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Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by alcaptainero: 1:15am On Nov 10, 2022
The Kremlin has ordered its forces to withdraw from the city of Kherson on the Black Sea coast in southern Ukraine.

The order comes eight months after the Russians captured Kherson and its 300,000 residents, six months after Ukrainian troops began bombarding the Kherson garrison’s supply line and two months after Ukrainian brigades launched a counteroffensive in the south aimed at liberating Kherson.

It’s a profound victory for Ukraine, and a major defeat for Russia. Arguably the biggest Russian defeat in a generation.

The Ukrainians already had the momentum in Russia’s nine-month-old wider war on Ukraine. Now it’s safe to say the Ukrainians actively are winning the war—and soon could advance on other Russian-occupied territories and cities. The destroyed historic port of Mariupol, for instance. Or even the strategic Crimean Peninsula.

The order for Russian forces to retreat to the left bank of the wide Dnipro River, which runs just south of Kherson before emptying into the Black Sea, came from Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu rather than from Russian president Vladimir Putin. In that way, Shoigu insulated his boss from the outcry that followed the announcement.

Gen. Sergey Surovikin, commander of all Russian forces in Ukraine, explained the rationale for the retreat in a report to Shoigu. With the ongoing Ukrainian bombardment of supply depots, bridges and railways, it’s no longer possible to supply tens of thousands of Russian troops north of the Dnipro, Surovikin explained. And defensive positions south of the Dnipro should be much stiffer—and better able to slow a Ukrainian assault.

Surovikin is right. But left unsaid is what happens once Ukrainian forces liberate Kherson and take up positions on the Dnipro opposite the Russians. From there, the Ukrainians with their European-made howitzers and American-made rocket-launchers easily can strike the Isthmus of Perekop, the three-mile-wide strip of land, 45 miles south of Kherson, that connects the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula to Kherson Oblast south of the Dnipro.

Crimea, which Russian troops seized from Ukraine back in 2014, is the base for all Russian operations in southern Ukraine. The pin holding together the occupation of the entire region.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has made no secret about his intention eventually to liberate Crimea. "I will go to Crimea,” Zelesnky said when asked what he’d like to do after the fighting starts. “I really want to see the sea."

For the Ukrainian military, liberating Kherson is a step toward liberating Crimea. Soon, Ukrainian rockets and gun barrels will begin zeroing in on the Isthmus of Perekop, the gateway to the occupied peninsula.

Even after losing as many as 100,000 men killed and wounded in Ukraine, the Russian army still possesses significant combat power. But probably not enough to hold everywhere all the time.

“Once Kherson is liberated and the Ukrainians cross the Dnipro River in significant numbers and capabilities, the Russians will have to make a tough choice,” noted Luke Coffey, a fellow with the Hudson Institute in Washington, D.C.

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by yerokunphilips: 2:21am On Nov 10, 2022
alcaptainero:

The Kremlin has ordered its forces to withdraw from the city of Kherson on the Black Sea coast in southern Ukraine.

The order comes eight months after the Russians captured Kherson and its 300,000 residents, six months after Ukrainian troops began bombarding the Kherson garrison’s supply line and two months after Ukrainian brigades launched a counteroffensive in the south aimed at liberating Kherson.

It’s a profound victory for Ukraine, and a major defeat for Russia. Arguably the biggest Russian defeat in a generation.

The Ukrainians already had the momentum in Russia’s nine-month-old wider war on Ukraine. Now it’s safe to say the Ukrainians actively are winning the war—and soon could advance on other Russian-occupied territories and cities. The destroyed historic port of Mariupol, for instance. Or even the strategic Crimean Peninsula.

The order for Russian forces to retreat to the left bank of the wide Dnipro River, which runs just south of Kherson before emptying into the Black Sea, came from Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu rather than from Russian president Vladimir Putin. In that way, Shoigu insulated his boss from the outcry that followed the announcement.

Gen. Sergey Surovikin, commander of all Russian forces in Ukraine, explained the rationale for the retreat in a report to Shoigu. With the ongoing Ukrainian bombardment of supply depots, bridges and railways, it’s no longer possible to supply tens of thousands of Russian troops north of the Dnipro, Surovikin explained. And defensive positions south of the Dnipro should be much stiffer—and better able to slow a Ukrainian assault.

Surovikin is right. But left unsaid is what happens once Ukrainian forces liberate Kherson and take up positions on the Dnipro opposite the Russians. From there, the Ukrainians with their European-made howitzers and American-made rocket-launchers easily can strike the Isthmus of Perekop, the three-mile-wide strip of land, 45 miles south of Kherson, that connects the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula to Kherson Oblast south of the Dnipro.

Crimea, which Russian troops seized from Ukraine back in 2014, is the base for all Russian operations in southern Ukraine. The pin holding together the occupation of the entire region.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has made no secret about his intention eventually to liberate Crimea. "I will go to Crimea,” Zelesnky said when asked what he’d like to do after the fighting starts. “I really want to see the sea."

For the Ukrainian military, liberating Kherson is a step toward liberating Crimea. Soon, Ukrainian rockets and gun barrels will begin zeroing in on the Isthmus of Perekop, the gateway to the occupied peninsula.

Even after losing as many as 100,000 men killed and wounded in Ukraine, the Russian army still possesses significant combat power. But probably not enough to hold everywhere all the time.

“Once Kherson is liberated and the Ukrainians cross the Dnipro River in significant numbers and capabilities, the Russians will have to make a tough choice,” noted Luke Coffey, a fellow with the Hudson Institute in Washington, D.C.
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by abobote: 3:59am On Nov 10, 2022
Has Russia actually lost up to 100,000 men in this war.
People are actually reporting to suit their narrative.

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by joyandfaith: 4:13am On Nov 10, 2022
abobote:
Has Russia actually lost up to 100,000 men in this war.
People are actually reporting to suit their narrative.

Can u give actual figures?

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by ObiaboAdoka(m): 5:17am On Nov 10, 2022
Dis war has caused economic hardship in most parts of d world today. We need peace in d world. D war is NO VICTORY NO VANQUISH.
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by ALLNIGERIANSMAD(m): 5:25am On Nov 10, 2022
abobote:
Has Russia actually lost up to 100,000 men in this war.
People are actually reporting to suit their narrative.
shame shame shame on Russian and all his ally worldwide, little Ukraine they claim they will finish in 6days is now a year with alot of Victory, even if Russian use Nuke today, they will still consider as a looser.

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by tempest01(m): 5:35am On Nov 10, 2022
ObiaboAdoka:
Dis war has caused economic hardship in most parts of d world today. We need peace in d world. D war is NO VICTORY NO VANQUISH.

What parts of the world? Or you are resounding APCs excuse for failure.
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by sammy7410(m): 5:59am On Nov 10, 2022
He who fight and retreat live to fight another day

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by Nobody: 6:09am On Nov 10, 2022
Why do people promote war,when life's are at stake

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by lexylaw40: 6:40am On Nov 10, 2022
deNet:
Why do people promote war,when life's are at stake
Ukraine already in ruines ...what have Russia lost .. nothing

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by kettykin: 6:56am On Nov 10, 2022
No mass starvation of women and children, no mass shooting of innocent young men and boys,no burning of shops, markets, hospitals , schools , pharmacies or private homes,i give it to Russia military for the high class professionalism

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Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by babyboy4every1: 10:33pm On Nov 10, 2022
ALLNIGERIANSMAD:
shame shame shame on Russian and all his ally worldwide, little Ukraine they claim they will finish in 6days is now a year with alot of Victory, even if Russian use Nuke today, they will still consider as a looser.
Why are you people shouting small ukrain. The 2nd biggest country in the whole of Europe you're calling small ukrain
I guess you people are saying it because others said it
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by saxywale2: 12:50am On Nov 11, 2022
babyboy4every1:

Why are you people shouting small ukrain. The 2nd biggest country in the whole of Europe you're calling small ukrain
I guess you people are saying it because others said it
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, hence the small or little Ukraine tag.
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by ALLNIGERIANSMAD(m): 5:47am On Nov 11, 2022
babyboy4every1:

Why are you people shouting small ukrain. The 2nd biggest country in the whole of Europe you're calling small ukrain
I guess you people are saying it because others said it
as big as Russian right? Russian.Chaina, North Corea, all these countries brag alots displaying military Arsenal but yet they get poor war outing
Re: Biggest Defeat For Russia In A Generation by texazzpete(m): 12:50pm On Nov 11, 2022
saxywale2:

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, hence the small or little Ukraine tag.

Ukraine barely had an army in 2014 when Russia stole Crimea. All the pre-war narratives comparing their declared arms firmly painted Ukraine as a minnow compared to Russia.

But nothing can compare to heart, to passion, to professionalism and to dedication.

Ukrainians are fighting to defend their country. Russian soldiers were there to steal washing machines. Big difference

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