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Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Voldoz: 9:01am On Mar 08, 2022
Does he think he is fighting neatly, thanks to Russia's top-secret mobile crematorium?
After a Russian artillery battalion was destroyed while attempting to circle Kharkiv and a Russian fighter jet was shot down over Kyiv, people began to characterise Russia’s invasion as a quote “failed Blitzkrieg.”

I had a realisation.


Russia is using nearly 100 year old Deep operation strategies developed by the Soviet military theorist Vladimir Triandafillov. The strategy is the exact opposite of American and British doctrine of superiority and overwhelming firepower.


There are only two main movement differences between the USSR’s reconquest of Ukraine in 1943 and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022:

an amphibious invasion force from the South.
a more westwardly attack, looping around Kiev to cut it off from Lviv, instead of a purely east to west attack.


Unlike how the US and UK do mobile warfare, which is where enemies are suppressed at the line of contact, or flanked from behind to the line of contact, in Russian Deep Operation, the goal is to make the line of contact irrelevant and induce failure in the enemies formations—forcing them to fall back, often to an encircled position.

Another difference between this strategy and traditional American or British doctrine, is that Deep Operation seeks to achieve a political goal, instead of a tactical advantage. Instead of war being merely the continuation of politics with other means, war is politics in a more literal sense with no separation.

Putin has announced his political goal to the world: to ‘punish’ the quote ‘Nazi’ politicians of Ukraine, who are led by a Jew.

However, one problem with this strategy is that Russia currently has 1/10th the number of troops the USSR did in World War II, and the US is not supplying Russia through Lend-Lease with extra trucks, food, and logistic support. I suspect that Deep Operation is so inherently costly that it will require a massive capitalist manufacturing base to support it.

Another issue is that technology is a lot more advanced than it was in World War II. The striking distance of aircraft, air defences, and artillery is much further. Russian troops behind enemy lines are at risk of being killed by a lot more moving parts than they were in World War II.

Finally, in World War II the countryside mostly supported Soviet troops against the Nazis. However, in Ukraine, most of the countryside is actively resisting Russian troops. Every Russian unit sent in behind enemy lines is susceptible to being completely surrounded and cut off from the logistics train. We are already witnessing Russian mobile infantry units stranded on the side of the road in APCs, completely out of gas.

In other words Russia is exposing its troops to extreme risk, rushing in ass-first with undefended artillery and helicopters, to encircle Kyiv and capture or kill public enemy No 1: Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

It remains to be seen whether Russia can actually achieve its goals with this much smaller force, against a hostile countryside and armed populace, with its forces exposed on all sides.

We also need to keep in mind that Russia is currently deploying 70,000 of its Spetsnaz and professional army and naval infantry forces. Most of that remaining 120,000 troops sitting in Belarus and in Russia are probably barely-trained conscripts and reservists—who the Russian military probably intended to give experience through mopping up the last bits of resistance.

Edit:

A few comments have argued that Russia is not bombing Ukraine at all, or that they are holding back and only hitting very specific targets—that Russia could eliminate all of Ukraine’s air defenses in a few hours (maybe two hours), but have chosen not to out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they want a less damaged Ukraine to rule over.

This is not the case. Without using nuclear warheads, no country on Earth could eliminate Ukraine’s air defenses.

In fact, Ukraine still has ample offensive air abilities, including Turkish-made drones—drones which take a lot less training to operate than a fighter jet.

Quora.com

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rastaramsey(m): 9:08am On Mar 08, 2022
The simple answer is that the niggar is being careful.... He knows NATO could strike anytime.....
U.s,u.k, Germany, France, Poland and co are laying in wait for him....

One mistake, full invasion grin grin
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 9:11am On Mar 08, 2022
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 9:13am On Mar 08, 2022
Rastaramsey:
The simple answer is that the niggar is being careful.... He knows NATO could strike anytime.....
U.s,u.k, Germany, France, Poland and co are laying in wait for him....

One mistake, full invasion grin grin
Nigerians are just funny..
NATO invades Russia!?
What next? France will then invade China?

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by drmuchin: 9:27am On Mar 08, 2022
War is like a game of Chess. Only time will tell the actual winners or losers. Ever heard of a phyrric victory?

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by CatANDratTHEORY: 9:32am On Mar 08, 2022
Putin and his army are overrated. His only hope is on nukes that not only him posses. undecided

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Goodmarlian: 9:50am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:

Nigerians are just funny..
NATO invades Russia!?
What next? France will then invade China?

Nigerians know little about warfare ,that is why they can't even win common Esn in the southeast.

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by joyandfaith: 9:51am On Mar 08, 2022
Voldoz:
Does he think he is fighting neatly, thanks to Russia's top-secret mobile crematorium?
After a Russian artillery battalion was destroyed while attempting to circle Kharkiv and a Russian fighter jet was shot down over Kyiv, people began to characterise Russia’s invasion as a quote “failed Blitzkrieg.”

I had a realisation.


Russia is using nearly 100 year old Deep operation strategies developed by the Soviet military theorist Vladimir Triandafillov. The strategy is the exact opposite of American and British doctrine of superiority and overwhelming firepower.


There are only two main movement differences between the USSR’s reconquest of Ukraine in 1943 and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022:

an amphibious invasion force from the South.
a more westwardly attack, looping around Kiev to cut it off from Lviv, instead of a purely east to west attack.


Unlike how the US and UK do mobile warfare, which is where enemies are suppressed at the line of contact, or flanked from behind to the line of contact, in Russian Deep Operation, the goal is to make the line of contact irrelevant and induce failure in the enemies formations—forcing them to fall back, often to an encircled position.

Another difference between this strategy and traditional American or British doctrine, is that Deep Operation seeks to achieve a political goal, instead of a tactical advantage. Instead of war being merely the continuation of politics with other means, war is politics in a more literal sense with no separation.

Putin has announced his political goal to the world: to ‘punish’ the quote ‘Nazi’ politicians of Ukraine, who are led by a Jew.

However, one problem with this strategy is that Russia currently has 1/10th the number of troops the USSR did in World War II, and the US is not supplying Russia through Lend-Lease with extra trucks, food, and logistic support. I suspect that Deep Operation is so inherently costly that it will require a massive capitalist manufacturing base to support it.

Another issue is that technology is a lot more advanced than it was in World War II. The striking distance of aircraft, air defences, and artillery is much further. Russian troops behind enemy lines are at risk of being killed by a lot more moving parts than they were in World War II.

Finally, in World War II the countryside mostly supported Soviet troops against the Nazis. However, in Ukraine, most of the countryside is actively resisting Russian troops. Every Russian unit sent in behind enemy lines is susceptible to being completely surrounded and cut off from the logistics train. We are already witnessing Russian mobile infantry units stranded on the side of the road in APCs, completely out of gas.

In other words Russia is exposing its troops to extreme risk, rushing in ass-first with undefended artillery and helicopters, to encircle Kyiv and capture or kill public enemy No 1: Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

It remains to be seen whether Russia can actually achieve its goals with this much smaller force, against a hostile countryside and armed populace, with its forces exposed on all sides.

We also need to keep in mind that Russia is currently deploying 70,000 of its Spetsnaz and professional army and naval infantry forces. Most of that remaining 120,000 troops sitting in Belarus and in Russia are probably barely-trained conscripts and reservists—who the Russian military probably intended to give experience through mopping up the last bits of resistance.

Edit:

A few comments have argued that Russia is not bombing Ukraine at all, or that they are holding back and only hitting very specific targets—that Russia could eliminate all of Ukraine’s air defenses in a few hours (maybe two hours), but have chosen not to out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they want a less damaged Ukraine to rule over.

This is not the case. Without using nuclear warheads, no country on Earth could eliminate Ukraine’s air defenses.

In fact, Ukraine still has ample offensive air abilities, including Turkish-made drones—drones which take a lot less training to operate than a fighter jet.

Quora.com
Soviet Ukraine was one of the Republic who helped SU to progress rapidly. If Ukraine did not handover nuclear arsenals to Russia in 1993/1994 with promise that Russia wouldn't be aggressive toward Ukraine, this wouldn't be happening.
Thanks op for sharing.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 9:52am On Mar 08, 2022
Goodmarlian:


Nigerians know little about warfare ,that is why they can't even win common Esn in the southeast.
They think it's a fight between a husband and his wife..
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by sanpipita(m): 10:02am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..

Going for massacres shows how weak they, if they can't face Ukraine military then what's makes their military good, even in recent days they have been targeting Ukraine civilian and residential places, Russia made a big mistake by invading Ukraine.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 10:07am On Mar 08, 2022
sanpipita:


Going for massacres shows how weak they, if they can't face Ukraine military then what's makes their military good, even in recent days they have been targeting Ukraine civilian and residential places, Russia made a big mistake by invading Ukraine.

Hope you know that this is not Americas "shock and awe" wars. This is a well cordinated and deliberate military exercise to decapitate the odious head of The Nazi leadership in Kiev. It's not a war to showcase the flamboyant fighting skils of The Russian Army.... Slowly but surely, The Nazi rats in Ukraine will be packed off to the dustbin of history where they rightly belong..

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Tmberwolf1: 10:07am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..
Yet another mumu that has swallowed Putin's lies!
The west / NATO didn't provoke shit! The nonsense Warsaw pact was a verbal agreement (which holds absolutely no power) between George Bush snr. and Gorbachev. And the pact was that the US and NATO wouldn't move into East Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall. But that pact died the moment the Soviet Union fell, so NATO can do whatever they want! Another thing you seem to misunderstand is that NATO doesn't go around cagouling countries, they only leave their doors open for new members to join. Before joining NATO;
1. A country most hold an election to decide whether it wants to be part of NATO.
2. There must be a unanimous agreement among all member states.
Russia was the sole cause of their problems. After the fall of the Soviet Union, they wanted to turn previous Soviet countries into satellite states that would obey the biddings of Russia, so they bullied and terrorised their former allies, this only pushed former soviet states like Lithuania and Estonia to join NATO, and NATO welcomed them in open arms. As the years go by, Russia's increasingly hostile attitude only pushed former soviet states to the point where many of them have declared Russia as their enemy!!

Now regarding the war.
Russia has the military power to take major cities of Ukraine, theoretically! But UKRAINE AND CHECHNYA ARE NOT THE SAME!!! In a leaked document, Putin expected to completely subjugate Ukraine in 2 weeks, he was wrong! He thought he would meet the quick surrender of Ukrainians, but he didn't expect this kind of fighting. Coupled with the fact that Russian troops are very low in supply, morale with military equipment that haven't been maintained since the cold war.
Now, he could eventually take major cities in Ukraine, but not all of it (because Ukraine is just too large) and this would cost his military a fu*king lot! To maintain control, he would need a lot of personnel and money (which he doesn't have).
In an invasion,
Rolling through the countryside is the easiest part (11 thousand soldiers and hundreds of military hardware lost, that's a fu*king disaster!)
Capturing major cities is the hard part (so far they are yet to do so)
Maintaining control is the expensive part (the Russian economy is currently an embarrassment, let's not even go there)
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Nonexisting: 10:16am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..
Getat. The war is already tough for Russia. Russians have been exposed to not be as tough as people think they are. They are only ruthless but not tough at all. Watch how former small Soviet countries will start to disrespect them from now on. Why do you think UK prime minister is now talking tough to Putin? Would he have had the nerve to do that few months ago? Russians don't want to fight Ukraine with force but they had 40mile long convoy invading Kiev the other day. Maybe they were going there to watch movies. Again I say getat. Mtchew
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 10:17am On Mar 08, 2022
Tmberwolf1:

Yet another mumu that has swallowed Putin's lies!
The west / NATO didn't provoke shit! The nonsense Warsaw pact was a verbal agreement (which holds absolutely no power) between George Bush snr. and Gorbachev. And the pact was that the US and NATO wouldn't move into East Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall. But that pact died the moment the Soviet Union fell, so NATO can do whatever they want! Another thing you seem to misunderstand is that NATO doesn't go around cagouling countries, they only leave their doors open for new members to join. Before joining NATO;
1. A country most hold an election to decide whether it wants to be part of NATO.
2. There must be a unanimous agreement among all member states.
Russia was the sole cause of their problems. After the fall of the Soviet Union, they wanted to turn previous Soviet countries into satellite states that would obey the biddings of Russia, so they bullied and terrorised their former allies, this only pushed former soviet states like Lithuania and Estonia to join NATO, and NATO welcomed them in open arms. As the years go by, Russia's increasingly hostile attitude only pushed former soviet states to the point where many of them have declared Russia as their enemy!!

Now regarding the war.
Russia has the military power to take major cities of Ukraine, theoretically! But UKRAINE AND CHECHNYA ARE NOT THE SAME!!! In a leaked document, Putin expected to completely subjugate Ukraine in 2 weeks, he was wrong! He thought he would meet the quick surrender of Ukrainians, but he didn't expect this kind of fighting. Coupled with the fact that Russian troops are very low in supply, morale with military equipment that haven't been maintained since the cold war.
Now, he could eventually take major cities in Ukraine, but not all of it (because Ukraine is just too large) and this would cost his military a fu*king lot! To maintain control, he would need a lot of personnel and money (which he doesn't have).
In an invasion,
Rolling through the countryside is the easiest part (11 thousand soldiers and hundreds of military hardware lost, that's a fu*king disaster!)
Capturing major cities is the hard part (so far they are yet to do so) ¿
Maintaining control is the expensive part (the Russian economy is currently an embarrassment, let's not even go there)

Too much ignorance in one piece.. How did you do that?
Warsaw pact is between Bush and Gorbachev!? That's a new one! Do you even know the meaning and details of the Warsaw pact? The. Warsaw pact was nothing but an answer to NATO. Bush and Gorbachev were not presidents then! Google..

"NATO has a right to do whatever they like"? Abi? But Russia can't do whatever she likes? And you started by accusing me of being brainwashed! What makes NATO so good and nice? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? How many countries have been invaded by Putins Russia before now? Zero! NATO doesn't coerce other nations to join, abi? So who clandestinely overthrew the pro Russian regime in Kiev few years ago?

NATO met her match in Russia and I'm dead sure that Russia will prevail, even if it takes a million years. Once Putin gets into a conflict, he sees it through. NATO has absolutely nothing to do at Russian borders. And since the agreement within NATO is that an attack on one is an attack on all, what Russia is doing to drive the pugnacious NATO away from her borders is the right thing!

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Rugaria: 10:21am On Mar 08, 2022
Nonexisting:
Getat. The war is already tough for Russia. Russians have been exposed to not be as tough as people think they are. They are only ruthless but not tough at all. Watch how former small Soviet countries will start to disrespect them from now on. Why do you think UK prime minister is now talking tough to Putin? Would he have had the nerve to do that few months ago? Russians don't want to fight Ukraine with force but they had 40mile long convoy invading Kiev the other day. Maybe they were going there to watch movies. Again I say getat. Mtchew

Read the post you quoted again! This time, calmly and with your thinking faculties in place! Memorize that post and keep it in mind. It will take time but Putins Russia finally prevails, I will be here to remind you of this post.. it took Russia longer at Chechnya too.., and yes! There's nothing NATO can do about it other than placing her deluge of funny but "biting sanctions"..
Now, "getat" too..
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by baralatie(m): 10:26am On Mar 08, 2022
I think it has to do with caution and not to incur soo much Ukraine fatalities but this exposes the army itself!

Secondly,use of the population as a shield .you don't really know who the enemy is

Third it is too early in the war to roll the use of power.you don't know the entrants to this fied
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by joyandfaith: 10:28am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
[s]Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people.[/s] This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..

It is just like saying all northerners are hausas/fulani or all easterners in Nigeria are igbo. Soviet union is not the same thing as Russia.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by seunny4lif(m): 10:29am On Mar 08, 2022
You want him to carpet bomb Ukraine like USA and NATO did in Libya and Iraq.
Russia even gave civilians time to leave war front something USA military can never do

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Nonexisting: 10:34am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:


Read the post you quoted again! This time, calmly and with your thinking faculties in place! Memorize that post and keep it in mind. It will take time but Putins Russia finally prevails, I will be here to remind you of this post.. it took Russia longer at Chechnya too.., and yes! There's nothing NATO can do about it other than placing her deluge of funny but "biting sanctions"..
Now, "getat" too..
Now read my own again. There's no doubt that Russia will win the war but they will lose their dignity after that. They have been exposed as the all muscle and no strength bully that they are. Small Ukraine have given them a run for their money, watch how Crimea and all those small countries they bully will want to revolt too. At the end, war is not about who wins but who lose more. Ukraine will lose ordinary infrastructures which you and I know that many countries will support them to rebuild. If Igbos could rebuild in less than 30years, how much more Ukraine but Russia can never ever rebuild their dignity, the respect, the fear and the charisma they have enjoyed over the years. Next thing now is for the US to target their nuke and somehow destroy or disable it and if that is done, the world may put Russia in the same league with Nigeria. grin Now, please getat one more time.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Help2020: 11:07am On Mar 08, 2022
Voldoz:
Does he think he is fighting neatly, thanks to Russia's top-secret mobile crematorium?
After a Russian artillery battalion was destroyed while attempting to circle Kharkiv and a Russian fighter jet was shot down over Kyiv, people began to characterise Russia’s invasion as a quote “failed Blitzkrieg.”

I had a realisation.
US didn't win in Afghanistan. Don't forget in a hurry pls.

Russia is using nearly 100 year old Deep operation strategies developed by the Soviet military theorist Vladimir Triandafillov. The strategy is the exact opposite of American and British doctrine of superiority and overwhelming firepower.


There are only two main movement differences between the USSR’s reconquest of Ukraine in 1943 and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022:

an amphibious invasion force from the South.
a more westwardly attack, looping around Kiev to cut it off from Lviv, instead of a purely east to west attack.


Unlike how the US and UK do mobile warfare, which is where enemies are suppressed at the line of contact, or flanked from behind to the line of contact, in Russian Deep Operation, the goal is to make the line of contact irrelevant and induce failure in the enemies formations—forcing them to fall back, often to an encircled position.

Another difference between this strategy and traditional American or British doctrine, is that Deep Operation seeks to achieve a political goal, instead of a tactical advantage. Instead of war being merely the continuation of politics with other means, war is politics in a more literal sense with no separation.

Putin has announced his political goal to the world: to ‘punish’ the quote ‘Nazi’ politicians of Ukraine, who are led by a Jew.

However, one problem with this strategy is that Russia currently has 1/10th the number of troops the USSR did in World War II, and the US is not supplying Russia through Lend-Lease with extra trucks, food, and logistic support. I suspect that Deep Operation is so inherently costly that it will require a massive capitalist manufacturing base to support it.

Another issue is that technology is a lot more advanced than it was in World War II. The striking distance of aircraft, air defences, and artillery is much further. Russian troops behind enemy lines are at risk of being killed by a lot more moving parts than they were in World War II.

Finally, in World War II the countryside mostly supported Soviet troops against the Nazis. However, in Ukraine, most of the countryside is actively resisting Russian troops. Every Russian unit sent in behind enemy lines is susceptible to being completely surrounded and cut off from the logistics train. We are already witnessing Russian mobile infantry units stranded on the side of the road in APCs, completely out of gas.

In other words Russia is exposing its troops to extreme risk, rushing in ass-first with undefended artillery and helicopters, to encircle Kyiv and capture or kill public enemy No 1: Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

It remains to be seen whether Russia can actually achieve its goals with this much smaller force, against a hostile countryside and armed populace, with its forces exposed on all sides.

We also need to keep in mind that Russia is currently deploying 70,000 of its Spetsnaz and professional army and naval infantry forces. Most of that remaining 120,000 troops sitting in Belarus and in Russia are probably barely-trained conscripts and reservists—who the Russian military probably intended to give experience through mopping up the last bits of resistance.

Edit:

A few comments have argued that Russia is not bombing Ukraine at all, or that they are holding back and only hitting very specific targets—that Russia could eliminate all of Ukraine’s air defenses in a few hours (maybe two hours), but have chosen not to out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they want a less damaged Ukraine to rule over.

This is not the case. Without using nuclear warheads, no country on Earth could eliminate Ukraine’s air defenses.

In fact, Ukraine still has ample offensive air abilities, including Turkish-made drones—drones which take a lot less training to operate than a fighter jet.

Quora.com
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by frugal(m): 11:13am On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. [b]But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... [/b]Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..

Lol.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Tmberwolf1: 12:18pm On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:


Too much ignorance in one piece.. How did you do that?
Warsaw pact is between Bush and Gorbachev!? That's a new one! Do you even know the meaning and details of the Warsaw pact? The. Warsaw pact was nothing but an answer to NATO. Bush and Gorbachev were not presidents then! Google..

"NATO has a right to do whatever they like"? Abi? But Russia can't do whatever she likes? And you started by accusing me of being brainwashed! What makes NATO so good and nice? Libya? Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? How many countries have been invaded by Putins Russia before now? Zero! NATO doesn't coerce other nations to join, abi? So who clandestinely overthrew the pro Russian regime in Kiev few years ago?

NATO met her match in Russia and I'm dead sure that Russia will prevail, even if it takes a million years. Once Putin gets into a conflict, he sees it through. NATO has absolutely nothing to do at Russian borders. And since the agreement within NATO is that an attack on one is an attack on all, what Russia is doing to drive the pugnacious NATO away from her borders is the right thing!
Oops! Did I say Warsaw pact? I'm sorry, I meant the 1989 unification of Germany. But the fact still stands. It was a verbal agreement without any legal backing.
Russia doing whatever it likes involves invading, bombing and bullying sorveign states. I'm sorry, but that's not allowed, common sense should tell you that.
Russian backed forces took part in the removal of Gaddafi from power, so yes Putin was involved in that. Putin also helps keep the butcher of Syria, Bashir Al Assad in power, the number of civilians that bastard has killed is sickening. And the Soviets invaded Afghanistan first! Putin might not have been in power then, but it's still a mess made by Russia.
A clandestine force overthrew the Ukrainian government? Bleep! You have been completely brainwashed! Spoon fed propaganda and lies! Where the Bleep is your proof? Where?!
Putin is in a conflict he can't win, the sooner he realizes the better. NATO is an overwhelming force compared to Russia, they surpass Russia's military capability both in number and technology and they have now galvanized in solidarity and ramped up spending thanks to Putin's invasion, so no, Putin can't do shit to NATO.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by IhateYouMan: 12:25pm On Mar 08, 2022
The Russian military is crap.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by IamAtikulate: 12:30pm On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:


Hope you know that this is not Americas "shock and awe" wars. This is a well cordinated and deliberate military exercise to decapitate the odious head of The Nazi leadership in Kiev. It's not a war to showcase the flamboyant fighting skils of The Russian Army.... Slowly but surely, The Nazi rats in Ukraine will be packed off to the dustbin of history where they rightly belong..
You guys are pathetic.

Putin is matching to Kyiv alone with 40 miles long military convoy, that is over 64,000 meters.

64,000 meter military convoy will contain about 10,000 APCs and tanks.

Are those equipment going to Kyiv to watch movies like someone already asked you?

Russia is OVERRATED.

Simple
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Siwisheswereesh: 1:02pm On Mar 08, 2022


Hope you know that this is not Americas "shock and awe" wars. This is a well cordinated and deliberate military exercise to decapitate the odious head of The Nazi leadership in Kiev. It's not a war to showcase the flamboyant fighting skils of The Russian Army.... Slowly but surely, The Nazi rats in Ukraine will be packed off to the dustbin of history where they rightly belong..

Pro-Putin loooonatic on the beat... grin
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Hanibbal(m): 1:13pm On Mar 08, 2022
Rugaria:
Russia and Ukrainians are almost the same people. This war could have been easily avoided if the NATO politicians in Ukraine weren't very silly with their wayward ambitions. Obviously, Russia has INTENTIONALLY refused to bring down hell on Ukrainian cities. Russia can easily do this! Russia has surplus materials to do this! Ask the Chechnyans.., they saw hell. The Ukrainians are not known to be as sturborn and pugnacious as the Chechnyans, but Russia prevailed in Chechnya. Russia can easily conduct a massacre in Ukrainian cities as The NATO group normally does across the world and get away with it. But they're not doing so for obvious reasons; they don't just need to win a war with their neighbors, they also need to win over the people.... Nevertheless, that can easily change as The West continues to dramatize their socalled support for the NAZIS in Ukraine..

Exactly kiss

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Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Hanibbal(m): 1:16pm On Mar 08, 2022
IamAtikulate:

You guys are pathetic.

Putin is matching to Kyiv alone with 40 miles long military convoy, that is over 64,000 meters.

64,000 meter military convoy will contain about 10,000 APCs and tanks.

Are those equipment going to Kyiv to watch movies like someone already asked you?

Russia is OVERRATED.

Simple

Since they are Overrated, NATO should do the needful. At least they intervened in the Bosnian war. So they should intervene now and put Russia where it belongs since they know Russia is overrated.
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by Horus(m): 1:26pm On Mar 08, 2022
Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine?

Putin simply want to minimize harm to civilians, he want to keep "collateral damage" to a minimum
Re: Why Is Putin Fighting So Sloppily In Ukraine??? by sapientia(m): 8:37pm On Mar 08, 2022
If after reading what the OP wrote, you are still hyping Russia, you need help

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