Amen darling girl

Hoping to see you in heaven

How can that possible?

We didn't even go to the same school, some went to Jelesinmi while some went to Montessori nah

Wild imagination

Making heaven is not by wish.

Will you visit me in my mansion when we get to heaven.

Amen oooo. God's grace will see us through

Steep:
Making heaven is not by wish.

as we work hard

We also wish

Ilamina:
as we work hard

We also wish

It is not by hard work either.

Steep:
It is not by hard work either.

then it's what

Ilamina:
then it's what

Grace

Heaven is over rated.. just an old man, his traumatized son, and some slaves with wings. I'd rather live on earth.

HappyPagan:
Heaven is over rated.. just an old man, his traumatized son, and some slaves with wings. I'd rather live on earth.

Is it worth it

All the anxiety and pain on earth
Earth is not a suitable place to live

Ilamina:
then it's what

by Grace, which can only be recieved when you acknowledge that you are a sinner unable to save yourself and then believe on the Lord Jesus christ as the one who died for your sins and is raised again for your justification confessing him, then you will be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Ilamina:


Is it worth it

All the anxiety and pain on earth
Earth is not a suitable place to live

Earth's lovely. It's the humans that are nasty.


Heaven, if it exists, won't be any better with these humans. And it will be quite boring and dull too

Steep:
by Grace, which can only be recieved when you acknowledge that you are a sinner unable to save yourself and then believe on the Lord Jesus christ as the one who died for your sins and is raised again for your justification confessing him, then you will be saved.

So, just believe this story of a Jewish carpenter that suffered jungle justice... What a belief.. what a relief.

HappyPagan:

Earth's lovely. It's the humans that are nasty.


Heaven, if it exists, won't be any better with these humans. And it will be quite boring and dull too

boring but better than living on earth

HappyPagan:

Earth's lovely. It's the humans that are nasty.


Heaven, if it exists, won't be any better with these humans. And it will be quite boring and dull too

The same God that made Earth made Heaven. He's gone to prepare a place in Heaven for those that love Him. Earth is going to be destroyed.

HappyPagan:

So, just believe this story of a Jewish carpenter that suffered jungle justice... What a belief.. what a relief.

Do you know the meaning of jungle justice? Does government do jungle justice?

HappyPagan:
Earth's lovely. It's the humans that are nasty.

Heaven, if it exists, won't be any better with these humans. And it will be quite boring and dull too

Revelation 21:1
'Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth;
for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished),
and there is no longer any sea.'

Heaven and earth are going to be re-created.

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The same God that made Earth made Heaven. He's gone to prepare a place in Heaven for those that love Him. Earth is going to be destroyed.

Yeah, after the honeymoon in heaven, we all, are coming down back to earth

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Ilamina:
then it's what

delkuf:
Grace

Steep:
by Grace, which can only be recieved when you acknowledge that you are a sinner unable to save yourself and then believe on the Lord Jesus christ as the one who died for your sins and is raised again for your justification confessing him, then you will be saved.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Yeah, with grace, simply be what you are. Be true to your nature because your nature determines what your future destination is

HappyPagan:
So, just believe this story of a Jewish carpenter that suffered jungle justice... What a belief.. what a relief.

Do you know what three things are eternal?

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Do you know the meaning of jungle justice? Does government do jungle justice?

Kangaroo court, was what he really meant

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Revelation 21:1
'Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth;
for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished),
and there is no longer any sea.'

Heaven and earth are going to be re-created.



Yeah, after the honeymoon in heaven, we all, are coming down back to earth

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The New Earth, not this one.

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The New Earth, not this one.

Note '....and the first earth had passed away (vanished),'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Note '....and the first earth had passed away (vanished),'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Do you come down back to what has vanished?

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Do you come down back to what has vanished?

Isaiah 65:17
'For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.'

When a chair vanishes in a room, it doesnt mean you cant return back to the same and exact point in the room where the chair vanished from.
Yes, many moons ago, I once came back to the spot where my car vanished (i.e. actually car was stolen by haters)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Isaiah 65:17
'For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.'

When a chair vanishes in a room, it doesnt mean you cant return back to the same and exact point in the room where the chair vanished from.
Yes, many moons ago, I once came back to the spot where my car vanished (i.e. actually car was stolen by haters)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

And who says that the new Earth will be at the same and exact point as the Earth?

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And who says that the new Earth will be at the same and exact point as the Earth?

You are, as you attack your created strawman

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
You are, as you attack your created strawman

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

ok

HappyPagan:
Heaven is over rated.. just an old man, his traumatized son, and some slaves with wings. I'd rather live on earth.

Unfortunately, you can't live on Earth forever.
And there are only two places in Eternity where you are going. Heaven and Hellfire.

Even if Heaven was full of shit and boredom, a wise man would give his everything to get to there and escape the everlasting torment of fire. You have not begun to imagine the pains of burning alive in a fire hotter than your cooking stove and yet not dying.

Ilamina:

There are three stages in the spiritual development of any human being in this world. They are duṣpravṛtti(doing bad deeds), pravṛtti(doing justice), and nivṛtti(complete love and surrender to God). They are related to a person’s fascination (overattachment or Moha) to worldly bonds.

The three main worldly bonds of a soul are the bond with money, the bond with one’s life-partner and the bond with one’s child. A limited attachment to these worldly bonds is acceptable as long as it does not cross the boundaries of justice. Excessive attachment to these bonds causes the soul to commit injustice.

Duṣpravṛtti is the lowest stage in which the soul is completely affected by the six vices. The six vices are lust, anger, greed, overattachment, ego, and jealousy. Such souls always support injustice and are severely punished by God here as well as after death in hell.

They are attached to illegitimate worldly bonds and they often neglect or even cause harm to their legitimate bonds. In other words, they engage in illegitimate relations and illegitimate ways of earning money.

Pravṛtti is the middle stage in which the soul possesses good qualities and always supports justice. Such a soul is blessed by God with happiness here and happiness in heaven after death. This soul rejects illegitimate bonds while maintaining a limited attachment to the legitimate bonds.

Nivṛtti is the stage in which the soul is completely filled with the real love for God. Such a soul goes beyond justice and injustice. This soul rejects all worldly bonds, both legitimate and illegitimate, and is totally fascinated with having a single bond with God (Ekabhaktirviśiṣyate—Gita). In this stage, all the worldly bonds drop off naturally, as a result of the divine bond to God.

There is not the slightest force involved in this detachment from worldly bonds. Nivṛtti means total detachment since all worldly bonds are totally dropped in this stage.

If a person leaves his lawful wife due to his attraction for a prostitute, he is on the downward journey from pravṛtti to duṣpravṛtti. If a person leaves his lawful wife due to his attraction for God, he is on the upward journey from pravṛtti to nivṛtti. A soul starting from the lowest stage of duṣpravṛtti must first reach the middle stage of pravṛtti before proceeding to nivṛtti.

The first part of the journey, from duṣpravṛtti to pravṛtti, is described in the Rāmāyaṇam and the Mahābhāratam. The second part of the journey, from pravṛtti to nivṛtti, is described in the Bhāgavatam. The Bhagavat Gita speaks about both these parts of the journey in both the upward and downward directions. Hence, it is recognized as the total authority for both ethical knowledge (pravṛtti) as well as spiritual knowledge (nivṛtti).
True Nivṛtti

Nivṛtti does not mean the dropping of all bonds since the mind cannot remain without any bond. Nivṛtti means the natural dropping off of all worldly bonds due to the formation of a single, extremely strong bond with God. If the mind is forced to not have any bond, it is both unnatural and impossible. A person’s soul is awareness and the thoughts and qualities in the awareness are the mind. The mind naturally seeks objects and develops bonds. Forcing the mind to be without bonds or thoughts is forcing oneself to become inert, like a stone.

It is a pity that Advaita philosophers take a lot of effort to attain this unnatural forced state. They try to drop all their worldly bonds, feeling that the world is unreal and illusory. If all the worldly bonds drop off naturally due to the strong bond with God, then that state is correct. But these Advaitins do not have any bond with God because they feel that they are already God. Having a bond with oneself is meaningless!

They neither have a bond with God nor do they have a bond with the world. This is a forced state of the mind which they call as the state of Advaita or monism. But unfortunately, it is neither the true state of monism nor can it be sustained for a long time.

The Advaita philosopher Totāpuri criticized Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa for His inability to reach this forced state of ‘monism’. Later, one day, Totāpuri developed a severe stomach-ache. It was so unbearable that he even tried to end his life.

But even that failed. Then, the universal Divine Mother appeared to him and preached to him the path of devotion to God, which is based on the fundamental dualism between God and the soul. It was the path that Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had followed all along.

Hence, in all the three stages of duṣpravṛtti, pravṛtti, and nivṛtti, the soul always remains in a state of dualism with God. It cannot reach the state of God in which this world becomes unreal to the soul. Therefore, nivṛtti does not simply mean the dropping of all bonds.

It only means the dropping of all worldly bonds due to the formation of a very strong bond with God, which is based on a fundamental dualism between God and the soul. From the angle of the soul, this fundamental dualism alone is true at all times. Monism is true only from the angle of the absolute God.
Overcoming the Six Vices in the Journey
Duṣpravṛtti is the result of the attachment to illegitimate sex (kāma), illegitimate anger (krodha) and illegitimate greed (lobha). The three are said to be the three main gates to hell in the Gita. Naturally, pravṛtti means rejecting the above three vices and adopting the opposite good qualities, which are legitimate sex, legitimate anger, and legitimate greed.

Overattachment (moha) to illegitimate worldly bonds leads to duṣpravṛtti while limited attachment to legitimate worldly bonds leads to pravṛtti. Excessive attachment even to the legitimate worldly bonds is a danger because it provokes the soul to commit sins.

The attachment to legitimate worldly bonds can be reduced by developing attachment to God. The attachment to illegitimate worldly bonds can be completely eliminated with a combination of the fear of hell and the faith in God.

Faith in God, the fear of hell and the development of devotion to God together completely reform the soul. The soul then rises from the first stage of duṣpravṛtti, through the middle state of pravṛtti, all the way to the third stage of nivṛtti.

The last three vices are illegitimate attachment (moha), ego (mada) and jealousy (mātsarya). They automatically get associated with the first three vices which are illegitimate lust, anger and greed. Moha is the overattachment towards worldly bonds. But the worldly bonds are related to lust and greed. So, overattachment is related to lust and greed.

Similarly, one develops pride or ego due to materialistic achievements, which are related to greed. One also develops jealousy (mātsarya) towards fellow humans based on their worldly achievements. So, the last three vices are based on the first three vices. Therefore, only the first three are stressed in the Gita as the three main gates to hell.