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Re: Gov. by ponyonm: 11:36pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
gambojimeta: Those ones have deadly kinzhal missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads in kaliningrad terrorizing them which they do not like. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 11:37pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
Segun2222: What did US gain from Vietnam after 20 years? Russia has already annexed country-sized territories in 8 months. Moreover, this is a special operation. US carpet bombed territories in Vietnam. In one night, they destroyed 2,000 homes in Hanoi. Russia has not employed that tactic yet, as it is not a War. The US lost 900+ aircrafts in Operation Rolling Thunder which they had to cancel. You guys will commit atrocities and call it military tactic. Rubbish! -Lord 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Ibime(m): 11:37pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
LordAdam16: It took the mighty Russia 6 months to take all those places and you expect Ukraine to take it back in 4 weeks from across the River. Calm down, we've been patient enough to allow the big bear 6 months to do 10% of what it said it would do in 2 weeks. 1 Like |
Re: Gov. by Segun2222: 11:45pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
LordAdam16:usa doesn't need to steal lands, Russia has lost in a year what usa lost in 20 years, annex country territories where fight is still happening, aren't you educated 1 Like |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 11:50pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
Ibime: Shalaye! Ukraine signed an agreement two times. One in 2014 and again in 2015. Agreement was guaranteed by Germany and France. Why did they continue shelling civilians? Lastly, Russians are not Biafrans or Iraqis who will lose hundreds of thousands or millions before describing ethnic cleansing as genocide. Look at how you just glossed over untold loss of life to push your agenda. Tomorrow you'll call yourself a "good liberal." Since you've accepted your side broke an agreement and killed thousands of civilians, there's nothing else to talk about. Russia is under no obligation to accept the killings of even a hundred Russians by anyone on the planet. Scream from now until tomorrow, the four oblasts are gone for good. Any other country that shells ethnic Russians, whether they're minorities or immigrants will collect their own violence. Georgia did in 2008. Since then, their body don settle. At least they did not lose any land. Ukraine will learn the hard way. 2/3rd of Golan Heights have been with Israel for over 50 years, heaven did not fall. -Lord 9 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 11:56pm On Sep 30, 2022 |
Segun2222: I'm sure Puerto Rico, Guam, and Hawaii were given to the USA by aliens. People are already using Ruble for transactions in the LPR, Mariupol, and Kherson. Go and stop them. Una go just open mouth wah! -Lord 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 12:04am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: Yes. Only the US alone gave Ukraine the equivalent of Russia's entire yearly military budget. It is just 8 months. The US and co have replaced all lost aircraft, tanks, materiel, and have given them new capabilities with complete surveillance of the entire Ukraine using super-advanced satellites, spy planes, and secret recon assets. They should have no problem trouncing Stormtroopers who steal toilets, don't have complete gear, and have run out of ammunition since April. When you push propaganda, at least try to keep your story straight. Russia cannot be mighty and be a ragtag overhyped third-world country with sh*t economy and rust tanks at the same time. -Lord 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Ibime(m): 12:05am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: Like I said, you can only speak your Ruskie propaganda. Even if Ukraine shell seperatists and 1 civilian dies, you Ruskies will shout genocide. Even the US killed way more civilians in Iraq without deliberately targeting civilians. Therefore I call bullshit on your propaganda that a few thousand civilian deaths equates to genocide when two armies are fighting in a civilian area. Ukraine were very restrained by any standards of war. Ok, let Russia invade Ukraine and shell combatants for just 7 months and they have already killed twice more civilians than Ukraine did in the preceding 8 years. We know the people who deliberately target civilians. We have seen it Syria and we have seen it in Ukraine. This is the Mariupol they claimed they came to liberate, . . .by bombing civilians. Imagine a pot cooked on firewood stove daily calling an electric kettle black. Thunder go fire you for your genocidal lies. 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Gov. by Segun2222: 12:05am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16:e pain you reach like this? 2 Likes |
Re: Gov. by gambojimeta: 12:09am On Oct 01, 2022 |
ponyonm:I don't really understand what you mean but a nuclear fired at those place with trigger article 5. |
Re: Gov. by Ibime(m): 12:10am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: The US have released only $20bln of military aid so far, which is a third of Russias annual budget, withheld all the long range missiles, drones and co and Russia are struggling. USA have not released 5% of the range they have available and Russia are bamboozled. Of course Russia is not fighting with one year's budget of equipment alone, unless they drank the previous 50 years equipment. All Russia does is fire rocket and flatten cities before they can advance. Their close combat gear is shocking to any developed nation. This is a legacy of using $60bln budget to compete with US with 10 times that budget. You would spend your budget on rocket alone to keep up with USA and ignore the smaller things the average soldier needs. |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 12:18am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: Dude I am done with the topic. You've made your admission. When anybody kills thousands of American civilians over 8 years, you can say it is not genocide. That's your own prerogative. But if you kill ethnic Russians over 8 years through continuous shelling, that qualifies as genocide to the Russians. That is their point. That is my point. 400K civilians died in Iraq. 2 million civilians died in Vietnam. But the US does not target civilians. How do you mistakenly kill 400,000 and 2,000,000 unarmed people in two separate conflicts? -Lord 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 12:20am On Oct 01, 2022 |
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Re: Gov. by Ibime(m): 12:20am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: Of course their point is your point since you are a Putard How many civilians have been killed since Russia invasion? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 12:28am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: Another shalaye! I'm not arguing with you about Russian capabilities. Don't have the time, will, or patience. I asked for major successes in Kherson and Zap like they had in Kharkov after one month of offensive against a supposed ragtag military that has run out of ammunitions and lost most of their forces, you start dey talk long story. -Lord 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Gov. by LordAdam16: 12:39am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: I quoted you on this thread to talk about the genocide claim. That'll be the extent of my responses. As for the number of civilians killed since February, everyone acknowledges it is a tragedy. If Zelensky had implemented the agreement signed by the government of Ukraine, and not shell civilians, most of them will still be alive. He owns their deaths as they were avoidable. Especially since Zelensky was elected to be in amicable terms with Russia. That's the platform he ran on. Russia waited 8 years to put a stop to the shelling of civilians. Between sitting on his thumb and sending strongly-worded letters & stopping the shelling, he picked the latter. -Lord 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Gov. by gambojimeta: 12:50am On Oct 01, 2022 |
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Re: Gov. by Ibime(m): 1:01am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: You done dey speak english. Ukraine fought 8 year war, maybe 6,000 civilians died, you say na genocide. Russia fight 8 months war, I ask you how many civilian bodies, you done turn Obahiagbon. It is well. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by gambojimeta: 3:40am On Oct 01, 2022 |
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Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:19am On Oct 01, 2022 |
You are repeating western lies that there is no genocide when events like the Odessa massacre and the daily killing of civilian says otherwise. There is even a report by the UN if Ukrainian war crimes. Ibime: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:24am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Remember when Georgia shelled South Ossetia in 2008? Russian troops entered the country and surrounded the capital. They could have taken half of Georgia but they withdrew when Sakashvili withdrew his troops from South Ossetia. The original invasion of Ukraine was meant to be like that but it became a trap due to staunch western military support and heavy propaganda. Now the real war has begun and we can begin to gauge the real Russian army. LordAdam16: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:29am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: When you support Ukraine this is what you are supporting(see photos). Ukraine started killing Russians in the Donbas first before the armed rebellion started. In 2014, hundreds of pro-russian protesters were locked inside a building and burnt down with it. Ukrainian police supervised the massacre as screams of women and children rent the air. Tell me, has Russia done anything remotely close to this? Please what else do you term ethnic cleansing. Even now, Ukraine continues indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Kherson and Donetsk. 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:39am On Oct 01, 2022 |
So how is that synonymous with Ukraine has taken the city. This is how misinformation spreads. Russia can come with reinforcement and break the siege. Ibime: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:42am On Oct 01, 2022 |
The Donbas is majority Russian speaking. Most people there associated themselves as Ukrainian but speak Russian. It doesn't mean they are not pro-russian. Ibime: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:42am On Oct 01, 2022 |
The Donbas is majority Russian speaking. Most people there associated themselves as Ukrainian but speak Russian. The region was even Russian prior to the Bolshevik revolution. It doesn't mean they are not pro-russian. Ibime: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by Nobody: 4:50am On Oct 01, 2022 |
The genocide started before the war and that was when most of the civilians died during protests. The rebellion pushed ukrainians out. Even now Ukraine is killing thousands of pro-russiqn civilians and labelling them victims of Russia. They did it in Bucha, in Kramatorsk and now doing it in Izium. They also hide behind civilians showing they don't value their people at all. Russia has withdrawn from several places because the wanted to limit civilian casualties. Ibime: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by saxywale2: 5:23am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime:There are similarities between this war with Ukraine and the Georgia-Russia war. Russia backs seperatists to attack a sovereign neighbouring country. When the country embarks on a mission to drive away the seperatist rebels, it soon becomes a full blown crisis with loss of lives on both sides..Russia will quickly claim genocide, and use some funny names for it's ilegal invasion for the weaker neighbouring countries. And of course Russia committed war crimes in Veorgia too just as we have seen in Ukraine. 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Gov. by joyandfaith: 5:34am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: Why are Russians retreating from lands they annexed? Why are they bombing their newly acquired lands? Why are Russians running away from mobilization? 2 Likes |
Re: Gov. by basilico: 5:40am On Oct 01, 2022 |
Ibime: In 2014 the election in Ukraine was rigged in favour of Poroshenko a western leaning Ukrainian. Yanukovich was pro Russia and he went into exile. George Soros and Obama caused the Orange revolution ( note at this time hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma) leading to the Maidan revolution. Donbas region had always been quiet , but when Poroshenko was imposed they started an insurgency aided by Russia which successive Ukrainian comedian Zelensky has been fighting against ruthlessly. Including incorporating the Azov battalion a Nazi group into the Ukrainian army Sometimes its good to point the finger squarely. We have seen the EU and George Soros interfering in electins all over europe/world. Hungary. Israel, Sweden, Brexit, Italy etc. We have seen countries destablised by the west alo Syria, Iraq, Libya. Yemen is a case of Sunni Saudi fighting with the shia influence of Iran sponsored Houthi rebels. The west has supported Iran which controls Iraq , sponsors Hezbola, Hamas, Houthis, PLO. Iran should not get a dime until those crazy Mullahs leave power. Long and short Ukraine war is as a result of Western meddling. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gov. by ponyonm: 6:36am On Oct 01, 2022 |
gambojimeta: Point I'm making is that none of them(both Russia and the NATO countries are at peace cos they all have all sorts weapons and threats facing all of them in the region. 2 Likes |
Re: Gov. by leobergy(m): 6:58am On Oct 01, 2022 |
LordAdam16: western ass lickers are just addicted to eating western shit,so just go easy on them. |
Re: Gov. by Akuruoulo(m): 7:01am On Oct 01, 2022 |
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