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Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by koruji(m): 1:57am On Sep 07, 2011 |
Quote: “This process of “bunkering” is what has given the business of oil-theft in Nigeria its common name. Aerial and satellite photography confirm the loading of hundreds of barges with oil each day. The barge cargoes transfer to smaller tankers, many of which foreigners operate under false names and registrations. U.S., U.K., and Lebanese citizens participate in this trade.” http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20110907520215 |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Nobody: 5:32am On Sep 07, 2011 |
We need the name of the 1st lady is it Stella,Mariam or Turai(this chic was implicated in the last wikileaks anyway) |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 6:46am On Sep 07, 2011 |
American hypocrisy staring us in the face once again. So 'bunkering' is a Nigerian problem that should be solved by Nigeria? They forgot to tell us just how much of those illegal oil finds its way into the US and its effect on a benefitting economy. These guys are just happy to sitback and watch the illegal oil flow because they benefit from it yet here they are trying to justify their inaction by saying its a 'Nigerian problem' like they arent sending troops and Feds into Mexico and Colombia to battle drug cartels. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by obowunmi(m): 9:15am On Sep 07, 2011 |
Yawns - na today ?! |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Nobody: 9:48am On Sep 07, 2011 |
lari03:
Source: http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=04LAGOS1204 |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Nobody: 9:58am On Sep 07, 2011 |
thanks,let me go 2 the site myself. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by MyJoe: 10:22am On Sep 07, 2011 |
wesley80:So in your view the Americans should send troops to tackle this or send our government money the way they send to the Colombian and Mexican and governments to fight drugs. And if you were the US government you would place this on the same scale as the illegal drugs being peddled on American streets and destroying the lives of that country's young people. Interesting. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Greenslim: 10:26am On Sep 07, 2011 |
it is not only the first Lady but the so called Nigeria elites in oil sector are involved in this dirty deal. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 11:43am On Sep 07, 2011 |
MyJoe: I'm sure you read this part of the cable; koruji: The US govt has the wherewithal to stop the bunkering overnight but Nigeria does not (lets agree for the sake of simplicity that the will isnt there), all it takes is to cut the demand end by putting some of those bunkering tankers out of biz and the problem is solved, but why wont they do so even after - by their own admission- the Nigerian govt had requested for assistance several times? You think its because they think its a Nigerian problem? well so is Boko Haram and so are the drug cartels in Latin America. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Kobojunkie: 12:05pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
Blame the US? Seriously dem say "Oyinbo wu agbara" but I never knew some took it literally. US has wherewithal to end Nigeria's bunkering overnight
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Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 12:18pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
^^^ Is that you laughing? hmmmn, always knew your mouth was bigger than your head! |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by MyJoe: 12:26pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
wesley80: No, the US government does not have the wherewithal to end this overnight. You made a comparison with the drug problem - has the US government been able to solve that one? No. They commit a lot of resources to that war yet it is still there. If they add this one to their plate they will have to commit a lot of resources to it and since it doesn't score high on their of order of national priorities, why should they do for Nigeria? And maybe I missed it, but the article does not say anything about all the stolen oil ending up in the US. This problem is like terrorism - our local bad guys have invited low life organised criminals from all over the world and there is a thriving business going on. Do you really think that if they are stopped from selling in the US they will throw their hands in the air and close shop, seeing that there are no other places to sell their loot in the world? The only people that can solve this problem is the Nigerian government. Others can help, yes, but there is so much they can do. Look at common money laundering - how many people has the UK jailed for stealing Nigerian money? How many has Nigeria itself jailed? Ibori was larger than life here; they allowed to him to escape, yet he was arrested in Dubai like the common criminal he is and was subsequently shipped to the UK where he is facing trial like the common criminal he is. If this state of affairs continue will corrupt people simply not avoid the UK and Dubai in future and do their thing in Nigeria and other corruption-friendly countries? Is it not clear then that the only people who can fight corruption in Nigeria in a sustained manner are the Nigerians themselves? |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Kobojunkie: 12:31pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
^^^you try ooo . . . |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 12:58pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
@Myjoe, Good points - perhaps. MyJoe: Yes the US govt can end illegal bunkery overnight if it wants to, crude oil is not stuff you can conceal or ask a fisherman to smuggle in on your behalf (we r talking abt 100,000 to 200000 barrels here) so you really cant draw parallels with the drugs trade. The problem is there is a thriving mkt for illegal crude and the West is happy to see it thrive because it suits them and like u said, "it doesn't score high on their order of national priorities" (why should it) How long did it take to label certain diamonds as "conflict diamonds" and block their trade? How long did it take for the US to send in the FBI to assist in BH investigations? Why is bunkery the one issue that is a local problem that should be tackled solely by Nigeria? I'm sure u've never been to the creeks of the Niger Delta else u wld understand it is "virtually impossible" for our ill equipped military to police those pipelines without hi-tech equipments. The only solution that I can see is blocking the demand and if u say the US cant do that then i wonder who u think can. |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Kobojunkie: 1:02pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
Blame the US? Seriously dem say "Oyinbo wu agbara" but I never knew some took it literally. US has wherewithal to end Nigeria's bunkering overnight
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Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 1:09pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
^^^ You seem particularly restless today what's the problem? No bone in the bin today? |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by Bawss1(m): 1:22pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
wesley80: You maintain that the US gains somehow from illegal crude, how did you come about such an observation? Instead of calling for the strengthening of our military so they can tackle this menace properly you lay it the feet of the Americans to come an clean up our mess. Why do we like blaming everything on the Americans? |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by wesley80(m): 2:00pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
@Bawss, I'm not blaming the US but only responding to an assertion by the ambassador that crude theft is a Nigerian problem that should be handled by Nigeria. In a volatile mkt as the crude mkt that constantly swings to the tune of the forces of demand and supply, you'd find it impossible to prove the US doesnt benefit from crude theft. We are talking abt 200k barrels a day here! To put it in context, Countries like Ghana, Uganda and Sleone are celebrated as oil producing countries for producing much less than that. There is an army of people willing to risk their lives in stealing crude and all they get is a fraction of the pay, the big players are those operating the huge tankers and thats why I maintain that any true solution has to be curbing the demand, and who better to assist in doing that? So why wont they? Its a Nigerian problem? Yeah right! |
Re: Wikileaks Names Ex-first Lady, Others As Oil Thieves by MyJoe: 3:05pm On Sep 07, 2011 |
wesley80:You credit the Americans with too much power. Yes, oil is not drugs you can keep in your underpants but are you aware of what is going on at the Gulf of Aden where the navies of the world, including those of the US and the UK, are trying with minimal success to stop Somali pirates? You acknowledge that Nigerian bunkering is not as important to the US as drugs and terrorism (actually, it's not an issue at all), can you explain why they should spend taxpayers' money on a matter that is not important to them? If your argument is that the US ought to enforce its own laws and stop stolen items from being stolen in its territory, of course, it should. But you have to show that this is the crux of this problem. For one thing, we don't know that the bulk of the oil being stolen from Nigeria is being sold in the US - I would be surprised if it is. If it is, that is a law enforcement problem and someone should be beating down the doors of the FBI and presenting them with evidence or giving them tips. Even if the US stops the oil from being sold in its territory, the Nigerian bastards and their foreign collaborators will simply expand other markets. The solution lies in Nigeria. Our law enforcement agents should stop oil from being stolen from here. If they can't, too bad. The question you should ask yourself is, if American diplomats in Nigeria know that a first lady was involved in bunkering, did the SSS, the EFCC, the Navy and Police know? If they didn't, why? If they did, did they inform the President? If they did that, what became of the memo or whatever they sent to him? You are right about our security agencies being ill-equipped to handle this problem, but being ill-equipped is just a convenient subterfuge. What does it take to get equipment other than to place order for them? Or is it that we have no money to buy a few boats and night vision equipment and special weapons to save the country between 2 and 7 billion dollars a year? In matters of this nature, our security agencies are the weakest link in our security. Read that article again. Generals and admirals are involved in this business. As are first ladies, ministers, traditional rulers, militants and villagers. I am at a loss as to how the Americans are supposed to help us. |
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