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Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by damosky12(m): 9:33am On Feb 24, 2023 |
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Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Pauldollars(m): 9:35am On Feb 24, 2023 |
As much as it is wrong to crucify Pastor's who don't want to be involved in politics or take a stand for any candidate, Pastors have a role to play to ensure that there is peace in the land by encouraging their members to pray and vote. A Pastor doesn't need to take side with any candidate publicly...and should ignore those who try to force him to declare his stand for a candidate. When many Pastors in RCCG endorsed APC's President Muhammadu Buhari in 2015 because one of their members and Pastor was a running mate, were they aware of the pain and suffering the APC would cause Nigerians? Pastors should rather pray and encourage their members to vote wisely, not endorse a mere mortal man, who can fail. Jeremiah 29:7 New International Version (NIV) Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile. Pray to the LORD for it, because if it prospers, you too will prosper.” 1 Timothy 2:1-2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.” 1 Like |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Righteousness2(m): 9:55am On Feb 24, 2023 |
As long as you are still on earth, you must be interested on who your leader is. This is one of the reason JESUS lamented that the people of the world are wiser than those who claim Christian. GOD ALMIGHTY personally ordained leaders in the days of old. GOD personal made Joseph prime minister so his people could be preserved. The likes Saul, David, Hazel of Syria and many others were presidents that GOD ALMIGHTY personally took interest in. You are not yet in Heaven. You are still flesh on earth. So you must be interested and involved in who leads you else you will suffer the brunt on earth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by KevMitnick: 10:21am On Feb 24, 2023 |
This is the most stupid analogy I've ever read on this matter. Leadership affects the church, so why should a pastor not be interested in who leads the country he is serving in. Op just shut up your mouth. Prophet Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha where all very interested in who was in power and you're here typing nonsense. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by LogicBomb8: 10:25am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Even the bible say when the righteous rule the people rejoice, why wont the church encourage the people to support the righteous. Thats hepocrisy |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by damosky12(m): 10:30am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Righteousness2: The least you could do, Sir, is to address the post in it's context and point out what you think are the errors in it. This you've done here, Sir, is not right Nothing in the post claims it's wrong to be interested in who your leader is. Right? However, God never compels or forces His choice on a people. People choose their leaders. God didn't ordain the kingship (or political) system of this world. Pharaoh was wise to choose Joseph. God didn't foist him on Egypt. The people of Israel, against God's plans, were the ones who chose to have kings "like other nations" (the heathen nations) It wasn't God's original plan for them. 1 Samuel 8:5-7 [5]And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. [6]But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. [7] And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. Note God's response (in bold). God's original plan was to reign over them. Not some physical kings like the nation's of the world. God did not ordain Democracy or the kingship systems of the world. Jesus did not! But, as patriotic citizens, it's good to vote and participate in politics. Not doing so could make us socially or politically disadvantaged. But still, whoever we vote or not vote for is a choice. Whether we choose to vote or not vote all owes to individual choices. It's not God's priority on earth. So He doesn't give any ultimate directive in that regards. God's primary plan for changing the earth isn't politics. But His word and His power. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Pauldollars: PEACE PRAY VOTE Do you think this three goes together? Well PEACE comes not by human government elected by the people {1Samuel 8:10-18} God chose Jesus and so all peace lovers must continue PRAYING for God's own government in which Jesus is King to come {Matthew 6:19-10} so when people VOTE under democrats it's not to choose a god fearing person but for the majority to put their own choice ahead of the minority (DEMOCRACY) So how do you think this setting can yield a positive result regarding PEACE? 1 Like |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 11:21am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Pauldollars: Pray and vote is contradictory if you are truly talking about God especially in these days. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 11:29am On Feb 24, 2023 |
Righteousness2: That is wrong! God used to appoint leaders but people rejected God and His appointments and they rather chose their own for themselves, code named "democracy". And so God has left man to his foolish ways. Thus, anyone who has sense is following God and not following man. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 11:32am On Feb 24, 2023 |
LogicBomb8: "When the righteous rule". But people seek to convert the righteous into the unrighteous and if he refuses they murder him. Therefore the righteous are not ruling which also means that it is the evil who rules and evil can never have any support from me. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 11:35am On Feb 24, 2023 |
KevMitnick: Whether they support or not a devil will always be the king, and remember Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha were all enemies of the evil king who sat on the throne, so you did not speak well. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Righteousness2(m): 1:22pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Bro you are quoting scriptures out of context. A true Christian is the salt if the earth. You give taste to the earth. You Have a duty to influence the earth as a Christian in every way possible. Don't be a spiritual mugu. The devil will poo on your head. We are still on earth. And we need leadership that will allow us to practice our faith. GOD will always give direction on who to vote if you ask. But he will never force you. damosky12: |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Righteousness2(m): 1:23pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
You lack the knowledge of God my brother Dtruthspeaker: |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by LogicBomb8: 1:33pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:You know it will do you good to outline your thoughts clearly the only major evil i see here is apc and i dont support evil in any form |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Kobojunkie: 2:27pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
damosky12:The Kingdom of God is in fact God's special Nation of Priests which He worked of His Israel and the New Covenant and Gospel, Jesus Christ, is its National Constitution which its citizens are expected to abide by. Every attempts to use that which applies to the Nation of Priests to explain the politics of any other Nation is born of lied and deceit, and those who teach these lies are the very false teachers and false prophets-‐ antichrist agents -- that Jesus Christ warned His followers of. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 2:56pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
LogicBomb8: The major evil I see is man and man has beyond all reasonable doubt proven that he is very very evil, especially in these days, so whether APC or Peter Obi or PDP it still would not be well for Nigerians because God has ended this world. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by LogicBomb8: 3:07pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:you can just say labour party instead of peter obi... It shall be well with me, my family and meaningful nigerians so speak for yourself 1 Like |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by damosky12(m): 3:09pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Righteousness2: You haven't said anything here, Sir. I also observe you post long posts, but you yourself aren't a very patient reader. That's not good! Please read my earlier post well and this too. If you accuse me of quoting scriptures out of context, the thing to do is to post the context for us all to see. Then I can learn... I lucidly showed you that democracy and the kingdom of this world are not God's ideas. They are ideas mostly initiated by heathen nations. They are men's ideas. Democracy is like technology. It's a worldly innovation. It has benefits for us all. It's good to embrace it. But it doesn't take the place of God in our lives. It cannot save the world.
You're telling lies against the scriptures Sir. Jesus truly said we are the salts of the earth. But He never says we save the world "in every way possible." This is shameful. 🤦♂️ "In every way possible" would mean we can tell lies and rig elections to bring a Christian to power. Right? It would mean it's okay to physically attack anyone who antagonizes what we think is God's will for us. Isn't it? Don't you think that's silly! Here's what Jesus says: Matthew 5:13,16 [13]Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. [16]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Verse 16 let's us see that He is speaking about "good works." Good works like fruits of the Spirit. Not elections. (by the way, this is how to show wrong context).
What you're saying is alien to scriptures. And this is disappointing coming from you, Sir. The scriptures never instructs us to vote so that we can get leaders that will allow us practice our faith. It doesn't even ask us to pray to get such leaders. Rather, it says we should pray for the leaders we have (1Timothy 2:1-3). Democracy is not your saviour. Jesus is! You can't trust in the name of Jesus Christ and in the power therein and think your safety or salvation will be by one man somewhere. See what the Bible says: Psalms 146:3 [3]Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Jeremiah 17:5 [5]Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Our trust should be in God's power. Not political might or power. Zechariah 4:6 [6]Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts By all means, go and vote. It's great for Christians to participate in politics. But it's never compulsory. Democracy isn't our power. We shouldn't put our trust in it. The name of Jesus Christ and His Spirit is! |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 3:19pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
LogicBomb8: Do we not see that people are doing in 'Obi we trust" and not in labour party? Since you have already proven that your trust is in labour party, then I am sorry to say that saying "It shall be well with me, my family" is as empty as traveling in a car with no engine and tires. This world is over and all the good in this world finished. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by damosky12(m): 3:30pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: No need for strife bro. Make your point and let it lie. |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by Dtruthspeaker: 3:56pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
damosky12: I did only for him to attack me and unfortunately for him I tend to say what people do not really want to hear, things which they know is True. But because it is unpleasant, they wish no one would confess it. Unfortunately for them The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. James A. Garfield |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by LogicBomb8: 8:11pm On Feb 24, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Just because i refuse to let you slander obi does not mean i have my trust in him, i mean he is human. Although he remains the BEST presidential candidate for this election. you talked about cars, since your world is over maybe you should just get into one and end it all |
Re: Drawing The Lines Between Political Elections, Church, And Pastors by damosky12(m): 6:35am On Feb 26, 2023 |
LogicBomb8: Very well said! |
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