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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by drmuchin: 8:53pm On Apr 22, 2022
ASSETS DIVERSIFICATION IS VERY CRUCIAL NOW
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by kingemaker(m): 8:55pm On Apr 22, 2022
kutashi:


Are you OK? The citizens of EU is the casualty here. Or you're reading upside down. The Oligarchs partners will definitely have other means for fending for themselves! Or you think all depositors will get 100%!
YOU ARE AN ILLITERATE
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by ponziponzi(m): 8:58pm On Apr 22, 2022
TobiArchy:
Whatever reasons economic blockade was placed for it's achieving... It's major reason was to reduce the threat posed by the island nation's "alignment with the communist powers." Cuba's current inflation rate is at 70% ...and food importation is excluded.
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Sanctions will affect Russians and their quality of lives with decrease significantly but not on the scale you mentioned. You listen to too much propaganda from western media. If you really want to know how Russians live currently, you can watch Russian Youtubers (e.g Nikki from Russia)—many of the youtubers are against the war.

Do you know Cuba has been under US sanction for over 60 years? People still live there. They even give medical scholarships to more 100 countries, including Nigeria.

For a country under 60 years sanction, their inflation has remained pretty low for many years. Yes, inflation is at 70% currently. Inflation is increasing across many countries, for examples in Turkey it is currently 61%—no sanction.

Has the sanctions changed the mind of Cubans over the last 60 years — No!
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Buliwyf: 9:01pm On Apr 22, 2022
Righteousness2:
Expect this " So called bankruptcy " to be more frequent among the various Nations. They are testing to see reactions.

The World is driving towards the Great Reset and New world Order. And in the new world Order, " you will own nothing and be happy"

JESUS IS Coming!!! Be Ready!!

Mugu
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Buliwyf: 9:04pm On Apr 22, 2022
anonymous1759:


And they won't murder the western leaders jokers Netflix has lost 40 billon dollars hope you're aware . grin

Some of you don't know what you are talking about but still want to talk. What has Netflix got to do with this? Even Facebook lost money recently is that tied to Russia too?

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Buliwyf: 9:06pm On Apr 22, 2022
muhammaduyusufu:

49 to 50 percent of Cubans live in poverty, and Cubans are always desperate to flee the country just like Nigerians are always ready to flee Nigeria.

Even Russians are already fleeing their country.

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by sweetjohn(m): 9:48pm On Apr 22, 2022
ponziponzi:


Sanctions will affect Russians and their quality of lives will decrease significantly but not on the scale you mentioned. You listen to too much propaganda from western media. If you really want to know how Russians live currently, you can watch Russian Youtubers (e.g Nikki from Russia)—many of the youtubers are against the war.

Do you know Cuba has been under US sanction for over 60 years? People still live there. They even give medical scholarships to more 100 countries, including Nigeria.
Oga you are educated from what I can see. How do you with all your education be comparing Cuba sanctions to Russia sanctions? Russia sanctions is directly and deliberately against their economy and other sectors of their life. It's a total war on Russia.

Secondly, there is nothing like Western media oga educationist. Russia is being hit hard and they are suffering gradually. By few month time they will be dying of hunger. This is simple arirhmatic for any educated person that want to use his senses. When you have been excluded from the earth how do you survive. No country In this world produces or has everything. Don't mention support from China o. Cos they are also hiding their own head from consequences because China economy is hugely depended on the west. Even if China is to support Russia, Oga, for how many years do you think they can support Russia with their 160+ million people? That will definitely surpressed their economy. Don't even mention islamic terrorists countries. Those ones can barely feed themselves, so it's a no go area. Even if they will try, For how many years can they cope with that?

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by sweetjohn(m): 9:53pm On Apr 22, 2022
kutashi:


Dindinrin! Even those who sanctioned them are still puzzled! Are you aware the World Bank and IMF reviewed down the % of how Russia economy will shrink.

By now, they supposed to be in serious trouble and rouble supposed to worth shit than Ghana cedis but reversed is the case!

You're Mumu Nigerian, you think better than that!

You can't explain how they can survive this sanctions. So that makes you a stupid Islamic terrorist Nigerian. move along pls you are too shalow in your mayopic thinking

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by anonymous1759(m): 10:51pm On Apr 22, 2022
Buliwyf:


Some of you don't know what you are talking about but still want to talk. What has Netflix got to do with this? Even Facebook lost money recently is that tied to Russia too?

Some of you don’t know where to put your mouth. If you don’t understand what I actually meant kindly ask for clarification
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by OrjiAlex(m): 10:51pm On Apr 22, 2022
[color=#990000][/color]Aw do u come up with dix stuff wat an ideology u are part of the problems we hv u see all this preachers both pastors and Imams pple look up to u guys but u guys tend to teach and misinterprete the whole stuff pls rest
Righteousness2:
Expect this " So called bankruptcy " to be more frequent among the various Nations. They are testing to see reactions.

The World is driving towards the Great Reset and New world Order. And in the new world Order,they say " you will own nothing and be happy"

JESUS IS Coming!!! Be Ready!!
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Techguy96(m): 11:16pm On Apr 22, 2022
sanpipita:
It will get worse by May, when Russia debt default will be official,Putin is there still lying about effects of sanctions, he clearly wants to take Russia back to dark ages, Russians can't even have an opinion since he will kill any dissenter.
I saw a recent interview of Putin, honestly that man is sick, he had to use the table as support before he could seat down.
He held the table through out the interview and couldn't move that much.

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by sanpipita(m): 12:00am On Apr 23, 2022
Techguy96:

I saw a recent interview of Putin, honestly that man is sick, he had to use the table as support before he could seat down.
He held the table through out the interview and couldn't move that much.


He is reported to have thyroid cancer for many months now, his body has changed a lot too, and they said getting covid hasn't helped cos he didn't take vaccine, he was afraid of getting poisoned, the man will kill Russia

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by ponziponzi(m): 2:37am On Apr 23, 2022
sweetjohn:
Oga you are educated from what I can see. How do you with all your education be comparing Cuba sanctions to Russia sanctions? Russia sanctions is directly and deliberately against their economy and other sectors of their life. It's a total war on Russia.

Secondly, there is nothing like Western media oga educationist. Russia is being hit hard and they are suffering gradually. By few month time they will be dying of hunger. This is simple arirhmatic for any educated person that want to use his senses. When you have been excluded from the earth how do you survive. No country In this world produces or has everything. Don't mention support from China o. Cos they are also hiding their own head from consequences because China economy is hugely depended on the west. Even if China is to support Russia, Oga, for how many years do you think they can support Russia with their 160+ million people? That will definitely surpressed their economy. Don't even mention islamic terrorists countries. Those ones can barely feed themselves, so it's a no go area. Even if they will try, For how many years can they cope with that?

LOL! You need to read and learn more.

Cuba's sanctions are also directly and deliberately against their economy—there are financial and banking restrictions imposed on the country. No US company or it's affiliate can trade with Cuba. At some point, Obama allowed Cuban pharmaceutical companies to do business in the U.S., and allowed Americans to legally bring Cuban cigars and rum to the U.S but trump administration reimposed them back in 2019.

I'm not disputing the fact that the Russian economy will be affected and I even believe that their GDP will shrink by a few percent. However, they won't die of hunger. So you know Russia is pretty much self-sufficient in food. (See image below). Even Nigerians aren't dying of hunger
and the best Nigeria is still worse than Russia under sanction. Nigeria is even worse than many countries in wartime. If you are really interested in how the sanctions have affected the Russian people, this is a good source: https://www.youtube.com/c/NikiProshin. He uploads new content on life in Russia almost every week.

Also, only about 30 countries have imposed sanctions on Russia—even some of those countries still trade with them (e.g in Gas, Oil, precious metals and platinum). See link: https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-CRISIS/SANCTIONS/byvrjenzmve/ The rest of the world still trades with Russia.

The world is globalized. China depends on the West as the West depends on China. It is only the media that makes it looks like it is one way.
For Example:
General Motors in 2021 (American biggest automotive company) sold more cars in China than in the US and Europe combined, you see that's a very big market.
Volkswagen in 2020 (The biggest car auto in Europe, if not in the world) sold almost twice the number of cars in China than those sold in the US and Europe combined.
My point here is that everyone needs each other. If any of these companies stop selling to China today, half of their market is gone and there are a lot of companies like that. And as China's middle class increases so will the market.

On the media issue, there are Western media. There are some books and journal articles about them and their roles in foreign affairs. If you have time, here is a book and a few articles that you can read to learn more;

Article: Hallin and Mancini Revisited: Four Empirical Types of Western Media Systems by Michael Brüggemann.

Article: Interpreting and Translation for Western Media in Iraq by Jerry Palmer.

Book: Western Media Systems by Jonathan Hardy.

And there is what is called Western Propaganda. If you are not part of the "Western democracy" or allied of it, there is a way you will be portrayed in the Western media. This has nothing to do with war, they have a way they want their people to perceive you and they reinforce it in every way. It's been like that before colonization and it will continue to be like that. If you have been to the US, you will know how that the average American is very ignorant about Africa or Indian, and they ask a lot of ignorant questions. Many don't know we have roads or cars. Asking stupid questions like, how did you get here? I have come to understand that it isn't their fault, it is just what they see and know about Africa. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie gave a brilliant Ted Talk on "The Danger of a Single Story"—it's a good watch

In wartime, these media outlets publish lots of propaganda. For example in Iraq, you can read about "The Nayirah testimony". John R. MacArthur did a good job of providing a gist of what happened in this article; "How False Testimony and a Massive U.S. Propaganda Machine Bolstered George H.W. Bush’s War on Iraq"

I do not condone Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However, you have to be objective and rational— not just with your emotions and on what you want to happen based on an overload of propaganda.

Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:01am On Apr 23, 2022
Amayabor1:


Still trying to understand how this post of yours relates to the thread.
wait, I am bringing your food. Just lie on your bed and do nothing for the rest of the day. I will feed you nicely
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:03am On Apr 23, 2022
TobiArchy:

Mumu na una be the real minion grin
How can you escape poverty in your life? So, as old as you are, you think that your mom feeding is okay? When will you get a job?
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:05am On Apr 23, 2022
TobiArchy:

Mumu na una be the real minion grin
When will you grow to gain understanding? So, all the school fees just disappeared like that?
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Gabbriell: 4:07am On Apr 23, 2022
ponziponzi:


Yes, I know.

Cuba GDP per capita is US$9,478
Nigeria GDP per capita is US$2,097.09

Cuba under sanction for 60 years still has 4 times Nigeria GDP per capital. My point is that people still live there

Source: https://unstats.un.org/unsd/snaama/Basic

Cuba sanctions are not thesame as Russia. Russia has been hit with many and still going to be strucked with more sanctions in the coming months.

Some countries has sanctions or some form of restrictions imposed on them. But because they are have received sanctions doesn't mean the level of sanctions are equall.

Russia is a big country but they are not independent. They engage in trade (exports and imports) with others to maintain a balance.

If they end up isolating themselves like North Korea, the rest of the world will move on. Nothing go happen (they will not die).
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Nobody: 5:03am On Apr 23, 2022
Are you people dümb ? This doesn't affect Russian customers ,the Dutch depositors are the biggest losers ,imagine 3 billion deposits and you can guarantee only 700 million ,each person gets at most 100k no matter your deposit lol
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Nobody: 5:06am On Apr 23, 2022
ponziponzi:


LOL! You need to read and learn more.

Cuba's sanctions are also directly and deliberately against their economy—there are financial and banking restrictions imposed on the country. No US company or it's affiliate can trade with Cuba. At some point, Obama allowed Cuban pharmaceutical companies to do business in the U.S., and allowed Americans to legally bring Cuban cigars and rum to the U.S but trump administration reimposed them back in 2019.

I'm not disputing the fact that the Russian economy will be affected and I even believe that their GDP will shrink by a few percent. However, they won't die of hunger. So you know Russia is pretty much self-sufficient in food. (See image below). Even Nigerians aren't dying of hunger
and the best Nigeria is still worse than Russia under sanction. Nigeria is even worse than many countries in wartime. If you are really interested in how the sanctions have affected the Russian people, this is a good source: https://www.youtube.com/c/NikiProshin. He uploads new content on life in Russia almost every week.

Also, only about 30 countries have imposed sanctions on Russia—even some of those countries still trade with them (e.g in Gas, Oil, precious metals and platinum). See link: https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-CRISIS/SANCTIONS/byvrjenzmve/ The rest of the world still trades with Russia.

The world is globalized. China depends on the West as the West depends on China. It is only the media that makes it looks like it is one way.
For Example:
General Motors in 2021 (American biggest automotive company) sold more cars in China than in the US and Europe combined, you see that's a very big market.
Volkswagen in 2020 (The biggest car auto in Europe, if not in the world) sold almost twice the number of cars in China than those sold in the US and Europe combined.
My point here is that everyone needs each other. If any of these companies stop selling to China today, half of their market is gone and there are a lot of companies like that. And as China's middle class increases so will the market.

On the media issue, there are Western media. There are some books and journal articles about them and their roles in foreign affairs. If you have time, here is a book and a few articles that you can read to learn more;

Article: Hallin and Mancini Revisited: Four Empirical Types of Western Media Systems by Michael Brüggemann.

Article: Interpreting and Translation for Western Media in Iraq by Jerry Palmer.

Book: Western Media Systems by Jonathan Hardy.

And there is what is called Western Propaganda. If you are not part of the "Western democracy" or allied of it, there is a way you will be portrayed in the Western media. This has nothing to do with war, they have a way they want their people to perceive you and they reinforce it in every way. It's been like that before colonization and it will continue to be like that. If you have been to the US, you will know how that the average American is very ignorant about Africa or Indian, and they ask a lot of ignorant questions. Many don't know we have roads or cars. Asking stupid questions like, how did you get here? I have come to understand that it isn't their fault, it is just what they see and know about Africa. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie gave a brilliant Ted Talk on "The Danger of a Single Story"—it's a good watch

In wartime, these media outlets publish lots of propaganda. For example in Iraq, you can read about "The Nayirah testimony". John R. MacArthur did a good job of providing a gist of what happened in this article; "How False Testimony and a Massive U.S. Propaganda Machine Bolstered George H.W. Bush’s War on Iraq"

I do not condone Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However, you have to be objective and rational— not just with your emotions and on what you want to happen based on an overload of propaganda.

They don't know nothing ,so long as they buy Russian gas which is inevitable and some select countries refuse the sanctions against Russia ,they'll be fine
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by bkool7(m): 6:59am On Apr 23, 2022
That's exactly what I'm saying. China is Shylock from Shakespeare .
Sixfiguresmart:
Read the clause. China is not IMF or PC

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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Amayabor1: 7:59am On Apr 23, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
wait, I am bringing your food. Just lie on your bed and do nothing for the rest of the day. I will feed you nicely

Okay Sir/Ma'am tongue tongue
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by GreyLaw(m): 8:03am On Apr 23, 2022
DoggoneDogg:
Yes nau
So that they will not pay tax to Nazi EU regime.


The West are being beaten to their own game. grin

Go school, go school, you no gree!
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by DoggoneDogg: 8:04am On Apr 23, 2022
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GreyLaw:


Go school, go school, you no gree!
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Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by kutashi: 8:29am On Apr 23, 2022
sweetjohn:
You can't explain how they can survive this sanctions. So that makes you a stupid Islamic terrorist Nigerian. move along pls you are too shalow in your mayopic thinking
What an idiot! You're one deluded nincompoop deprived of sound logic reasoning! You see how your life is fading? Is Islam your headache? Or what part of my response talked about religion? Why are disgracing your parent up and down? You're are really a 'regretted sperm'!

They already survived the sanction and that's what I was telling you! Ordinarily, with waves of sanction directed towards them, they supposed to be on their knees begging but reversed is the case!

What is happening to Russia and her response will become subject in major economics classroom for decades!

Yesterday, Boris said, there is "realistic possibility that Russia will win". Indonesia ban export of Palm oil yesterday to avoid shortage at home, Dangote was asked about shortage of Potash mainly imported from Russia and Ukraine (find out his response), cost are rising in EU countries, Also, a bank Affliated with Russia declared bankruptcy. Can you add up all these variables and tell me the meaning? The answer is no because I'm very sure you're more in confusion than earlier and what will be running through your mind is "what's this one saying?" because you lacked proper education.

Allah has sanctioned your life in many ways so, I don't need to add my own sanction to your woes because you will forever remain in that state!

Werey tutu! Arindin sweet John.
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by sweetjohn(m): 8:47am On Apr 23, 2022
kutashi:

What an idiot! You're one deluded nincompoop deprived of sound logic reasoning! You see how your life is fading? Is Islam your headache? Or what part of my response talked about religion? Why are disgracing your parent up and down? You're are really a 'regretted sperm'!

They already survived the sanction and that's what I was telling you! Ordinarily, with waves of sanction directed towards them, they supposed to be on their knees begging but reversed is the case!

What is happening to Russia and her response will become subject in major economics classroom for decades!

Yesterday, Boris said, there is "realistic possibility that Russia will win". Indonesia ban export of Palm oil yesterday to avoid shortage at home, Dangote was asked about shortage of Potash mainly imported from Russia and Ukraine (find out his response), cost are rising in EU countries, Also, a bank Affliated with Russia declared bankruptcy. Can you add up all these variables and tell me the meaning? The answer is no because I'm very sure you're more in confusion than earlier and what will be running through your mind is "what's this one saying?" because you lacked proper education.

Allah has sanctioned your life in many ways so, I don't need to add my own sanction to your woes because you will forever remain in that state!

Werey tutu! Arindin sweet John.
Russia have already survived a sanction that is still ongoing barely two months. OGA YOU ARE SENSELESS

When this stupid government (Buhari govt) came on board do we start experiencing the effect of his bad government? No. Infact, some zombies were still supporting him at the early stage. It took upto a year before hunger start cribbing in gradually and today hunger has forced many people hate the idiotic president. That's what is happening to Russia. They are still in their early stage, the impact may not be visible now, hence they are still supporting the invasion. Wait until the sanction has entered 6 months or one year and start seeing death on their Streets due to hunger, frustration and stagnation

Likwise, other country that are directly or indirectly affected by this Sanction in the next 6 to 1 year will stabilize and be totally free from the effect as they keep looking for solutions of their wants from other countries that can provide but Russia is dead with no good and economic viable country to run to.

China is their only strong Ally but unfortunately, China had been warned of severe consequences should they support Russia. If at all China must support Russia in one thing or the other, not in all things cos no country has it all, they will do so hiding, thus, the support won't be affective and they will soon get fed up with it. For how long can they continue to do so unless, trust China,, would give Russia a STRONG TERM if they must continue in that supports.
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by TobiArchy(m): 7:31pm On Apr 23, 2022
Them talk say make I no reply you... say true true you no get sense...
Sixfiguresmart:
How can you escape poverty in your life? So, as old as you are, you think that your mom feeding is okay? When will you get a job?
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by Sixfiguresmart(m): 7:48am On Apr 24, 2022
TobiArchy:
Them talk say make I no reply you... say true true you no get sense...
Speak English and defend your father's labour and l sweat for your school fees. He sent you to school to learn English to represent him. Poor job from you
Re: Amsterdam Trade Bank, A Subsidiary Of Russia Alfa Bank Declares Bankruptcy by kutashi: 8:00pm On Apr 28, 2022
We're gidi tutu ni e!
So, Russia will not look for solution abi!
Wheat is a food source majorly used throughout the world and who & who are the major producer?
Lol! Death on the street! I swear! Your brain is malfunctioning!

2 months is enough to determine the extent of what is coming for them! Hope you're watching the TV?! They're complaining bitterly that Sanction is not working! Russia has passed this nonsense phase you people are walloing in.

Most asset seized abroad is Oligarchs asset and Russia has resource they will always need. Either you agree or not, EU unity is under serious threat! Can you see how many meeting has been held on banning Russian gas without a valid agreement.

You're still sleeping and at your age, emotion is controlling your life! Ask yourself, how many countries are against Russia? And yet no direction, they are going to 6th round of sanction! They are dindinrin like you!

Have you noticed lately that no more report of Russia casualties like before they aren't playing again even the western intelligence had seen the game has changed. But nincompoop like you still seeing red when everything is already white!
sweetjohn:
Russia have already survived a sanction that is still ongoing barely two months. OGA YOU ARE SENSELESS

When this stupid government (Buhari govt) came on board do we start experiencing the effect of his bad government? No. Infact, some zombies were still supporting him at the early stage. It took upto a year before hunger start cribbing in gradually and today hunger has forced many people hate the idiotic president. That's what is happening to Russia. They are still in their early stage, the impact may not be visible now, hence they are still supporting the invasion. Wait until the sanction has entered 6 months or one year and start seeing death on their Streets due to hunger, frustration and stagnation

Likwise, other country that are directly or indirectly affected by this Sanction in the next 6 to 1 year will stabilize and be totally free from the effect as they keep looking for solutions of their wants from other countries that can provide but Russia is dead with no good and economic viable country to run to.

China is their only strong Ally but unfortunately, China had been warned of severe consequences should they support Russia. If at all China must support Russia in one thing or the other, not in all things cos no country has it all, they will do so hiding, thus, the support won't be affective and they will soon get fed up with it. For how long can they continue to do so unless, trust China,, would give Russia a STRONG TERM if they must continue in that supports.

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