So I decided to create this thread because of an alarming ignorance which I noticed from the commenters in an earlier thread today about alcohol not being sinful.
The ignorance is about whether Jesus turned water into an alcoholic drink or not. The funny thing was that one of the commenters was bragging about his ignorance and was calling the actually correct person the ignorant one.
So here's the thing. The bible (all versions) clearly stated that Jesus at a wedding feast turned water into wine. There are two proofs here to show that what Jesus turned water into was alcoholic:

The first is from the simple basic dictionary meaning of wine: 'an alcoholic beverage'... Most Nigerians erroneously say things like 'Eva wine" when they mean 'Eva juice'. ( You need to check the containers of the beverages you buy. If you ever see 'wine' used to address anyone of them with zero alcoholic content, then just know that the producers are ignorant.)
So yeah, a wine by its nature is basically an alcoholic drink. There is nothing like 'non-alcoholic wine'...It is like saying 'my barren mother' or 'a dry water' It is logically impossible to conceive such let alone have it in reality.
The second reason is the historical context of the event. We need to know that this event took place in a Jewish setting, and for some religious reasons, having wine at a wedding ceremony was a necessity. It doesn't matter that this wine may be fermented locally. This is same reason why till today, catholic priests (and indeed some other denominations) use alcoholic drink as altar wine. It is historical and associated with the semitic religious practices.
In any case, what the Rev. Fr. Oluoma was trying to say was a simple truth...alcohol can be, and is often medicinal. In fact...medical report suggests that those who take alcohol moderately are healthier than those who either take it excessively or who neither take it at all. I once had a friend who as part of the therapy for his heart problem was asked to constantly take tobacco and other nicotines by his doctors. And these were foreign doctors. Red wine in particular is good for your heart.
So the next time you see someone taking an alcoholic drink...don't think he is a lost soul or a scumbag. Just make sure (especially if he is related to you), that he 'drinks responsibly'.
Thank you.

He soaked gegemu inside the water..

Monkey tail don tey oo

Observinho:
So I decided to create this thread because of an alarming ignorance which I noticed from the commenters in an earlier thread today about alcohol not being sinful.
The ignorance is about whether Jesus turned water into an alcoholic drink or not. The funny thing was that one of the commenters was bragging about his ignorance and was calling the actually correct person the ignorant one.
So here's the thing. The bible (all versions) clearly stated that Jesus at a wedding feast turned water into wine. There are two proofs here to show that what Jesus turned water into was alcoholic:

The first is from the simple basic dictionary meaning of wine: 'an alcoholic beverage'... Most Nigerians erroneously say things like 'Eva wine" when they mean 'Eva juice'. ( You need to check the containers of the beverages you buy. If you ever see 'wine' used to address anyone of them with zero alcoholic content, then just know that the producers are ignorant.)
So yeah, a wine by its nature is basically an alcoholic drink. There is nothing like 'non-alcoholic wine'...It is like saying 'my barren mother' or 'a dry water' It is logically impossible to conceive such let alone have it in reality.
The second reason is the historical context of the event. We need to know that this event took place in a Jewish setting, and for some religious reasons, having wine at a wedding ceremony was a necessity. It doesn't matter that this wine may be fermented locally. This is same reason why till today, catholic priests (and indeed some other denominations) use alcoholic drink as altar wine. It is historical and associated with the semitic religious practices.
In any case, what the Rev. Fr. Oluoma was trying to say was a simple truth...alcohol can be, and is often medicinal. In fact...medical report suggests that those who take alcohol moderately are healthier than those who either take it excessively or who neither take it at all. I once had a friend who as part of the therapy for his heart problem was asked to constantly take tobacco and other nicotines by his doctors. And these were foreign doctors. Red wine in particular is good for your heart.
So the next time you see someone taking an alcoholic drink...don't think he is a lost soul or a charlatan. Just make sure (especially if he is related to you), that he 'drinks responsibly'.
Thank you.

You are grinded way up! I don't have much to say but to say thank you for the enlightenment.

YOU WILL NOT SEE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS2 IN THIS KINDA THREAD

mike404:
YOU WILL NOT SEE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS2 IN THIS KINDA THREAD

Just keep quiet and make your own comment. Let the Man of God be.

The sheer ignorance continues...

But keep deceiving yourselves that you know when you don't.

jesusjnr2020:
The sheer ignorance continues...

But keep deceiving yourselves that you know when you don't.

This is so cryptic...can you be more specific with what you mean?

Why is the op bombarding this space with facts?! We don't do that here sir! Let's continue in our pretense that the water was changed to Hollandia Yorghurt.

jesusjnr2020:
The sheer ignorance continues...

But keep deceiving yourselves that you know when you don't.

Jesus said He "came eating and drinking, and they called Him a wine bibber..." I doubt they would call him that if he was drinking Eva water, don't you think so?

The truth of the matter is Jesus often drinks alcoholic beverages himself!
According to his own statement in the Bible book of Luke 7 Jesus clearly explained that he often drink whatever his host present before him so far it's what's common among God's people unlike John the baptist who doesn't take anything alcoholic Jesus was a perfect man who drinks responsibly!

Jesus went on to say, "To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: "’We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’ For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ’He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ’Here is a glutton and a DRUNKARD, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children." Luke 7:31

Observers noticed that Jesus often drinks, it is evident that no sane human will accuse someone who doesn't take alcoholic beverages a DRUNKARD!

Bluntguy:

Just keep quiet and make your own comment. Let the Man of God be.

YOU MEAN god OF MEN

MaxInDHouse:
The truth of the matter is Jesus often drinks alcoholic beverages himself!
According to his own statement in the Bible book of Luke 7 Jesus clearly explained that he often drink whatever his host present before him so far it's what's common among God's people unlike John the baptist who doesn't take anything alcoholic Jesus was a perfect man who drinks responsibly!

Jesus went on to say, "To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: "’We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’ For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ’He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ’Here is a glutton and a DRUNKARD, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children." Luke 7:31

Observers noticed that Jesus often drinks, it is evident that no sane human will accuse someone who doesn't take alcoholic beverages a DRUNKARD!

SO HE IS NOLONGER GOD

mike404:
SO HE IS NOLONGER GOD

He is God-man.

mike404:

SO HE IS NOLONGER GOD

That's another topic to be discussed some other time.
He is just the angel that always represent God whenever God wants to send an angel to represent Him before humans!
At Exodus 13:21 Moses said it's God that was leading the Israelites but at Exodus 14:19 the same Moses said it was God's angel that's leading the Israelites.
So a balance view will make us realize that the angel people often see back then speaking to them as YHWH was only representing God.
Mind you this same angel visited Abraham with two others, they ate and drank what Abraham served them! Genesis 18:1-8 compare to Hebrews 13:2

Thanks!

HedwigesMaduro:


Jesus said He "came eating and drinking, and they called Him a wine bibber..." I doubt they would call him that if he was drinking Eva water, don't you think so?

So you would because that they called John mad because he was really mad right?

Keep trying to use Jesus to justify your inclination for alcohol in futility.

jesusjnr2020:
So you would because that they called John mad because he was really mad right?

Keep trying to use Jesus to justify your inclination for alcohol in futility.

is taking alcohol a sin? Yes or No

reubenobi:
is taking alcohol a sin? Yes or No

I wouldn't call it a sin, but I don't think it's wise to take it because it could lead someone to sin.

jesusjnr2020:
I wouldn't call it a sin, but I don't think it's wise to take it because it could lead someone to sin.

okay.. your response will suffice

Where is the wine today? If the story is true, then the jars of wine should still be full till today as they should never run out.

MindHacker9000:
Where is the wine today? If the story is true, then the jars of wine should still be full till today as they should never run out.

Why is river Nile not flowing with blood today?

MaxInDHouse:

Why is river Nile not flowing with blood today?

We are not told that river Nile ran out of water and it was then filled with wine like your _cock and bull story created by the Romans occupying Israel at that time. And the river Nile is still flowing with water till today.

In this free information age where there is so much priceless free information on YouTube, adults today can still be believing all these cock and bull stories the Romans created in the New Testament.

Ignorance Is A Choice Today

MindHacker9000:


We are not told that river Nile ran out of water and it was then filled with wine like your _cock and bull story created by the Romans occupying Israel at that time. And the river Nile is still flowing with water till today.

In this free information age where there is so much priceless free information on YouTube, adults today can still be believing all these cock and bull stories the Romans created in the New Testament.

Ignorance Is A Choice Today

Have you forgotten that Moses turned the river to blood? Exodus 7:20-21

So my question is why is it not flowing with blood today?

jesusjnr2020:
So you would because that they called John mad because he was really mad right?

Keep trying to use Jesus to justify your inclination for alcohol in futility.

Mad as used there is more like abnormal, not raving mad. Your preconceived notion probably didn't let you se that.

jesusjnr2020:
The sheer ignorance continues...

But keep deceiving yourselves that you know when you don't.

Did Jesus turn water into wine?
Did Jesus turn water into zobo?
Did Jesus turn water into milk?

Did he turn water to wine so the guests can drink it or flush the toilet with the wine?

HedwigesMaduro:


Mad as used there is more like abnormal, not raving mad. Your preconceived notion probably didn't let you se that.

You obviously don't know what it means to "have a devil" then that would make Jesus consider it insulting to John, but claim to know, so no point trying to help you out on that until you've realized you actually don't know.

jmoore:

Did Jesus turn water into wine?
Did Jesus turn water into zobo?
Did Jesus turn water into milk?

Did he turn water to wine so the guests can drink it or flush the toilet with the wine?

Be specific about what you mean by wine.

Alcoholic or non-alcoholic?

jesusjnr2020:
Be specific about what you mean by wine.

Alcoholic or non-alcoholic?

There is nothing like nonalcoholic wine. That's a false labeling. It's like saying a water that doesn't have H2O.

All wine are alcoholic. That's what makes it a wine.

If you learnt fermentation in school, you should know that.

jmoore:


There is nothing like nonalcoholic wine. That's a false labeling. It's like saying a water that doesn't have H2O.

All wine are alcoholic. That's what makes it a wine.

If you learnt fermentation in school, you should know that.

You obviously don't know anything about unfermented wine which was produced in the days of Jesus, which was considered to be the wine of the highest quality, and tallied with the quality of wine that Jesus turned water into.

Kind visit this link so you stop speaking ignorantly:

http://www.auchurch.com/resources/articles/2016/04/15/did-jesus-turn-water-into-alcoholic-wine

jesusjnr2020:
You obviously don't know anything about unfermented wine which was produced in the days of Jesus, which was considered to be the wine of the highest quality, and tallied with the quality of wine that Jesus turned water into.

Kind visit this link so you stop speaking ignorantly:

http://www.auchurch.com/resources/articles/2016/04/15/did-jesus-turn-water-into-alcoholic-wine

Cure your own ignorance here https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

Any Dick, Tom and Harry can write anything. HTML doesn't mean the source is the truth.

jmoore:


Cure your own ignorance here https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

Any Dick, Tom and Harry can write anything. HTML doesn't mean the source is the truth.

At least you can see that this argument is not restricted to us here in NL, but one which is on-going for ages even among the most educated folks. So don't think the idea of non-alcoholic wine is elementary.

People who know much better than you do about these things say that there's such a thing as non-alcoholic wine!

The bitter truth is that, The said Jesus Christ who turned water into wine doesn't exist.