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Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 2:35pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
You lied again....Your information isn't correct BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LEAVE 15TH CENTURY ..... laughing laugh laughing at you . WHICH AMONG ALL OF THE APPAREL DO WANT TO EQUATE WITH A COMMON CHIEF'S SON? WHICH ORDINARY FAMILY WEARS TWO BEADED CROWN IN THE ANCIENT TIME? SWORD WITH INSCRIPTIONS OF ROYALTY? ALL STILL INTACT AS HE WAS GIVEN.... WHICH FAMILY WEAR SUCH APART KINGLY OF ODUA OR HIS ROYAL BLOOD SONS? HOW COME ODO CHILDREN ARE EXISTING IN EASTERN YORUBA? ...DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE ORIKI OF LUUSI OMO OKE LAGA DA OGUN at all? HIS OGUN IS DIFFERENT . HIS SURNAME WAS OGUN. PART OF HIS NAME IF YOU DON'T KNOW. OONI ADEYEYE EVEN HAVE (OGUN)W (USI ) . IS USI AND OGUN NOT AN ODUA LINEAGE'S NAME? YOU CLAIMED ALL THESE LINK THIS AND THAT OF YOUR ANCESTOR.
DO YOU EVEN HAVE IDEA HOW OLD THE SWORD AND APPARELS ARE? YOU ARE A BABY. YOU DON'T KNOW YORUBA HISTORY. ONLY KING LINEAGE(PRINCES) BORE NAME AS OLU IN THE ANCIENT TIME. ONLY THAT IS ENOUGH . AJAMAYE( THE NAME “AJA"BELONG TO KINGS LINEAGE .). ODUA WAS THE FIRST TO BEAR IT. DON'T EVEN COME NEAR ON MY FAMILY HISTORY. DO YOU THINK I AM NOT WELL GROUNDED?
MENTION ANY YORUBA LAND THAT USES ----KAARE O'BA MI APART FROM OONI AND HIS PATRILINEAL ? MENTION ANY? OMO ODO NI KAN LO LÈ LO...

FABUNMI WAS THE ORIGINAL LEADER OF EKITI PARAPO.... OKE MEESI IS THE LAND OF FABUNMI, OWA LUUSI'S SONS OWNS PART OF THAT LAND BUT THROWN AWAY. DO YOU KNOW WHY? HIS SWORD , TWO BEADED CROWNS AND BEADS, ETC WERE HIS STAFF OF AUTHORITY. OGEDENGBE AGBOGUNBORO WAS THE LEADER OF EKITI PARAPO WHOM YOU CAN CALL MERCENARY BECAUSE HE WAS BEGGED TO FIGHT FOR THEM AND A LOT OF PROMISES WOULD HAD BEEN MADE AND ILE IFE JOINED LATER... SO, HOW COME AJAMAIYE DIDN'T APPEAR ON THE SIDE OF EKITI PARAPO? YOU SEE, HE WASN'T A MERCENARY BECAUSE HE APPEARED ONLY FOR HIS FATHER'S THRONE.
KINDLY FIND HIS ORIKI AND PROOF US WRONG.

MANY FAMILIES FOUGHT FOR ILE IFE, HOW COME HE WAS RECOGNISED? WAS THE STRONGEST? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, AJAMAIYE WAS NEVER THE STRONGEST BUT FAMILY TIES OF SAME ORIKI. LITTLE DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A PATTERN IN OUR FAMILY TO ALWAYS MERGED TOGETHER FOR EASY COORDINATION. SO, IN YOUR WILDEST DREAM, ALL THE DESCENDANTS OF ODO WHO AREN'T PART OF THE RULING HOUSES AREN'T PRINCES AND PRINCESSES AGAIN? YOU ARE A FUNNY HUMAN BEING.....I AM DAMN SERIOUS, YOU ARE FUNNY..


Lastly, LUUSI'S CARRIED THIS ORIKI WHEN HE LEFT ILE IFE....

OMO OKE RILE A LAGADA OGUN.......WHY DID OMO OKE APPEARED ALSO IN OONI'S ORIKI BEFORE IT GOT TO GEESI?

KARE O O BA MI. AYE O O...... WHY IS IT ONLY OONI LINEAGE USES KAARE O OBA ? SAME THING AS LUUSI...

POINT ONE YORUBA KINGDOM THAT USES SAME ORIKI AS OONI APART FROM OMO ODO( ODUA DESCENDANTS)?



IF MY LINEAGE ISN'T IMPORTANT WHY WILL HE BE PRAISED? OONI RIA? MEANS : I KNOW YOU... MY BROTHER

SWALLOW IT. GOD CREATED US INTO THAT FAMILY. WE DIDN'T BEG FOR IT BUT GOD.... SO ENJOY YOURSELF MY DEAR BROTHER... E MI OMO OGUN

Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.

A prince (and a renounced warrior) of Olusi called Ogeh was chosen by the Ifa oracle to be the next Olusi. Prince Ogeh was christen Ajamaye meaning the warrior capturing the invaders alive during inter states wars, the choice of Oba Ogeh Ajamaye was said to have been challenged, not with standing he was traditionally installed and coronated in 1895. Oba Ajamaye returned home as a war machinery in 1893 after the kiriji war. The history also have it that Ajamaye and Koku were war Lords of record of their time. Oba Ajamaye saved Oka kingdom on several occasion from the hands of Ipatas whom he captured alive in 1901 September; As a judge and king over sifa communities of Oka kingdom, (he believed so much in justice) he presided over the native court of sifas. In 1901, a day before he captured the Ipatas (foreign invaders) he said inter alia while addressing the community armies that: … whether we bring our
enemies (the ipatas) who
have been invading our
farm lands and assaulting
our women … to justice
or bring justice to those
enemies… what I know,
with the ancestors of our
land with us, justice will be
done before the next market
day … And their leaders
shall be sacrificed to
our gods accordingly.

http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

A prince and warrior named Ajamaiye was later appointed and coronated accordingly in line with the traditions in 1895 as the 7th Olusin in title.

http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti (Degbin's son) sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:

Oba Ajamaye returned home as a war machinery in 1893 after the kiriji war.

http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi' cheesy

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi? cheesy

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

Here is the oriki of lusi:

Omowa mi roye mi
Orun Akoko,
Omo Asakoko yigboyigbo
Omo arogun dade
Omo arote ma beru
Omo amu akuko finfin bore
Omo Owamilere Ehinmabo
Utegbe yen bore
ekesibo yen gungun
Omo okerile alagada ogun
Kare o o Bami, a ye e o!

I see you wanted to twist that to mean Lajoodogun, ole ni iwo man yi.

Omo okerile alagada ogun/omo oke orile oni agada okun - child of oke orile the owner of agada of ogun.

You're a straight up fraudulent person.

Peole can now see through how you came about your Israel & Ife fraud. cheesy

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Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by MetaPhysical: 3:24pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:


That creation story is one of the many ones from Ifa. You do not expect the Araba or the Ooni to tell the white man the actual gist when even many Ife indigenes do not know the actual gist.

You are not sounding credible with responses framed like this.

Ifa teaches truthful rendering of events. Its principles are substantially universal. You are saying Ooni and Araba departed from Ifa principles and weaved a fabulous story to tell the white man and hide the truth of their beliefs from him.

That is ridiculous and at same time scandalous!



The only reason for this attachment to the theory of Oduduwa from the east is because of ahmed baba, muhammed sokoto story of Oyo's migration with them from Middle East which Samuel Johnson in his Oyo-centric origin story of Yoruba inducted Oduduwa into the gist.

If none of the above happened we would not be here speaking of this.

First, let us be perceptive and conscious and not use terms and words liberally.

Middle East is a modern coinage in comparison to the time marker we are discussing. So drop its usage here. There was nothing called Middle East in time of Ahmed Baba or Muhammadu Bello. They spoke of Canaan and East.

In Canaan and in East the people had altars, they had shrines, they had temples.

In Middle East they have churches, synagogues and mosques.

When you write Middle East the perception you create in peoples mind is that of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Particularly of Jihad and conflict.

Do you see the difference and why we need to discuss this topic with as little bias as is possible?



Maybe you forgot what you typed.

Here: There are many principals in the aboriginal Ife, Oduduwa, Obatala, Ogun, and so on.

The placement of the others is not hidden, why is Oduduwa the only one veiled behind a secrecy?

What is the need to cover his origin, why can't people know and visit?


Anyway, I think you are seeing 'foreigner' in the context of modern age of borders and boundaries.

Borders and boundaries is not a modern creation. Human beings have always been territorial and posessive. Demarcation of domains and area of direct influence and power is ancient.

There are two words to describe a person not native to the land - a stranger; a foreigner.

Stranger is one who looks like the rest but is not known in the area or in the land. A stranger is never said to come from a foreign land.

Foreigner is one who does not look like the rest and is unknown in the land. He comes from a foreign land.

Study the Ife Heads and you see the depiction of the Oonis contain features of foreigners.

I hope you don't return with a response dismissing it as a deception to hide true representation of Ooni's origin.


I will give response to the rest later.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 3:40pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:


Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:

Oba Ajamaye returned home as a war machinery in 1893 after the kiriji war.

http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes' cheesy

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi? cheesy

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

YOU ARE INDEED ON YOUR OWN------- YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL. NO WONDER THERE ARE HALF BAKED EDUCATED PERSONALITIES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE AND TWISTING OF HISTORY IN YORUBA LAND..... YOU REALLY NEED TO GO TO YORUBA HISTORY SCHOOL FOR TUTELAGE. IF OLU WAS WARRIOR'S NAME THEN “OWA " IS A SLAVE NAME, RIGHT? KINGMAKER..... SORRY FOR YOUR LIFE. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE KINGMAKER'S LINEAGE . WHAT link did you give? I NEED NOT EVEN CONTINUE WITH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS BEFORE PEOPLE BOTH AT ILE IFE , READERS AND WHERE OMO ODO SETTLED BUT I WILL DISAPPOINT YOU WHEN I REVEAL HIS DIRECT BIOLOGICAL FATHER......WAIT A BIT . I KAN KAN LA MA N YO ÉSÉ NI SO KOTO. ..SORRY FOR YOU ONCE AGAIN .... KINGMAKER , OLU IS A WARRIOR'S AND NOT KNOWN AS“LORD" AGAIN? ....AJAMAIYE IS A NAME OF HUNTER . YET VERY FEW PEOPLE BORE THAT NAME “AJA" IN THE HISTORY OF YORUBA LAND. AND YOU CLAIMED THAT YOU ARE AN IFA PRIEST? YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO MY GENERATIONAL RELIGION. HOW CAN YOU EVEN HAVE IFA KNOWLEDGE ? SO, NAMES ARE JUST GIVEN TO ALL AND SUNDRY. WHERE IS THE LINEAGE NAME IN YORUBA LAND? AND AJAMAIYE WAS SO POWERFUL THAT HIS FATHER'S NAME WAS USED TO RECOGNISED HIM? EHN? HE WAS SO POPULAR THAT OONI WILL PRAISE A SERVANT WARRIOR TO EQUATE HIM TO HIMSELF IN THE LAND OF ILE IFE? YOU SHOULD REMOVE THAT OGUN FROM ORIKI OONI TOO, AND REMOVE OMO OKE FROM IT. SO THAT IT WILL APPEAR ONLY IN LUUSI'S NAME . YOU SHOULD REMOVE OMO LAADE FROM ORIKI OONI BECAUSE OMO AROGUN DADE IS LUUSI OWN? YOU SHOULD REMOVE AFI IDI POTE MO LE FROM. OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE A ROTÈ MÀ BEÈRU IS LUUSI'S ORIKI.... YOU SHOULD REMOVE KAARE O'BA FROM OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE KAARE O BA MI IS LUUSI ORIKI .THIS KINGMAKER, IF TRULY I AM LYING, WE SHALL SEE. , BUT THEN, IT IS A GREAT PRIVILEGE FOR OONI TO RECOGNISE MY OWN LINEAGE OWA LUUSI OMO OGUN WHO WAS A HUNTER AND HAD A TWO ROYAL BEADS AND A PRINCE'S TIGER'S SKIN APPAREL AS WELL AS A SWORD THAT THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION OF CROWN THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED YEARS(500 YEARS)....WITH DUE RESPECT TO AGBOGUNGORO, IS THE NAME OF THIS OUTSTANDING COMMANDER( OGEDENGBE) WITH DEXTERITY OF EKITI PARAPO IN OONI'S ORIKI? OR OWA OBOKUN'S LINEAGE? , SO WRONG KINGMAKER, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG, YOU ARE NOTHING A HISTORY DISTORTING BEING WITH LOW ESTEEM....
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 4:25pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:


Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti (Degbin's son) sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:



http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi' cheesy

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi? cheesy

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

Here is the oriki of lusi:



I see you wanted to twist that to mean Lajoodogun, ole ni iwo man yi.

Omo okerile alagada ogun/omo oke orile oni agada okun - child of oke orile the owner of agada of ogun.

You're a straight up fraudulent person.

Peole can now see through how you came about your Israel & Ife fraud. cheesy
..... AJAMAIYE WAS NOT A KING. IN THE first PLACE, THEY LIVED As leaders. ILE IFE communal living is how they do it
.....FALLING OF HANDS..... WHILE SOJOURNING ,LANGUAGE CHANGES SLIGHTLY, SO YOU DON'T KNOW?.... A LAGADA OGUN WAS CORRUPTION OF LAJOODOGUN... ASK PHILOLOGIST..... are you a PHD Intern at all? , ASK PHILOLOGIST..... OMO OKE RI LE AND OMO OKE.... ASK PHILOLOGIST AGAIN. THEN YOU NEED TO FINALLY, GO AND ASK CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA HISTORY AT ILE IFE Since you are looking for online information that just mention him briefly. It showed you have no pedigree for being studious. What king? Fabunmi indeed! Where you mentioned, there is a separation of Odo descendants from the rest.... liars with excellence.... you will always be a king maker....I will not even refer anything because you don't have any information at all but uses online.... An information that is well grounded on the history of the place doesn't exist online, so bite your finger bitterly ..... NOW, YOU SEE YOURSELF LAZY PHD Intern, what do you think they call elders? You are just not studious enough.......... YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.......KINGMAKER I AM SORRY FOR YOU.... LAUGHING AT YOU SERIOUSLY. HONESTLY ,CAN FABUNMI SEND OWALUSI SON'S MESSAGE? I AM LAUGHING SERIOUSLY AT HOW DISAPPOINTINGLY I AM READING YOUR ASSUMPTION. LASTLY THEORIES OF MIGRATION IS WHAT MANY HAD PROPOUNDED ABOUT ODUA WHICH WAS TRUE, WAS ODUA A BLACK MAN? GO AND READ JAARE AND STOP BEING LAZY.... ORO NA DUN O FE KÈ.... SORRY SONNY ,NO HARD FEELING,IT IS A LINEAGE THING. MAY BE ONE DAY YOU MAY BECOME A ODUA'S LINEAGE IN THE NEXT WORLD., YOU KNOW? AND NOT AMUGBA LÈGBÈ
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 4:28pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
YOU ARE INDEED ON YOUR OWN------- YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL. NO WONDER THERE ARE HALF BAKED EDUCATED PERSONALITIES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE AND TWISTING OF HISTORY IN YORUBA LAND..... YOU REALLY NEED TO GO TO YORUBA HISTORY SCHOOL FOR TUTELAGE. IF OLU WAS WARRIOR'S NAME THEN “OWA " IS A SLAVE NAME, RIGHT?

Owa is also a title for a chief or king.

What are you on about exactly? Owalusi abi? grin


KINGMAKER..... SORRY FOR YOUR LIFE. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE KINGMAKER'S LINEAGE . WHAT link did you give? I NEED NOT EVEN CONTINUE WITH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS BEFORE PEOPLE BOTH AT ILE IFE , READERS AND WHERE OMO ODO SETTLED BUT I WILL DISAPPOINT YOU WHEN I REVEAL HIS DIRECT BIOLOGICAL FATHER......WAIT A BIT . I KAN KAN LA MA N YO ÉSÉ NI SO KOTO. ..SORRY FOR YOU ONCE AGAIN .... KINGMAKER , OLU IS A WARRIOR'S AND NOT KNOWN AS“LORD" AGAIN? ....AJAMAIYE IS A NAME OF HUNTER . YET VERY FEW PEOPLE BORE THAT NAME “AJA" IN THE HISTORY OF YORUBA LAND. AND YOU CLAIMED THAT YOU ARE AN IFA PRIEST? YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO MY GENERATIONAL RELIGION. HOW CAN YOU EVEN HAVE IFA KNOWLEDGE ?

Yncle sit down, you're talking glib jarez


SO, NAMES ARE JUST GIVEN TO ALL AND SUNDRY. WHERE IS THE LINEAGE NAME IN YORUBA LAND? AND AJAMAIYE WAS SO POWERFUL THAT HIS FATHER'S NAME WAS USED TO RECOGNISED HIM? EHN? HE WAS SO POPULAR THAT OONI WILL PRAISE A SERVANT WARRIOR TO EQUATE HIM TO HIMSELF IN THE LAND OF ILE IFE? YOU SHOULD REMOVE THAT OGUN FROM ORIKI OONI TOO, AND REMOVE OMO OKE FROM IT. SO THAT IT WILL APPEAR ONLY IN LUUSI'S NAME . YOU SHOULD REMOVE OMO LAADE FROM ORIKI OONI BECAUSE OMO AROGUN DADE IS LUUSI OWN? YOU SHOULD REMOVE AFI IDI POTE MO LE FROM. OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE A ROTÈ MÀ BEÈRU IS LUUSI'S ORIKI.... YOU SHOULD REMOVE KAARE O'BA FROM OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE KAARE O BA MI IS LUUSI ORIKI .THIS KINGMAKER, IF TRULY I AM LYING, WE SHALL SEE. , BUT THEN, IT IS A GREAT PRIVILEGE FOR OONI TO RECOGNISE MY OWN LINEAGE OWA LUUSI OMO OGUN WHO WAS A HUNTER AND HAD A TWO ROYAL BEADS AND A PRINCE'S TIGER'S SKIN APPAREL AS WELL AS A SWORD THAT THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION OF CROWN THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED YEARS(500 YEARS)....WITH DUE RESPECT TO AGBOGUNGORO, IS THE NAME OF THIS OUTSTANDING COMMANDER( OGEDENGBE) WITH DEXTERITY OF EKITI PARAPO IN OONI'S ORIKI? OR OWA OBOKUN'S LINEAGE? , SO WRONG KINGMAKER, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG, YOU ARE NOTHING A HISTORY DISTORTING BEING WITH LOW ESTEEM....

But, the same Oonis did not mention your crown in the list of Yoruba crowns in 1903. grin

You are only using your Ife-Canaan methodology on the Lusi & Giesi talk.

Go and sit down you do not even understand your own history not to talk of oriki of another place.

Rather than names, ancestral names are used to refer to individuals in Orikis, it does not in anyway mean Giesi equated themselves with the chief from Oka.

Did Ogedengbe, Fabunmi, Ogunsigun come to Ife? You do not know or understand history yet you want to keep engaging people. Mr. Ogeh with the nickname Ajamaye was in Ife to assist in the fight.

You are not making any sense abeg.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 4:36pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
..... AJAMAIYE WAS NOT A KING. IN THE first PLACE, THEY LIVED As leaders. ILE IFE communal living is how they do it

Ajamaye was just one person in the 19th century!


.....FALLING OF HANDS..... WHILE SOJOURNING ,LANGUAGE CHANGES SLIGHTLY, SO YOU DON'T KNOW?.... A LAGADA OGUN WAS CORRUPTION OF LAJOODOGUN... ASK PHILOLOGIST..... are you a PHD Intern at all? , ASK PHILOLOGIST..... OMO OKE RI LE AND OMO OKE.... ASK PHILOLOGIST AGAIN. THEN YOU NEED TO FINALLY, GO AND ASK CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA HISTORY AT ILE IFE

Looool fam, you are trying too hard.

People from Iragbiji are hailed as 'omo oloke meji...' does that connect them to Luusi too or Ife?

You are only exposing how baseless your thoughts on canaan migration is.


Since you are looking for online information that just mention him briefly. It showed you have no pedigree for being studious. What king? Fabunmi indeed! Where you mentioned, there is a separation of Odo descendants from the rest.... liars with excellence.... you will always be a king maker....I will not even refer anything because you don't have any information at all but uses online.... An information that is well grounded on the history of the place doesn't exist online, so bite your finger bitterly ..... NOW, YOU SEE YOURSELF LAZY PHD Intern, what do you think they call elders? You are just not studious enough.......... YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.......KINGMAKER I AM SORRY FOR YOU.... LAUGHING AT YOU SERIOUSLY. HONESTLY ,CAN FABUNMI SEND OWALUSI SON'S MESSAGE? I AM LAUGHING SERIOUSLY AT HOW DISAPPOINTINGLY I AM READING YOUR ASSUMPTION. LASTLY THEORIES OF MIGRATION IS WHAT MANY HAD PROPOUNDED ABOUT ODUA WHICH WAS TRUE, WAS ODUA A BLACK MAN? GO AND READ JAARE AND STOP BEING LAZY.... ORO NA DUN O FE KÈ.... SORRY SONNY ,NO HARD FEELING,IT IS A LINEAGE THING. MAY BE ONE DAY YOU MAY BECOME A ODUA'S LINEAGE IN THE NEXT WORLD., YOU KNOW? AND NOT AMUGBA LÈGBÈ

Looool Fabunmi cannot send Owaluusi on errands but Owalusi is an ordinary chief under Olubaka.

PhD is not about conjectural craps but thesis drawn from verifiable research from different sources. You do not and should not expect anyone to swallow your opinion hook line & sinker.

If anything I've said about me comes off doubtful to you, dig up references for better data. Simple.

Son of a Chief under Olubaka whose only claim to fame is one line in Agbedegbede Oriki grin
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 4:49pm On Mar 09, 2017
MetaPhysical:


You are not sounding credible with responses framed like this.

Ifa teaches truthful rendering of events. Its principles are substantially universal. You are saying Ooni and Araba departed from Ifa principles and weaved a fabulous story to tell the white man and hide the truth of their beliefs from him.

That is ridiculous and at same time scandalous!

I am old and exposed to Ifa enough to know it has several faces to it and it depends on the individual to empoy his knowledge when applying what verse to whatever situation.

In Ifa mythology it says Ogun made Ade Are for Oduduwa and it is the reason Oonis wear Ade Are to greet Ogun on Olojo. In actual life, it is the business of the Isoro to take care of the Ade Are, they are the ones who know the materials it is made of and it requires for maintenance. In fact, the Osogun has no business with the Ade Are at all.

Now, would I pick what ifa says or what the actual history is in Ife?

What Araba narrated was one of the creation stories in Ifa, QED.

You can infer whatever you want, I am done with that.




First, let us be perceptive and conscious and not use terms and words liberally.

Middle East is a modern coinage in comparison to the time marker we are discussing. So drop its usage here. There was nothing called Middle East in time of Ahmed Baba or Muhammadu Bello. They spoke of Canaan and East.

In Canaan and in East the people had altars, they had shrines, they had temples.

In Middle East they have churches, synagogues and mosques.

When you write Middle East the perception you create in peoples mind is that of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Particularly of Jihad and conflict.

Do you see the difference and why we need to discuss this topic with as little bias as is possible?

I guess calling Igodomigodo Bini takes away the fact that they are the same place with the same historical names and places.



Borders and boundaries is not a modern creation. Human beings have always been territorial and posessive. Demarcation of domains and area of direct influence and power is ancient.

There are two words to describe a person not native to the land - a stranger; a foreigner.

Stranger is one who looks like the rest but is not known in the area or in the land. A stranger is never said to come from a foreign land.

Foreigner is one who does not look like the rest and is unknown in the land. He comes from a foreign land.

Looool.

No one called Oduduwa a foreigner or a stranger, except you.

You are purposely painting a situation to support your notion of Oduduwa compulsorily coming from Middle East, Canaan, Mecca.

Enjoy every bit of it.

I have said what holds amongst the communities in Ife which researchers verified from excavations, I leave you to your assumtptions sir.

Study the Ife Heads and you see the depiction of the Oonis contain features of foreigners.

I hope you don't return with a response dismissing it as a deception to hide true representation of Ooni's origin.


I will give response to the rest later.

LOOOL

Your mind is already tilted toqards a conclusion, it is only right for your eyes to see what your mind wants it to see.

I do not even have the time and strength to subject my mind to conjectures and imaginavtive fanatasies of anyone when archeologists and historians (local and foreign) have deciphered most of what the forefathers shroud in secrecy.

I beg to be let off this exchange with you sir, thank you.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 5:33pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:


Ajamaye was just one person in the 19th century!




Looool fam, you are trying too hard.

People from Iragbiji are hailed as 'omo oloke meji...' does that connect them to Luusi too or Ife?

You are only exposing how baseless your thoughts on canaan migration is.




Looool Fabunmi cannot send Owaluusi on errands but Owalusi is an ordinary chief under Olubaka.

PhD is not about conjectural craps but thesis drawn from verifiable research from different sources. You do not and should not expect anyone to swallow your opinion hook line & sinker.

If anything I've said about me comes off doubtful to you, dig up references for better data. Simple.

Son of a Chief under Olubaka whose only claim to fame is one line in Agbedegbede Oriki grin

OLUBAKA WAS CREATION OF BRITISH EMPIRE . HE WAS THE LEAST KNOWN IN THE HISTORY OF OKA LAND. BUT THEY COULDN'T FIGHT HIM BECAUSE OF BLOOD RELATIONSHIP. GO AND READ OLUBAKA ORIKI. YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WE DON'T BLOW TRUMPETS BUT OUR PEDIGREE SPEAKS FOR US... . IN FACT WE ARRIVED LATE THERE AND WE WERE WELCOMED .. OLODO..... OLUBAKA CAN'T NEVER USE “ KAARE O BA MI" AS HIS ORIKI BECAUSE HE IS OLALOMI'S PRINCE'S DESCENDANTS



KINGMAKER read why there is change in dialect. We lived there but ILE IFE is place we had always towards because of PRINCE OWALUSI....
YOU WILL RUN FROM THIS SITE.... BRING OUT YOUR PITIFUL ORIKI AND COMPARE . A DEFEATED CLAN. SORRY INTERN PHD. I CAN'T FIND YOUR LINEAGE'S NAME IN OONI'S EVEN OLUBAKA KO LÉ TE RI SI DESPITE BEING ODUA DESCENDANTS . OLUBAKA IS RELATED VIA MATRILINEAL..... ....


CHANGES IN ACCENTS VIA MIGRATION -----


A typical Owalusi native may like to say in Yoruba Language:
i. //wo eerin e // instead of:
//wo aarin e //
meaning, look at the centre/middle
ii. // E ra ala // instead of:
// E ra ila //
meaning, come and buy okro or okros are for sale etc.
the lexical errors above are as a result of the fact that the speaker (native) believes that aarin, ila, obinriin, ito etc are Owalusi dialectical lexis and cannot be probably be that of the correct or standard Yoruba Language, whereas they are correct Yoruba words.
Owalusi dialect as a type that believes in respect for the Elders, her native speakers tend to import its ideas into the Yoruba Language for example:
O da bo (Standard Yoruba)
Goodbye
E dab o (Owalusi native speaker) etc.


Lazy fella continue making mockery of yourself..... You don't know nadah about Yoruba history...
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 7:22pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:


OLUBAKA WAS CREATION OF BRITISH EMPIRE . HE WAS THE LEAST KNOWN IN THE HISTORY OF OKA LAND. BUT THEY COULDN'T FIGHT HIM BECAUSE OF BLOOD RELATIONSHIP. GO AND READ OLUBAKA ORIKI. YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WE DON'T BLOW TRUMPETS BUT OUR PEDIGREE SPEAKS FOR US... . IN FACT WE ARRIVED LATE THERE AND WE WERE WELCOMED .. OLODO..... OLUBAKA CAN'T NEVER USE “ KAARE O BA MI" AS HIS ORIKI BECAUSE HE IS OLALOMI'S PRINCE'S DESCENDANTS



KINGMAKER read why there is change in dialect. We lived there but ILE IFE is place we had always towards because of PRINCE OWALUSI....
YOU WILL RUN FROM THIS SITE.... BRING OUT YOUR PITIFUL ORIKI AND COMPARE . A DEFEATED CLAN. SORRY INTERN PHD. I CAN'T FIND YOUR LINEAGE'S NAME IN OONI'S EVEN OLUBAKA KO LÉ TE RI SI DESPITE BEING ODUA DESCENDANTS . OLUBAKA IS RELATED VIA MATRILINEAL..... ....


CHANGES IN ACCENTS VIA MIGRATION -----


A typical Owalusi native may like to say in Yoruba Language:
i. //wo eerin e // instead of:
//wo aarin e //
meaning, look at the centre/middle
ii. // E ra ala // instead of:
// E ra ila //
meaning, come and buy okro or okros are for sale etc.
the lexical errors above are as a result of the fact that the speaker (native) believes that aarin, ila, obinriin, ito etc are Owalusi dialectical lexis and cannot be probably be that of the correct or standard Yoruba Language, whereas they are correct Yoruba words.
Owalusi dialect as a type that believes in respect for the Elders, her native speakers tend to import its ideas into the Yoruba Language for example:
O da bo (Standard Yoruba)
Goodbye
E dab o (Owalusi native speaker) etc.


Lazy fella continue making mockery of yourself..... You don't know nadah about Yoruba history...




Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince grin

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.

Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 7:54pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:



Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince grin

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.
Hehehehe.... laughing at your ignorance... Go and study. I need not engage you on this..... All books written about the place is well documented......let us even agree Olubaka usurp the leadership because of booth looking.... No problem! Does he use the ORIKI AS MENTIONED? YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS A FISHERMEN WHO WANTS TO CATCH A FISH WITH A HOOK WITH NO BAIT.... YOU REMAINED A KINGMAKER RIGHT? AND MY LINEAGE REMAINS PRINCELY.. BRING OUT ONE NAME OF YOUR PATRILINEAL THAT'S PERMANENT IN THE HOUSE OF THE CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA LAND... YOU OPINED, IT WAS A LIE A ABOUT LINEAGE CONNECTION, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND BRING OUT YOUR PATRILINEAL AND FLAW MY OPINION. PLEASE DON'T BRING IN FATHER'S IS CONNECTED BLAAAAAL THEORY. JUST SHOW IT IF NOT JUST A KINGMAKER'S PANEGYRIC........ I CAN'T STOP MOCKING YOU... I WAITING FOR ALL OTHER YORUBA LAND OBAS TO BRING IN A HUNTER'S LINEAGE TO A ROYAL NAME... LAZY LAD WITH NO RESPECT FOR A PRINCE.... EAT THE TRUTH AND REMAIN AS YOU ARE... PRINCE LUUSI'S BLOOD LINEAGE AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL... A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YORUBA HISTORY AND A LIE PEDDLER WITH NO GRADE
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 8:09pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:



Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince grin

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.
Gazzete created by who? Yoruba revisionist you tried.... Sorry to disappoint you! Yoruba history don't follow Nigeria constitutions. Beside, Luusi is a sub settlers in that part as they are addicted to their homeland.......Olubaka sha? That's not a problem......I have asked you simple question, show your direct patrilineal panegyric in connection to OONI. At least, any? Not Odua descendants can be king, but princes and princesses are known..... I AM A PROUD ONE WITH HUMILITY.. BUT YOU HAVE NO RECORD... KEEP DIGGING NONSENSICAL GAZETTE THAT HOLDS NOTHING... IN THAT GAZETTE, YOU MISSED ONE THING, DO YOU KNOW? ALAAFIN OYO IS WRITTEN AS THE FIRST KING OF YORUBA LAND, ISN'T IT SO? BUT YORUBA KNOW THE SPIRITUAL HOME WHERE WE CAME OUT. THE BEADS, THE TWO CROWNS AND THE ROYAL SWORD etc TESTIFY TO THE CLAIM. LUUSI DAY IS ALWAYS BEING CELEBRATED.. YOU MAY TRY TO VISIT AND LEARN. THEN YOU CAN WITNESS THE POWER IMBEDDED IN THE SWORD......KING MAKER I SALUTE YOU.....
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 8:18pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:



Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince grin

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.
I hear you. First prince born of who Chief? Define Chief in a Yoruba way.... And see at your disconnect to understanding simple English . A son of a Chief whose great great grandfather was acknowledged after he had died since 16thCENTURY.........Eeeh oooooo. OMO OKE RI ILE. A LAGADA - OGUN.... ( EMI OMO LUUSI OMO OGUN).
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 8:23pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
Hehehehe.... laughing at your ignorance... Go and study. I need not engage you on this..... All books written about the place is well documented......let us even agree Olubaka usurp the leadership because of booth looking.... No problem! Does he use the ORIKI AS MENTIONED? YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS A FISHERMEN WHO WANTS TO CATCH A FISH WITH A HOOK WITH NO BAIT.... YOU REMAINED A KINGMAKER RIGHT? AND MY LINEAGE REMAINS PRINCELY.. BRING OUT ONE NAME OF YOUR PATRILINEAL THAT'S PERMANENT IN THE HOUSE OF THE CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA LAND... YOU OPINED, IT WAS A LIE A ABOUT LINEAGE CONNECTION, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND BRING OUT YOUR PATRILINEAL AND FLAW MY OPINION. PLEASE DON'T BRING IN FATHER'S IS CONNECTED BLAAAAAL THEORY. JUST SHOW IT IF NOT JUST A KINGMAKER'S PANEGYRIC........ I CAN'T STOP MOCKING YOU... I WAITING FOR ALL OTHER YORUBA LAND OBAS TO BRING IN A HUNTER'S LINEAGE TO A ROYAL NAME... LAZY LAD WITH NO RESPECT FOR A PRINCE.... EAT THE TRUTH AND REMAIN AS YOU ARE... PRINCE LUUSI'S BLOOD LINEAGE AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL... A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YORUBA HISTORY AND A LIE PEDDLER WITH NO GRADE


Go to Giesi house and make noise that you are their relatively and see how you'd be bundledto Ife general hospital mental department cheesy

Since you asked, my maternal line is of Okiti Royal house ag Igbodo and my Grandma's paternal line is of Giesi Agbedegbede II at Okerewe.

My paternal Grandma is from Orunto compound.

Your panegyric does not even come close to that of Ogunsuwa of Modakeke.

Go and sit down, the son of Mr. Ajamaye ordinary war mercenary.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 8:31pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
I hear you. First prince born of who Chief? Define Chief in a Yoruba way.... And see at your disconnect to understanding simple English . A son of a Chief whose great great grandfather was acknowledged after he had died since 16thCENTURY.........Eeeh oooooo. OMO OKE RI ILE. A LAGADA - OGUN.... ( EMI OMO LUUSI OMO OGUN).


Loooooooooooool grin

Now I know this is Musiwa the emperor of Yoruba land. grin

Look up Obalesun & look up ideta then compare it to your small town in Oka under Olubaka cheesy

The son of a war mercenary whose claim to fame is just a one liner in a panegyric of Giesi. cheesy

Omo Chief, o da bo ooo. cheesy
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 10:23pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:



Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince grin

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.
ehh ooh.. all these qualification for me? smiling all the way at your perpetual ignorance with no quantification. LUUSI DIED 16th century ...OWALUSIN ESTABLISHED Himself even at EKITI.. TELL ME YOUR STORY.... YOU CAN STILL GO AND VISIT HIS STREAM CALLED OMIALADE (KING'S STREAM) .TO SEE HIS ACHIEVEMENT. IF YOU PRAISE OR RECITING HIS PANEGYRIC, A CROWN LIKE OBJECT SHOWS ON THE STREAM APPEARS EVEN UP TILL DATE . THAT WAS MY OWN FATHER WHO HAD IFA PRIEST AND OGUN PRIEST. TELL ME YOUR OWN STORY ,DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AWESOME SON OF ODUA CALLED LUUSI ? BABY, YOU DON'T HAVE HISTORY.... ONLY KING PRINCE HAVE IFA PRIEST AND OGUN PRIEST UNDER HIS CARE.. NONSENSE. YOU HAVE NO HISTORY. ALL ODUA CHILDREN ARE BORN WARRIORS..... YOU HAVE NO HISTORY TO CONNECT YOU TO MY PATRILINEAL LINEAGE OF ILE IFE... EMURE EKITI STILL HAVE HIS ACCOUNT... USI EKITI STILL HAVE LUUSI'S ACCOUNT... WHAT IS YOUR FAMILY LINEAGE'S STORY? YOU DON'T HAVE AT ALL.... STILL LAUGHING at Your ignorance... “OLU" MEAN WARRIOR ? YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND YORUBA LANGUAGE. JUST LUMPING ALL TOGETHER. OLU IS KING OR LORD OVER HIS SUBJECTS (COUNTRY CITIZENS) .DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING NOW? UNLETTERED INTERN PHD.. HAHAHAHA..... YOU HAVE NO STORY. ALL I HAVE MENTIONED STILL EXIST WITH A ORAL ACCOUNT AND THE STREAM.. YOU CAN SEE HOW DISGRACEFUL YOU ARE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR...
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by MetaPhysical: 10:26pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:

Oduduwa is only said to be a foreigner because his own community during the period of the autonomous 13 hamlets was not in the valley that make up the confederacy but ontop of the hill. Where he came from is where all Oonis go to during the beginning of coronation procession which is a re-enactment of where Oduduwa came from, wars he fought, places/compounds he visisted and what he did there and the role of those whole switched to his side.

An analogy: You have your family compound with lines that are recognized but someone who lives in the same community as you, say opposite your compound, comes to disrupt the arrangement of your compound. To you and everyone, he is a foreigner/outsider.

If he was a foreigner from entirely different lands then how was he able to convince notable figures who were under Obatala to switch to his side? In what language did they communicate Arabic, Canaanite, Aramaic, Yoruba? How come no traces of Arab, Israel, Egypt phenomenon are found in the palace, the throne or coronation?

Keep in mind Oranmiyan in the mid centuries when Ife had opened up more and received migrants and sent of emigrants, went off to Bini but left because of language problems. How much more when Ife was still an enclosure and these communities were mostly unknown to each other not to talk if the Arab world?

1 - You said in a previous post (and I'm recalling your own statement)..... that the place Oduduwa SETTLED INTO is where they don't want people to know and visit because it is sacred and the grounds is used for coronation. So it appears the ground became sacred on account of who Oduduwa was. When a person settles a place it means they migrated from elsewhere.

Where did Oduduwa migrate, or come, from? If you don't know please just say so.


2 - The foreign Portuguese that came to the coast of Bini and Eko (and gave it the name Lagos), how did they converse with the locals? The British (foreigners) that came behind them and penetrated inland, how did they converse with the locals? Did the Portuguese fight war with Bini or Eko, did Britain fight war with every ethnic group before corraling us into a Nigerian sovereign under their flag?

If it was possible for Portuguese to establish trade relations, and for England to colonize without war, why would it not be possible for Oduduwa?


3 - Oranmiyan did not leave because of language barrier. Yoruba was the court language in Bini palace for centuries. This is established and documented as history.

If you don't have knowledge of a event just maintain silence or admit you don't know. Embellishing it does not help us here. We need truthful accounts and knowledge sharing, not spins.



Oduduwa was born in a part now part of the present day Ife, at least, Oke Ora when excavated, artifacts dating to many centuries back were found and it revealed it as a place being properly occupied with a proper communal system.

You have been very explicit and precise in naming different wards and communities and compounds of Ife and you have done it in such a impressive manner that I now know Ife more than ever I did before. I will not accept you slipping Oduduwa's birthplace into a melt you call "part of", you need to come up with a name and precise compound. If he was so grandeur a person that his settlement became sacred ground....can you imagine what his birthplace would be and the reverence that will go with it?

C'mon, you can do better than this! Name his birthplace.



Sovereign power? Well, it is to be noted that Oduduwa after winning the civil war had no crown except from the one made from leaves from a particular tree on Oke Ora. He relied heavily on military, spies planted as chiefs (Otun Ife) to hold his place. Most of the hamlets regarded (and still do) their clan kings as sovereign. Oduduwa was always shut away in the palace and managed to secure spaces for the hill settlers in the valley.

Speaking of sovereign, Ife was split in two with two kings. Oduduwa and Obatala for the most part till Oduduwa's army forced Obatala to fall under his authority, something that did not work but in turn made Oduduwa submit to Obatala's position as the head. Oduduwa relied on Obatala for his authority in Ife & every Ooni does.

It appears to me that the clans kings already exhibited sovereign power before Oduduwa.


1 - what tree was that, give name or specie of this tree.

2 - In every society and civilization where a foreign sovereign conquer the native, there is always two authorities. The conqueror is the absolute sovereign power, the land belongs to the native. In the sharing of power the land barons uphold the King's throne, in exchange for the providence that sovereingty brings in.

Name one civilized society with a hereditary sovereingty that is an aberration to this dual balance in power.

No one disputes the Ife natives had clans and headships....but they had no sovereign power.

Here again to refresh your memory....there are three significant trademarks of the Yoruba race and they are as follows:

1 - Sovereingty
2 - Sacred Art
3 - Worship and Spirituality

Ife gained this as result of the foreign Oduduwa that migrated from another land and settled amongst them. Those migrants are the real Yorubas. Your natives in Ife pre Oduduwa were Ugbo and other aborigines.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 10:39pm On Mar 09, 2017
IranjeIdita:



Go to Giesi house and make noise that you are their relatively and see how you'd be bundledto Ife general hospital mental department cheesy

Since you asked, my maternal line is of Okiti Royal house ag Igbodo and my Grandma's paternal line is of Giesi Agbedegbede II at Okerewe.

My paternal Grandma is from Orunto compound.

Your panegyric does not even come close to that of Ogunsuwa of Modakeke.

Go and sit down, the son of Mr. Ajamaye ordinary war mercenary.
PAIN YOU AND IT WILL PAIN YOU... I DON'T NEED GO TO CLAIM ATTACHE BECAUSE I AM ALREADY RECOGNISED.... HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? MY ORIKI IS ALREADY IN OONI'S ORIKI... AND THAT ALONE SHOWED I AM MORE SUPERIOR THAN YOU......LAZY FELLA ...THE PLACE I MENTIONED OUT OF MANY PLACES LUUSI ESTABLISHED.. OMIALADE... BELONGED TO LUUSI....... SEE YOUR LIFE....WHAT DOES ADE CONNOTE IN 16th century? AM MOCKING YOU.... SERIOUSLY I AM MOCKING YOU....... THIS UNKNOWN PERSONALITY THAT CAN'T EVEN BE STUDIOUS ENOUGH BUT CLAIMING A MEMBER OF ASSOCIATION THAT'S LIKE SACHET WATER ONE DRINKS FOR MANY YORUBAS.. WE BEAR ADE in our NAMES IN MY LINEAGE.. NOT ADEWUNMI BUT CONFIRM “ADE" NAMES. à bientôt ....
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 11:20pm On Mar 09, 2017
Olu317:
PAIN YOU AND IT WILL PAIN YOU... I DON'T NEED GO TO CLAIM ATTACHE BECAUSE I AM ALREADY RECOGNISED.... HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? MY ORIKI IS ALREADY IN OONI'S ORIKI... AND THAT ALONE SHOWED I AM MORE SUPERIOR THAN YOU......LAZY FELLA ...THE PLACE I MENTIONED OUT OF MANY PLACES LUUSI ESTABLISHED.. OMIALADE... BELONGED TO LUUSI....... SEE YOUR LIFE....WHAT DOES ADE CONNOTE IN 16th century? AM MOCKING YOU.... SERIOUSLY I AM MOCKING YOU....... THIS UNKNOWN PERSONALITY THAT CAN'T EVEN BE STUDIOUS ENOUGH BUT CLAIMING A MEMBER OF ASSOCIATION THAT'S LIKE SACHET WATER ONE DRINKS FOR MANY YORUBAS.. WE BEAR ADE in our NAMES IN MY LINEAGE.. NOT ADEWUNMI BUT CONFIRM “ADE" NAMES. à bientôt ....

Honestly, you offer good comic relief I swear.

You are very petty and you are not very bright with history.

You and Ooni do not have similar Oriki, stop deluding yourself. Not even Adimula of Ife Odan has the same Oriki with Ogboru or Giesi not to speak of a Chief under Olubaka.

Have you looked up Obalesun & Ideta and compared? tongue
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 11:34pm On Mar 09, 2017
MetaPhysical:


1 - You said in a previous post (and I'm recalling your own statement)..... that the place Oduduwa SETTLED INTO is where they don't want people to know and visit because it is sacred and the grounds is used for coronation. So it appears the ground became sacred on account of who Oduduwa was. When a person settles a place it means they migrated from elsewhere.

Where did Oduduwa migrate, or come, from? If you don't know please just say so.


2 - The foreign Portuguese that came to the coast of Bini and Eko (and gave it the name Lagos), how did they converse with the locals? The British (foreigners) that came behind them and penetrated inland, how did they converse with the locals? Did the Portuguese fight war with Bini or Eko, did Britain fight war with every ethnic group before corraling us into a Nigerian sovereign under their flag?

If it was possible for Portuguese to establish trade relations, and for England to colonize without war, why would it not be possible for Oduduwa?


3 - Oranmiyan did not leave because of language barrier. Yoruba was the court language in Bini palace for centuries. This is established and documented as history.

If you don't have knowledge of a event just maintain silence or admit you don't know. Embellishing it does not help us here. We need truthful accounts and knowledge sharing, not spins.





You have been very explicit and precise in naming different wards and communities and compounds of Ife and you have done it in such a impressive manner that I now know Ife more than ever I did before. I will not accept you slipping Oduduwa's birthplace into a melt you call "part of", you need to come up with a name and precise compound. If he was so grandeur a person that his settlement became sacred ground....can you imagine what his birthplace would be and the reverence that will go with it?

C'mon, you can do better than this! Name his birthplace.






1 - what tree was that, give name or specie of this tree.

2 - In every society and civilization where a foreign sovereign conquer the native, there is always two authorities. The conqueror is the absolute sovereign power, the land belongs to the native. In the sharing of power the land barons uphold the King's throne, in exchange for the providence that sovereingty brings in.

Name one civilized society with a hereditary sovereingty that is an aberration to this dual balance in power.

No one disputes the Ife natives had clans and headships....but they had no sovereign power.

Here again to refresh your memory....there are three significant trademarks of the Yoruba race and they are as follows:

1 - Sovereingty
2 - Sacred Art
3 - Worship and Spirituality

Ife gained this as result of the foreign Oduduwa that migrated from another land and settled amongst them. Those migrants are the real Yorubas. Your natives in Ife pre Oduduwa were Ugbo and other aborigines.


-- Oranmiyan left because of linguistic and cultural clashes he did not have patience for -- research that.

--- It is common knowledge that prior to the incursion of the colonialists. Kidnapped or legitimately taken Africans at the tail end of slave trade provided multi-lingual services to the colonialists.

It is also common knowledge that prior to slave trade, few Africans who have been fortunate to travel and come back or partake in slave trade provided multi lingual services to the Europeans.

You should know I would be anticipating question such as this.

Like the Oonis, Oduduwa never had any land in the valley outside the palace or where his fellow hill settlers live at Idio. Oduduwa like the Oonis never had ang real authorities.

There is only so much info I can put out. I have tried on this thread and like every related thread I keep within the limits if what can be stated. Sir, any further diggings on Oduduwa should be pursued via other means such as traveling down to Ife, reading Professor Eluyemi's work on excavations in Oke Ora and look up Obadio Farotimi Faloba, he is the head of Obadio clan and maybe able to help you with more of what you need.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by MetaPhysical: 12:56am On Mar 10, 2017
IranjeIdita:


I am old and exposed to Ifa enough to know it has several faces to it and it depends on the individual to empoy his knowledge when applying what verse to whatever situation.

In Ifa mythology it says Ogun made Ade Are for Oduduwa and it is the reason Oonis wear Ade Are to greet Ogun on Olojo. In actual life, it is the business of the Isoro to take care of the Ade Are, they are the ones who know the materials it is made of and it requires for maintenance. In fact, the Osogun has no business with the Ade Are at all.

Now, would I pick what ifa says or what the actual history is in Ife?

What Araba narrated was one of the creation stories in Ifa, QED.

You can infer whatever you want, I am done with that.






I guess calling Igodomigodo Bini takes away the fact that they are the same place with the same historical names and places.





Looool.

No one called Oduduwa a foreigner or a stranger, except you.

You are purposely painting a situation to support your notion of Oduduwa compulsorily coming from Middle East, Canaan, Mecca.

Enjoy every bit of it.

I have said what holds amongst the communities in Ife which researchers verified from excavations, I leave you to your assumtptions sir.



LOOOL

Your mind is already tilted toqards a conclusion, it is only right for your eyes to see what your mind wants it to see.

I do not even have the time and strength to subject my mind to conjectures and imaginavtive fanatasies of anyone when archeologists and historians (local and foreign) have deciphered most of what the forefathers shroud in secrecy.

I beg to be let off this exchange with you sir, thank you.

You got it. Thanks sir!
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by MetaPhysical: 1:50am On Mar 10, 2017
IranjeIdita:



-- Oranmiyan left because of linguistic and cultural clashes he did not have patience for -- research that.

--- It is common knowledge that prior to the incursion of the colonialists. Kidnapped or legitimately taken Africans at the tail end of slave trade provided multi-lingual services to the colonialists.

It is also common knowledge that prior to slave trade, few Africans who have been fortunate to travel and come back or partake in slave trade provided multi lingual services to the Europeans.

You should know I would be anticipating question such as this.

Portuguese did not use slave returnees to cohabit with the coastal kingdoms. England used returnees to aid missionary work, not invasion and conquest. When Europeans invaded America and overtook the land from Indians, they did not use slave returnees. Many examples exist around the world of a foreign invader taking over a land and a people in the absence of an available common medium of verbal exchange.



Like the Oonis, Oduduwa never had any land in the valley outside the palace or where his fellow hill settlers live at Idio. Oduduwa like the Oonis never had ang real authorities.

We should not expect him to have land. Now, let me share with you the balance of power in all the affairs of humanity involving State rulership under a Monarchy.

Land ownership rests with natives and indigenous peoples of a land. Indigenous people are always the land barons. Anywhere a Monarchy exist, trace the root of that dynasty and you will find they are settlers. In the creation of mankind, the gift of civilization is tied to sovereingty. This is the essence of The Covenant. The covenant is what IFA talks about in the dew that descended at the beginning of creation. There is a followup to that covenant and it happened after the great flood in the time of Noah. No need to take you into the Bible but suffice to say that the Monarchy owns the throne, the crown and the authority. Security and civilization trail sovereingty. This is sacred knowledge and is deep.

In summary, power is balanced between the Throne and the Land.

When Dosunmu ceded Lagos to Britain the Idejo Chiefs (Land Barons) refused to sign the treaty and warned that the land did not belong to his dynasty and therefore had no power to give what did not belong to him to the British. The colonists could relate with their reasoning because they themselves understand the balance between throne and land and they practiced it back home. Therefore they exercised authority as colonial power but never usurped authority on land ownership.

If you go to Bini, same story. The Igodomigodo Chiefs exercise authority over land. If you got Hausaland where Fulani Emirs rule, same thing.....the traditional Hausa title holders are the custodians and owners of land.

So you have not improved or advanced this discussion further by telling me Oduduwa and Oonis never had land, that's the norm and Ife will not be different.


There is only so much info I can put out. I have tried on this thread and like every related thread I keep within the limits if what can be stated. Sir, any further diggings on Oduduwa should be pursued via other means such as traveling down to Ife, reading Professor Eluyemi's work on excavations in Oke Ora and look up Obadio Farotimi Faloba, he is the head of Obadio clan and maybe able to help you with more of what you need.


I thank you sincerely for your inputs and contributions, I have learnt some things in interaction with you but you have left many questions unanswered. We are all learning. God bless you!
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 6:22am On Mar 10, 2017


Honestly, you offer good comic relief I swear.

You are very petty and you are not very bright with history.

You and Ooni do not have similar Oriki, stop deluding yourself. Not even Adimula of Ife Odan has the same Oriki with Ogboru or Giesi not to speak of a Chief under Olubaka.

Have you looked up Obalesun & Ideta and compared? tongue
....Hahahaha..... Who owns KAARE O'BA? I guess OONI... ISN'T IT RIGHT? WHO IS OMO OKE? I guess OONI.... YOU ARE THE ONE INCONSISTENCY WITH HISTORY.... USI EKITI WAS AN OFF SHOOT OF CREATION.... NOW ASK THEM WHO OLUUSI WAS... EMURE HAS RECORD OF THE PRINCE CALLED LUUSI....ASK EMURE EKITI, IKOLE EKITI HAS RECORD OF OWA LUUSI ...ASK THEM......... THE LINEAGE OF HIS PRIEST'S FAMILY IS AGBO FAMILY IN CARE OF LANROYE AND THE OGUN PRIEST IS AFORO FAMILY..... ALL THESE INFORMATION HASN'T EVEN ADDRESS HIS PERSONAL ORIKI.. HAS IT? ..I AM HERE TO MAKE A KING MAKER KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRINCE AND KING MAKER'S SON... I AM EXPOSING HIS EXPLOIT AS A WARRIOR AND PRINCE. TELL ONE SON OF ODUA THAT DIDN'T ENGAGE IN A BATTLE?START FROM AJAGUNLA FAGBAMILA TI ILA TABI OLALOMI AKIN TI OFFA? AFTER ALL, YOU HAD OPINED THAT PRINCES DON'T BEAR AKIN AS WELL AS OLU. SO, SHAMEFUL TO SEE A MAN OF SUCH AGE AS YOURS WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE YORUBA HISTORY... BUT ADORNED HIMSELF WITH ONLY SAMUEL JOHNSON EPIC BOOK THAT MADE NONSENSE OF OONI PERSONAGE AS NOT HAVING A PATRILINEAL LINK TO ODUA, BUT AS A CUSTODIAN OF ODUA SHRINE WHO WAS TERMED AS “OMO OLUWO WO NI". I CAN'T JUST IMAGINE YOUR SHALLOW DEPTH, HONESTLY I CAN'T FATHOM IT. YET A PSEUDO INTELLIGENT INTERN PHD I EXPRESS OF HAVING KNOWLEDGE? ARE YOU NOT A DISAPPOINTMENT TO SCHOLARS? YOU OUTRIGHTLY LACKED SUBSTANCE...I NEED NOT CLAIM AS AN ATTACHEE, KINGMAKER, IT IS A LINEAGE THING. YOU ARE THE ONE INTERESTED IN KNOWING LUUSI HISTORY.. ASK THE PLACES I MENTIONED IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RECORD OF PRINCE FROM ILE IFE.. WHO WAS PRAISED AS KAARE O'BA MI..... A TERM USED FOR OONI THAT HAD SPAN OVER 300 YEARS...... A CHIEF YOU CALL ME? COOL BUT YOU CAN'T BE CALLED A CHIEF IN YORUBA LAND IF YOU ARE NOT FROM A NOBLE FAMILY OR KING'S FAMILY, ISNT IT RIGHT? HOWEVER BRING OUT YOUR OWN FATHER'S PATRILINEAL LINEAGE THAT HAD ONE SIMILAR EXPLOIT OWA LUUSI ? I CHALLENGE YOU TO IT...... I AM CERTAIN YOU DON'T HAVE . I AM GOING TO Show YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ODUA DESCENDANTS AND KINGMAKER LIKE YOU IN PARTICULAR WHO DOESN'T HAVE RESPECT FOR TRADITION.... AT THE RIGHT TIME I will CHURN OUT HIS PERSONAL ORIKI AND COMPARE IT WITH YOURS.... LET ME EVEN SHOCK A PSUEDO PHD INTERN... OLUUSI DIED AROUND 1630s. NOW, YOU CAN SEE HOW GREAT HE MUST HAD BEEN FOR his GREAT GRAND SON TO BE ADDRESSED WITH RECOGNITION FROM OONI. I AM LAUGHING AT YOUR NON EXPOSURE TO THE TRUTH...YOU WILL RUN FROM THE SITE, I TELL YOU BEFORE I FINISH UP WITH YOU AS FACT ARE IN HANDS OR AT MY DISPOSAL AS A PATRILINEAL DESCENDANT OF LUUSI.... ENJOY THE BITTER TRUTH
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 7:08am On Mar 10, 2017


Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti (Degbin's son) sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:



http://owamilereehinmabo.blogspot.com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi' cheesy

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi? cheesy

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

Here is the oriki of lusi:



I see you wanted to twist that to mean Lajoodogun, ole ni iwo man yi.

Omo okerile alagada ogun/omo oke orile oni agada okun - child of oke orile the owner of agada of ogun.

You're a straight up fraudulent person.

Peole can now see through how you came about your Israel & Ife fraud. cheesy

LAZY SCHOLAR... ASK YOUR SUPERIOR TO INTERPRET .OLODO JATI JATI



ote jale Omo Ayi kiti Ogun Omo etiri Ogun Kare o Leyoo aje okun Ooni Ajere aboju jojo New Ooni of Ife, Enitan Ogunwusi Oke leyin Moore O taye so bi igba Omo Laade Omo Ibi ro Omo ajongbodo Omo osun meru ti kun Omo ibi ola ti n wa Omo Ayikiti Ogun tiri Ogun Mo rejana bi oni roko aburo etiri Omo Degbin



ni roko aburo etiri Omo Degbin Mo nlo nre igbode


Omo Luusi Omo arugbo-ile igbode abika lorun Omo o fose foso, komo Olominrin feeru fo Omo oke mo ri tikun aya sile. Omo afinju oloja mo ledena meji Omo afinju oloja mo re pole owu. wari oore naa ke e momo Olominrin, Ona na ro mo Ooni ria.






YOU ARE SO DISAPPOINTING THAT YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE WHEN THERE IS A PAUSE,IN SENTENCE ,OR A PHRASE. SO PATHETIC, BREAKING A EULOGY THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN USED TO IDENTIFY PERSONALITY.... GO BACK TO JUNIOR SCHOOL TO LEARN, PHRASE, SENTENCE, AND PUNCTUATION IN ENGLISH



ORO NA DUN O FÈ KÈ.....
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by jessyb: 6:15pm On Mar 10, 2017
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Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 8:18pm On Mar 10, 2017
OlaoChi:
yes it is known that Ooni Ogun was on Obatala's side but I brought this up because there are 3 popular historical Oguns - Ogun Onire which I think is same one of Idanre/Ondo area, there is Ogun saki, there is Ooni Ogun. Ogun onire and Ogun saki are said to have migrated from Ife but could all 3 be one and the same person?

Of course you are right, its some kind of trinity:

He left his throne that he once shared with Obatala and build up Saki and late went to build Idanre. Whatever you think, he did. In fact, your thought is a pieces of history. This is how you get your facts isn't it?

None of the sons of Oduduwa was said to have come here, so its a save haven for baseless assumptions. I'm suprise you want to make 'history' this way by thinking similar ideas up and correlating them

Are you still a learner? Is this a fake or a fancy story in the making? Or maybe you are not sure what you are thinking? The source for this piece is to be found in the figment of your imagination.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 8:50pm On Mar 10, 2017
MetaPhysical:


My interest is actually on the congruence of Yoruba culture with AfroAsia. If the acclaimed progenitor of Yoruba is Oduduwa and said to be foreigner, then where are his foreign roots?

Speaking of mythical Oduduwa, in the Myths of Ife, narrated by Araba of Ife, the highest ranking and titular head of Ifa priests, and in presence of Ooni to John Wyndham, mention is made of several landscapes that cannot even be found anywhere in the latitudinal belt that Ife is geographically located in.

Like awos fabricating Oduduwas origin, were these narrations by the Araba fabrications as well?




May God give you strength, and I hope you find the time to share knowledge and enlightenement about these issues. Etymologies, root words and sounds in particular are very important to me.

Word is formed but sound is emanated and carries with it a signature. I am drawn to the esoteric energy in sound and its octaves.




There are many principals in the aboriginal Ife, Oduduwa, Obatala, Ogun, and so on.

The placement of the others is not hidden, why is Oduduwa the only one veiled behind a secrecy?

What is the need to cover his origin, why can't people know and visit?

I am surprised you would admit awos are in a conspiracy to mislead on origin of Oduduwa.
I hope this was a mis-speak.


This guy enjoys quick-twists that will make the arguments smooth for him. They were living in the consciousness that sees Yorubaland as Ife empire and not Yorubaland, such that every other information have to go and Ife speaks for all.

Every other city has a story that has suddenly become stale, let's hear them out. All the answer are not in one place, its very bad if all we can do is turn complacency to academic habit in research and fact-finding.

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Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 10:11pm On Mar 10, 2017
absoluteSuccess:


Of course you are right, its some kind of trinity:

He left his throne that he once shared with Obatala and build up Saki and late went to build Idanre. Whatever you think, he did. In fact, your thought is a pieces of history. This is how you get your facts isn't it?

None of the sons of Oduduwa was said to have come here, so its a save haven for baseless assumptions. I'm suprise you want to make 'history' this way by thinking similar ideas up and correlating them

Are you still a learner? Is this a fake or a fancy story in the making? Or maybe you are not sure what you are thinking? The source for this piece is to be found in the figment of your imagination.
Ooni Ogun died in saki and buried in saki.. Owa Aremitan, was been credited to have formed Idanre (Fabunmi M. A 1985)
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 1:37pm On Mar 11, 2017
Olu317:
Ooni Ogun died in saki and buried in saki.. Owa Aremitan, was been credited to have formed Idanre (Fabunmi M. A 1985)

Thanks for the info bro.

Please is your reference from the book 'Ife, the genesis of Yoruba race'?

I think that book is one of the best on Yoruba/Ife history.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 2:47pm On Mar 11, 2017
absoluteSuccess:


Thanks for the info bro.

Please is your reference from the book 'Ife, the genesis of Yoruba race'?

I think that book is one of the best on Yoruba/Ife history.
Yes sir... Chief Fabunmi did his best on the history of Yoruba. Although, there are 1000s+ books written on Yoruba history by both whites and black men, especially Yoruba descent. However, the western researchers do I lay more emphasis on toward my own thesis to seek some information because these western researchers would had paid thousands of dollars before certain information could be given to them even if the information aren't always complete while many would had been to a large extent initiated to Yoruba cults groups to establish a bond... Unlike our own flesh and blood that will see themselves as part and parcel of the ethnicity. And if they want to offer any brown envelope as a member of the society at all, it will be lesser than what the western world researchers could offer and these western researchers see what individual or collective Yoruba ethnicity don't see. They're over thousands of years + ahead of us in archeological finding and human history discoveries...

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Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 3:18pm On Mar 11, 2017
Olu317:
Yes sir... Chief Fabunmi did his best on the history of Yoruba. Although, there are 1000s+ books written on Yoruba history by both whites and black men, especially Yoruba descent. However, the western researchers do I lay more emphasis on toward my own thesis to seek some information because these western researchers would had paid thousands of dollars before certain information could be given to them even if the information aren't always complete while many would had been to a large extent initiated to Yoruba cults groups to establish a bond... Unlike our own flesh and blood that will see themselves as part and parcel of the ethnicity. And if they want to offer any brown envelope as a member of the society at all, it will be lesser than what the western world researchers could offer and these western researchers see what individual or collective Yoruba ethnicity don't see. They're over thousands of years + ahead of us in archeological finding and human history discoveries...

I agree with you bro, the white folks are ahead of us in human capacity development. We owe a lot to them for the trails they were able to blaze. We were just as good at the onset of time, I believe we got too comfortable after the migration and yet to be fully recovered from all the' isms'.

We will get there some day.
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 3:38pm On Mar 11, 2017
absoluteSuccess:


I agree with you bro, the white folks are ahead of us in human capacity development. We owe a lot to them for the trails they were able to blaze. We were just as good at the onset of time, I believe we got too comfortable after the migration and yet to be fully recovered from all the' isms'.

We will get there some day.
Ashé wa ni agbara Elédua
Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 11:14pm On Mar 11, 2017


Owa is also a title for a chief or king.

What are you on about exactly? Owalusi abi? grin




Yncle sit down, you're talking glib jarez




But, the same Oonis did not mention your crown in the list of Yoruba crowns in 1903. grin

You are only using your Ife-Canaan methodology on the Lusi & Giesi talk.

Go and sit down you do not even understand your own history not to talk of oriki of another place.

Rather than names, ancestral names are used to refer to individuals in Orikis, it does not in anyway mean Giesi equated themselves with the chief from Oka.

Did Ogedengbe, Fabunmi, Ogunsigun come to Ife? You do not know or understand history yet you want to keep engaging people. Mr. Ogeh with the nickname Ajamaye was in Ife to assist in the fight.

You are not making any sense abeg.

USI EKITI



Usi-Ekiti is a Yoruba town in Ido/Osi Local Government Area of Ekiti State. Usi-Ekiti originated from Ile-Ife. The time of their departure from Ile-Ife falls within pre-history times since there were no written records. Historians depend on legends as their source of history of these times. According to legend, the progenitor of Usi people, Prince Usikorode, approached his father, Lafogido, the then reigning Ooni for his blessing as he and his follower prepared to leave Ile-Ife to found his own kingdom, just as his brother Princes had done. Lafogido gave him his blessing and in addition gave him the following paraphenalia of royalty - a beaded crown, a beaded walking stick, beaded horse tail, a sword, a brass cup and a piece of cloth which would be spread on his throne whenever he finally settled.
Usikorode left Ile-Ife with many followers were bent on carving a kingdom in a hilther to unoccupied land. The journey took them to parts of Ijesaland, particularly Imesi Ile and Ibokun where till this day, there exist similarities in the worship of certain deities in Usi, Imesi Ile and Obokun.
The migration of Usikorode and his party took a long time. Sometimes they kept up to a year or more in certain locations. According to the legend, the party moved on to parts of Igbomina staying for some time at Aran Orin. On leaving Aran-Orin, some of the inhabitants followed Usikorode and his party.Today at Usi, Egun-Elefon is said to have been brought from Aran-Orin.
Usikorode and his party continued their journey of migration passing through Otun and parts of Moba until finally they settled at Ipole on Usi/Ayetoro road and about two kilometers from the present site.

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