onumadu:
I like Obi/Datti and have been campaigning for them all these while. However, someone should please tell them that the hourly payment is not good for Nigerians. Nigeria has a lot of problems, but Nigeria also has a lot of good socioeconomic practices, some of which Nigerians have taken for granted because they don't know better. One of such practices is SALARY payment system.

In developed countries, the people who get paid salaries are top executives of companies, therefore on its face value, it may seem like a good idea to scrap the salary system in Nigeria. However if you have lived in developed countries, you would see that the get-paid-as-you-work system has many systemic problems. One of such problems is the dehumanizing nature of the system.
It is a system that can easily (and often does) replaces human workers with robots.

In many cases, the human workers are even forced to train customers to use robots, essentially training for their own future unemployment.
The salary system is an inherently human/humane system that takes into consideration the workers humanity. When a worker gets sick or unable to work, he/she still gets paid in full, because they have human commitments.

In a get-paid-as-you-work system, once a worker gets sick, s/he only gets paid for yearly assigned sick-off days, which usually lasts for about one month or six weeks max. Once the worker exhausts the sick-off days, s/he is only limited to getting part payment for government approved disability days, which is also usually exhausted quickly (matter of 3 months max), and the worker is then faced with all kinds of economic problems, which usually ends in homelessness. It happens fairly often. Getting sick in such a system is usually the cause of most homelessness. You risk being homeless once you get sick!

When I was in Nigeria, and one of my kids got sick and was rushed to a private children's hospital, the nurse that attended to us had an infant child who she brought with her to work. The baby was sleeping in a small bed next to her, and that was fine. The whole place felt human and normal, and we even enjoyed the company of her new baby. You cannot have such in a developed country, but that is the point of the humanity of the Nigerian system.

Though we often lament the lack of development in Nigeria, we should always be mindful that some of those things that develop a country also dehumanize the country.

Salary system humanizes a country, while the get-paid-as-you-work dehumanizes and creates a lot of social problems. Everything cannot be monetized; some things are beyond money.

Someone should please advise Obi-Datti to drop the get-paid-as-you-work idea, and focus on improving what Nigeria is already doing right. Salary system should be strengthened rather than replaced.

We should not jump from frying pan to fire.



Nlfpmod
Mynd44

But that's why things work in other civilised countries , not somebody sitting down chewing gum frustrating people just to get a bribe.....if na me be Obi I go do pay based on output

onumadu:


As you noted in the first bolded words, the system already includes both payment system.
The problem is that if Obi government makes it GOVERNMENT POLICY, it becomes the dominant system and once Nigerian employers see the loop holes as I have already shared in my earlier comments, they will abuse it. Ask yourself why there are LOTS of homeless people in first world countries. Nigeria is poorer, but we don't have them in similar numbers. WHY? It is a combination of social and economic reasons.

@Your second bolded words, what an elder sees sitting down a child cannot see even if he climbs Mt Everest.

Make it a policy is a vague expression. What exactly will the policy say that will employers more powerful than they are today? Hourly pay policies protect both parties. In the absence of such policies, employers could still pay hourly and employees will not have anything to reference when maltreated. So how does bringing in guidelines make things worse for employees today? If you're so concerned about the policy, then let's discuss this policy instead saying no "because he will make it a government policy".

We have homeless people every big city. Walk down the streets of Lagos at night and see how many people live under the bridge. It's a big city problem and we just happen to have more big cities in some countries. It has absolutely nothing to do with the payment system.

The same elders that put into this mess in the first place? People fear change because it disruptive. They fear the new system might turn thier lives upside down. That's why it's difficult for some people to adopt new technologies at work. Some people will go to any mile to tell you that typewriter is better than computer or than manual vehicles give a better driving experience than the automatic ones or that automating our voting system wrong. There will always be naysayers, but you can't move forward if you keep listening to them.

adekolaelect:
many of you don't lean and not ready to bcs you take everything as politics. Many of you had never enter labour market but best you know is theories and insult . Hourly pay in developed country is meant for unskill workers not official I stand to be corrected. The only advantages of those that are working Hourly abroad is just an exchange rate . Now back to Nigeria If to practice what is in abroad here is like calling someone to clear your Gutters, clean your room, care for your old one or work in a Factory hourly .mind you Nigeria currency will be used as payment . Then where is the job in Nigeria to practice this? Hourly pay practice in Nigeria will throw many Nigeria on unemployment. But once many of you only believe whatever comes out from where you put your interest is the right and best one.

The current existing jobs will be used for hourly rates.
It does not need any special type of jobs.

It would even make job creation easier because employers can plan and make proper projection.

Stop teaching yourself nonsense.

CSTRR:

The current existing jobs will be used for hourly rates.
It does not need any special type of jobs.

It would even make job creation easier because employers can plan and make proper projection.

Stop teaching yourself nonsense.

ok sir . Do you know those employed on full time will be relieved on part-time ? But many of you are worthless of arguments. Only what you know to do is to praise anything that comes out from you side of interest even if it is senseless.

Pls am fully in support of hourly pay for workers, especially we contract security officers, it means hourly pay at the end of the month na big money be that instead of this funny salary they are paying us

adekolaelect:
ok sir . Do you know those employed on full time will be relieved on part-time ? But many of you are worthless of arguments. Only what you know to do is to praise anything that comes out from you side of interest even if it is senseless.

Who told you those employed on full time will be on part-time or do you have the lived experience to back it up?

I work full-time, my rate is hourly and paid monthly as I work a block of 50 hrs in 5 days then go off for rest for another 5 days after which I resume for another block of 50hrs in 5 days...... productivity is well tracked

BATified2023:
no surprises

The same igbos that believe trump will come n conduct referendum in Nigeria n buhari was cloned can believe this

Please hold on. We're having a discussion that involves acute analysis and brain work.

Copy and paste won't work here. Check another thread.

adekolaelect:
Hourly pay in developed country is meant for unskill workers not official. I stand to be corrected

Oh nice. What is the official minimum wage in the US and how is it measured?

All the Chinese companies in Lagos use that hourly pay to calculate monthly salary.

When I say all, I mean ALL. Not one Chinese company in Nigeria frown against hourly pay. You may not like their work practices and ethics but so far, we all see how much they've grown. See, this agbero owomida thinking is why we are exchanging a dollar for N750. We have to discard that mentality completely.

Like China, you don't want to develop Nigeria again?

As long as the minimum wage per hour is decent, everyone will be fine. The honest truth is that some companies do not need you to work 8-5pm every day. They're forced to keep you because they believe you owe them at least 8 hours daily. That's a lie. You get stuck in the company doing little some days while receiving a static pay. With hourly calculation, you can simply work 5 hours daily with company A and render the same skill in company B for say 3 hours.

How else do you think countries improve productivity?

The most important thing we all should demand is a very decent and attractive hourly pay. That 30k they pay you is actually N163 per hour (if you "work" 23 days, 8-4pm job). What can be more inhumane?

onumadu:


Do you know how many Nigerian doctors left Nigeria this year alone?
Go and find out HOW MUCH THEY WERE PAID before they chose to leave.
The single most important reason Nigerians leave Nigeria is POOR PAY. Or rather poor purchasing power of the money they get paid.
My smart bet is that once the politicians stop stealing and actually deliver infrastructure, businesses will start springing up in all nooks of Nigeria. Once businesses flourish, the general economy will grow and Naira will strengthen.
Just 24/7 electricity alone can do all these wonders!
Proof? We had a brief period under Yar adua/Jonathan when Nigerians abroad started going back home to start businesses and employ people.
Productivity can NEVER happen unless infrastructure is developed.
A good government should FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT rather than experimenting with something they scarcely understand.

Monthly salary is one of the reasons doctors are leaving. You want one doctor to attend to 50 patients per day while you hand them the fraudulent 150k at the end of the month, regardless of the amount of work and time they put into attending to patients.

50 patients X N1,000 per patient is N50,000 per day. 50 patients seem too much but that's the reality in some government hospitals.

If a doctor works for another 19 days, that is N1,000,000. This figure can even be higher if we use that hourly rate.

And mind you, N1,000 per consultation is the least any trenches hospital should pay in a decent society. The average consultancy fee for an ENT specialist in Lagos starts from N10-15k. That's just consultation fee not treatment, surgery, or drugs. All that money go to management.

Monthly rate is a huge disservice to healthcare workers. As a matter of fact, that hour rate will correct the anomalies in the healthcare sector. No sane Nigerian doctor will reject it. Not one.

jesmond3945:

Ths sole aim of using the hourly system is to increase productivity. To increase output, to increase gdp. Nigerians are lazy and paying you for doing nothing will not make us grow. There is a lot of waste in the system, you are paid based on what you invest in the system which is your time and energy while the system rewards you with bettet standard of living. The reason why you are enjoying obodo oyibo is because of productivity, everybody is doing their bit even the person packing shit but come to Nigeria ordinary to staple document the person will tell you to come back tommorow. If you are paid per hour you would beg people to staple their work because you would be looking for things to engage you and in the process the system is churning out results. Another thing obi should do is to level up the country, make going to lagos unattractive, create opportunities all over Nigeria and the best way is to increase productivity.

I totally agree with you on this sir

Mindlog:


Who told you those employed on full time will be on part-time or do you have the lived experience to back it up?

I work full-time, my rate is hourly and paid monthly as I work a block of 50 hrs in 5 days then go off for rest for another 5 days after which I resume for another block of 50hrs in 5 days...... productivity is well tracked

Nigerians attitudes is far different from abroad .

onumadu:
I like Obi/Datti and have been campaigning for them all these while. However, someone should please tell them that the hourly payment is not good for Nigerians. Nigeria has a lot of problems, but Nigeria also has a lot of good socioeconomic practices, some of which Nigerians have taken for granted because they don't know better. One of such practices is SALARY payment system.

In developed countries, the people who get paid salaries are top executives of companies, therefore on its face value, it may seem like a good idea to scrap the salary system in Nigeria. However if you have lived in developed countries, you would see that the get-paid-as-you-work system has many systemic problems. One of such problems is the dehumanizing nature of the system.
It is a system that can easily (and often does) replaces human workers with robots.

In many cases, the human workers are even forced to train customers to use robots, essentially training for their own future unemployment.
The salary system is an inherently human/humane system that takes into consideration the workers humanity. When a worker gets sick or unable to work, he/she still gets paid in full, because they have human commitments.

In a get-paid-as-you-work system, once a worker gets sick, s/he only gets paid for yearly assigned sick-off days, which usually lasts for about one month or six weeks max. Once the worker exhausts the sick-off days, s/he is only limited to getting part payment for government approved disability days, which is also usually exhausted quickly (matter of 3 months max), and the worker is then faced with all kinds of economic problems, which usually ends in homelessness. It happens fairly often. Getting sick in such a system is usually the cause of most homelessness. You risk being homeless once you get sick!

When I was in Nigeria, and one of my kids got sick and was rushed to a private children's hospital, the nurse that attended to us had an infant child who she brought with her to work. The baby was sleeping in a small bed next to her, and that was fine. The whole place felt human and normal, and we even enjoyed the company of her new baby. You cannot have such in a developed country, but that is the point of the humanity of the Nigerian system.

Though we often lament the lack of development in Nigeria, we should always be mindful that some of those things that develop a country also dehumanize the country.

Salary system humanizes a country, while the get-paid-as-you-work dehumanizes and creates a lot of social problems. Everything cannot be monetized; some things are beyond money.

Someone should please advise Obi-Datti to drop the get-paid-as-you-work idea, and focus on improving what Nigeria is already doing right. Salary system should be strengthened rather than replaced.

We should not jump from frying pan to fire.



Nlfpmod
Mynd44

Relax. Peter Obi can never be our president but he can pay his workers in his brewery per second if he likes

Tingotoe:
Relax. Peter Obi can never be our president but he can pay his workers in his brewery per second if he likes

On the contrary he is likely to become president, and I will keep campaigning strongly for him.
We cannot throw away the baby with the bathwater.
A president Obi that is implementing pay per hour nonsense is still better than a thieving Tinubutiku.

As for this topic issue, I believe that the relevant parties have heard the SOUND logic/philosophy behind it as carefully elucidated here.

A wise Igbo proverb says that "a cut-off ear can still be used to hear, it is just that it cannot be used to hold a chewing stick".
If you know, you know.

onumadu:


On the contrary he is likely to become president, and I will keep campaigning strongly for him.
We cannot throw away the baby with the bathwater.
A president Obi that is implementing pay per hour nonsense is still better than a thieving Tinubutiku.

Yeah right. Continue with your labour in vain