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Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)

570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies



Origins

To understand Islam, you must understand the harsh circumstances into which the religion was born.  The Arabian Peninsula at the time of Muhammad (b.570 AD) was a barren and desolate region with a scorching sun and oppressive heat by day, and a chilling cold at night.  There was little vegetative growth, and the nomadic inhabitants lived between jagged rocks and shifting sand dunes.

While Europe and much of the Middle East was transitioning from the Roman to the Byzantine Empire, with roads, irrigation canals, aqueducts, and a culture that included philosophical discourse and theater, the Arabians lived short and brutal lives in warring tribes with little to offer the rest of the world beyond their own harsh existence.

This partly explains the inherent hostility within the religion to music and art, which some extremists, such as the Taliban, take quite literally.  Islam does not encourage the pursuit of knowledge outside of itself, and it has sometimes been referred to as “the religion which has produced nothing but religion” (from Oriana Fallaci, The Rage and the Pride)

The inhospitable climate protected the peninsula from conquest and cultural influence, although the Persians did manage to impose a written language along the coastal edges of the region, which is the origin of Arabic.  No foreign army felt that sheep and goats were worth taking from the desert fighters and the area was remarkably isolated.  The renaissance of knowledge that the rest of the world had been experiencing since the Greek revival was largely missed out on by the Arabs, whose entire energies were devoted to daily survival against the ruthless environment and other tribes.

For these people, morality was dictated merely by necessity, and obligations did not extend beyond one’s tribe.  This is a critical basis for the development of the Islamic attitude toward those outside the faith, including the moral principle that the ethics of any act are determined only by whether or not it benefits Muslims.

There were pagan religious traditions in Arabia, particularly among those based in the trading centers, such as Mecca, where Muhammad was born.  Some of these towns had Kaabas - cube-like structures that would attract pilgrims during holy months.  The Kaaba at Mecca housed various idols, including the black meteorite that remains to this day.

In addition to the black rock, Muhammad's Quraish tribe worshipped a moon god called Allah.  Other gods were recognized as well and the town of Mecca was renowned for religious tolerance, where people of all faiths could come and pray at the Kaaba.  (This would later change once Muhammad gained the power to establish his authority by force).

Islam was created both from these crude pagan practices and from the basic theological elements of Christianity and Judaism as Muhammad understood them (often erroneously - his inaccurate interpretation of Christianity, for example, is often attributed to an early experience with fringe cults in the Palestinian region, then known as Syria).


Early Life at Mecca

Muhammad was born around 570 AD to a widowed mother who died just six years later.  He grew up poor and orphaned on the margins of society, which was controlled by tribal chiefs and trading merchants.  He worked for his uncle, Abu Talib, as a camel herder.  Although his uncle had some standing in the community, Muhammad himself did not rise above his lowly station until he was 25, when he met and married a wealthy widow, Khadija, who was 15 years older.

His wife's trading business not only nurtured Muhammad's natural talents of persuasion, but it also gave the successful salesman an opportunity to travel and acquire knowledge that was not as accessible to the local population.  He would later use this to his advantage by incorporating the stories that he had come across into his "revelations" from Allah, particularly the tales from the earlier religions, Judaism and Christianity.

Having attained a comfortable lifestyle and the idle time that wealth affords, Muhammad would wander off occasionally for periods of meditation and contemplation.  One day, at the age of 40, he told his wife that he had been visited by the angel Gabriel.  Thus began a series of "revelations" which lasted almost until his death 23 years later.  The Qur’an is a collection of words that Muhammad attributed to Allah.  The Hadith is a collection of narrations of the life and deeds of Muhammad.  The Sira is his recorded biography.  The Sunnah is said to be Muhammad's way of life, on which Islamic law (Sharia) is based.

With his wife’s influence and support, Muhammad proclaimed himself a prophet in same "lineage" as that of Abraham and Jesus, and began trying to convert those around him to his new religion.  He narrated the Quran to those who believed him, telling them that it was the word of Allah (heard only by himself, of course).  Curiously, Allah seemed preoccupied with making sure Muslims knew to obey Muhammad's every earthly wish - repeating this mandate at least 20 times in the narration of the Quran.

In the beginning, Muhammad did his best to compromise his teachings with the predominant beliefs of the community’s elders, such as combining all 300 of their idols under the name “Allah.”  His amalgamation of Judeo-Christian theology and pagan tradition grew more sophisticated over time.  He also used his "revelations from Allah" to repeatedly affirm his own position.  Even if he did not remember all of the Biblical stories correctly, for example, each one was conspicuously modified to incorporate a common theme: "Believe in the Messenger (Muhammad) or suffer the consequences."


Preaching and Persecution at Mecca

According to early Muslim historians, the Meccans did not mind Muhammad practicing his religion, nor did they feel threatened by his promotion of it.  This changed only after the self-proclaimed prophet began attacking their religion, including the customs and ancestors of the people (Ibn Ishaq 167).  This was enough to stir up the resentment of the influential leaders of Mecca, who then mocked his humble background against his pretentious claims.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad was Persecuted for Preaching Islam)

Still, Mecca at the time was a remarkably tolerant society.  Muhammad was allowed to attack the local customs for thirteen years, even though the town's economy depended on the annual pilgrimage attended by visiting pagans, whose religion he actively disparaged.

At first, Muhammad was only successful with friends and family.  After thirteen years, “the street preacher” could boast of only about a hundred determined followers, who called themselves Muslims.  His first convert, outside of his wife, was his young cousin Ali (who would later become his son-in-law and the fourth caliph of Islam).  Another early convert was Abu Bakr, a wealthy merchant whose money and credulous acceptance of Muhammad can be credited with the survival of the fledgling cult.

Relations with the Meccans turned particularly sour after an episode known as "the Satanic Verses," in which Muhammad agreed to recognize the local gods in addition to Allah.  This delighted the Meccans, who generously extended their welcome.  But Muhammad soon changed his mind after seeing his own people begin to lose faith in him.  He claimed that Satan had spoken through him, and he rescinded recognition of the Meccan gods (Tabari 1192, Quran 22:52 &  53:19-26).

The locals intensified their mockery of Muslims and made life particularly difficult for some of them.  Although Muslims today often use the word "persecution" to describe this ordeal (justifiably, in some cases), it is important to note that the earliest and most reliable biographers (Ibn Ishaq and al-Tabari) record the death of only one Muslim during this period, an older woman who died from stress.

This fact is a source of embarrassment to modern apologists, who do not like admitting that Muslims were the first to become violent at Mecca (see MYTH: The Meccans Drew First Blood against Muhammad) and that Muhammad was the first to resort to militancy,  and at a later time, when it was entirely unnecessary.

To deal with this unpleasant truth, sympathetic narratives of the early Meccan years usually exaggerate the struggle of the Muslims with claims that they were "under constant torture."  They may also include apocryphal accounts that are unsupported by earliest and most reliable historians (see MYTH: Persecution of Muslims at Mecca - Many Deaths).

Modern storytellers and filmmakers (such as those behind 1976's The Message) have even been known to invent fictional victims of Meccan murder, either to dramatize their own tale or to provide justification for what followed.  But, in fact, the only Muslim whose life was truly in danger was that of Muhammad - after 13 years of being allowed to mock the local religion.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad was Tortured at Mecca).


The Hijra - Flight from Mecca to Medina

The death of his uncle, Abu Talib, in 619 left Muhammad without a protector against the Meccan leadership, which was gradually losing patience with him.  The true agitator in this situation, however, is quite clearly Muhammad himself, as even Muslim historians note.  Consider this account of what happened at Abu Talib's deathbed, as the Meccans implored him a final time for peace with his nephew:

[Muhammad's chief adversary] Abu Sufyan, with other sundry notables, went to Abu Talib and said: "You know the trouble that exists between us and your nephew, so call him and let us make an agreement that he will leave us alone and we will leave him alone; let him have his religion and we will have ours." (Ibn Ishaq 278)

Muhammad rejected the offer of peaceful co-existence.  His new religion was obviously intended to dominate the others, not be on equal standing with them.  Meanwhile, the Muslims were beginning to become violent with the people around them.

Muhammad's search for political alliance led him to make a treaty of war against the Meccans with the people of Medina, another Arab town far to the north (Ibn Ishaq 299-301).  This was the last straw for the Meccans, who finally decided to capture Muhammad and put him to death.  (see also MYTH: Muhammad and his Muslims Fled Mecca because of Persecution)

Although this sounds harsh against Western standards, it is important to note the contrast between the Meccan reaction and that of Muhammad when he had the opportunity to deal with perceived treachery in Medina at a later date on the part of those who hadn't even harmed anyone.

The Meccans limited their deadly aggression to Muhammad himself.  This is quite clear from the episode in which Muhammad escapes his home by using his son-in-law, Ali, to trick his would-be assassins into thinking that they had him trapped (Ibn Ishaq 326).  No harm was done to Ali or his wife, both of whom subsequently remained in the city for several days to complete the transfer of Muhammad's family business to Medina.

Compare this to the episode of the Banu Qurayza (below), in which Muhammad slaughtered an entire tribe of people based on their leader having switched loyalties in a conflict in which none of them even participated.

The year that Muhammad fled Mecca for Medina was 622, which marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.


Medina and the Origin of Jihad

Stinging from the rejection of his own town and tribe, Muhammad's message quickly become more intolerant and ruthless - particularly as he gained power.  Islam's holiest book clearly reflects this contrast, with the later parts of the Quran adding  violence and earthly defeats at the hands of Muslims to the woes of eternal damnation that the earlier parts of the book promises those who will not believe in Muhammad.

It was at Medina that Islam evolved from a relatively peaceful religion borrowed from others and into a military force that was intended to govern all aspects of society.  During these last ten years of Muhammad's life, infidels were evicted or enslaved, converted upon point of death and even rounded up and slaughtered depending on expediency.

To fund his quest for control, Muhammad first directed his followers to raid Meccan caravans in the holy months, when the victims would least expect it.  This was despite the fact that the Meccans were not bothering him in Medina (see MYTH: Muhammad and his Muslims were Persecuted by the Meccans at Medina).

Revelations "from Allah" were conveniently provided to Muhammad which allowed his people to murder innocent drivers and steal in his service (Ibn Ishaq 426).  The people around him gradually developed a lust for things that could be taken in battle, including material comforts and captured women and children.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Raided Caravans to Retrieve Stolen Property).

Often the people captured in battle would be brought before the self-proclaimed prophet, where they would plead for their lives, arguing, for example, that they would never have treated the Muslims that way.  The traditions are quite clear in portraying Muhammad as largely unmoved by their pleas, and ordering their deaths anyway, often by horrible means.  In one case, he orders a man slain, telling him that “Hell” will take care of the poor fellow’s orphaned daughter (Ishaq 459).  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Killed Captives)

The raids on caravans preceded the first major battle involving a Muslim army, the Battle of Badr.  This was the spot where the Meccans had sent their own army to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders.  Although, Muslims today like to claim that they only attack others in self-defense, this was clearly not the case in Muhammad's time.  In fact, he had to compel his reluctant warriors with promises of paradise and assurances that their religion was more important than the lives of others.  (See also MYTH: The Battle of Badr was Defensive).


The Consolidation of Power

Muhammad defeated the Meccan army at Badr, which emboldened him to begin dividing and conquering the three local Jewish tribes at Medina.  Their mistake was to accept the Muslim presence, but reject Muhammad's claim that he was in the line of Jewish prophets.  His stories from the Torah simply did not agree with their own.  (Muhammad's recited version of Bible stories sounds more like fragmented fairy tales with the same moral - believe in his personal claim to be a prophet or else).

How these three tribes, the Banu Qaynuqa, the Banu Nadir, and the Banu Quyrayza met their fate is insightful into the Muslim mindset, which employs an inherent double standard in its relations with those outside the faith.

First, to try and gain their favor, Muhammad briefly preached that Christians and Jews could attain salvation through their own faith.  In fact, he changed his followers' direction for prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, which prompted the Jews' tolerance of him while he worked surreptitiously for the power to evict them.  These earlier concessions and teachings were later revoked by Muhammad, since the Jews ultimately refused his religion.  The rare early verses of tolerance in the Quran are abrogated by later verses such as 9:29.

The Jews' knowledge of the Torah naturally threatened the Muslim leader's credibility, since it easily refuted the claims that he made about himself as a prophet of God.  They also saw through the Biblical narrations that he had picked up from secondhand sources and knew that these contradicted established revelation.  Conveniently, Allah stepped in to tell Muhammad that the Jews had deliberately corrupted their own texts to hide the very evidence of his own prophethood that he had previously insisted existed.  (To this day, Muslims have never been able to produce a copy of the "true" Torah or Gospel to which their own Quran refers).

While the Jews remained unconvinced by such obvious gimmickry, Arab polytheists converted to Islam in large numbers, which soon gave Muhammad the power to make his intentions clear that Islam would be imposed by force:

While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."  Bukhari 53:392

The Jews of Mecca were the first in a very long line of unfortunate people to be offered the opportunity to convert to Islam under obvious duress.  Forcible conversion is very much a Muslim tradition started by Muhammad (see MYTH: Muhammad Rejected Conversions to Islam made under Duress)

Since they chose to hold on to their religion (and their property) Muhammad looked for reasons to go to war against the Jews at Medina.  According to some Muslims, the first tribe, the Qaynuqa, were driven from their homes and land on the pretext that one of their own had harassed a Muslim woman.  Although the offender was killed prior to this by a Muslim, the Muslim was also killed by Jews in retaliation for the first murder.

After laying siege to the entire community and defeating the tribe, Muhammad wanted to put every male member to death, but was talked out of it by an associate - something that Allah later "rebuked" him for.  The Qaynuqa were forced into exile and the Muslims took their possessions and property, making it their own.  Muhammad personally reserved a fifth of the ill-gotten gain for himself (a rule that he was sure to include in the Quran).

This episode helped ingrain within Islam the immature principle of group identity, whereby any member of a religion or social unit outside of Islam is just as guilty as any of their peers who insult or harm a Muslim - and just as deserving of punishment.  (Muhammad's punishments usually did not fit the crime).

Members of the second tribe, the Banu Nadir, were accused by Muhammad of plotting to kill him.  What is most intriguing about this episode is that it occurred after the Muslims had killed several prominent Jews on Muhammad's order, including a leader of the Banu Nadir (named Ka'b al-Ashraf).  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Approved of Murder)

When the prophet of Islam learned that he might be targeted in retaliation (something that he claimed was "revealed" to him by Allah), he promptly laid siege to the Banu Nadir community.  After forcing them to surrender, these original inhabitants of Medina were then banished from their homes and land by the Muslim newcomers, who again started to take as much as they could for themselves (Ibn Ishaq 653).  (To the disappointment of his people, this time Muhammad produced a revelation from Allah that allowed him to confiscate the entire portion for himself).

In a critical example of how deception is sanctioned under Islam, a surviving contingent of the Banu Nadir (under Usayr ibn Zarim) was later tricked into leaving their fortress by promise of peace talks.  The contingent of Muslims sent by Muhammad to "escort" them, however, easily slaughtered the victims once they let down their guard (Ibn Ishaq 981).   (See also MYTH: Muhammad always Disapproved of Dishonesty).


The Qurayza Massacre

By the time the Banu Qurayza met their fate, Muhammad was wealthy and powerful from his defeat of the other two tribes.

The Jews of the Banu Qurayza tasted Muhammad's wrath after their leader half-heartedly sided with the Meccan army during a siege of Medina (the Battle of the Trench).  By then, Muhammad had evicted the other Jews and declared that all land at Medina belonged to him, so the original constitution of the town was no longer in effect.  It is important to note that the Qurayza did not attack the Muslims, even after switching loyalties (contrary to another popular myth).

Although the Qurayza surrendered peacefully to the Muslims, Muhammad determined to have every man of the tribe executed, along with every boy that had reached the initial stages of puberty (between the ages of 12 and 14).  He ordered a ditch dug outside of the town and had the victims brought to him in several groups.  Each person would be forced to kneel, and their head would be cut off and then dumped along with the body into the trench.

Between 700 and 900 men and boys were slaughtered by the Muslims after their surrender.

The surviving children of the men became slaves of the Muslims, and their widows became sex slaves.  This included the Jewish girl, Rayhana, who became one of Muhammad's personal concubines the very night that her husband was killed.  The prophet of Islam apparently "enjoyed her pleasures" (ie. violated her) even as the very execution of her people was taking place.

In some ways, women were much like any other possession taken in battle, to be done with however their captors pleased.  But Muslims found them useful in other ways as well.  In fact, one of the methods by which Islam owed its expansion down through the centuries was through the reproductive capabilities of captured women.  In addition to four wives, a man was allowed an unlimited number of sex slaves, with the only rule being that any resulting children would automatically be Muslim.

Muhammad ordered that a fifth of the women taken captive be reserved for him.  Many were absorbed into his personal stable of sex slaves that he maintained in addition to his eleven wives.  Others were doled out like party favors to others.  (See MYTH: Muhammad was an Abolitionist)

At one point following a battle, Muhammad provided instructions on how women should be violated after capture, telling his men not to worry about Reproduction interruptus, since "Allah has written whom he is going to create."  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Approved of violation)

Following the battle against the Hunain, late in his life, Muhammad's men were reluctant to violation the captured women in front of their husbands (who were apparently still alive to witness the abomination), but Allah came to the rescue with a handy "revelation" that allowed the debauchery.  (This is the origin of Sura 4:24 according to Abu Dawud 2150).


The Origin of Islamic Imperialism

From Medina, Muhammad waged a campaign of terror, to which he openly attributed his success (Bukhari 52:220).  His gang of robbers launched raids in which hapless communities were savaged, looted, murdered and violated.  The tribes around the Muslims began to convert to Islam out of self-preservation.

The excuse for military campaign began to shrink to the point that it hardly existed at all.  Muhammad told his followers that Muslims were meant to rule over other people.  Supremacist teachings became the driving force behind Jihad (see also MYTH: Muhammad Waged War Only in Self-Defense) and Jihad became the driving force behind Islam.

The brutal conquest of the people of Khaybar, a peaceful farming community that was not at war with the Muslims, is a striking example.  Muhammad marched in secret, took them by surprise and easily defeated them.  He had many of the men killed, simply for defending their town.  He enslaved women and children and had surviving men live on the land as virtual serfs, paying Muslims an ongoing share of their crops not to attack them again.

Muhammad suspected that the town's treasurer was holding out and had his men barbarically torture the poor fellow by building a fire on his chest until he revealed the location of hidden treasure.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Approved Torture).

Afterwards, the prophet of Islam beheaded the man and "married" his wife on the same day that she became a widow (she was forced to first pass through the hands of one of his lieutenants).  Given that the woman's father was also killed by Muhammad, it isn't much of a stretch to say that true love had very little to do with this "marriage."


A Life of Hedonism and Narcissism

Muhammad's personal life became the picture of hedonism and excess, all justified by frequent “revelations.”  (See also MYTH: Muhammad was a Brave Warrior who Trusted in Allah to Protect him).  In his later years, he frequently used his influence for purely personal goals, including sex, wealth and power.  Allah's authority for him to pursue these earthly ambitions were even immortalized in the Quran.

The same man who earlier in his career had justified his claims as a prophet by saying that he "asked for no reward" from others, reversed course and began to demand a fifth or more of all booty taken from conquered tribes.  According to his biographers, he became fat from living off this enormous share of ill-gotten gain.

In the span of a dozen years, he married eleven women and had access to an array of sex slaves (see MYTH: Muhammad Married Multiple Women as a Favor to them).  When he wanted a woman, even if she were the wife of another man, his own daughter-in-law, or a child as young as 6-years-old (see MYTH: Muhammad Condemned Pedophilia), Muhammad was able to justify his lust and inevitable consummation with an appeal to Allah’s revealed will for his sex life - which was then preserved forever in the Quran, to be faithfully memorized by future generations for whom it has no possible relevance.

The first verse of Sura 66 is a good example of this.  It was narrated by Muhammad to his wives shortly after two of them pressured him into not visiting a favorite sex slave:

O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful  (Quran 66:1)
Allah (according to Muhammad) was so upset with his prophet for denying himself an afternoon of pleasure with the concubine that Allah had provided for him that it was a good thing for Muhammad that Allah was a forgiving and merciful god!

(For the Muslim faithful, it must surely be a source of embarrassment that Allah evidently had more interest in Muhammad's personal sex life than he did about tolerance or universal love.  The god of Islam encourages sex with slaves in several other places as well).

Muhammad used eternal paradise and damnation to solicit strict obedience to his every command: "Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me will not enter it’” (Bukhari 92.384)

The prophet of Islam was an extremely superstitious person, leaving many bizarre rules for Muslims to follow, including which direction they should defecate and how many stones they should wash their anus with afterwards (any odd number,  for anyone who's curious).  (See also MYTH: Muhammad did Away with Superstition).  Sketchy hygiene apparently left him with an annoying lice infection.

Not content with waiting for Allah to act on his behalf, Muhammad had personal critics executed, including poets.  One of these was a mother of five children, who was stabbed to death by Muhammad's envoy after a suckling infant was removed from her bosom (see MYTH: Muhammad Never Killed Women).  Other innocent people were killed merely because they were of a different religion, sometimes including children (see MYTH: Muhammad Never Killed Children).

The glaring double standards of Islam were ingrained by the prophet of Islam during his lifetime.  This included commands to execute apostates (those who wish to leave Islam) and evict people of other religion from their homes.

An elderly woman named Umm Qirfa once ran afoul of Muhammad merely by fighting back when her tribe was targeted by Muslim raiders.  Muhammad's adopted son tied the woman's legs separately to two camels, then set the camels off in opposite directions, tearing the woman's body in two.  He also killed her two sons - presumably in gruesome fashion - and made her daughter into a sex slave.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Killed the Elderly).

Today's Muslims inherit this legacy of self-consumption and disregard for those outside the faith.  They may or may not agree with terrorist attacks on non-Muslims, but they are nearly united in their belief that the victims have no right to strike back, even if it is in self-defense.

The Quran distinguishes Muslims from others, bestowing the highest praise for believers while heaping the vilest condemnation on those outside the faith.  Islam is a true supremacist ideology.  (See also Is the Quran Hate Speech?)


The Taking of Mecca

Though many of the Arab and Jewish tribes were eliminated and absorbed through military victory and forced conversion, the city of Mecca remained.

In 628, six years after fleeing, Muhammad’s followers were allowed to re-enter the city under an agreement whereby he set aside his title as “Prophet of Allah.”  This was a temporary ploy that enabled him to gain a political foothold in the city through the same “fifth column” activities that are still used today by organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), which use their host’s language of religious tolerance to disguise an ulterior agenda that includes systematic discrimination against non-Muslims.

Many of his followers were disappointed that Muhammad had made concessions to the Meccans, not understanding how it actually fit perfectly with his ultimate agenda of domination.  It was during this time that he led the campaign against the Khaybar, to assuage their lust for blood, women and loot.

Technically, Muhammad was the first to break the treaty with the Meccans when he violated the portion of it that restricted him from accepting members of the other tribe into his camp.  His own people also staged deadly raids on Meccan caravans (see MYTH: The Meccans were the First to Break the Treaty of Hudaibiya).  Although he evidently had no personal obligation to the treaty, the prophet of Islam held the other party to the letter of the law, particularly after he amassed the power to conquer in overwhelming fashion.

The excuse that Muhammad eventually used to march his armies into Mecca was provided when a tribe allied to the Meccans conducted a raid on a tribe allied with the Medinans.  Although a true man of peace would have heeded the fact that his enemy did not want war, and used non-violent means to resolve the tension while respecting sovereignty, Muhammad merely wanted power and vengeance.  (See also MYTH: Muhammad always Chose Peace over War).

In just under a decade, Muhammad had evolved from trying to sell himself as a Judeo-Christian prophet, seeking followers, to an Arab warlord, seeking subjects, slaves and total dominance.  The early Quran (of Mecca) tells unbelievers to 'follow the example' of Muhammad or suffer Hell.  The later Quran (of Medina) tells unbelievers to 'obey' Muhammad or suffer death.

Following Mecca's surrender, Muhammad put to death those who had previously insulted him (see also MYTH: Muhammad was a Forgiving Man).  One of the persons sentenced was his former scribe, who had written revelations that Muhammad said were from Allah.  The scribe had previously recommended changes to the wording that Muhammad offered (based on some of the bad grammar and ineloquent language of "Allah"wink and Muhammad agreed.  This caused the scribe to apostatize, based on his belief that real revelations should have been immutable.

Although the scribe escaped death by "converting to Islam" at the point of a sword, others weren't so lucky.  One was a slave girl who was executed on Muhammad's order because she had written songs mocking him.

In what would also become the model for future Muslim military conquests, those Meccans who would not convert to Islam were required to accept third-class status.  Not surprisingly, almost the entire city - which had previously rejected his message - immediately "converted" to Islam once Muhammad came back with a sword in this hand.  This included has adversary, Abu Sufyan, who was bluntly ordered to "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head."

Those who would not convert to Islam were banned from the city a few months later - again underscoring the dual ethics of Islam.  When Muhammad was previously banned from Mecca, he described it as a "persecution" that justified his "slaughter" of those who prevented him from performing the Haj.  Yet, when he attained power, he immediately chased anyone who would not convert to Islam from Mecca and prevented them from performing the Haj.

To this day, people of other religions are barred even from entering Mecca, the city where Muhammad was free to preach in contradiction to the established religion.  Islam is far less tolerant even than the more primitive Arab religion that it supplanted.  A person preaching the original Arab polytheism on the streets of Mecca today would be quickly executed.


Jihad and Jizya

Tellingly, some of the most violent verses in the Quran were handed down following Muhammad's ascension to power, when there was no threat to the Muslim people.  The 9th Sura of the Quran exhorts Muslims to Jihad and dominance over other religions:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."  (9:29)

The verse that follows curses Christians and Jews by name and says "May Allah destroy them" (as with other sections of the Quran, it is unclear whether it is Allah or Muhammad speaking).

Before his death, Muhammad ordered 30,000 men to march on Christian lands (which were Byzantine at the time).  It is possible that he believed false rumors of an army amassed against him, but there is absolutely no evidence of such a force having been assembled.  Instead, Muhammad subjugated the local people and extorted "protection" money from them - something that has come to be known as the jizya (a tax that non-Muslims pay to Muslims).

Another episode from this period that offers insight into the legacy of Muhammad is the forced conversion of the al-Harith, one of the last Arab tribes to hold out against Muslim hegemony.  Muhammad gave the chief of the tribe three days to accept Islam before sending his army to destroy them.

Not surprisingly, the entire people immediately embraced the Religion of Peace!

Most Arab tribes recognized Muhammad's quest for power and wisely pledged their political allegiance without a fight.  This quickly presented a problem for his core band of followers, however, since they had become used to living off of what could be stolen from others via raids and battle.

Since it was against the rules to attack fellow Muslims, Muhammad began demanding tribute from his new "converts" instead, but this proved to be less profitable than the jizya - not to mention that it carried the risk of internal resentment and strife.

Khaybar, the remote Jewish city that had been turned into a sharecropper state on behalf of its Muslim masters was a more preferable economic model for a growing Islamic empire that had become dependent on extortion justified by religious superiority.

Years before attacking Christian and Persian lands, Muhammad wrote to governors in each, telling them, "embrace Islam and you will be safe."  There was no mention of oppression or liberation cited as a justification.  The only threat these people faced would be from Muslim armies.  (Only six years later, 4,000 peasants in the modern-day Palestinian region would be slaughtered for defending their homes).

At the time, the wealth of other nations was an open source of envy among Muhammad's followers, which he promised to rectify.  The subsequent military expansion that he set in motion may have been sanctioned by Allah and powered by religious zealotry, but the underlying motives of money, sex, slaves and power were no less worldly than any other conqueror of the time.


The Legacy of Islamic Imperialism

Muhammad died of a fever in 632 at the age of 63, with his violent religion spread over most of Arabia.  His method of forcing others to convert under duress had several negative consequences, beginning with the civil wars that were immediately engaged in following his death.  Many tribes wanted out of Islam and had to be kept in the empire via horrific violence.

Abu Sufyan, the Meccan leader who was literally forced to "embrace" Islam at the point of a sword actually had the last laugh.  He skillfully worked his own family into the line of succession and his son, Muawiya, became the heir to Muhammad's empire at the expense of the prophet's own family.  In fact, Abu Sufyan almost lived to his son and grandson actually kill off Muhammad's own grandchildren under the banner of Islam.

Muhammad's failure to leave a clear successor resulted in a deep schism that quickly devolved into violence and persists to this day as the Sunni/Shia conflict.  His own family fell apart and literally went to war with each other in the first few years.  Thousands of Muslims were killed fighting each other in a battle between Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, and his adopted son, Ali.

Infidels fared no better.  Through Muhammad's teachings and example, his followers viewed worldly life as a constant physical battle between the House of Peace (Dar al-Salaam) and the House of War (Dar al-Harb).  Muslims are instructed to invite their enemies to either embrace Islam, pay jizya (protection money), or die.

Over the next fourteen centuries, the bloody legacy of this extraordinary individual would be a constant challenge to those living on the borders of the Islam’s political power.  The violence that Muslim armies would visit on people across North Africa, the Middle East, Europe and into Asia as far as the Indian subcontinent is a tribute to a founder who condoned subjugation, violation, murder and forced conversion in the cause of spreading the rule of his religion.

In Muhammad's words: "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them, "  (Bukhari 8:387)

It is certainly the basis not just for modern day terror campaigns against Western infidels (and Hindus and Buddhists) but also the broad apathy that Muslims across the world have to the violence, which is an obvious enabler.

As Indonesian cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir recently put it, "If the West wants to have peace, then they have to accept Islamic rule."

Go back to the List of Islamic Terrorist Attacks
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by vedaxcool(m): 4:34pm On Aug 15, 2011
Galatians 1:15-17 But when he who set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me, in order that I might preach among the Gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were (A) apostles before me . . .

For one thing, what does he mean by God being pleased to reveal His Son IN Paul? Paul is very much implying that he, himself, is like Christ "in the veil of flesh" just like the Roman Pontifs say they, themselves are. Secondly, Paul contradicts himself again, because first, he says that he didn't confer with flesh and blood or the Apostles but then he says that the Apostles he didn't confer with, extended the right hand of fellowship to him; meaning, they accepted and embraced him as one of them! AND in this same contradictory statement, he also subtly puts down the true Apostles! shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In the above statement, Paul very subtly claims that he has the very same authority as the true apostles do and that he is a Nazarite too! Paul therefore, exalts his calling ABOVE the Apostles, as not needing human authority! The Apostles were specifically appointed by Yah'shuah while He was alive, except Matthias who replaced Judas, but was appointed through prayer and the drawing of lots by the true Apostles. Yet Paul, is above that it seems! He didn't need the approval of any man after all; only his own! Furthermore, he basically dumps Ananias as his 'teacher' of what to do next, even though, according to his own 'vision' Ananias WAS appointed by Christ to instruct him. So what is it? Is Paul a user who discards what is no longer useful to his cause? YES.

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by vedaxcool(m): 4:37pm On Aug 15, 2011
Paul's tactic is crystal clear to me: by claiming his 'apostolic authority' came directly from GOD and not from men, he tries to make himself untouchable BY men in his self-proclaimed posititon of Apostle. He tries to make himself ABOVE being questioned and 2000 years of history have proven he did succeed!! His words; his Epistles, are like GOD'S OWN WORDS to the christian church! HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION GOD That's the exact attitude I get from christians when I try to tell them; "Uh . . . hang on a sec! You're APOSTLE IS A FRAUD!" Paul's tactic was to make it so that his own calling was 'above flesh and blood' so even what the twelve true Apostles, AND MESSIAH HIMSELF had to say, didn't and still doesn't matter even today.

Yet another contradiction comes up concerning Paul's supposed imprisonment. Did you know, he was not a true prisioner who was locked in a cell, bound in chains or left to suffer alone in any way, though he certainly claims he was a loudly so, so as to stir up pity for himself!? He was actually under house arrest at his own request and was free to come and go and have visitors too. He continued his 'missionary journeys' but on the Roman's tab this time instead of at the expense of his congregations.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Nobody: 4:41pm On Aug 15, 2011
SO YOU CANNOT DENY THE ARTICLE , INSTEAD YOU ATTACK PAUL, LOL.

grin grin grin grin

Anyway Enough said, I resign, I promise not to scare you and friends any longer, I hereby leave the forum for others to read and make their judgement.

A gentle and beloved sister lolafowowe has prompted me to back down and instead pray for you all.

Much LOVE in Christ name.

Brother FROSBEL.

N.B
Sorry I will not be replying in great detail to comments, too busy grin grin grin grin
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by vedaxcool(m): 4:46pm On Aug 15, 2011
On the road to Damascus, Saul claims to see a vision. Luke documents this account, first in Acts. Paul's own words contadict the first account of what happened on the road to Damascus. Here is the account by Luke:

Acts 9:3-9 Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do. The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one."

Paul was blinded and sent to Ananias who is to tell what his mission is and to heal his blindness. By the above account, which is apparently Paul's account, no witnesses are actually named leaving us wondering if there even were any. Apparently these witnesses heard the voice and yet, where are the names and how do we know if they really did hear anything? When Yah'shuah appeared to the twelve and to the 120, there were credible witnesses. Here, in Paul's account, there are no credible witnesses. When Yah'shuah was baptized there were witnesses: John the Baptist, the disciples of John and the voice from Heaven which they all heard. Even Andrew, Yah'shuah's Apostle, was a witness. At the transfiguration of Yah'shuah, there were also named witnesses.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by vedaxcool(m): 4:47pm On Aug 15, 2011
In Acts 22:9-13, Paul, apparently speaking through Luke, gives account of the vision agan but this time says, "Those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking with me." The first time, they saw no light but heard a voice and this time, they saw a light but didn't hear a voice. How is it, that Paul was apparently blinded by the brightness of this light but the witnesses to the light were not?

In Acts 26:13-14, Paul's tune changes yet again as he speaks with King Agrippa. The vision is suddenly even more dramatic, including that the people with him also fell to the ground.

Acts 26:13-14- At midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining round me and those who journeyed with me. And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language . .
.

Suddenly, there is no mention of Ananias or of being blinded and also, this time, Paul claims he actually sees Jesus AND that he is instructed then and there what his so called mission is to be.


shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked Paul don put them Christians on a Long thing grin grin grin grin
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Nobody: 8:04pm On Aug 15, 2011
What relationship do your comments above have to do with the main topic : 



The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth


9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.
10. Straw Man Arguments: When you put a false argument into the mouth of your opponent and then proceed to knock it down, you have only created a "straw man" argument, Muslims sometimes either misunderstand or deliberately misquote the arguments Christians give them.
Example:
Some Muslims have built a "straw man" argument that claims that we teach, "The Qur'an teaches that Allah is the Moon-god and that Muslims knowingly believe in and worship the Moon-god and his daughters." They then knock down this "straw man" argument and claim victory. Of course, we never said such nonsense. What we have said is that while the Qur'an claims that Allah is God and Muslims think they are worshipping the one true God, in reality they are worshipping a false god preached by a false prophet according to a false book.
Conclusion

The average Muslim has been deceived by Muslim apologists who use such logical fallacies without regard to reason, fact or honesty. But there are many Muslims who want to be rational in their religion and thus have an open mind to rational discourse. Once they see that their arguments are based on logical fallacies, they will be open to the wonderful news that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins on the cross.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by LagosShia: 10:52pm On Aug 15, 2011
frosbel should best be ignored.

muslims want to engage him in intellectual discussions and debates.but all he does is insult and lies and provocations.so its better to ignore him than give him room to further throw insults and get his post honored with replies.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Sweetnecta: 12:38am On Aug 16, 2011
@Frosbel: « on: Today at 04:08:28 PM »
[Quote]Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)

570 - Born in Mecca[/Quote]There was a military invasion of Makka in the year of his birth, led by Abraha riding on Elephant[s]. There is a Surah titled "The Elephant" in the Quran about it, followed by Surah Quraish. Now detail the year that Aisha [ra] was born for us, with a landmark such as how old she was in 610 when revelation started and her father became a muslim. Or if she was born later that year when her parents go divorced that very year 610. Or how many years later was she born, even though her parents never were husband and wife and Abu Bakr [ra] did not have sex with any woman he was currently married to during sex. No one is currently married to an ex-wife during sex with an ex-wife.



[Quote]- Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf

625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies[/Quote]i see a lot of assassinations, as if Muhammad killed them for his own personal desire[s], whereas he left the woman who used to throw dirt and thorns in his way alone so much so that when the woman was sick, he went to see her wishing her well and saying that he missed her dirt and thorns a statement that was so profound on the woman that she reverted into Islam, right there, whereas Ali bin AbiTalib [ra] who will say that his kindness is junior to that of Muhammad [as] in the battlefield stopped short of killing a man who spat in his face as he was about to thrust the sword inside the man. I know about the story of Ali and the this about to die man because when the man became a muslim, he reported the story to the community that Ali told him that when you spat in my face I was in rage that killing you then will be personal, while before you spat it was for the sake of Allah.

Your Bible talks about you with very verse you hate; " You are like your father the devil [my Islamic spin; he is the one that is exciting you to lies] . . ". Was there a raid before The incident of Badr; Gazwatul Badr? No. If there were the muslims would have mastered raiding and Quran would not have told them about Badr as a fight that they were not wishing to fight and Allah has commanded it on them. They would not have been ill-prepared, yet they show resolve and tell the Madinan that this Battle is not ordained on you as Muslims but on us as makkans.

The massacre of the Jewish tribe, and the destruction and subjugation of another later and the raids of the christian as you call them, were not massacre or destruction, or subjugation or raid, because a people you are able to massacre without any resistance from them or anyone else, if you are a horrific military mind, you will wipe them of the face of the map as Moses and children of Israel in your Bible wiped of the Jebusites, the hittaties, the Canaanites, the people of the city of Jericho. That was massacre, destruction, and raid all roll up in one swoop, killing even the children and animals and cutting down the trees so that nothing of them remains. Alhamdulillah, the women were not killed, so were all non-combatants; young and old, male and female. Muhammad [as] married a jew from that tribe. She is our mother [ra] and throughout her life, even after the messenger died, she never had a bad thing to say about the messenger [as]. Muhammad [as] asked her one time what her people thought of him? She replied that her father and uncle knew he was the messenger expected to come and will appear in Madina. But they couldn't accept it when the messenger turns out to be a non Jew.

Let say something to you to illustrate my point; the other day, my lovely wife has a family member who needs a husband. So she said I should find a husband for her because they believe i will do a good job. When i told her that a yoruba friend will be perfect she said to me; my dear you are the only yoruba man we need to enter our family. no others. I asked her why and true to her sincere heart, she said we cant stand yorubas. I have to laugh this woman is crazy about me, so her entire family. The yorubas didnt invade and massacre her people. Yet as my wife she told me how they fee about yorubas, and she will not be as brutally honest as the Jewish wife of the messenger [as]. She knew the messenger [as] will not kill her and has no Jew from her tribe to vent his anger on since according to you they were all alreay "massacre". yet when we look at the two victories of foreign armies on the Jews where they were carried away in exiles, you will say it is because of the sins of the Children of Israel. But when Muhammad [as] defeated them for being enemies within, Muhammad is a murderer all of a sudden?

What will Jesus be by saying that he brought war, sword and not peace, so much so that he parable-d that those who resisted the kind should be brought before the king and be slaughtered [as i recall you christians say Jesus is the king? i know you will shy away from affirming it but say instead his kingdom is not of this world. But then he is king in a parable or the parables are selective, some about him and his ministry others not about him and his ministry at all?], and finally the peaceful man behaved like a warrior and ordered swords.



[Quote]"Muhammad is a narcissist, a craddle-robber, a mass murderer,
a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman
a despoiler, a torturer, an assassin and a looter."
[b]Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone[/b]
who could prove otherwise based on Islamic texts.
The reward has gone unclaimed.[/Quote]Ali Sina lives in Canada. I blogged with him that we should appoint a mutual escrow agent. We will put up 50,000 USD each and if we win, he loses the funds and returns to Islam, if he wins he has addition 50,000 USD to use for his mission. He wrote me personally that his money will remain in "my pocket" as he puts it. Ali Sina is an Iranian probably angry with Iran and Islam and Muhammad [as] have to pay. He should change his name "Ali" because since he is not an arab, he cant claim this heritage, except through Islam, Ali clearly is a Muslim name.

Ali Sina is a little boy, spoiled by his parents over educating him in guess where "england', without giving him a thorough home training. If I were named Ogunleye for example and I revert into Islam, the name will be gone in just the moment I am no more an ogun worshiper. If it is my family name I will adopt other name and good ridden to bad thing.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Aderoux: 2:17am On Aug 18, 2011
Concerning the Prophet marriage to Aisha if u know according to his hadith and history, there are difference in opinion. Some say the Prophet told his father when he was 6yrs and married her when she was 9yrs and some said 16yrs and married her when she was 19yrs. The only fact 4 the 6yrs and 9yrs opinion is an hadith. While hadith and history supports the 16 and 19yrs opinion. The mother of aisha gave birth to aisha and asma who was 10yrs older than aisha. At d time of hijra asma was 25yrs old and the prophet ask her hand in marriage 1AH and married her 3yrs later. Aisha says i was playing with a toy when the sura Qamar was revealed and the sura was revealed 6yrs b4 hijra, then it is illogical 4 aisha to be 6yrs old 8yrs later.
The sura 24 an nur talks about d hypocrites lying that aisha commited adultery and this was revealed 6AH, aw wud  a eleven yr old be accused of adultery if she was 6yrs at that time.
We also know that fatima was 5yrs older than aisha and at the time of hijra fatima was 20yrs old.
According 2 d bible ex 32:27 to28 and numbers 31:1 to 19, 25 to 36. What do the xtian say to this verses
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by olapluto(m): 5:42am On Aug 18, 2011
Regarding the marriage of Mohammed SAW to Aisha, I have just one thing to add. If indeed it was a 'wrong' thing then, there would have been a public outcry. I do not care the age or marriage, I care about the reaction of the community. We cannot compare norms of previous centuries to current norms.
The one marriage issue which caused a debate amongst the people during the prophet(SAW) time was his marriage to Zaynab. Some people felt it was wrong at that time. However, Allah revealed a verse (I think in Suratul Ah-Zab), which was to expose what was in the Prophet's mind. If the prophet(SAW) was to conceal anything, it would have been this verse as it bothers on his concealed thoughts. However, Allah clarified issues then to serve as a model for people afterwards.
It is with this logic that I believe that Aisha's marriage was not an issue bothering on morality at all. In fact, it was well received.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by olapluto(m): 5:53am On Aug 18, 2011
And I will like to commend Mr Frosbel for his brilliant efforts at making people turn to Islam. You are doing a great job with your ridiculous lies and silly write-ups. It is making people wake up to look for the truth as regards Islam. It strengthens Muslims and challenges non-Muslims. I like you alot for that. The Quran talks about people like you alot. Welldone!
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Nobody: 9:00am On Aug 18, 2011
^^^^

The days of ignorance are over.

Ever since I was a child I always knew there was something wrong with ISLAM.

In the ARAB world and Middle east thousands are leaving ISLAM to follow Jesus.

Once they realize that Muhammad was fundamentally flawed and a great deceiver they flee ISLAM.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Nobody: 9:02am On Aug 18, 2011
Regarding the marriage of Mohammed SAW to Aisha, I have just one thing to add. If indeed it was a 'wrong' thing then, there would have been a public outcry. I do not care the age or marriage, I care about the reaction of the community. We cannot compare norms of previous centuries to current norms.


The problem is not marrying a girl at 6, but sleeping with her at 9.

This is truly disgusting and sick.

And yet you follow such a man, you deserve what you get.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by LagosShia: 10:40am On Aug 18, 2011
@the above mumu,

each time you repeat a lie that has being repeatedly refuted and answered,may God punish you.
remember,each time you do that as you're doing to spread false information,may the curse of God be upon you.

you have refused to reason or you have blocked your ears and off your brain.may you be damned.

each time you talk falsehood and repeat it to deliberately spread the wrong it,you will be cursed.that is the only thing i will tell you and continue to tell you if you dont desist.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by LagosShia: 10:47am On Aug 18, 2011
the below in this thread (post #5): https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53711.0.html has being copied and pasted into the many threads where frosbel keeps spreading nonsense.but this person does not want to hear or desist from the dirty tricks all christian missionaries are known for:clinging to falsehood for the sake of gaining followers and deceiving people,leading them to hell fire.



Notes: (AISHA WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD OR A CHILD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER)

[8] The popular version of ‘Ãisha’s youth age has been exploited by the anti-Islamic groups to attack the Prophet “for marrying a child”. The fact of the matter is that Lady ‘Ãisha was not a child when she was married in 2 AH to the Prophet. At-Tabari, the famous Muslim historian, writes that Abu Bakr’s first two wives and their children were all born in the pre-Islamic era. (Ta’rīkh at-Tabari, vol. 2 [Beirut: al-A‘lami, n.d.] p. 616.) Based on this, even if she was born a year before the commencement of Islam, ‘Ãisha would be 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage to the Prophet – an age in which marriage is common in most cultures. Ibn Kathīr, in his al-Bidãyah wa ’n-Nihãyah (vol. 8, p. 381) states that Asmã’ bint Abu Bakr, the sister of ‘Ãisha, was ten years older than ‘Ãisha. He also reports that Asmã’ died in the year 73 AH at the age of 100. Based on this calculation, ‘Ãisha was 18 or 19 years old at the time of her marriage.

[9] For more details on the Islamic perspective, see my article, “Adoption in Islam,” which is available on-line at www.jaffari.org (Section: Resources/ Resident Alim) and at www.al-islam.org

Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by PastorKun(m): 1:33pm On Aug 18, 2011
@Frosbel
Thanx for this write up, I always knew that the foundations of islam was bad and full of inconsistencies but I never knew it was this evil and hypocritical. Thanx for shedding more light on this.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Sweetnecta: 5:27pm On Aug 18, 2011
^^^^^^^^^^Pastor kun is at east consistent; Frosbel lied and he thanked him.
The Bible is not telling the truth and he reads it as his guiding light.

Jesus prayed to his God and he prayed to Jesus.
Jesus was helpless and he said Jesus is the Power.

Jesus cant create anything and he said Jesus is the very Creator.
Jesus didn't know the time of the hour and he said Jesus is the Holder of the hour.

Are you feeling me, mehn?

few bad eggs and he says the whole poultry farm must be condemned.

Who can't make up stories, if one is dishonest and have no conscience and moral, ability to speak the truth?

Some people called an unmarried man guy because he was not sexually immoral since he did not have a girlfriend/baby's mother. We the muslims know that he was not guy so we will not participate in the gutter mudslinging of the christians.

I remember a young jew bragging that he will kill Jesus again, if he sees him because he was proud of the first killing.

The christians probably will allow him, he things. He thinks the palestinian muslims will let him. It is this type of false statement that the jewish boy made that the christians relish in. Frosbel has mastered it.

Well. we know that followers are always inferior to their leaders, in good quality. except the christians who are better than Jesus they ndicate to us, if we look at the life of Jesus and their collective "life".

Can anyone tell me how Ojukwu got bianca, except bianca is not a little girl? Yet the frosbel and his group think that Aisha is only a little girl because his father is the age of Muhammad [as]. can a copyist not have made mistake by dropping 1 before 6 and 9, and the mistake continues just like the copyist did with Bible verses?
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by manmustwac(m): 7:12pm On Aug 18, 2011
Moved to islamic section
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Aderoux: 12:27am On Aug 19, 2011
On september 8 1957 edition of the Awake magazine it was published, "50000 errors in the bible". Who do we attribute this errors to? God! No that can be thats the only perfect. Quoted some verses earlier but seem u shy away from it. Check Ezekiel chapter 16 and 19 and songs of solomon 8 though other verses contain but chapter 8 would arouse the reader. Incase u think that awake article is baseless, verify for urself e.g. 2kings24:8 and 2chrn36:9, another 1chrn21:1 and 2sam24:1 another 1chrn21:12 and 2sam24:13 just to mention a few. Which is the word of God and which is the word of the devil. These statements was said by Jesus(pbuh) according to the bible matt10:34-36, luke22:36, luke19:27. I wish u dont shy away from this questions.
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by LagosShia: 2:35am On Aug 19, 2011
Pastor Kun:

@Frosbel
Thanx for this write up, I always knew that the foundations of islam was bad and full of inconsistencies but I never knew it was this evil and hypocritical. Thanx for shedding more light on this.

LOL

followers of darkness thanking themselves and ironically talking about "shedding light". cheesy
Re: The Life Of Muhammad: An Inconvenient Truth by Aderoux: 5:10am On Aug 19, 2011
Thought as much u guys would always shy away from d question. Imagine 50000 errors in the bible. How many has been corrected, no wonder there so many versions of the bible. Yet u attack muslims especially misinterpreting hadith and using unauthentic hadith and ambigous ones. Yet when its ur turn to answer u dont say anything to all those filthy words in ur bible.

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