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| . by Nobody: 12:53pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
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| Re: . by Kay17: 1:15pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
The proof of God's existence n origin x+2d_id |
| Re: . by claremont(m): 1:20pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Let's wait for Sexkillz to come and demonstrate how the "creator" was created!  |
| Re: . by Nobody: 3:09pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Who missed me?  |
| Re: . by Nobody: 3:37pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
claremont:GOOD! Now i'll do some definitions? CREATOR - Person who creates! CREATED - Brought into existence by a creator! Originated from a Creator! Caused by a Creator! Now the Question To the KNOW IT ALL(S) IN THE HOUSE: CAN A CREATOR BE CREATED? ***NOTE I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT GOD NOW*** |
| Re: . by Nobody: 6:31pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Read the book of genesis, the christian does not claim to have any facts other than what God has said. Dont like it, no problem. |
| Re: . by Purist(m): 6:36pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
davidylan: Really? The book of Genesis tells us who/what created God? Chapter and verse, please? |
| Re: . by Nobody: 6:40pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
^^^Clever evasion of MY earlier QUESTION! |
| Re: . by Nobody: 6:43pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Purist: Makes no sense. The christian faith rests on the belief that God is omniscient i.e. was not created by any. |
| Re: . by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 7:10pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Creation and Existence are on 2 different dimensions but can be perceived from the same level of conciousness. The Bible reveals a palatable answer to the origins of God right from Genesis. (I will get to this in a moment) The Concept of a Universal Creator is valid from the perspective of Cause and Effect i.e God must have "caused" creation and by applying (natural) human reasoning which I hope you can agree has evolved over the centuries, a bias for a Creator who is pre-existent thus existing before creation is formed. IMHO this line of reasoning (often referred to as Revelation by Theists) is misconceived largely because human reasoning at the ages was based on available information (awareness) of the surrounding environment which man knew little of. To Exist essentially implies that the subject has no discernible nor measurable point of origin and conceivably no finite close to its existence - hence It is Eternal (not to be mistook for Immortal). The dilemma in this is that every quality in the "Creators" designs (asides from the hint of structural physiological semblance) has no genealogical link to the "Creator" (unless you wish to delve into Spirit and Souls which can taint the argument unfairly) If we focus on the question of origins of which centuries of arguments has till date not unravelled, we lose sight of the most important question. What is the Creator's Purpose? The "Creator" (If we choose to follow a Theistic approach) mandates his creations with a purpose (this is Biblically and Scripturally and Atheistically palatable) If you know the Purpose, you will have a grip on the Origin. I would rather ask the question, What is the Creator's Purpose? is it to Create? I would like a Theistic view on this perhaps the answer to the Origin will reveal itself. |
| Re: . by mazaje(m): 7:23pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
davidylan: What God(the creator of the universe) said or what men wrote and kept propagating it as the sayings of God?. . .There is a great difference. . . .A lot of christians like the answers in genesis and IRC guys claim that there are scientific facts with regards to creationism, no?. . . |
| Re: . by Purist(m): 7:51pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
davidylan: Of course it does make sense. Asking the OP to read the book of Genesis to get answers to his questions suggests that the answers lie somewhere in the pages of the first book of the Bible. And besides, I thought omniscient means 'all-knowing'? |
| Re: . by Nobody: 9:17pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
mazaje: I dont believe in forcing science to agree with my faith. they both exist on two different planes. Purist: no it doesnt dude. |
| Re: . by Nobody: 10:08pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Nl atheists what is ur problem? Is it God or is it men that believes/worship God? This envy and jealousy is not making sense any longer.  |
| Re: . by Jenwitemi(m): 10:46pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
I am not an atheist, but this question is crazy simple to answer. - Since the created can also create, thus also becoming a CREATOR, then a CREATOR can be created. So back to the question; WHO CREATED THE BIBLE GOD?  sexkillz: |
| Re: . by Jenwitemi(m): 10:50pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
I am not an atheist, but i answered your question for you, already. Look above. sexkillz: |
| Re: . by Nobody: 11:40pm On Aug 25, 2011 |
Jenwitemi:Give Examples<<<<<<<<<<PLEASE?  |
| Re: . by Jenwitemi(m): 12:22am On Aug 26, 2011 |
Gladly. Let me use we humans. We were created by some creator, but we can also create a lot of things, like ideas/ideologies(religious ones, especially), all sorts of technological stuffs like computers, cars, airplanes, softwares, literatures like fictional tales, etc. And if we want to create a universe similar to this one we are living in, all we have to do is acquire enough expertise to create a 3D interactive virtual reality world. Those are all creations. sexkillz: |
| Re: . by Nobody: 12:37am On Aug 26, 2011 |
^^^ Wait for ATHEISTS to come and disagree on that! i guess you didnt get the GIST of this thread! |
| Re: . by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 8:32am On Aug 26, 2011 |
As I mentioned earlier, it seems a wild-goose hunt to determine the origin of a subject without defining its purpose. What is the creator's purpose? else y'all will be prancing about in circles like two yoruba area boys in a fight. end up getting frustrated and not landing a blow It seems this is the ultimate ending of every Theist vs. Atheist thread on Nairaland |
| Re: . by Nobody: 9:13am On Aug 26, 2011 |
lagerwhenindoubt: WORD |
| Re: . by Nobody: 9:14am On Aug 26, 2011 |
LOL @ looking for purpose of a Creator you dont believe exists! Neither do ATHEISTS know where their life came from! You bothered finding out where you life came from? If ATHEISTS finally find where their life came from, then they would know the purpose of whatever it is that gave them life! Always asking questions! CONFUSED PATHETIC BUNCH! |
| Re: . by thehomer: 9:38am On Aug 26, 2011 |
davidylan: Really? Science and your faith are on two different planes? That is the non-overlapping magisteria view that has been discredited. |
| Re: . by thehomer: 9:39am On Aug 26, 2011 |
sexkillz: Hold on now. You believe your God exists, well what is its purpose? Just to go about popping up universes then popping up humans and popping up natural disasters to afflict them with? What is his purpose? |
| Re: . by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 9:40am On Aug 26, 2011 |
sexkillz: Living up to your reputation i see . obviously you engage others purely for the purpose of irritation neither enlightenment nor inquiry. which is why you automatically assumed my posts were atheistic in character. I asked what would seem a simple question to theists and rather than provide an answer, you ask another question that does not even provide an insight to the first and reinforce it with insults to make it stick.Similar to a Faith question i posed a few months back - being the foundation of most theistic religions, no one was able to fathom how faith works and if it can be put to the test, yet it works. Ok show me methodically how to work it. and every theists went silent, If you cannot answer a question, at least have the honesty to say " I don't know the answer" if I had the answers I won't bother asking - is that out of place |
| Re: . by Nobody: 9:52am On Aug 26, 2011 |
The way you guys actually look for proof to everything baffles me! Is it not Obvious? There are SOME things that cannot be proven to EXIST! but does that mean the dont? Take TIME for example! Can you Prove TIME? Does it EXIST? Have you SEEN it? Do you Believe IT? A PERFECT CIRCLE! Can you Prove IT? Does it EXIST? Have you seen it? Do you Believe IT? The number "5"! Can you Prove it? Does it EXIST? Have you seen "5"? Belief in something does not MEAN you ALWAYS have to prove it's existence! But i'll like anyone to GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS!!! *********WAITING********* |
| Re: . by thehomer: 9:56am On Aug 26, 2011 |
sexkillz: Since you've brought up those examples, is God like time, a perfect circle or the number 5? Please let us know with a yes or no and why. You're yet to tell us what God's purpose is. |
| Re: . by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 10:09am On Aug 26, 2011 |
sexkillz: ^^^ Do Blackholes exists?, we know they do but we cannot see them. the only reason we know they exists is because they have a provable effect on their surrounding environment i.e sucking in light sources (bending light  )Time Exists because it is a measurable pivot on which physics rests your Number 5 problem is experimental mathematics known as proof by contradiction (not useful if you are looking for direct proof) I did not figure a theist to be least fond of Scientific ventures but it is good to know anyway The reason for the question is not whether it exists but why would it since it cannot provide collateral nor direct evidence that it does. the possibility exists and is not discounted, just as a theist cannot heal himself everyday by faith alone - science and medicine must come into play How about giving me some insight into my question |
| Re: . by Nobody: 10:17am On Aug 26, 2011 |
^^^ For a Scientist "like you" to say TIME Exist well. . . . . A simple search on google would tell you TIME DOES NOT EXIST! Tell me why i should take your other"fake" responses serious! |
| Re: . by Nobody: 10:20am On Aug 26, 2011 |
thehomer:Why dont you atleast try to answer the questions first! Or just say YOU DONT KNOW! I also asked if a CREATOR can be CREATED? Can you answer that >>>>>>>>SIR? |
| Re: . by Nobody: 10:23am On Aug 26, 2011 |
Largerwhenindoubt! Have you seen TIME, PERFECT CIRCLE, and 5? Why do you believe in their EXISTENCE if you have'nt seen them PHYSICALLY? |
| Re: . by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 10:30am On Aug 26, 2011 |
sexkillz: My fake time answer was intended to draw your stingy response which you did you actually try to link science with the creator Time is a human rationalization based on misinterpretation - is it okay then to say that God is actually a human rationalization based on misinterpretation since we cannot prove it therefore make it up to rationalize our own existence ? I must admit our short discourse has taxed me mentally, "spiritually" and alcoholically but IMHO neither theists nor atheists have the answer which is why in all situations both start the journey of enlightenment with great fervor but never seem to reach the end.Admit it, you do not know why you are here and where you are headed, just like many you have rationalized a lot and founded your beliefs on misinterpretation |
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