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Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by olempe(m): 9:10am On Jun 20, 2012
For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to Satan. She witnessed many of our esteemed cultural icons suffering in the Pit; singers, entertainers, and even a pope. Angelica was also shown how the Kingdom of Heaven is all wonderfully prepared and ready, an unimaginable glorious place, where no evil exists. Though Jesus is ONLY coming back for a Holy People, and many of God's children will NOT be ready on that day, and will be left behind in a world that will fall apart.
Maxima (the Mother):
My name is Maxima Zambrano Mora and we attend the "Casa de Oracion" Church in El Empalme. We were fasting for 15 days, and crying out to God. My daughter Angelica also joined us. During those fifteen days of fasting, I was able to see beyond the natural, which I've never done before. We were praying and fasting at the retreat, and even continued praying and crying out at home, waiting for God to speak to us.
The Lord gave us much encouragement. Because of our trials, we were often ready to give up, but the Lord was there to help us. He gave us Jeremiah 33:3 "Call unto me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you know not." My daughter had been emphatically requesting that from Lord, though I didn't know it at the time.
Angelica (The daughter):
My name is Angelica Elizabeth Zambrano Mora. I am 18, and study at the "Colegio José María Velazco Ibarra", here at El Cantón, El Empalme, Ecuador. I first accepted Christ when I was 12, but I told myself, "None of my friends were evangelicals and I felt strange amongst them", so I walked away from God, and lived a bad, terrible life. But God pulled me out of there. On, my 15th Birthday, I was reconciled to the Lord, but I was still double-minded. The Bible says (James 1:cool, "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways" and I was one of those persons. My dad would say, "You don't have to be like that, it looks awful, it's wrong," but I would reply, "This is the way I am, and how I want to be, nobody has to tell me how I should be, nor what I should do, nor how I should dress, or behave." He would respond, "God is going to deal with you. He is going to change you."
During my 17 birthday, I came closer to the Lord. On April 28th I came to Him and said, "Lord, I feel so bad, I know that I'm a sinner," and I told Him how I felt. "Lord, forgive me. I want You to write my name in the Book of Life and to accept me as Your child." I repented and gave back my life to the Lord. I said, "Lord, I want You to change me, to make a difference in me." I cried with all my heart, asking the Lord to change me. But, as time passed by I felt no change. The only difference was that I began to attend church, to read the Bible and to pray. That was the only change in my life.
Then, in August, I was invited to fast for 15 days. I decided to join, but before entering I said, "Lord, I want you to deal with me here." During the fast, the Lord was speaking to almost everybody, except me! It was as if the Lord had not seen me, and that hurt. I would pray, "Lord, aren't You going to deal with me?" I would cry alone and continue, "Lord, do You love me? Are You here? Are You with me? Why don't You speak to me like You do to everyone else. You speak so many things to other people, even words of prophecy, but not me." I asked for a sign that He was with me, and the Lord gave me Jeremiah 33:3, "Call to Me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know." I said, "Lord, did You just talk to me?” Because I heard His audible voice and had a vision of the words written in Jeremiah 33:3.
I said, "Lord, is that for me?" I kept it to myself, while everyone else was testifying what the Lord had given them and what they had seen. But I kept it secret and would only meditate on the words: "Call unto Me" means to pray, but what did "great and mighty things" mean? I thought, "This can only mean heaven and hell." So I said, "Lord, I only want You to show me heaven, but not hell, because I've heard that it is a horrible place." But I then prayed with all my heart, "Lord if it is Your will to show me what You must, then do so, but change me first. I want You to make a difference in me; I want to be different.”
When we finished fasting, there were trials and difficulties and sometimes I felt faint, unable to continue walking with the Lord. But He gave me strength. I started to hear His voice and know Him better. We became good friends. The Lord is our best friend, the Holy Spirit. I told Him, "Lord, You are my best friend. I want to know You better," and shared all my thoughts with Him.
I prayed during all of August and then in November, a servant of the Lord came to our house and said, "May the Lord bless you." I replied, "Amen." He then said, "I am here to bring you a message from God...you must prepare yourself, because the Lord will show you great and mighty things which you do not know. He is going to show you Heaven and Hell because you have been asking, from Jeremiah 33:3." I asked, "Yes, how did you know? I haven't told that to anyone." He responded, "The same God that you serve and praise, that very same God I also praise told me everything."
Soon we began to pray. Some sisters from our church, and others from my family were there with us praying. But as soon as we started praying, I began to see the Heavens opened. So I said, "I see the Heavens are opening, and 2 angels are coming down!" The man said, "Ask them why they are here."
They were tall and beautiful; with beautiful wings. They were large and shining, and seemed transparent, brilliant as gold. They wore crystal sandals and had on holy garments. "Why are you here?" They smiled and said, "We are here because we have a task to carry out...We are here because you must visit Heaven and Hell and we will not leave until all of this comes to pass." I responded, “very well, but I only want to visit heaven, not hell." They smiled, and stayed there, but did not say anything more. After we finished prayer, I could still see them there.
I also started to see the Holy Spirit; He is my best friend; He is Holy, He is omniscient; He is omnipresent! I could see Him, transparent and brilliant at the same time; with a brilliant countenance, I could see His smile and His loving gaze! I can hardly describe Him, because He is more beautiful than angels. The angels have their own beauty, but the Holy Spirit is far more beautiful than they are! I could hear His audible voice, a voice full of love, a passionate voice. I just can't explain His voice; a voice like lightening, yet at the same time He would say, "I am with you." so I would strive to continue walking with God, even as trials surrounded us. We were going through very difficult moments, but victorious ones at the same time. I said, "Lord, let Your will be done." I continued to notice the angels even at school, and in my classes. I was so happy, so full of joy because I could actually see them!
The servant of the Lord, who visited my house, told me to prepare myself, because I was going to see Heaven and Hell. But he also told me something difficult. He said, "You are going to die." It wasn't easy when I heard this.
"How am I going to die? I'm so young", I asked. He replied, "Don't worry about anything, everything God does is perfect, and He will bring you back to life, so you can testify about Heaven and Hell, which is what the Lord wants all of us to know about." I said, "Amen, but will I be run over by a car, how will I die?" Ideas came rushing into my mind, but the Lord told me not to worry, everything was under control. I said, "Thank You, Lord!"
On November 6th, after I returned home from school, the Angels were still with me, even while praising the Lord. They would not speak to me; all they would say was, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Hallelujah," giving glory, honour and praise to our Heavenly Father. The Holy Spirit was there along with the angels and I would rejoice. Many people say that the gospel is boring, but that is a big lie from the devil to keep people from searching for God's presence. I also used to believe this, but after I met the Lord and the Holy Spirit, I know the gospel is not boring, it is the most beautiful experience you can have on Earth!
I could see; play with, and even talk to the Holy Spirit. But the angels would not talk to me, but they would praise the Lord. I would say, "Holy Spirit come along with me to do this or that" and He would be there. I could feel and see Him.
I saw Him when He would rise to His feet, and would even prepare a seat for Him. Although many can't see Him, He is here! That relationship has continued, there's no reason to stop it, once you've experienced it…there's no way that I would withdraw. When I consider where He pulled me out from, what I was before, I am so thankful for His mercy, for all His love toward humanity and toward me!
On November 7th, when I was returning home, I heard a voice that said, "Be prepared, for you will die today," I knew it was the Holy Spirit because I could see Him. I ignored His voice and said, "Lord, I don't want to die today!" But He repeated, "Be prepared, for you will die today!" This time He said it louder and with greater force. I replied, "Lord, I know it's You talking to me; I only ask for a confirmation and after that, do with me as You will. I'll do whatever You ask, I'll surrender, even if I'm afraid, because I know You are with me and You are real."
I prayed, "Let that person you used before, bring me the message. Let him be at my home this instant, before I arrive, and let him tell me that today I will die." Now, somehow the Lord knows our past, present and future. He knew what I would request of Him. So when I arrived home, the servant of the Lord was already there.
Maxima:
When my daughter got home, we were in the kitchen. When Angelica saw the servant of the Lord, she said, "May the Lord bless you." The man of God responded, "God bless you. Are you ready? For today is the day that the Lord will take you, at 4 PM." She just stood there, astonished that the Lord had granted her request.
Angelica:
When I heard this I said, "Amen...but I don't want to die, I can't die! No, Lord, I'm afraid, very much afraid, terrified!" The servant of the Lord said, “Let's pray that your fear will leave now in the name of our Lord." I said, "Amen" and we prayed. Soon I felt all fear leave me, and an indescribable joy came, thinking that death was the best thing that could happen to me! I started to smile and laugh while everyone was looking at me. They could all see that I went from being dismal to joyful. I was smiling, jumping and singing.
Maxima:
My daughter instantly felt joy in her heart and started eating. She had a little bit of everything, saying, "If I don't return, well I've eaten and I'm full."
Angelica:
Everyone started laughing and asked, "Why are you behaving like this instead of being sad, you're happy, you're joyful?" I told them, "Of course: I'm going to see the Lord, I'm going to be with Him, but I don't know if I'll be coming back so I want to give away all my things." They all stared at me and asked, "You're going to give away all your belongings?" My Mom's eyes were wide open in surprise!
Maxima:
My daughter started giving her things away. She gave everything away, everything! Our church sisters were with us, as usual, and she gave something to every one of them. When I questioned her intentions, she said, "If I return, they can give everything back to me, but if I don't come back, then they can keep everything."
Angelica:
I can imagine how sad my Mom must have felt when I said that. But I felt so happy, that I started giving everything away: my clothes, my bed, my cell phone, everything, with one condition: If I come back, everything must be returned to me. They all started laughing.
Maxima:
She was very determined, but as a mother I felt so much sorrow. It wasn't easy. I wondered, "Lord when the moment comes, how will it be?" I couldn't understand. As they started praying, I was arranging thing in the house. They said, “sister, come let's pray." But I replied, "You go on, I will join you shortly. Just let me finish this task."
Angelica:
They were all observing me as we prayed. I prayed, "Lord, I want to do Your will. You're not a man that You would lie or repent, I know You are real. If I am going to fail You, then it's best if You just take me with You; but If I am going to do Your will, then bring me back, but help me say the truth, prepare me, help me to preach and to tell people to repent." That was my shortest prayer. I told this to the servant of the Lord and said, "Don't tell my Mom what I said to the Lord." He replied, "I won't tell her now, but once the Lord has taken you, I'll tell her." We continued praying and came together in a prayer circle.
Maxima:
At 3:30 PM, the Lord told His servant to anoint my daughter. So some of us went into the room and anointed her. He gave us two minutes to anoint her all over, from her hair down, everything, all her body. She was fully anointed.
Death
Angelica:
My Mom and another church sister, Fátima Navarrete, anointed me with oil. But as they were anointing me, I felt something covering me, like a glass that was surrounding me. It's hard to explain, I felt covered with something like armor, and I couldn't explain how I was covered. After that, when they tried to touch me, they no longer could.
Maxima:
As we were praying over Angelica, I was trying to lay my hands on her, but I couldn't touch her! She had some type of covering around her. It was strange, nobody could touch her! This covering started at the top of her head to her feet, about 30cm (12 inches). That was what shocked me the most. I've lay my hands on people before, in service to the Lord, but something like this had never happened before! I said, "Oh, something must be happening," and I started to pray and to give thanks to the Lord. Suddenly, I felt great joy. The sorrow in my heart was gone, the pain was gone, and I now felt joyful and happy! We continued praying and about at 4:00 PM, my daughter fell to the floor.
Angelica:
During prayer, I felt shortness of breath; I couldn't breathe. I felt a pain in my abdomen and in my heart. I felt my blood going dormant, and tremendous pain all over my body. All I could say was, "Lord, give me strength, give me strength!" because I felt I couldn't go on. I had no strength, it was leaving me! When I looked up to heaven, in the spiritual realm, not with my physical eyes, I saw heaven opening up. I saw angels, not two nor ten, but millions of them gathering together. In the midst of the millions of angels, I saw a Light, 10,000 times brighter than the sun. And I said, "Lord that is You who is coming!"
Maxima:
When she fell down, we tried to stand her up, but she was unable to stand on her own. At this time, we were able to touch her. She was saying, "Pray. I don't have strength, Mommy, I don't have strength and I feel pain." First, she felt pain in her heart, and then it went down near her abdomen. We kept on praying and pleading with the Lord. The Lord took her life!
Never before in my life had I seen anybody die. I had to see my daughter, as she was agonizing! It was not easy at all! I couldn't understand her last few words, and at the end she stopped. I placed my hand on her face, and a mirror to her mouth, to see if she was breathing. She had no breath, she just stood still. I held her, she was still warm, as normal. I took a sheet and covered her up, and in a short while she started to get cold, very cold. Her hair was set back, like the hair of a dead person, and she turned icy cold.
Angelica:
Jesus was coming down, and I felt my body dying. As Jesus and the Angels got closer, I felt I was leaving, that I was no longer me. I was no longer alive, I was dying, and it was agonizing! When my body fell to the floor, they were already here. My house was full of angels, and in the midst of the angels I saw a Light, stronger than the sun! It was very difficult; I felt tremendous pain, as my soul and spirit were being torn away.
I was crying and screaming, as I saw my body on the floor. I asked, "Lord, what is happening? What is happening?" I wanted to touch my body and get inside it again, but when I tried, it was like to grabbing air: I couldn't touch it. My hand went straight through it. None of those who were praying there could hear me! And I shouted, "Lord, help me!"
Maxima:
My husband arrived while we were praying, and he saw her there. The Lord gave me strength at that moment because I didn't know what to do. It was like she was in a coma, but I knew she was OK, because it was the Lord's work. So I said "Lord, let Your will be done."
The Lord Jesus Christ
Angelica:
At that moment I hear the Lord's voice, a beautiful voice with thunder and love, "Fear not, Daughter, for I am Jehovah, Your God, and I have come here to show you what I have promised you. Arise, for I am Jehovah, who holds you by your right hand and tells you, Fear not, I will help you." Suddenly, I arose. I had been kneeling down, looking at my body, wanting to get back in but not being able to. When I heard His voice, fear had left me, and I was no longer scared.
As I started walking, the angels began to open a path. There was a strong light shining, and as I gazed at it, I felt peace. As I looked, I saw a beautiful, tall, elegant, muscular man. Light was projecting from Him. There was too much light for me to see His face! But I could see His beautiful hair of brilliant gold and a white garment with a wide golden girdle that crossed His chest. It read, "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
I looked at His feet, He was wearing shiny golden sandals, of brilliant gold. He was so beautiful! He extended His hand to me. When I took His hand, it wasn't like when I touched my body, my hand did not go through it. I asked, "What is happening?" And He said, "I am going to show you hell, so that you return and tell humanity that hell is real; that hell exists. And also, My glory will I show you, for you to tell My people to be prepared, for My glory is real and I am real." He said, "Daughter, do not fear"- He said it again and I said, "Lord, it's just that I want to go to heaven, but not hell, because I've heard that it's horrible!" He said, "Daughter, I will be with you. I will not leave you in that place and I am going to show you that place because there are many who know that hell exists, but they have no fear. They believe it's a game, that hell is a joke, and many don't know about it. That is why I am going to show you that place, because there are more that perish than those that are entering My glory." When He said that, I could see tears streaming down to His garments. I asked Him, "Lord, why are you crying?" He replied, "Daughter, because there are more that perish, and I will show you this, so that you will go and tell the truth and so that you will not return to that place."
Hell
Suddenly, as He was speaking, everything started to move. The Earth shook and split open, and I saw a very dark hole below.
We were standing on a sort of rock with angels surrounding us. I said, "Lord, I don't want to go to that place!" He said, "Daughter, do not fear for I am with you." In a split second we descended into the dark hole. I tried to see but there was a terrible darkness. I did see a huge circle, and hear millions of voices.
I was so hot, I felt my skin burning. I asked, "Lord, what is this? I don't want to go to this place!" The Lord said that this was just the tunnel to hell. There was a horrible, repulsive and nauseating smell, and I begged Jesus not to take me. He responded, "Daughter, it is necessary for you to come and know this place." I cried, "But why, Lord, why?" And He said, “so that you can tell the truth to humanity; humanity perishes, it's lost and few are entering My Kingdom." (Matt 7:14) In saying this, He would weep. His words strengthened and encouraged me, so I continued walking.
We arrived at the end of a tunnel, when I looked down I saw an abyss covered in flames. The Lord said "Daughter, I give this to you." It was a large binder with blank sheets of paper. "Daughter, take this pencil so that you can write all that I will show you, what you will see and hear. You will write everything as you are observing it, as you will live it." I said, "Lord, I will do it, but I am already seeing so much, Lord. I am seeing souls being tormented, and immense flames."

Read the remaining parts here: http://myoddnews.blogspot.com/2012/06/tale-of-ecuadorian-girl-who-went-to_20.html
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by wilybabe(f): 10:01am On Jun 20, 2012
This is so last 2years
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by ayobase: 11:04am On Jun 20, 2012
A word is enough!
Where are the atheists here.
Come logically dispute this!
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Nobody: 12:00pm On Jun 20, 2012
Show us the biblical basis for this dream.

thanks


Is the word of GOD not enough
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Areaboy2(m): 12:19pm On Jun 20, 2012
When I read claims like these, one thing immediately pops out. I find it hard to believe that not everyone can pick this out. I guess the religionists have blinded their minds to common logic

why would heaven have similar things like we do?? why don't they dream of something we've never heard before so we know it was really divine and supernatural.

paper, pencils, grounds tearing open, etc....

All fcking made up!!!!!!!!! angry
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by ayobase: 1:34pm On Jun 20, 2012
frosbel: Show us the biblical basis for this dream.

thanks


Is the word of GOD not enough

Some are true.....dont despise them!
Even John was shown....dat begot d book of Revelation!
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by ayobase: 1:36pm On Jun 20, 2012
Area_boy: When I read claims like these, one thing immediately pops out. I find it hard to believe that not everyone can pick this out. I guess the religionists have blinded their minds to common logic

why would heaven have similar things like we do?? why don't they dream of something we've never heard before so we know it was really divine and supernatural.

paper, pencils, grounds tearing open, etc....

All fcking made up!!!!!!!!! angry

Earth is regarded as the image of Heaven.....SIMPLE!
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by olempe(m): 2:09pm On Jun 20, 2012
Area_boy: When I read claims like these, one thing immediately pops out. I find it hard to believe that not everyone can pick this out. I guess the religionists have blinded their minds to common logic

why would heaven have similar things like we do?? why don't they dream of something we've never heard before so we know it was really divine and supernatural.

paper, pencils, grounds tearing open, etc....

All fcking made up!!!!!!!!! angry

good point Area_boy, but the Bible already said he who has ears, let him ear...
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by olempe(m): 2:11pm On Jun 20, 2012
wilybabe: This is so last 2years

You're right, but this is the word of God, not current affairs. It's new everyday, it's not bounded by time and space...
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Zodiac61(m): 3:15pm On Jun 20, 2012
She should have stayed there.
grin grin grin grin
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by joe4christ(m): 4:18pm On Jun 20, 2012
Area_boy: When I read claims like these, one thing immediately pops out. I find it hard to believe that not everyone can pick this out. I guess the religionists have blinded their minds to common logic

why would heaven have similar things like we do?? why don't they dream of something we've never heard before so we know it was really divine and supernatural.

paper, pencils, grounds tearing open, etc....

All fcking made up!!!!!!!!! angry

And you think the modern technologies which further enhances our daily activities originated from just idealogies that has no source?
Give it a second shot and stop being shallow minded!
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by edcode(f): 5:08pm On Jun 20, 2012
Di tory long. I can not fit readam finis. undecided
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Ptolomeus(m): 5:56pm On Jun 20, 2012
You think I'm going to read all that?
Read it five times every volume of "Don Quixote de la Mancha" and I promise I read your article.
Greetings!
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by olempe(m): 6:56pm On Jun 20, 2012
edcode: Di tory long. I can not fit readam finis. undecided

I tink it's worth givin a try
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 7:49pm On Jun 20, 2012
frosbel: Show us the biblical basis for this dream.

thanks


Is the word of GOD not enough

why dont you point out areas contrary to the scriptures in the content of the testimony than condemning? For me i learn from testimonies like this except anyone that runs contrary to the scriptures. I read it in year 2010.

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Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Nobody: 8:37pm On Jun 20, 2012
The girl claiming to have seen what comes after death could very well be lying. I know there are people that are fame-freaks and they are constantly pulling different publicity stunts to get attention so untill the girl comes forward with more concrete evidence i will regard this story as bull-sh[i]i[/i]t.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 9:57pm On Jun 20, 2012
fellis: The girl claiming to have seen what comes after death could very well be lying. I know there are people that are fame-freaks and they are constantly pulling different publicity stunts to get attention so untill the girl comes forward with more concrete evidence i will regard this story as bull-sh[i]i[/i]t.
this is possible, or a demon could have decieved her. I find it surprising that she is saying the catholic church doesnt teach about hell, i think she probably missed the vision because those who say there is no hell a protestant. Besides i would be particularly interested in how you can see a spirit, a spirit is coporal.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Kay17: 10:16pm On Jun 20, 2012
My own question is why is a physical phenomenon like gravity found in heaven and hell. Thank you.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 6:45am On Jun 21, 2012
fellis: The girl claiming to have seen what comes after death could very well be lying. I know there are people that are fame-freaks and they are constantly pulling different publicity stunts to get attention so untill the girl comes forward with more concrete evidence i will regard this story as bull-sh[i]i[/i]t.

Yes people do anything for fame but not this one. She is not the first person to have experienced this. God has allowed a lot of people both christians and non christians all over the world to have this experience as a proof that what is written about it in the scripture is real. Each time you people are confronted with testimonies like this you must find away of dismissing it so as to free yourself from your so called fear of hell. Just like in the case of an exam, do you avoid taking an exam because you are afraid of the exam? The best way to overcome the fear of the exam is it not to prepare very well and face it? The truth remains that there is heaven and hell so if you like dismiss it one million times and over you will still face the reality when you cross over to death and by then it will be too late. God help you.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 6:56am On Jun 21, 2012
Kay 17: My own question is why is a physical phenomenon like gravity found in heaven and hell. Thank you.

Because we are created in God's image thats why earth and heaven share many things in common. While the ones in heaven are perfect, the ones in earth are not as perfect because of sin and satan that has spoilt this world. When we get to heaven we enjoy this things in its perfectness. Dont miss heaven my dear.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by cyrexx: 7:06am On Jun 21, 2012
ayobase: A word is enough!
Where are the atheists here.
Come logically dispute this!

here we are
the question is will you drop your religious bias and logically examine this thing for yourself.
if you have concluded before examination that the story is true, then no logical evidence will make any sense to you.
read this story below and we will continue from there.
peace.

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/angelica_zambrano.htm
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 8:22am On Jun 21, 2012
cyrexx:

here we are
the question is will you drop your religious bias and logically examine this thing for yourself.
if you have concluded before examination that the story is true, then no logical evidence will make any sense to you.
read this story below and we will continue from there.
peace.

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/angelica_zambrano.htm

My dear,the testimony is complete on its own. Its a divine message confirming to us that heaven and hell are real as the bible said. Like i said she is not the first to experience this and testify of it. Some muslims, Buhdist, Atheists and traditional worshipers all over the world have had this experience and given their life to Christ. Some of the testimonies has been posted here in time past but you people always dismiss it. The truth remains that your dismissal of this doesnt change the fact that heaven and hell are real. The earlier you face this truth and start preparing for it the better for you. We have nothing to lose if you choose not to repent but we are carrying out this assignment because Jesus commissioned us to do it. God help you.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by cyrexx: 8:52am On Jun 21, 2012
@ alexleo
dear sir, have you read the links i posted? i dont think so.

Besides, im not addressing you, but ayobase, i think you saw how he called on the atheists to challenge this story. thats exactly what im doing. nothing more nothing less

I believe we have addressed this issue you are raising here about the reality of hell in other threads and i wish not to repeat myself here.

but let me briefly reply you without going into further arguments

alexleo:
The truth remains that your dismissal of this doesnt change the fact that heaven and hell are real.

and you you think your non-dismissal of it makes it true?

how will you prove wrong a muslim that claims god took him to heaven and shown him that christians will go hell for believing that god has a son?


alexleo:
We have nothing to lose if you choose not to repent

but we have everything to gain by not surrendering our mind to religious control. we have a privileged human life and it will be foolish to mortgage it for the promise of a non-existent second life.

alexleo:
we are carrying out this assignment because Jesus commissioned us to do it. God help you.

yes, that is exactly the means by which religion has managed to spread itself through the ages. but some people have been bold enough to critically examine the contents of their religious beliefs instead of doing follow follow like the rest.

hell has been invented by most world religions as a carrot and stick mechanism to gain followers.


and lastly, sir alexleo, have you ever done any research to understand how the bible was compiled by the second century roman catholics, how some books were selected and some rejected. do you know about The Nicene Council.
how much do you know about the source of your belief system?



now over to ayobase
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 11:35am On Jun 21, 2012
cyrexx:

but we have everything to gain by not surrendering our mind to religious control. we have a privileged human life and it will be foolish to mortgage it for the promise of a non-existent second life.


.
and lastly, sir alexleo, have you ever done any research to understand how the bible was compiled by the second century roman catholics, how some books were selected and some rejected. do you know about The Nicene Council.
how much do you know about the source of your belief system?



now over to ayobase



Thanks dear, but you have no proof that there is non existent after-life when there are many people that have experienced it. Is it fair enough to dismiss what people living in different locations of the world and even various other religion said they have experienced and gave their life to Christ and say it does not exist just because you ve not experienced it? I mean in all fairness apart from the fact that it confirms the scriptures.

Concerning the bible, catholics dont even read much of the bible rather they dwell
much on the catholic books and if they wrote the bible how come they aint following it strictly? Where comes the strange doctrine and traditions we see in their system which is outside the bible?
May God help us to be close to him and may he prepare all of us for heaven. My dear brother, i always pray for you that God will draw u close to him so that you ll serve him in spirit and in truth and make heaven at last. You must not miss heaven.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Nobody: 12:08pm On Jun 21, 2012
alexleo:

Yes people do anything for fame but not this one. She is not the first person to have experienced this. God has allowed a lot of people both christians and non christians all over the world to have this experience as a proof that what is written about it in the scripture is real.
What if the others who have reported seeing the afterlife only had dreams that fit the descriptions of the afterlife that previous attention-whores gave them? What if it was just a dream/hallucination that was based on the stories they heard before?
alexleo:

Each time you people are confronted with testimonies like this you must find away of dismissing it so as to free yourself from your so called fear of hell. Just like in the case of an exam, do you avoid taking an exam because you are afraid of the exam? The best way to overcome the fear of the exam is it not to prepare very well and face it? The truth remains that there is heaven and hell so if you like dismiss it one million times and over you will still face the reality when you cross over to death and by then it will be too late. God help you.
What? grin
please sir, I am dismissing it because it didn' make sense to me and has no concrete proof, not because I am scared of hell or scared of writing any exam.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 2:08pm On Jun 21, 2012
fellis:
What? grin
please sir, I am dismissing it because it didn' make sense to me and has no concrete proof, not because I am scared of hell or scared of writing any exam.

If it doesnt make sense to you there are a lot of people it makes sense to. Cheers.


fellis:
What if the others who have reported seeing the afterlife only had dreams that fit the descriptions of the afterlife that previous attention-whores gave them? What if it was just a dream/hallucination that was based on the stories they heard before?

And what if its real at the end of the day?
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jun 21, 2012
alexleo:

If it doesnt make sense to you there are a lot of people it makes sense to. Cheers.

Cool. cool



alexleo:

And what if its real at the end of the day?

This story is not legit. I can't imagine that it is real, sorry.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by cyrexx: 2:38pm On Jun 21, 2012
@ alexleo


http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/angelica_zambrano.htm

visit this link and tell us your view, whether angelica is trustworthy or not

failure to do does it not mean that you are shying away from the truth?

cheers
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Ptolomeus(m): 7:17pm On Jun 21, 2012
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Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Kay17: 7:44pm On Jun 21, 2012
alexleo:

If it doesnt make sense to you there are a lot of people it makes sense to. Cheers.




And what if its real at the end of the day?

What if the story is false??
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by alexleo(m): 9:30pm On Jun 21, 2012
cyrexx: @ alexleo


http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/angelica_zambrano.htm

visit this link and tell us your view, whether angelica is trustworthy or not

failure to do does it not mean that you are shying away from the truth?

cheers
cyrexx: @ alexleo


http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/angelica_zambrano.htm

visit this link and tell us your view, whether angelica is trustworthy or not

failure to do does it not mean that you are shying away from the truth?

cheers


As far as am concerned the man is just misinterpreting the scriptures and i also see the devil using his interpretation to destroy this divine message. I wish i have enough time i would have have listed his own errors too.
Re: Tale Of Ecuadorian Girl Who Went To Heaven by Nobody: 9:42pm On Jun 21, 2012
alexleo:


As far as am concerned the man is just misinterpreting the scriptures and i also see the devil using his interpretation to destroy this divine message. I wish i have enough time i would have have listed his own errors too.

The message is not divine at all.

You have not quoted one scripture to validate this false dream.

Nowhere in the bible did anyone have a dream or vision of hell except in the book of revelations , the lake of fire.

Are you saying that this girl is more important than Paul and John who never talked about this nonsense.

READ YOUR BIBLE !!!

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