. . . Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (Colossians 1:12-13).

If you’re born again, you’re already delivered from the power of satan, and translated into the Kingdom of God’s dear Son. God is not going to deliver you any more than He’s already done. You don’t need deliverance from satan. By virtue of the new birth, you’ve been made superior to satan and therefore not subject to him and his demons.

It’s wrong for any child of God to continually seek deliverance, as some do, moving from one deliverance session to the other. Such folks will never be delivered because they’re busy looking for something that’s already theirs. I’m aware however, that there could be certain young converts who due to ignorance of the Word, could be oppressed by satan. They need the knowledge of God’s Word on how to exercise their authority in Christ and say “No” to satan’s manipulations.

God couldn’t have made a new creation that’s subject to the devil. Rather, He made us superior to the cohorts of darkness, giving us power and authority to cast them out (Luke 10:19, Mark 16:17). It’s only the man or woman that’s ignorant of the Word of God that goes about seeking to be delivered from satanic bondage. This is one of the reasons you have to be a functional member in a thriving Church, where the Word of God is taught, believed and lived!

When you know the Word for yourself you’ll be able to tell the devil off, and keep him in his place – under your feet. Get to know the Word and apply it to every area of your life, and you’ll always operate from the stand-point of victory.

Prayer
Dear heavenly Father, I thank you for the power in the Name of Jesus and for your Word by which I live. In your Word I find safety and strength; and by it I have authority over all principalities and powers, thrones and dominions, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come. Amen.

Further Study
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Ya jerry-curl pastor sef!

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@ Joagbaje, Is this not the same thing I've been teaching and you sometimes disagree with me? The word of God is forever settled and we can't amend the truth. Well, pastor Chris is 100% right!

Goshen360: @ Joagbaje, Is this not the same thing I've been teaching and you sometimes disagree with me? The word of God is forever settled and we can't amend the truth. Well, pastor Chris is 100% right!

It's the terminology "Deliverance" that he is against. He is not denying the fact that a christian can be demonized . I won't call it deliverance ,I will call it " casting out devil"

@Joagbaje I didn't c him talking abt terminology. D very concept of deliverance for the christian is a misnomer. D Holy spirit dt has been deposited in our spirit is d one who made Jesus the Christ. Whn d deliverer is being delivered then their is no hope for the world. The christian CANNOT be demonized if he has received d precious spirit of God.
ANYONE teaching deliverance to/for christians is a baby & nt fit to lead God's ppl. I'm almost tempted to call such a fraud bt I knw dt ignorance is their main issue.

Matt 17:21 Jesus said "Howbeit this kind goeth out not but by fasting and prayers.
The disciple of our Lord Jesus could not cure a mad boy,because the case was a deliverance case.

Deliverance is the state of being delivered or rescued.
Every born again child of God has received deliverance c/o the blood of Jesus to an extent,because christianity is a process.
Some have received total deliverance depending on their foundation.
Some would still need more fasting and prayers if their foundation has been faulty .You can only be righteous when you are born again and the spirit of God is living inside you.Because you are born again does not mean that the holy spirit has taken total control of your life.That is why:
We see some pastors lusting after young girls,married women,some actualy commiting the act.
We have seen pastors dropping their ministry for politics.
We have seen powerless born again christians and pastors, with little or no holy spirit living inside them being molested by witches.
We have seen a born again, who just finished preaching the gospel, fighting the conductor in the bus.

When you are born again you have the licence to enter the kingdom of God and reign with our Lord Jesus christ, if you live a holy life.
Then to be born again does not mean that you will become holy immediately.A smoker and drunker that just got born again will still have to descipline himself to be able to live above sin.It is not authomatic.

Despite that if your foundation is for example Idol worshipper,mascurade worshipper ,and where there are generational curse running in the family, such cases need fasting and prayers .The bible says if the foundation is destroyed,what can the righteous ,who has the holy spirit living inside him,do.
Deliverance is a special fasting and prayer session.
The foundation of an idol worshipper is faulty.Powers of darkness may no longer have power over him again,but if he has swallowed a live serpent b4 he bcame born again,he needs special fasting and prayers to vomit all the evil things he has swallowed.

When you get born again the holy spirit can come in full measure inside you and you will start to speak in tonques ,depending on your foundation and the spirit inside you b4 u became born again.
Some it is years after they have dropped all their bad habits b4 the holy spirit can possese them.

Fingers are not equal.We have to realise that b4 we became born again, we used to have different bad habits and life styles ,that have put some in bondage.Some have demons living inside them that dictates for them.It can tell some to stand up and go to night clubs,by suggestion.Some to commit adultery ,some to start to watch porn, some are anger,it would tell them to fight if not people will say you are a fool.The parents of some ,in the bid to get wealth have gone into convenant with the devil and his agents,which the children would inherit, unless by fasting and prayers and renouncing the convenant.
The parents of some are christians ,so the foundation or the versel of such are clean easily when they get born again they will receive the power of the holy spirit, and can easily drop all their bad habits.Spirit wives or husband just dont go easily when you get born again.You must pray and fast over it.That is dileliverance. Some spirit can be there without your knowledge.

How many christians are born again?
If someone slaps us can we turn the other cheek?
If we found £3,000 on the ground,can we take it to the police station?
Dont we gossip,backbite,keep malice,hate some people,have pride ,hate being corrected?
Do we keep God's commandment 100%.
If not ,then we need deliverance because the spirit behind the sins is still inside us hidden.It might not go except by fasting and prayers

In summary , deliverance can come for some when they get born again.
It can be years after reading your bible,attending church services and listening to the sermons.
It can be by special fasting and prayers and renouncing evil covenants and quoting the word of God.
It is when we are completely delivered from the above, that the scripture will be applicable.It is not every born again christian that has been delivered from the power of darkness,but have started the process of the being delivered.If the above sins are there, we have not
been translated into the kingdom of the Lord Jesus.
If we have been translated , we will speak in tongues, hear from God,see visions, heal the sick ,cast out demons ,lay hands on the sick and they shall recovered.
Many of us are born again but not completely delivered from sins,as long as the sins are there the power of dakness has control over he person, thereby hindering the holy spirit.

For some of these spirits to go,we need some fasting and prayers and then, in the name of the deliverance master Jesus ,the spirits will bow.

enilove: Matt 17:21 Jesus said "Howbeit this kind goeth out not but by fasting and prayers.
The disciple of our Lord Jesus could not cure a mad boy,because the case was a deliverance case.

Deliverance is the state of being delivered or rescued.
Every born again child of God has received deliverance c/o the blood of Jesus to an extent,because christianity is a process.
Some have received total deliverance depending on their foundation.
Some would still need more fasting and prayers if their foundation has been faulty .You can only be righteous when you are born again and the spirit of God is living inside you.Because you are born again does not mean that the holy spirit has taken total control of your life.That is why:
We see some pastors lusting after young girls,married women,some actualy commiting the act.
We have seen pastors dropping their ministry for politics.
We have seen powerless born again christians and pastors, with little or no holy spirit living inside them being molested by witches.
We have seen a born again, who just finished preaching the gospel, fighting the conductor in the bus.

When you are born again you have the licence to enter the kingdom of God and reign with our Lord Jesus christ, if you live a holy life.
Then to be born again does not mean that you will become holy immediately.A smoker and drunker that just got born again will still have to descipline himself to be able to live above sin.It is not authomatic.

Despite that if your foundation is for example Idol worshipper,mascurade worshipper ,and where there are generational curse running in the family, such cases need fasting and prayers .The bible says if the foundation is destroyed,what can the righteous ,who has the holy spirit living inside him,do.
Deliverance is a special fasting and prayer session.
The foundation of an idol worshipper is faulty.Powers of darkness may no longer have power over him again,but if he has swallowed a live serpent b4 he bcame born again,he needs special fasting and prayers to vomit all the evil things he has swallowed.

When you get born again the holy spirit can come in full measure inside you and you will start to speak in tonques ,depending on your foundation and the spirit inside you b4 u became born again.
Some it is years after they have dropped all their bad habits b4 the holy spirit can possese them.

Fingers are not equal.We have to realise that b4 we became born again, we used to have different bad habits and life styles ,that have put some in bondage.Some have demons living inside them that dictates for them.It can tell some to stand up and go to night clubs,by suggestion.Some to commit adultery ,some to start to watch porn, some are anger,it would tell them to fight if not people will say you are a fool.The parents of some ,in the bid to get wealth have gone into convenant with the devil and his agents,which the children would inherit, unless by fasting and prayers and renouncing the convenant.
The parents of some are christians ,so the foundation or the versel of such are clean easily when they get born again they will receive the power of the holy spirit, and can easily drop all their bad habits.Spirit wives or husband just dont go easily when you get born again.You must pray and fast over it.That is dileliverance. Some spirit can be there without your knowledge.

How many christians are born again?
If someone slaps us can we turn the other cheek?
If we found £3,000 on the ground,can we take it to the police station?
Dont we gossip,backbite,keep malice,hate some people,have pride ,hate being corrected?
Do we keep God's commandment 100%.
If not ,then we need deliverance because the spirit behind the sins is still inside us hidden.It might not go except by fasting and prayers

In summary , deliverance can come for some when they get born again.
It can be years after reading your bible,attending church services and listening to the sermons.
It can be by special fasting and prayers and renouncing evil covenants and quoting the word of God.
It is when we are completely delivered from the above, that the scripture will be applicable.It is not every born again christian that has been delivered from the power of darkness,but have started the process of the being delivered.If the above sins are there, we have not
been translated into the kingdom of the Lord Jesus.
If we have been translated , we will speak in tongues, hear from God,see visions, heal the sick ,cast out demons ,lay hands on the sick and they shall recovered.
Many of us are born again but not completely delivered from sins,as long as the sins are there the power of dakness has control over he person, thereby hindering the holy spirit.

For some of these spirits to go,we need some fasting and prayers and then, in the name of the deliverance master Jesus ,the spirits will bow.

As many as recieved Him,to them gave He power to Become(progressive tense)the sons of God.

@enilove
Ur reasoning is d very kind dt keeps ppl in bondage.
U shall knw d truth & d truth shall make u free. The knowledge of d truth puts u above irrelevances like these.
Wht foundation r u talking abt? U obviously don't understand dt if any man b in Christ he is a new creature. It means u hv bn born into the fatherhood of God. Christ is now ur foundation. The concept of evil foundation is a false teaching used to scare ppl. Being born again transports u 2 become a son of God.so ur foundation now is christ.
Regarding the non-behavioural changes, when u receive d life of Christ ur faculties r unchanged because only ur spirit gets changed which is y Paul admonished in Roman 12 dt u should be transformed by d renewing of ur mind...
So thorough study & learning will help u become more christ-like in our day-to-day life.
Dt u r nt obeying God 100% doesn't mean u need deliverance, dts nonsense talk. Peter in his epistle told us to seek spiritual milk like new born babies (d word). Pls is it possible dt u give birth 2 a baby 2day & he/she starts exhibiting perfect human co-ordination? No. It takes constant interaction & training by parents to mould d baby. Therefore as babies in Christ we need to subject ourselves wholly to the word of God so that we may grow thereby.
In conclusion, the Christian's life is hid in Christ who is in God. He is Christ's representative on earth equipped with d Holy Spirit & seated with Christ in heavenly places. U do nt need deliverance, u need to be delivering ppl into Christ. Dts our ministry

Bobbysworld28: @Joagbaje I didn't c him talking abt terminology. D very concept of deliverance for the christian is a misnomer. D Holy spirit dt has been deposited in our spirit is d one who made Jesus the Christ. Whn d deliverer is being delivered then their is no hope for the world. The christian CANNOT be demonized if he has received d precious spirit of God.
ANYONE teaching deliverance to/for christians is a baby & nt fit to lead God's ppl. I'm almost tempted to call such a fraud bt I knw dt ignorance is their main issue.

No one is talking about deliverance. But there's uch thing as casting out devils. Hope you get my point.

Bobbysworld28: @Joagbaje I didn't c him talking abt terminology. D very concept of deliverance for the christian is a misnomer. D Holy spirit dt has been deposited in our spirit is d one who made Jesus the Christ. Whn d deliverer is being delivered then their is no hope for the world. The christian CANNOT be demonized if he has received d precious spirit of God.
ANYONE teaching deliverance to/for christians is a baby & nt fit to lead God's ppl. I'm almost tempted to call such a fraud bt I knw dt ignorance is their main issue.

Im not talking about deliverance. But there's uch thing as casting out devils. Hope you get my point.

@joagbaje
Do u think it's possible for someone 2 b full of d Holy Spirit & hv demons at d same time?
I do not deny dt some christians can allow themselves to be possessed but such ppl r babies & probably r nt aware of their rights in christ.
D Bible says as He is so r we in this world. This means we r like God himself here on earth. Evn d devil couldn't possess u if dis revelation gets into ur spirit.
A proper teaching on d life of christ in u lifts u above base things like deliverance

Bobbysworld28: @joagbaje
Do u think it's possible for someone 2 b full of d Holy Spirit & hv demons at d same time?
I do not deny dt some christians can allow themselves to be possessed but such ppl r babies & probably r nt aware of their rights in christ.
D Bible says as He is so r we in this world. This means we r like God himself here on earth. Evn d devil couldn't possess u if dis revelation gets into ur spirit.
A proper teaching on d life of christ in u lifts u above base things like deliverance

So Apostle Paul was a babe/ignorant in his stands with Christ when he wrote the book of Romans8:22-25.
You guys are funny sha.

Bobbysworld28: @joagbaje
Do u think it's possible for someone 2 b full of d Holy Spirit & hv demons at d same time?

Yes it's possible . But firstly what do you mean by being full of the holyghost

I do not deny dt some christians can allow themselves to be possessed but such ppl r babies & probably r nt aware of their rights in christ.

A christian can't be possessed by demon. POSESSION takes place in the spirit . The spirit of a christian is I dwelt by God. A demon can only dwell in the body. A christian can be oppressed by a demon, or obsessed by a demon. But a christian can't be possessed.

D Bible says as He is so r we in this world. This means we r like God himself here on earth. Evn d devil couldn't possess u if dis revelation gets into ur spirit.

Why are christiens sick? To be Demonised could be external or internal. Many sickneses are demonic. You need to cast the demon out for healing to take place

A proper teaching on d life of christ in u lifts u above base things like deliverance

Are you saying a Christian can't fall sick or be attacked by the enemy? Because of th life christ?

OGA JO If you’re born again, you’re already delivered from the power of satan, and translated into the Kingdom of God’s dear Son.

MATTHEW 24 VS 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

REVELATION 14 VS 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. I THINK TO BE FULLY SEALED AND 100 PERCENT DELIVERED YOU HAVE TO DIE IN THE LORD. MEANING YOU TOW THIS PATH TO YOUR DEATH. ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE SEALED. BEING BORN AGAIN DOES NOT DELIVER YOU FROM THE POWER OF SATAN. BEING SEALED DELIVERS YOU FROM THE POWER OF SATAN. IN FACT BEING BORN AGAIN IS WHEN SATAN MESSES WITH YOU MORE TO TRY YOU. LOTS OF PEOPLE BACKSLIDE AND THEN STRONGER DEMONS TAKE OVER THEIR LIVES. AND THEN SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE BORN AGAIN BUT THEY COMMIT ALL KINDS OF SINS. SCRIPTURE SAYS PROVERBS 16 VS 7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him SO BEING BORN AGAIN IS LIP SERVICE. DOING THE WORK UNTO THE END IS WHAT WILL DELIVER YOU FROM SHATAN.

Eph 5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit,
19 speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 always giving thanks for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
21 submitting yourselves to one another in the fear of God.

D verses above show hw 2 b filled with d Spirit. So u can deduce dt it is possible 4 a christian nt 2 b filled with d Spirit of God

D Apostle says in Eph3:19 and to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God.

U can b filled with d fullness of God u c? Demonization of d Christian shows dt he/she is a baby, simple! He is still under d base elements of dis world. U should nt yield ur body 2 d Devil (including demons & sickness). Do not let ignorance or mortal experience rob of u of d wonderful covenant of life & peace Jesus brought by his sacrifice on d cross.

Romans6:13 Do not yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but yield yourselves to God, as one alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Dt brings us to d question: can christians feel sick? D answer is yes. Bt u hv a way 2 stop it in its tracks.


Romans 8:10 And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
12 Therefore, brothers, we are not debtors to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die. But if you through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

You hv d Spirit of God to vitalise (quicken, refresh, make anew) ur mortal body. U can use his power to handle d transactions of d flesh (I.e. Demons & sickness).
Don't let d life u hv received go to waste while d devil runs amok in ur body. It is Gods temple & nt for demons.
Remember dt Jesus came dt we would hv life & live it 2 d full

@I.chuka
Pls wht is d link between redemption of d body & deliverance. If u don't understand d scripture & u want exegesis, u better ask.
Stop groping in d dark & let d light of God's word flood ur heart

Bobbysworld28: @I.chuka
Pls wht is d link between redemption of d body & deliverance. If u don't understand d scripture & u want exegesis, u better ask.
Stop groping in d dark & let d light of God's word flood ur heart

Lol,
Redemption:the action of saving or being saved from sin,error,or evil.
Deliverance:the action of being rescued or set free.
So our Deliverance is a continual process until we are fully redeemed and adopted as full grown Sons/Daughters of God...Romns8:23.
Preaching that a christain has been fully delivered the day he/she gave their life to Christ is a false doctrine.
Because Apostle Paul also groan inwardly,waiting eagerly for his full adoption as a Son and the Redemption of his body completely from sin,errors or evil.

@I.chuka
U obviously read ur bible upside-down. Let me school u:
From d beginning of d chapter d Apostle makes a clear distinction btwn d flesh & d spirit 2 d extent dt he asserts dt if u live according 2 d flesh,u r nt led by d spirit. He later urges 2 put 2 death d transactions of d flesh because sin was condemned in d flesh (meaning their is a propensity to misbehave). So those transactions which d body might want to allow r 2 be put out by d spirit to d extent dt d Spirit can vitalize ur mortal body.
Dis is wht u r constantly urged 2 do until u get d hope of ur calling- d redemption of dis body. This redemption is d new body dt was elaborated on in 1Cor 15.
Son, read d full text & nt use a verse 4 purpose 4 which it isn't intended.
God bless u

Bobbysworld28: @I.chuka
U obviously read ur bible upside-down. Let me school u:
From d beginning of d chapter d Apostle makes a clear distinction btwn d flesh & d spirit 2 d extent dt he asserts dt if u live according 2 d flesh,u r nt led by d spirit. He later urges 2 put 2 death d transactions of d flesh because sin was condemned in d flesh (meaning their is a propensity to misbehave). So those transactions which d body might want to allow r 2 be put out by d spirit to d extent dt d Spirit can vitalize ur mortal body.
Dis is wht u r constantly urged 2 do until u get d hope of ur calling- d redemption of dis body. This redemption is d new body dt was elaborated on in 1Cor 15.
Son, read d full text & nt use a verse 4 purpose 4 which it isn't intended.
God bless u

Lol,so someone can quote the scriptures upside down to your understanding abi?dude you are funny sha!
Back To the topic,are you trying to insinuate that you guys have been fully redeemed bodily,while Apostle Paul still groans and wait for his full redemption in the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Stop spewing this false Gospel PLEASE!!!

@I.chuka
FACE PALM MOMENT!
Please read my post & answer ur question. I answered it. If u want further exegesis I am here.
Ps: I'm nt spewing trash, read ur bible & let it redefine ur thinking. It is nt good 2 come studying with pre-conceived notions.
Stay blessed

Wht is d false Gospel? Dt u cannot be demonized? If u could, hw come Jesus told us 2 make disciples of all nations ... Cast out demons...?
Demons from whom? Urself? Incredible.
Babies knw no better. A mature Christian cannot be demonized, simple! And u can take dt 2 d bank.

I can't just understand where those who teach a Spirit filled Christian can be demonized and hence needs deliverance get such teaching from. Show me one Christian in the early church that became a Christ and Spirit filled and still was attending more than one deliverance session. You people should just stop insulting the finished work of Christ.

May God help the church.

Goshen360: I can't just understand where those who teach a Spirit filled Christian can be demonized and hence needs deliverance get such teaching from. Show me one Christian in the early church that became a Christ and Spirit filled and still was attending more than one deliverance session. You people should just stop insulting the finished work of Christ.

May God help the church.

lol.....

Goshen360: I can't just understand where those who teach a Spirit filled Christian can be demonized and hence needs deliverance get such teaching from. Show me one Christian in the early church that became a Christ and Spirit filled and still was attending more than one deliverance session. You people should just stop insulting the finished work of Christ.

May God help the church.

Key word spirit filled. I think we play with words a lot. There are different kinds so spirits/ demons. Spirit of disobedience, lying, stealing etc. True a spirit filled Christian should be filled with the spirit of God and we know light and darkness can not co exist and whom the son of man sets free is free indeed. However the key word there is should.

Deliverance to some could mean freedom from satanic bondage of some sort and to others it could be from minor habits that do not glorify God. In as much as we hate to admit it- we are spirit, soul and body. Our flesh is in constant battle with the spirit. So even though God did it already we have to continually renew ourselves to overcome this battle with the flesh- that again could be deliverance to some in fact to all.

We truly are saved/ delivered by grace but I am of the believe that we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. In winning any battle in life- you need to be fully aware of your opponents. For example an opponent could be generational issues such as poverty, premature death, barrenness, working like an elephant eating like an ant syndrome' If you are not aware of these things you could fall victim to them. If cancer runs in a family it is only wise to have periodical health screenings.

We have a lot of dedicated Christians but only a few understand the relationship that exists with their creator and the principles in this relationship. There are different keys to different doors- I may be praying a instead of praying b and that avails nothing. I don't believe in constant deliverance on a particular issue but once delivered one has to stay delivered. One has to constantly be in fellowship with God and not give the opponent a foothold because if given they would return in multitudes.

The prayer of deliverance does not necessarily have to involve falling down and displaying it could be a simple prayer of- father deliver me from my enemies or father deliver me from the spirit of laziness - this actually shows you acknowledging your imperfections and your reliance on the power of God to deliver. Sitting down and saying God already did it is not necessarily wrong but you have to make sure you have the faith to back off that statement otherwise you would just be pilling up demons.

Many problems Christians go through are demonic. Sickness,fear,addiction,oppression, Where do sickness come from? It's ,softly by spirit of infirmity. Demons can influence a christian and obsess his mind.
Many negative emotions are demonic. Self pity,fear of rejection. Anger, bitterness,unforgiveness . What about habits? Addictions to sex,lust,etc. many of theses things are demonic.
What of oppression. Like barrenness, financial struggle. Family curses etc.

@joagbaje
I c trying 2 show u d light of d true gospel is like talking 2 a rock. Hv it ur way then. Conduct a thorough study of ur rights in Christ so dt u may understand wht it means 2 come 2 maturity & outgrow childishness of d spirit.
For instance, on d issue of addictions u r taught to put them away. God help ur ignorance

WAM?:


Key word spirit filled. I think we play with words a lot. There are different kinds so spirits/ demons. S pirit of disobedience, lying, stealing etc. True a spirit filled Christian should be filled with the spirit of God and we know light and darkness can not co exist and whom the son of man sets free is free indeed. However the key word there is should.

First, when I said filled with the Spirit (notice my capitalization here and in the comment you responded to) - That's how scripture distinguish between Holy Spirit and human or other evil spirits. By that Capitalization, I meant Spirit of God not spirit as in human spirit or other demonic/satanic spirit(s). I think you're the one mixing things up as you capitalized you "S" when you mentioned spirit of disobedience, lying, stealing etc.

Now, here is the truth you just said - "we know light and darkness can not co exist and whom the son of man sets free is free indeed". If Christ set us free and we're free INDEED. Why do we then attend further unending deliverance sessions year in, year out? This means what Christ did was free but NOT free INDEED.

WAM?:


Deliverance to some could mean freedom from satanic bondage of some sort and to others it could be from minor habits that do not glorify God. In as much as we hate to admit it- we are spirit, soul and body. Our flesh is in constant battle with the spirit. So even though God did it already we have to continually renew ourselves to overcome this battle with the flesh- that again could be deliverance to some in fact to all.

@ Bold in black. I agree with you BUT NOT Christians.

@ Bold in red. When a Christian is born again and still indulges in some habits that doesn't glorify God, THAT'S NOT THE DEVIL ANYMORE, THAT'S THE WORK OF THE FLESH! Such Christian has to train and discipline his/her flesh, renew his/her mind through the word of God and prayer and fasting if possible. Such Christian has to put his/her body (UN-regenerated part) under subjection. THAT'S NOT THE DEVIL OR SATANIC BONDAGE, THAT'S TO CRUCIFY THE FLESH!...because your flesh as you said, is never born again and always at war with the spirit.

New Living Translation
Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. - Romans 6:16

WAM?:


We truly are saved/ delivered by grace but I am of the believe that we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. In winning any battle in life- you need to be fully aware of your opponents. For example an opponent could be generational issues such as poverty, premature death, barrenness, working like an elephant eating like an ant syndrome' If you are not aware of these things you could fall victim to them. If cancer runs in a family it is only wise to have periodical health screenings.

@ Bold in black. So your interpretation of working out our salvation with fear and trembling means engaging in an UN-ending deliverance?

@ Bold in red. When I was a baby Christian (I do not claim to know it all now though), my former church always pray the prayer of Jabez in an attempt to break generational curse(s). When I understood what Christ did on the cross and have come to accept full redemption in Christ Jesus, I understand there's NO generational curse for those who are in Christ Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree. - Galatians 3:13

In this verse, there's the part that says we're redeemed (past tense) from the curse of the law. However, there's a deeper or greater dimension BEYOND being redeemed from curse of the law and that's BEING MADE (Past tense) A CURSE. How can a Christian STILL carry curse when Christ has already being made a curse? When a Christian still carry so called generational curse, it's either such Christian doesn't know his/her right and privilege in Christ or such Christian is masquerading (I do not by any means judge). No Christian in the early Church ever went for constant deliverance session.

WAM?:


We have a lot of dedicated Christians but only a few understand the relationship that exists with their creator and the principles in this relationship. There are different keys to different doors- I may be praying a instead of praying b and that avails nothing. I don't believe in constant deliverance on a particular issue but once delivered one has to stay delivered. One has to constantly be in fellowship with God and not give the opponent a foothold because if given they would return in multitudes.

@ Bold in black. I agree with you and that's why we need the Holy Spirit to help us pray for we know not what to pray but the Spirit helps us to pray.

@ Bold in red. You don't believe in constant deliverance and yet you advocate deliverance for Christians. I agree that once delivered we must stay delivered just like once saved, we must stay saved. You already gave the solution or answer to how we as Christians can stay delivered - One has to constantly be in fellowship with God. The only I will add to that is that, we must be filled with the Spirit of God and allow the Spirit of God to guide and lead us.

WAM?:


The prayer of deliverance does not necessarily have to involve falling down and displaying it could be a simple prayer of- father deliver me from my enemies or father deliver me from the spirit of laziness - this actually shows you acknowledging your imperfections and your reliance on the power of God to deliver. Sitting down and saying God already did it is not necessarily wrong but you have to make sure you have the faith to back off that statement otherwise you would just be pilling up demons.

@ Bold in black. But the deliverance session carried out in most churches are actually done by falling and catching people that wants to fall and displaying.

@ Bold in red. There's no such thing as spirit of laziness. Everything is not the devil. Most things are our flesh and our irresponsibility. Christian must take responsibility for the lives. If someone is lazy, that's not demon or any sort of satanic influence. As for our enemies, we know who we're in battle with as listed in Ephesians 6. Christ already defeated Satan and we walk in that victory.

@ Bold in green. When God saves a man and such man comes to Christ, he still have responsibility to subject his body. That's not God's responsibility anymore. We have to subject our flesh under control. The flesh is not born again and nothing good in the flesh. That a Christian is manifesting the works of the flesh is NOT demonic attack or any sort of satanic spell but such person allowed the flesh to rule over him/her.

Joagbaje: Many problems Christians go through are demonic. Sickness,fear,addiction,oppression, Where do sickness come from? It's ,softly by spirit of infirmity. Demons can influence a christian and obsess his mind.

I do not intend to argue this statement above but ANY Christian that is being oppressed doesn't know who they are in Christ. Addiction is a function of indiscipline and inability to take responsibility - to subject the body under control and being allowed to follow the dictates of the flesh. You will need to show us a Christian that was demon influenced or possessed in the early church please.

Joagbaje:
Many negative emotions are demonic. Self pity,fear of rejection. Anger, bitterness,unforgiveness . What about habits? Addictions to sex,lust,etc. many of theses things are demonic.

Joagbaje, where did you get all these things from? Emotion demonic? Habit demonic? Where did you get all these things from? The bible NEVER called illicit sex, lust, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness etc demonic; the bible calls it WORKS OF THE FLESH. It's the flesh that still controls such Christian(s) that is at work, not demons. The Corinthian church are full of bitterness, malice, strife, contention, jealousy and even many s.exual issues, are they also demonic? Did Apostle Paul or any other Apostle conducted any deliverance session for them? They're Christians but they are such Christians being controlled by the flesh. Why do you ascribe every or most problem(s) in the life of a Christian with demon(s)?

You're simply promoting a gospel of irresponsibility for Christians. As per fear, God has not given Christians the spirit of fear. So what we need to teach Christians is that, fear is of the devil and not part of our redemptive package. You can as well tell us that bathing 4 times daily is demonic because I understand some people like bathing 4-5 times daily and since it's an habit they've developed our the years, then can as well say they're demonic.

Joagbaje:
What of oppression. Like barrenness, financial struggle. Family curses etc.

I'm just sick and tired of this your gospel. Again, you can tell us that all those who were barren in the bible were demonic. Those who were poor in the bible were demonic also. Family curses for Christians? or for unbelievers who have not come to Christ? On the cross, Christ BECAME a curse himself. He became the SINNER (who knew no sin) for our redemption. He became the SACRIFICIAL LAMB that was slain for the sins of the world. Again, I understand that some Christians do not know their rights and privileges in Christ; hence they still chase deliverance all about.

Like I replied to WAM above there,

Goshen360:

King James 2000 Bible
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree. - Galatians 3:13

In this verse, there's the part that says we're redeemed (past tense) from the curse of the law. However, there's a deeper or greater dimension BEYOND being redeemed from curse of the law and that's BEING MADE (past tense) A CURSE. How can a Christian STILL carry curse when Christ has already being made OR HAD ALREADY BECAME a curse? When a Christian still carry so called generational curse, it's either such Christian doesn't know his/her right and privilege in Christ or such Christian is masquerading (I do not by any means judge). No Christian in the early Church ever went for constant deliverance session.

Thank you Goshen

Goshen360:

First, when I said filled with the Spirit (notice my capitalization here and in the comment you responded to) - That's how scripture distinguish between Holy Spirit and human or other evil spirits. By that Capitalization, I meant Spirit of God not spirit as in human spirit or other demonic/satanic spirit(s). I think you're the one mixing things up as you capitalized you "S" when you mentioned spirit of disobedience, lying, stealing etc.

Now, here is the truth you just said - "we know light and darkness can not co exist and whom the son of man sets free is free indeed". If Christ set us free and we're free INDEED. Why do we then attend further unending deliverance sessions year in, year out? This means what Christ did was free but NOT free INDEED.




@ Bold in black. I agree with you BUT NOT Christians.

@ Bold in red. When a Christian is born again and still indulges in some habits that doesn't glorify God, THAT'S NOT THE DEVIL ANYMORE, THAT'S THE WORK OF THE FLESH! Such Christian has to train and discipline his/her flesh, renew his/her mind through the word of God and prayer and fasting if possible. Such Christian has to put his/her body (UN-regenerated part) under subjection. THAT'S NOT THE DEVIL OR SATANIC BONDAGE, THAT'S TO CRUCIFY THE FLESH!...because your flesh as you said, is never born again and always at war with the spirit.

New Living Translation
Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. - Romans 6:16




@ Bold in black. So your interpretation of working out our salvation with fear and trembling means engaging in an UN-ending deliverance?

@ Bold in red. When I was a baby Christian (I do not claim to know it all now though), my former church always pray the prayer of Jabez in an attempt to break generational curse(s). When I understood what Christ did on the cross and have come to accept full redemption in Christ Jesus, I understand there's NO generational curse for those who are in Christ Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree. - Galatians 3:13

In this verse, there's the part that says we're redeemed (past tense) from the curse of the law. However, there's a deeper or greater dimension BEYOND being redeemed from curse of the law and that's BEING MADE (Past tense) A CURSE. How can a Christian STILL carry curse when Christ has already being made a curse? When a Christian still carry so called generational curse, it's either such Christian doesn't know his/her right and privilege in Christ or such Christian is masquerading (I do not by any means judge). No Christian in the early Church ever went for constant deliverance session.




@ Bold in black. I agree with you and that's why we need the Holy Spirit to help us pray for we know not what to pray but the Spirit helps us to pray.

@ Bold in red. You don't believe in constant deliverance and yet you advocate deliverance for Christians. I agree that once delivered we must stay delivered just like once saved, we must stay saved. You already gave the solution or answer to how we as Christians can stay delivered - One has to constantly be in fellowship with God. The only I will add to that is that, we must be filled with the Spirit of God and allow the Spirit of God to guide and lead us.




@ Bold in black. But the deliverance session carried out in most churches are actually done by falling and catching people that wants to fall and displaying.

@ Bold in red. There's no such thing as spirit of laziness. Everything is not the devil. Most things are our flesh and our irresponsibility. Christian must take responsibility for the lives. If someone is lazy, that's not demon or any sort of satanic influence. As for our enemies, we know who we're in battle with as listed in Ephesians 6. Christ already defeated Satan and we walk in that victory.

@ Bold in green. When God saves a man and such man comes to Christ, he still have responsibility to subject his body. That's not God's responsibility anymore. We have to subject our flesh under control. The flesh is not born again and nothing good in the flesh. That a Christian is manifesting the works of the flesh is NOT demonic attack or any sort of satanic spell but such person allowed the flesh to rule over him/her.

i agree with ur stand on deliverance, but ur "once saved alway saved" is just interesting calvinist jagon. Scripture doesnt preach that.

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Oga mi, please don't misquote or misunderstand me o. I NEVER teach once saved forever saved o. I was drawing analogy perhaps. Thank you.