runs foul of sections 192 (1); 193 (1); 196 (1) and 197 (1) of the 1999 constitution, which the governor vowed to uphold. Some aides of the governor had defended him, saying he was taking such a long time in choosing his commissioners because he wanted to be sure that only the best are appointed. The plaintiff also prayed the court to determine whether the governor (defendant) was right by his refusal to assign responsibility to the office and person of the deputy governor, in accordance with section 193 (1) of the 1999 constitution. The Committee described the actions of the governor as a negation of the principle of the rule of law. The plaintiff explained that it deposed to the affidavit in good faith, as the step is in the interest of the generality of the indigenes of the state. It however, accused the governor of engaging in dictatorial tendencies by working out of the ambience of the constitution. The opposition Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) had also faulted the inability of Mr Aregbesola to name his cabinet. Recently, the party said it embarked on a fasting and prayer session to solicit God's intervention in the matter. The party also, recently cheekily said it had helped the government recruit his cabinet and announced the names of some members of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) as people the governor should make his commissioners. http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/National/5719085-147/group_sues_aregbesola_over_lack_of.csp |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by johnie: 1:41pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
^^^ About time too. johnie: |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by olapluto(m): 2:37pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
I think Aregbesola is working, but his efforts is like the sweat of a chicken. We cant see it yet. OYES was a big PR blunder. However, on issue of commisioners, I do not believe there should be so much noice. Nowhere in Nigerian constitution do we have a mandated period of time for selection of commisioners. And btw, what do these commisioners really add to the table other than being messengers between the DGs and Perm secs to the governor? If I had my way, I will have a big cabinet and deal directly with the civil servants. We run an over elaborate government and we're unrepentant about it. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by ektbear: 4:39pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
Time is ticking, Mr Aregbesola. Do not embarrass Ijeshaland (and those like myself who are connected by blood to it.) |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by dayokanu(m): 4:52pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
ACN for life |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 8:06pm On Jun 20, 2011 |
ola_pluto: There is something called "Implied Law" in law. I believe the honourable Justice will use his common sense and order Aregbosola to put a cabinet in place immediately. Never mind the delay in everything about Nigeria but the mere fact that the constitution has made it a requirement for offices such as commissioners to be in place means that a Government is incomplete without such offices and the norm should be that one of the first acts of any Governor or President should be to appoint his cabinet. In fact serious leaders announce or start announcing their cabinet latest within 48hrs of assuming office. Also section 193(2) also has the following requirement: 2) The Governor of a State shall hold regular meetings with the Deputy Governor and all Commissioners of the Government of the State for the purposes of - How has the Governor been fulfilling this section of the constitution in the last 8months? This is where the principle of "implied law" comes into play. 8 Months is just too long not to have a cabinet and your argument that the constitution stipulates no timeline to name a cabinet will fall flat because the constitution already assumes that a cabinet must be in place from the onset which is why a Governor is required to hold meetings with his deputy Governor and Commissioners. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 11:42am On Jun 21, 2011 |
Aregbesola faults Osun PDP’s sense of history on exco By Adeniyi Adesina20/06/2011 00:08:00 Font size: Aregbesola Osun State Governor Rauf Aregbesola has faulted the sense of history of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP)which said it had researched into the history of democratic governance the world over and discovered that none had operated without an executive council seven months after taking over. Aregesola ,through his Director, Bureau of Communications and strategy, Mr. Semiu Okanlawon, said “one cannot but be amused by the content of a statement by the Osun State Chapter of the Peoples Democratic Party which shows the warped sense of history of its leaders.” The Osun State PDP, in a statement titled: “Aregbesola Enters Guinness Book of Records” and signed by its Acting Chairman, Chief Sunday Ojo-Williams, said: “Since the Greek started democracy as the best form of government, no one has run a government without a cabinet for seven months as being done by Mr Rauf Aregbesola in Osun state. Aregbesola said: “Since Chief Sunday Ojo-Williams has no sense of even recent history of Nigerian politics, may we educate him and his co-sojourners in this fruitless journey that former Governor Balarabe Musa served as Governor of Kaduna State for 20 months. He had no commissioners. Yet, his administration was reputed to have been one of the best in the history of that state. “Had those who created the highly respected Guinness Book of Records carried on with such lazy culture of research and faulty conclusions, would the whole world have taken their findings and records serious? To us, the PDP in Osun State is enjoying the limelight it is getting from debates over the appointment of commissioners. But they should not pollute the highly revered Guinness Book of Records with their poorly researched conclusions. The PDP, needless to state, is known for its penchant for purveying fictions as facts. It has missed the point on this as well. Just last week, the party, out of idleness, named commissioners for me (Governor Aregbesola.) What a trivialisation of serious governance issue? I wish to restate that we have the best interests of the people of Osun State in mind and this, more than anything else, dictates our actions. One thing our critics cannot fault is our service delivery fervour which has manifested in the restoration of hopes in areas of job creation, healthy living, agricultural revolution and others. The people of Osun State are yet to see anything because we are better positioned to turn Osun State around within the shortest pos sible time”, the governor said. http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news-update/9899-aregbesola-faults-osun-pdp%E2%80%99s-sense-of-history-on-exco.html |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 11:45am On Jun 21, 2011 |
A comment "Thanks all good people that have spoken. I still dont know the relevancy of commisioners, for all the states where they have them, they constitute more burden to the state and duel into the state pause and do away with cash. If a state can do without them let the state be. I think the jobs are moving and no crisis is recorded, we thank God for that. A state like Osun with 1.8Billion allocation and 1.2Billion goes into workers benefit, what do we have for state development and out of this again commisioners would come and loot theirs. It is never a must as we can see. God bless Osun State and Nigeria as whole" I hope the bolded is not true. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Nobody: 12:56pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
If Osun State does not want to have commissioners they should approach a court of law and challenge the constitution as is or sponsor a bill in the NASS to get the law changed. Untill then the Governor has a duty to respect a constitution he has sworn an oath to respect at all times. That Balarabe Musa carried on unchalleneged for 20months does not mean Rauf Aregbesola can break the law. He should be grown up about this, do a U-Turn and appoint a cabinet and this matter will become history!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Gbenge77(m): 1:15pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
"Opposition in action" |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by johnie: 1:31pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
Mr. Okanlawon, the reason Musa could not was because the house of assembly was dominated by the NPN who blocked his moves to appoint one. As Governor he was stalemated by the Kaduna state house of assembly, which was dominated by NPN members. He was unable to form a cabinet since he refused to nominate NPN members and the House refused to ratify his candidates. Eventually the House impeached him in June 1981, making him the first Nigerian state governor ever to be impeached http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulkadir_Balarabe_Musa Who is blocking Aregbesola? |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 1:44pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
^^^ Until April elections, Osun state house of assembly was PDP controlled. How many new governors have actually appointed commissioners so far? |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by seanet02: 2:04pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
God punish pdp after using 18 billion as loan to build six stadia and leaving the state in the reds they want to force us to select commissioner, tufiakwa |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 2:07pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
Imagine that! Six stadia in a poor state like Osun, are you for real? |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Lagosboy: 2:31pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
Akanbi_edu: If the bolded is true , this bring me to the conclusion that the governor has a questionable sense of judgement. Otherwise why would a state with overbloated civil service recruit 20000 more workers. Aregbesolas aide should have kept quiet and appoint commssioners rather than try to justify the unjustifiable. Ogbeni Rauf shoulf appoint commissioners and stop this embarassing statements. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Akanbiedu(m): 3:18pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
Lagosboy: It might interest you to know that it will require more funds to take care of the commissioners than the 20,000 workers. This is why many fail when it comes to politics, why do you think ACN won every contested position in the last general elections? You'll all need to be pragmatic once in a while. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by KnowAll(m): 3:30pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
[b]Commissioners were the covert and clever method the military regimes employed to succour and diminish any pain, yearnings and discontent the people might remotely have against their regime. The Military throughout their stay in power always had an innate fear of a backlash from the civilian population and were prepared to use any method which would outwardly make the civilians appear as the majority and truly in most cases the civilians does appear as the majority with a single military Governor surrounded by yes-sir men, to the untrained eye it would seem pleasant and an inclusive Government. IBB’s Government was the most inclusive of all the military regimes he sought after every single critic in the land given them one appointment or the other in effect silently them and having a good uninterrupted 8 years run in power, obviously constantly reminding Nigerians he was going to hand over to a civilian regime. Commissionership by the time the constitution was drawn had become the accepted norm and the only alternative way of Administering in Nigeria, it found her way back into our constitution in 1999 obviously this was a case of mass hysteria in the polity, intellectuals and thinkers tasked with drawing up an all encompassing Administrative model for the country had been transfixed and been hypnotised into believing Commissionership is administration and there can be no substituted or Administration cannot function without these “Gentlemen’s” club which of recent Political God-Fathers has turned into a weapon use to hold many a Governor into ransom. We all saw how Adedibu held the Governors in Oyo state into ransom so also we all witnessed the kidnapping of a Governor in Anambra State and many other atrocities committed in the name of Commissioner’s who were in the regime as a sponsor of the God Father to monitor every steps the Governors make. Commissionership have passed their sell by date and more than b4 we should be looking at alternative models especially in times of dwindling funds to the states[/b] |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by chino11(m): 3:44pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
is oshun a name of Nigerian state. I have not heard of it before, probably a mushroom Yoruba state. |
Re: Aregbesola Needs More Prayers –pdp by Mazrah: 4:14pm On Jun 21, 2011 |
This has been a very fascinating issue for me. Please can any constitutional lawyer or any competent nairlalander in the house explain it to me? Because this is something that can be copied by other States' Governors and even the President of the federation and don't give a hoot. So please I need some legal explanation. |
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