Answer:
An Industrialist created a factory in which inanimate items and non-inanimate workers exist. The factory is His property. All the workers need not be good and disciplined. The owner comes to the factory every day to supervise the workers. The owner is visiting His own property. Is there something abnormal in this? If the owner is visiting the factory of somebody else, we may be interested to know the reason. Moreover, some employees desire to see the owner everyday to discuss with him about their doubts face to face. The owner feels that face to face talks are more effective than talking over phone. The presence of the owner inspires them to work more efficiently.

Similarly, this creation is done by God Himself and this creation is His personal property. He has every right to visit and supervise His own property. He is not visiting the creation of somebody else. There is a special satisfaction among ardent devotes to see Him, to talk with Him directly for clearing their doubts, to touch His feet and serve Him and to spend their life time with Him. God also feels happy to satisfy them and feels that His personal visit will inspire them more in their spiritual progress. Hence, God visits this creation frequently in the form of human incarnations. God is called as ‘Pashupati’ (owner of animals like cows, buffaloes, bulls, donkeys etc.) and we must note that the human being is said to be a social animal.

God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed!

My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good?

And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

AntiChristian:

God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed! My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good? And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

Now i know you only jump into arguments without reading posts!

Did the OP proved to be a believer in the Bible God?

Islam just turned you into a dunce and you're dancing in it's quagmire!

dattaswami1:
Answer:
An Industrialist created a factory in which inanimate items and non-inanimate workers exist. The factory is His property. All the workers need not be good and disciplined. The owner comes to the factory every day to supervise the workers. The owner is visiting His own property. Is there something abnormal in this? If the owner is visiting the factory of somebody else, we may be interested to know the reason. Moreover, some employees desire to see the owner everyday to discuss with him about their doubts face to face. The owner feels that face to face talks are more effective than talking over phone. The presence of the owner inspires them to work more efficiently.

Similarly, this creation is done by God Himself and this creation is His personal property. He has every right to visit and supervise His own property. He is not visiting the creation of somebody else. There is a special satisfaction among ardent devotes to see Him, to talk with Him directly for clearing their doubts, to touch His feet and serve Him and to spend their life time with Him. God also feels happy to satisfy them and feels that His personal visit will inspire them more in their spiritual progress. Hence, God visits this creation frequently in the form of human incarnations. God is called as ‘Pashupati’ (owner of animals like cows, buffaloes, bulls, donkeys etc.) and we must note that the human being is said to be a social animal.

Who is your own God and which continent first had an encounter with your God?

AntiChristian:
God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed!

My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good?

And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

Now you get mouth to talk!?

Antichristian, don't you know that by design You inherited so much from your parents? If your parents are Albino or Dwarfs, wouldn't you be carrying the genes in your DNA? Adam was created in the image of God. When he sinned, he lost the power of the image of God and his children were born in Adams image. Islam didn't teach you that, that is why Allah asked you Muslims to consult with people of the book when you get stuck like this.

God doesn't need to come down to know man or what man is doing. God is performing a REDEMPTION for man. I will explain as Muslims do not know the weight of sin.

God is ABSOLUTE in everything and to His creations God created laws by which they must operate.

1. One of the important laws is the LAW of SIN and DEATH! It means that ANY creature that violates God's commandments MUST be eternally cut off from Him. This is because a Sinner cannot go Unpunished. If you understand this , good for you.

2. Secondly, SIN is not just mere Error, or Disobedience or Violation of God's rule, it is a Contaminant to God's perfectness. In human terms, it is like putting excrement in the cup of the king. Tell me what kind of washing that will make the cup fit for use again. We are God's own vessel, when we contaminate our body with sin, we become unusable by God. If you understand the GRAVITY of SIN, good for you.
Sin is the highest form of offence a man or Angels could commit!

3. Humans deserve to be eternally cut off from God because of our sin, but the fact was that GOD LOVES HUMANITY so much as the pinnacle of His creations!
Interestingly, even before the creation of the World, God Himself, by His foreknowledge prepared a solution to this problem: SACRIFICE with Blood.
In a sacrifice, the offence is punished and freedom is conferred. The sacrifice become a SCAPEGOAT (scapegoat is not originally an English word, it is a Jewish Temple/Sacrifice word translated into English) for the offender.
Islam doesn't know WHY God instructed sacrifices for the Children of Israel, they just copy!
Who invented sacrifice for man and why?

4. Before Christ, God prescribed blood sacrifice for the Children of Israel as a foreshadow of the blood of Christ. Why?
Heb 10:4-5:
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Why when he comes into the world, he said, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:"

I hope you will read to understand!

Heb 9:12-13:
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14-15: "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
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5. All have sinned and fall short of God's standard of perfection. Hence no human being can be pure enough to be a ransom for another person's sins. This is the reason Christ came as the SINLESS Lamb of God to take away the sins of the World.

John 1:29:
"The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world."


So, Antichristian!
This is the reason : as extreme offence deserves extreme punishment or Payment for Redemption!

AntiChristian:
God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed!

My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good?

And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

God created human beings in the beginning of the first phase of creation (Kruta Yuga), in which all the human beings were just following the instructions of God like the robots following the programme fed in to the machine heads. In such stage, there is no freedom of soul. All the instructions from God were always exceptionally good and there is no bad information. There is no need of knowing good and bad when the brain is totally surrendered to God (Tameva sharanam gachcha... Gita).

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good. You will not verify the word of God through your analysis and examine whether it is good or bad. God takes the total responsibility of soul in such total surrender (Yogakshemam... Gita). This Adam and Eve represent the males and females of the humanity existing in Kruta yuga, in which total surrender from one side and total responsibility from the other side exists. They must abide to the word of God whatever it may be.

The concept of God here is that a totally surrendered soul need not have the knowledge of good and bad when the soul is simply following the word of God without any trace of freedom. When freedom is given to the soul, then, there is a need of exposure of good and bad through exposure of scripture and the soul has freedom to decide to choose good or bad. When this situation comes, the responsibility of God goes away and this is said by God to them.

The tree of knowledge of good and bad was created by God since the time has come to give freedom to the soul. Adam and Eve violated the word of God based on the freedom of soul only. Change from continuous trend is inevitable in the nature. The change from the trend of continuous total surrender has already come in the minds of the souls and hence God wants to give freedom to the souls to relieve them from the stress of continuous specific trend. It is the will of the divine Father only to give freedom to His children on one side and on the other side is also warning them to be careful about the bad.

Giving freedom is inevitable and at the same time, the warning of God withdrawing His responsibility to protect them is also paining the heart of the divine Father. Do not forget that such tension also gives entertainment to God and do not misunderstand God as the unfortunate victim of the tension! Full freedom and total responsibility of protection do not go hand in hand. Since freedom is decided by God, the warning is given so that human beings read the ethical scripture of God and be careful in selecting good.

In the stage of freedom, the additional problem is the pollution of scripture and deep analysis is to be done to isolate the word of God from the insertions done by human beings affected by Satan. Adam and Eve were also affected by Satan. Satan appeared as sweet and good like the insertion in the divine scripture. They followed the advice of Satan as the word of God due to incapability in the analysis.


The divine Father is very much concerned for the happiness of souls created by Him. Hence, He gave freedom to souls, which was misused by the souls to get punishments of their sins. Even though the sins were done continuously, the punishments were not arranged continuously following strictly the sequence of deeds. The punishments (tensions) were arranged alternatively with fruits of good deeds (happiness) so that the boredom of continuous happiness disappears. By this, the problem of boredom was removed.


But, some people are seen with continuous tensions and so they criticise God for not doing such above said arrangement. The reason for a specific situation like this is that the souls worshipped God to solve their problems and get happiness. God was forced to do this. But, the basic principle of His constitution is that no fruit of good deed can be given without doing good deed and the punishment of a bad deed can never be cancelled unless the soul is reformed.

Based on this, God postponed the present punishment to future life cycles with interest added so that the present punishment disappears. He brought the good fruits arranged with increased values from the future life cycles with lesser values to the present birth and gave happiness. The ignorant soul is thinking that the punishment is cancelled and good fruit is given by God even though it did not do any good deed.

Due to this, the future life cycles are leftover with punishments only without good fruits in the intervals. Hence, we shall never worship God for getting any benefit and our true love to God must be without aspiration for any fruit like removing the tension or granting benefit. Without understanding this background, we criticize God unnecessarily. Actually, we must criticize ourselves only.


While clarifying your doubt, we must carefully understand the comparison of a human being with a robot. If God had not given any freedom to human beings, there would hardly be any difference between a human being and a robot. For some time, let us think that God did not give any freedom to human beings, which was actually the condition during the Kṛta age. In the Kṛta age, human beings were exactly like robots in the sense that both act as per the information available to them. But there is a slight difference between the Kṛta Age-humans and robots. The Kṛta Age-humans got information directly from the external world. Robots, on the other hand, get information only from the information-chip inserted into them by the scientist who designed them. The scientist, after all, draws information only from the external world. So, the information fed to the robot is indirectly from the same external world. Thus, at this point, the difference between Kṛta Age-humans and robots disappears.

In the case of the Kṛta Age-humans, no scientist inserted any information-chip into them; they themselves filled it with the information directly grasped by them from the external world. The robot, however, is dependent on the scientist to feed information into its information-chip. Leaving aside this matter of detail, the Kṛta Age-human, who did not possess freedom, is exactly like a robot in the aspect of acting as per the information available.

As time passed, the Kṛta Age humans felt bored. Robots, of course, never get bored and can go on working mechanically as per the program in their information-chip. This again is another difference between a human being and a robot. A robot plays a game of chess using the ‘intelligence’ programmed in its chip by the scientist. It merely executes actions based on the various possibilities of moves in the game. The Kṛta Age-human being was also just like the robot playing chess. Based on these similarities, it was stated that human beings in the Kṛta Age were just robots.

Considering the large number of similarities, it was stated that human beings in the Kṛta Age were robots in the sense of a metaphor. Saying that a person is like a lion is a simile, while saying that the person is a lion is a metaphor. Both the simile and the metaphor indicate similarity between two items, while also acknowledging their differences. Neither the simile nor the metaphor suggests an identity between the two items compared. But in the case of a simile, the differences between the two items compared are larger than in the case of a metaphor.

Once God gave freedom to human beings, after the Kṛta Age, the differences between human beings and a robot increased. The robot continues to play chess based on the program in its information-chip whereas the free human being does not play as per any fixed program or policy. The freedom given, allows the human being to freely choose to follow its information-chip or not follow it. This freedom creates a huge difference between a free human being and a robot which never has any freedom. It is due to this freedom given by God to humans that God can never be blamed for the wrong choices made by human beings. Human beings alone are responsible for their own choices. If human beings had continued to be like robots, which never have any freedom, then God, who is like the scientist, would be held responsible for the behavior of human beings.

Also, there is no need to blame this freedom given by God. In spite of giving this freedom, there are some human beings who still continue to follow their information-chips like robots. All human beings have not exercised their freedom. All have not deviated from the policy of behaving as per the information chip. Had all human beings deviated, it would be correct to blame the freedom and its Giver. But after granting this freedom, some human beings deviated from their programmed behavior while others did not. Hence, you cannot file a damage suit against God for granting this freedom. If upon granting freedom to human beings, all human beings had universally deviated from the programmed behavior, your advocate could have argued your case. But due to the absence of any such uniform behavior, you cannot support your case with arguments. In that case, your damage suit will be disposed with no costs!



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- By Shri Datta Swami
(Universal Spirituality for World Peace)

MaxInDHouse:


Who is your own God and which continent first had an encounter with your God?

Human incarnation results when unimaginable God merges with imaginable devoted soul selected by God for the sake of some important work to be done in the world for the welfare of the souls. The process of the merge of unimaginable item with an imaginable item is also unimaginable. Only the process between two imaginable items existing in this imaginable creation is imaginable.

For example, gold and copper are imaginable items. Both these metals merge homogenously to form a solid solution, which looks like one item (gold), but when viewed through microscope, both metals appear as different atoms.

This means the merge to become one item is only external, but, the merge internally reveals that both these imaginable items did not become one item in the actual sense. This state (externally as one item, but, internally as two items) exists for anybody as the constant uniform single state. Regarding the case of unimaginable God merging with imaginable soul, the process of merge is unimaginable due to the omnipotence of God.

The human incarnation will appear simultaneously to different human beings in three states:-

1) As 100 % God if the devotee is with 100% faith.

2) As mixture of God and human soul in various proportions like solid solution of gold and copper according to various proportions of faith and doubt of the devotee and

3) As 100% human soul if the devotee has no faith. Krishna appeared in these three states simultaneously to Vidura, Dhrutaraashtra and Duryodhana in the same time while giving cosmic vision in the court.

Since devotees like Vidura are very very rare, I mentioned the second and third states only in the view of majority of devotees, who have partial faith or no faith. The first state is Monism of Shankara, the second state is inseparable dualism (like gold and copper in solid solution) of Ramanuja and the third state is separable dualism (like two different blocks of gold and copper).
This is told in the Gita that God results as per the view of the devotee (ye yathā mām…). Based on the worldly logic of imaginable items existing in the imaginable creation, we shall not discuss the state of unimaginable and omnipotent God.

dattaswami1:

Human incarnation results when unimaginable God merges with imaginable devoted soul selected by God for the sake of some important work to be done in the world for the welfare of the souls. The process of the merge of unimaginable item with an imaginable item is also unimaginable. Only the process between two imaginable items existing in this imaginable creation is imaginable. For example, gold and copper are imaginable items. Both these metals merge homogenously to form a solid solution, which looks like one item (gold), but when viewed through microscope, both metals appear as different atoms. This means the merge to become one item is only external, but, the merge internally reveals that both these imaginable items did not become one item in the actual sense. This state (externally as one item, but, internally as two items) exists for anybody as the constant uniform single state. Regarding the case of unimaginable God merging with imaginable soul, the process of merge is unimaginable due to the omnipotence of God.
The human incarnation will appear simultaneously to different human beings in three states:-
1) As 100 % God if the devotee is with 100% faith.
2) As mixture of God and human soul in various proportions like solid solution of gold and copper according to various proportions of faith and doubt of the devotee and
3) As 100% human soul if the devotee has no faith. Krishna appeared in these three states simultaneously to Vidura, Dhrutaraashtra and Duryodhana in the same time while giving cosmic vision in the court. Since devotees like Vidura are very very rare, I mentioned the second and third states only in the view of majority of devotees, who have partial faith or no faith. The first state is Monism of Shankara, the second state is inseparable dualism (like gold and copper in solid solution) of Ramanuja and the third state is separable dualism (like two different blocks of gold and copper).
This is told in the Gita that God results as per the view of the devotee (ye yathā mām…). Based on the worldly logic of imaginable items existing in the imaginable creation, we shall not discuss the state of unimaginable and omnipotent God.

Guy you're an atheist in the making, just the name of your own god and the continent that first know about your god.
I'm not interested in your stories!

dattaswami1:


God created human beings in the beginning of the first phase of creation (Kruta Yuga), in which all the human beings were just following the instructions of God like the robots following the programme fed in to the machine heads. In such stage, there is no freedom of soul. All the instructions from God were always exceptionally good and there is no bad information. There is no need of knowing good and bad when the brain is totally surrendered to God (Tameva sharanam gachcha... Gita).

Lol, I love how this narrative goes against what most people on here believe.

dattaswami1:


Human incarnation results when unimaginable God merges with imaginable devoted soul selected by God for the sake of some important work to be done in the world for the welfare of the souls. The process of the merge of unimaginable item with an imaginable item is also unimaginable. Only the process between two imaginable items existing in this imaginable creation is imaginable.

This is very imaginative

MaxInDHouse:

Guy you're an atheist in the making, just the name of your own god and the continent that first know about your god.
I'm not interested in your stories!

Lmao

KnownUnknown:

Lmao

MaxInDHouse:


Now i know you only jump into arguments without reading posts!

Did the OP proved to be a believer in the Bible God?

Islam just turned you into a dunce and you're dancing in it's quagmire!

Being old in age doesn't make one wise!

What is the topic and where is my comment?

This is what happens when you a Jehovah witness who believes one Jesus came in 1914!

Awon oponu afofungbemu radarada!

AntiChristian:


Being old in age doesn't make one wise!

What is the topic and where is my comment?

This is what happens when you a Jehovah witness who believes one Jesus came in 1914!

Awon oponu afofungbemu radarada!

This is your comment:

AntiChristian:

God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed! My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good? And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

So i ask you again Did the OP tell you he believes in the Bible God?