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Igboid:
You are shameless.
He provided a rational rebuttal you couldn't challenge and you resorted to face saving tactics.
Lol!

I deliberately did not respond to him because he chose to coat his response in Alagoa nonsense, which I will no longer tolerate from you all. If you took the time to read, perhaps both you and he are free to see that my response to him is embedded in my response[s] to SlayerForever. That is all I have to say on that. I have no interest in engaging in fruitless back and forth with you. If that is what you came for, then enjoy talking to yourself on this thread from here on in.

Igboid:
This is what you wrote.

Northern Igbo and not North to Bonny.

Nna, please, yes it it. Just learn. You don't have to argue.

If you're talking about Bonny, everything north of bonny is northern.

If im talking about you, everything to your left is left, everything to your right is right.

Northern Nigeria is south of Niger. These are directions like left and right not titles. You can look it up but stop arguing because this is a lot more rudimentary than you know.

Ofodirinwa:
You're talking about Nigeria where the English language died. I'm talking about the English language. North is a direction. I don't think this is something you and I can debate because if you don't want to google it I'll google it for you and show you. Northern Igbo Hinterland, in english means 'part of Igboland that's at a higher latitude than the part I'm referencing'.

I'm not trying to fight you, just listen. North is a direction like left and right. Please don't say north isn't a direction in public.

Sorry you said Bonny was inhabited in the 1500s by northern igbos who called it OKOLOMA.

Please what does OKOLOMA mean?

ChinenyeN:
While I certainly don't mind engaging in discussion and answering questions, I too have questions of my own that I would like answered pursuant to a healthy discussion. Kindly endeavor to not ignore them.



It is not uncommon for bi/multi-lingual communities to develop emergent speech patterns. In that way, it is not uncommon for slight adaptations in names to occur which may over the years (at a casual glance) make it difficult to associate with its original pronunciation without further insight into cultural and linguistic changes. For instance, "Andoni" is the effect of centuries of multi-lingual shifts as "Idoni" (the Ijaw ethnonym for Obolo people) disseminated from one speech community to the next. Likewise, a little over 100 years of colonial indirect rule and post-colonial interaction has passed, and an Ngwa name like "Abanguwa" was eventually transformed to "Abengowe" by British speakers and later adopted within Ngwaland. Now many families go by Abengowe in Ngwaland. This is very much a common phenomenon, and is sometimes known in English as a "time-worn name".



Well, to begin with, Opobo is a predominantly Igbo-speaking community, yet nothing I've noted has so far shown Opobo community to treat Agbayi and Agbaye as synonyms in speech. I've not heard any Opobo person refer to Agbaye Fubara House, for example, as "Agbayi Fubara". If you do know instances of such interchangeability (not necessarily with Agbaye Fubara, but with any name in general), please share, but ultimately for now, nothing suggests that they are interchangeable within Opobo community, suggesting they may not be the same name. By extension, without a reference point I find it difficult to see a basis by which Agbayi in Ngwa can be equated with Agbaye in Opobo. That said, I cannot claim to know Opobo more than Opobo people. There is always the chance of an edge case that I may not be aware of.

What the difference between Chinwa in imo state & Chinwo in Ikwerre?

Eastlandx:
What the difference between Chinwa in imo state & Chinwo in Ikwerre?

We both obviously know that the difference is dialect. In some dialects of Ikwerre, nwọ is the cognate for nwa. Where is your question leading, if I may ask?

ChinenyeN:
We also need to be aware that the Ijaw had a nasty habit of giving their own names to communities that already existed, and having those names (in many cases) displace the name that the community themselves originally went by.

The name Okoloma has mostly been displaced by Beni/Ibeni (now Ibani/Ubani).
The name Khana has mostly been displaced by Igoni (now Ogoni).
The name Obolo has mostly been displaced by Idoni (now Andoni).
The name Umueze has mostly been displaced by A Dokiari (now Ndoki).

This is something the Ijaw were known to do as they more and more expanded into the eastern delta region. The trend is clear and obvious to see here.

Lol!
What in Alagoa's rotten name is the above?
Where in Ndoki history was the above ever recognized?
This Ijaw woman, you are actually overreaching now.
Ndoki is derived from "Anyi Ado kee" meaning what are we dragging.
Has nothing to do with Adokiari or whatever rubbish you Ijaws dream up. I am surprised you have moved on from Aminandokiari to now "A Ndokiari". You lots make this thing up along the way and as you Wish, right?

ChinenyeN:
We both obviously know that the difference is dialect. In some dialects of Ikwerre, nwọ is the cognate for nwa. Where is your question leading, if I may ask?

Then what's the difference in the pronunciation of "yi" & "ye" ?

Igboid:
Lol!
What in Alagoa's rotten name is the above?
Where in Ndoki history was the above ever recognized?
This Ijaw woman, you are actually overreaching now.
Ndoki is derived from "Anyi Ado kee" meaning what are we dragging.
Has nothing to do with Adokiari or whatever rubbish you Ijaws dream up. I am surprised you have moved on from Aminandokiari to now "A Ndokiari". You lots make this thing up along the way and as you Wish, right?

Someone called out this revisionist more than 10 years ago.
Bkayy, Slayerforever

Ekealterego:
Someone called out this revisionist more than 10 years ago.
Bkayy, Slayerforever

Interesting

This guy even called her out as a wolf in sheep clothing.

How could you be so desperately calling for the destruction of the Igbo identity, then turn around to sneak in a political party like Ijo with completely different ethnic groups linguistically and culturally.

CC: Bkayy, Slayerforever.

Eastlandx:
Then what's the difference in the pronunciation of "yi" & "ye" ?

I've already explained this to SlayerForever. Opobo people are predominantly Igbo-speaking, yet no confirmation that their dialect interchanges "Agbayi" with "Agbaye". Even with my own personal interactions with Opobo people, I've not encountered such. I gave SlayerForever the concession that if we can identify instances in which such a dialectal feature is present, then we can consider it. Until that time, asking what the difference between "yi" and "ye" is sounds like we're trying to makeup a fake dialectal feature to suite the narrative.

Please front page. This is interesting.

ChinenyeN:
I've already explained this to SlayerForever. Opobo people are predominantly Igbo-speaking, yet no confirmation that their dialect interchanges "Agbayi" with "Agbaye". Even with my own personal interactions with Opobo people, I've not encountered such. I gave SlayerForever the concession that if we can identify instances in which such a dialectal feature is present, then we can consider it. Until that time, asking what the difference between "yi" and "ye" is sounds like we're trying to makeup a fake dialectal feature to suite the narrative.

Does Opobo speak central igbo or the Ndoki Dialect of Igbo?
If you are sincere to yourself, you know there is no difference between Agbaye& Agbayi.

Eastlandx:
Does Opobo speak central igbo or the Ndoki Dialect of Igbo?
If you are sincere to yourself, you know there is no difference between Agbaye& Agbayi.

Lol. it will go against his Ijawcentric theories.

Eastlandx:
Does Opobo speak central igbo or the Ndoki Dialect of Igbo?

Opobo speak primarily Ndoki with heavy Isu influence.

Eastlandx:
If you are sincere to yourself, you know there is no difference between Agbaye& Agbayi.

You really just want me to repeat myself. I will repeat myself for the third and last time. If you can find Opobo people who can confirm that they call "Agbaye Fubara House" as "Agbayi Fubara House" for example, then it would be settled that the two are the same name. If there's no difference as you claim, then this shouldn't be a difficult feat. There are plenty of Opobo people on NL outside of the politics section. Run a poll, let us all see the results. I've already told SlayerForever, that I can give concession to this if that were the case and it would open up more doors for research. But you're here making me repeat myself three time in a row. Honestly, what is this nonsense?

ChinenyeN:
Opobo speak primarily Ndoki with heavy Isu influence.


You really just want me to repeat myself. I will repeat myself for the third and last time. If you can find Opobo people who can confirm that they call "Agbaye Fubara House" as "Agbayi Fubara House" for example, then it would be settled that the two are the same name. If there's no difference as you claim, then this shouldn't be a difficult feat. There are plenty of Opobo people on NL outside of the politics section. Run a poll, let us all see the results. I've already told SlayerForever, that I can give concession to this if that were the case and it would open up more doors for research. But you're here making me repeat myself three time in a row. Honestly, what is this nonsense?

The only nonsense here is the thing you wrote above.
Let me say it again, there is no difference between Agbaye & Agbayi.

Eastlandx:
What the difference between Chinwa in imo state & Chinwo in Ikwerre?

Nwo = possess/have
Nwa = Child

There's a place in Ikwerre called Omo Nwa, so i hope we're not saying Nwo is child in 'Ikwerre language'

Eastlandx:
The only nonsense here is the thing you wrote above.
Let me say it again, there is no difference between Agbaye & Agbayi.

You keep saying it, but not once have you shown an instance in which Agbaye is the confirmed as same name as Agbayi in Opobo community. Anyhow, whatever. At this point, you're only just making me go round in circles repeating myself. I no longer care to do that.

ChinenyeN:
You keep saying it, but not once have you shown an instance in which Agbaye is the confirmed as same name as Agbayi in Opobo community. Anyhow, whatever. At this point, you're only just making me go round in circles repeating myself. I no longer care to do that.

And what tangible evidence have you used to show that Agbaye is different from Agbayi?
Go and rest Abeg, you don't know what you are saying.

Ekealterego:
Someone called out this revisionist more than 10 years ago.
Bkayy, Slayerforever

This is really not a recent issue

Anonymous15:
They have come again....
419ers
They have resumed their stupidity this year.

So you are still here. How is Nembe our Igbo brothers.

Ofodirinwa:
Nwo = possess/have
Nwa = Child

There's a place in Ikwerre called Omo Nwa, so i hope we're not saying Nwo is child in 'Ikwerre language'

You are wrong

ChinenyeN:
You keep saying it, but not once have you shown an instance in which Agbaye is the confirmed as same name as Agbayi in Opobo community. Anyhow, whatever. At this point, you're only just making me go round in circles repeating myself. I no longer care to do that.

Except you are being mischievous or trying to divert attention from the crux of this thread. What is all this noise about Agbaye/Agbayi? When does the anglicized spelling of words start denoting it's meaning or interpretation. I would have expected you to maybe find out the meanings of these names but your are here obstinately telling us Agbaye isn't Agbayi. If another person spell Agbai, you would still tell us it means a different name. Same way you would say Woke isn't Nwoke, Nwike isn't Wike, Eze isn't Ezeh etc

I also find amusing your preponderance to ijawnize the eastern Delta with Ndoki as Aminadokiari, Andoni as Idoni (the interesting thing here is this hasn't been found in any European account except in the typical fabrications).

Nice attempt at telling us how the ijaws escorted the Ngwa man Alagbarinye from imo river en route Bonny. You are doing a great job propagating the ijaw myth of origin.

Any student of history knows that ijaws originated from the western Delta and are recent migrants to the eastern Delta. Igbos were already in Bonny before the Brass people arrived. The brass then were definitely not ijaws.

Anyone making claims here should show us records of non Nigerian authored historical documents any other thing is the typical tales by moonlight that Nigerians are saddled with.

Ofodirinwa:
Nwo = possess/have
Nwa = Child

There's a place in Ikwerre called Omo Nwa, so i hope we're not saying Nwo is child in 'Ikwerre language'

Nwo is Nwa in Ikwerre.

Nwa
Wa
Nwo

Are all ways Child is said in different parts of Igbo.

Igboid:
Nwo is Nwa in Ikwerre.

Nwa
Wa
Nwo

Are all ways Child is said in different parts of Igbo.

So why is the LGA Chairman of Ikwerre LGA Samuel Nwanosike?

Ofodirinwa:
So why is the LGA Chairman of Ikwerre LGA Samuel Nwanosike?

Ignorance.

Different part of ikwerre has different origin.

While some use umu, others use rumu & some use oma

Igboid:
Nwo is Nwa in Ikwerre.

Nwa
Wa
Nwo

Are all ways Child is said in different parts of Igbo.

The "Wa" for "nwa" is also common in Ndoki, Ngwa and some parts of Imo state

The "Nda" for "nna" is also common in "Akoli" and some other parts of Bende in Abia state. However, they do not use it in their names, although it is basically used instead of "Nna".

Oh my goodness, 9Pluto, you too? This is becoming too much. 9Pluto, I hope you can see that people are putting words in my mouth, now everyone wants to argue with me about something I didn't say. I can't physically keep this up all day.

9Pluto:
Except you are being mischievous or trying to divert attention from the crux of this thread. What is all this noise about Agbaye/Agbayi? When does the anglicized spelling of words start denoting it's meaning or interpretation. I would have expected you to maybe find out the meanings of these names but your are here obstinately telling us Agbaye isn't Agbayi. If another person spell Agbai, you would still tell us it means a different name. Same way you would say Woke isn't Nwoke, Nwike isn't Wike, Eze isn't Ezeh etc

This isn't even what I was talking about. At this risk of having to repeat myself yet again, my statement was that I have not met any Opobo people that have used Agbayi in place of Agbaye and Agbaye in place of Agbayi. I have not met any Opobo people that would consider Agbayi and Agbaye interchangeable. Simple. I already said that if they do, then we can start to look into how Agbaye would fit in all this. I can't believe how many times I've had to repeat this.

9Pluto:
I also find amusing your preponderance to ijawnize the eastern Delta with Ndoki as Aminadokiari, Andoni as Idoni (the interesting thing here is this hasn't been found in any European account except in the typical fabrications).

SMH. I can only repeat myself so much.

9Pluto:
Nice attempt at telling us how the ijaws escorted the Ngwa man Alagbarinye from imo river en route Bonny. You are doing a great job propagating the ijaw myth of origin.

Like, this isn't even what I've actually said. You're putting words in my mouth too now?

9Pluto:
Any student of history knows that ijaws originated from the western Delta and are recent migrants to the eastern Delta. Igbos were already in Bonny before the Brass people arrived. The brass then were definitely not ijaws.

Yes, this is also true.

Like honestly, I don't have the energy to keep up this back and forth with everyone. Nor do I have the energy to track down all the words everyone is trying to put in my mouth. It's gotten tiring.

THEN IKWERE HAS ARO INFLUNCE THERE.WE AROS USE NWO TO MEAN "HAVE".LIKE Ò MO NWO EGO ÒHU.I AM THE ONE THAT OWNS THE MONEY

Eastlandx:
You are wrong

Eastlandx:
Ignorance.

Different part of ikwerre has different origin.

While some use umu, others use rumu & some use oma

Lol so when Duncan Mighty was singing Obururkwelum Oma, what was he saying? Lol chie.

Nna lingusitics is a real subject. It is like you sitting in your father's parlor and think you can change the Chinese constitution with claims and assertations. You are reasoning like a real rumu

Denoh68:
THEN IKWERE HAS ARO INFLUNCE THERE.WE AROS USE NWO TO MEAN "HAVE".LIKE Ò MO NWO EGO ÒHU.I AM THE ONE THAT OWNS THE MONEY

Only aro(chukwu) says Nwo?

Ofodirinwa:
Nwo = possess/have
Nwa = Child

There's a place in Ikwerre called Omo Nwa, so i hope we're not saying Nwo is child in 'Ikwerre language'

There is a third Chinwe, the "Nwe" here in the Northern Igbo means have/possess.