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New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 3:18pm On Aug 30, 2007
Here is the full config :-

HP Pavilion dv6000t
- Intel(R) Pentium(R) dual core processor T2130 (1.86 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
- 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
- 1GB DDR2 System Memory
- Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 950
(224MB Shared video memory)
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
- 120GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=137,500

Contact : brume2020@yahoo.co.uk

Nov 10 Update: Please see the following post for current inventory :-

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-75892.57.html#msg1669197

And here is the shorter version (unsold laptops only) :-

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-108580.0.html#msg1892766

Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by Muyiron(m): 5:07pm On Aug 30, 2007
Do you have any HP with the following spec
* 2GB RAM
* Intel Processor
* NVidia GeForce GPU

Pls specify the price if u have it.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 8:59pm On Aug 30, 2007
Halo Muyiron,

Thanks for you enquiry. I dont have an HP with that exact config. I am right in the middle of something right now but will post a quote soon as I get a sec and let you know what I'll ship one for.

Thanks,

Brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 12:03am On Aug 31, 2007
Hi Muyiron,

Here are some quotes for 3 slightly different dv6500ts. Config differences are highlighted for convenience.

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T5250 (1.5 GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 667MHz FSB)
15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
2GB DDR2
383MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
HP Imprint (Influx) + Fingerprint Reader + Webcam + Microphone
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)

=N= 175,000

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7500 (2.20 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
2GB DDR2
383MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
HP Imprint (Influx) + Fingerprint Reader + Webcam + Microphone
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
120GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)

=N= 200,750

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7500 (2.20 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
2GB DDR2
383MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
HP Imprint (Influx) + Fingerprint Reader + Webcam + Microphone
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
160GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)

=N= 210,000

I am currently mulling a speculative buy and would update this board if I decide to proceed.

brume

PS: Important Note - The core 2 Duo prices are only valid for a few days.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 2:58am On Aug 31, 2007
And here is one for a dv6000t with 2GB/160GB and Nvidia GeForce (256MB):-

HP Pavilion dv6000t
- Intel(R) Pentium(R) dual core processor T2130 (1.86 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
- 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
- 2GB DDR2 System Memory
- 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
- 160GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=161,500
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 9:05am On Aug 31, 2007
Hello I'm looking for a laptop with the ff specs(minimum):


Manufacturer:Dell/ HP/IBM

1)17 inch truebrite/wga screen
2 Intel core 2 duo Processor(2.0ghz,4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
3)2gb ram(expandable to 4gb)
4)512mb graphics card(Nvidia/ati)
5)160-200gb HDD
6)Bluetooth, Infrared wifi
7)Fire wire port
coolusb port x 4
9)DVD RAM
10)multimedia card slot
11)windows xp pro/ media center edition(in english; No Vista Please)
12)Serial port
13) TV out
14)webcam(not really reqd)
15)LPT1 port
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 1:07pm On Aug 31, 2007
oybv1.0.1,

The configuration you have requested is currently not cheap.

Here is a price for one Hp that closely meets that spec :-

HP Pavilion dv9500t
- Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7500 (2.20 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
- 17.0" WXGA+ High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1440 x 900)
- 2GB DDR2 System Memory
- 511MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 4965AGN Network Connection and Bluetooth(TM)
- 160GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- HP Imprint Finish (Radiance) + Webcam + Microphone
- 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=255,500

Unfortunately, buying it with Windows XP pre-installed is not currently available. You would need to replace vista with XP at additional cost.

I havent looked at IBM/Lenovo and Dell. A similar Lenovo or Dell will likely retail at the same ballpark amount.

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by teeluv(m): 2:07pm On Aug 31, 2007
hello brume how u doing
sawyur reply and replied u immediatley im still waiting for some reply
and i was wondering if youve checked out ebay and i saw this compaq presario system from compaq store.v6000t and tx series
hope to hear from u soon
how far with acers any thing?
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 2:12pm On Aug 31, 2007
i just looked up dell
there are two models:
precision m90
and precison m4900

how much would you sell a precison m90 with the lowest grade nvidia card and xp config(xp is supported)?
i'd have gone for the m4900, but i want 17 inches. pls let me know the prices you will sell both models.thanks.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 3:26pm On Aug 31, 2007
oyb_v1.01

I'll take a look and get back soon on the dells.

thanks

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 3:29pm On Aug 31, 2007
teeluv,

Will reply your email in a sec also.

Thanks,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 4:03pm On Aug 31, 2007
oyb_v1.01,

I'm sorry but the Dell m90 is available only in "Dell small business". I am working to get set up to buy direct from small business but unfortunately I havent quite done that yet. In the light of the foregoing it may be pointless quoting for the m90 at this time. However if you wanted that information to simply evaluate a what-if scenario I will be willing to put in the time to get you that information. Please let me know.

I didnt find the m4900 - are you sure thats the right model number.

Please get back,

Thanks,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by SHOT(m): 5:54pm On Aug 31, 2007
HP laptop price slash check it out: http://shot-africa..com/
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 9:59am On Sep 01, 2007
you're right, its m4300.
i have a question-are you 100% sure that xp can be installed and RUN on the HP system. I ask because a friend recently installed xp on an HP vista system.everything works fine except - his usb ports don't work, because there are no compatible drivers(because the laptop was designed for vista).

quite simply, I'm looking to buy a new laptop that will run all my 3d apps without any hassle and with the best performance i can afford.Vista does provide optimum support for open GL, which is why i don't want it.

any info on the lenovo

i think the model is t61, though its 15.4 inches.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 4:49am On Sep 02, 2007
oyb_v1.01,

I really am not sure if the newer Hps which were designed for vista will run xp hitch-free. There may well be some unresolved xp driver issues as you rightly pointed out. While these issues are ultimately resolved with patches/service packs etc - there could be a significant inertia before this happens and the exact timing of such an event occurring is at best indeterminate.

I had enough trouble trying to get a 64-bit version of linux running on my new 64-bit hp last christmas - after many iterations (and many man-hours lost to debugging spurios mundane issues) with different linux flavors I ultimately had to settle for Sabayon a new variant of Gentoo linux which was the only one that worked right out of the box. So, I would hate to be a sitting duck waiting for an unscheduled XP fix for any latent driver issues.

Thus, it may be safer to go with a system that comes pre-installed with XP - hopefully all device driver support gotchas have been worked out.

If I catch your drift, you meant to say that vista does *not* provide optimum support for Open GL, and not that "vista does provide optimum support". In any case your preference for a system that runs XP without any driver issues is crystal clear.

Since you are now considering the Lenovos I will get back with some quotes shortly.

Your desire to purchase an "affordable" system is an indication that you are willing to scale back on your earlier stated generous system config requirements in order to bring the price within the appropriate range. Since you are running 3D apps such as OpenGL, there can be no skimping on the GPU though. I don't know what specific price range you are working with, but I will try to use my discretion.

regards,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 5:19am On Sep 02, 2007
oyb_v1.01,

After some quick number crunching I came up with =N=233,000 for the following system :-

Lenovo thinkpad T61

Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 (2.0GHz 800MHz 4MBL2)
Genuine Windows XP Professional
15.4 WXGA TFT
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB)
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad)
160GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer, Ultrabay Slim
Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
6 cell Li-Ion Battery
6459: Express - 1 Yr Depot Warranty

I need to point out that the only graphics card that is suitable per your request is the Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M with 128MB of video memory. Since you are running 3D apps I am not sure if this is sufficient to meet your needs.

As well, it is pertinent to mention that this price is only valid for a few days after which I expect new prices to be in effect. One other thing - the manufacturer ships after 1-2 weeks.

From all appearances, the Lenovos are quite pricey in relation to the HPs.

Anyhow, that is the information you requested.

Please let me know your thoughts,

regards,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 2:49pm On Sep 02, 2007
this is the precise lenovo I'm looking towards:
lenovo t61p
I pieced together a config on IBMs website
my budget is 250,000 max

this is an hp equivalent

www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html">http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html

www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html">http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html

the HP Compaq 8510w Mobile Workstation- models

Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 6:35pm On Sep 02, 2007
oyb v1.01,

How were you able to select the Nvidia card with 256MB ram?.

I was only able to get nearly the same config but with the only difference being -

- System graphics: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB) - the only option available to select for the T61 (part number 6459CTO).

@ $1723.50 before tax.

Anyhow say it is possible to configure using your numbers (i.e purchase from Lenovo @ $1836 before tax), this already amounts to 231,611 Naira using a live FX rate of =N=126.15:$1 I pulled from a web site (XE.com) before adding any other costs such as US state taxes, shipping to nigeria, clearing etc.

As you can imagine for me it is not financially viable to ship/deliver this exact config for =N=250,000. I think the Lenovo is particularly expensive though. Now that I have a very good picture of your exact requirements I will see if I can find any other transaction that is mutually beneficial and get back with that information.

Thanks

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 3:40pm On Sep 03, 2007
let me know your price for the model specified.Thanks.

also how soon b4 delivery

also , how much will you sell an additional
acer 15.4" win xp home, 1.5-2.0ghz, 40gb ,(basically, a system for an soft user)
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 2:35am On Sep 04, 2007
Hey oyb_v1.01,

I've been swamped all day and just had a sec to read this. Unfortunately I am still swamped and will try to respond to your RFQ ASAP for you to read by the AM hopefully. Come to think of it, the Lenovo prices change after Sept 4th(there was an ongoing sale ending tomorrow). Which same means that my shipping prices based on that 25% sale price will be stale by tomorrow.

Per your acer request, I have just shipped some acers on order, but except they are 14" & Windows Vista everything else seems to align with your general spec - I think. One of them is a speculative buy (i.e. for stock/not meant for any specific order). However, my partner has first dibs on that one. If you have an interest in the acer, please let me know and I will see if I can get it for you before it is sold. Here are the specs and price :-

Acer Aspire 1.73Ghz Intel Pentium Dual-Core T2080 (1MB L2 Cache)
1GB DDR2 Memory (Expandable to 2GB)
14.1" WXGA
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
SuperMulti DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
Intel GMA 950 (supports up to 224MB of shared video memory)
5-in-1 media reader
3 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
S-Video Outputs 1
Built-in Acer InviLink wireless LAN (802.11b/g)
10/100 Ethernet with RJ-45 connector
V.92 high-speed modem
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition

Price =N=115,000

This laptop should be in Lagos in 2 weeks(By Mid september).

please get back.

Brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 2:49am On Sep 04, 2007
Important Update

HP #2 has cleared customs and is available for sale. Please contact me if you have an interest.


Here once again are the configuration details and price :-

2. HP Pavilion dv6000t

- Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo processor T2450 (2.0 GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
- 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
- 1GB DDR2 System Memory
- Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 950
(224MB Shared video memory)
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
- 120GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=143,500
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 9:42am On Sep 04, 2007
oyb_v1.01,

Using your numbers, 1.e. $1836 before tax(estimated state tax is $152), I would deliver the unit to Lagos for :-

between =N= 283,500 and 310,000. (using the closer to actual exchange rate of =N=129:US$1)

The exact amount would be determined by how much of a down payment you are willing to offer.

This quote would probably have to change if a new Lenovo price kicks in today.

Since the manufacturer ships 1-2 weeks after the order is placed, the unit will take approx 4-5 weeks to be delivered to Lagos.

I will provide another quote for the 15.4" acer later today if you have no interest in the 14.1" I quoted earlier today. Please get back on that.

thanks,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 11:14pm On Sep 05, 2007
Hi,

Someone has sent me email today about the HPs (a nairaland user - you know who you are). just wanted to let you know that I saw that email but when I tried to read it, I kept getting timeout messages from yahoo.co.uk. As soon as I am able to read it I will respond to the email.

Thanks for your enquiry,

regards,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 12:47am On Sep 06, 2007
I was finally able to read my email and I have responded to your request. Thanks,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 11:07am On Sep 11, 2007
Update: 5% Price Drop. See New Lower Prices in effect!!!!!!!!

1. HP Pavilion dv6000t
- Intel(R) Pentium(R) dual core processor T2130 (1.86 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
- 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
- 1GB DDR2 System Memory
- Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 950
(224MB Shared video memory)
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
- 120GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=129,500

2. HP Pavilion dv6000t

- Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo processor T2450 (2.0 GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB)
- 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
- 1GB DDR2 System Memory
- Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 950
(224MB Shared video memory)
- Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
- 120GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
- SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
- 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
- Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
- Microsoft(R) Works 8.0

Sale Price : =N=135,500


Contact : brume2020@yahoo.co.uk
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by Wysiwyg: 12:53pm On Sep 11, 2007
Sony vaio
13 inch display.
1Gig RAM
Bluetooth.

Above is the essentials of what I need. Any deal?
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by oybv101: 1:01pm On Sep 11, 2007
hello brume,
this is oyb v1.01
sorry we couldn't reach a firm agreement on the mobile workstation thing.(a lot of number crunching made me  eventually conclude that it makes more financial sense to let a friend over there buy the laptop and ship it over)-I eventualy settled on a dell precision M90.
-the cost-dont ask.  shocked cry

we didnt conclude the last time
what lapop do u have for 80 to 100k? it does not have to be high spec .


min config
40gb
xp home,
15.4 inch ,
intel graphics(eew, did i say that?)
1.5ghz (no celeron pls!)
cdrw/dvd
512mb ram
do u have any model that falls within that price range?thanks.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 1:49pm On Sep 11, 2007
Hey oyb_v1.01

I quite understand you. Anytime you are spending your hard earned bucks you always always have to make sure you get the biggest bang for your buck(like everyone else who trades). With each of us trying to get the best we can, sometimes offer and acceptance only happens with some compromise.

Seriously no ill/hard feelings or anything like that - goes with the territory - its like a hit and miss thing. You know, you win some and lose some and all that good stuff.

As per the low end laptop. I think you might have to go a little higher to get anything new that is not a celeron or sempron. For 110k I am confident I can get you something quite reasonable. Let me see what I can find.

thanks,

brume

PS: Please email me a number to reach you at, JIC I need to holler pronto. Thanks.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by Nobody: 2:36pm On Sep 11, 2007
Hello Brume,
I sent you a response via the other thread and have been waiting all day for a reply but I have a feeling u've not seen it so I'm pasting it here;

Hi brume,
Thanks for replying promptly. You would have noticed by now that I'm really interested in getting myself a laptop ASAP. Do you by any chance have any idea how I can get another full optioned brand like the one you mentioned but cheaper. Coz my budget is pretty tight. I can only spare between 80 and 100grand. The 20grand allowance I left in between is quite considerable don't you think? I really can't afford adding a dime to that.
Also, from the way you sound it seems you are not in the country right now. Somebody told me that there are HP computer retail outlets in Lagos. I would look into that also. But I'm just looking for the best deal at a good bargain which is, of course, within my budget. OK?
Looking to hear from you soon.
Kemp.

P.S. The sooner I get over with this transaction the more time I would have to do other things, don't you think? Holla back so. Cheers.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 3:03pm On Sep 11, 2007
Kempest,

Sorry I wasnt aware you had replied that thread - I am watching that thread but usually get an email notification that prompts me to look at the response (don't think I got notified though). You are right, I am out of the country. I have 2 trusted/reliable partners (both my brothers) in Lagos and Portharcourt that handle things at the other end.

I don't have any on ground now save for the HPs (I recently dropped prices on those to raise cash but still outside your range). If you are not in a crazy rush to get something - I can get you a decent system at =N=110000 (3 weeks delivery lead time) like I mentioned before - sorry I can't really do much with the price. I know your budget is constrained but I can't provide more than a celeron at =N=100000.

I am always online so I can easily respond to requests, but you may be offline at the time. If you want a quick notification of good deals in your ball park region send me an email with a number to call and I will call you as soon as I find anything.

Thanks,

brume
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by Nobody: 3:39pm On Sep 11, 2007
Thanks Brume,
I really appreciate your thoroughness and sincerity. That would definitely make you a better businessman. I would send you an email with my phone number. I would also consider your advice on types of processors. God knows what mistakes I would have made.
My aunt told me also to be wary of "Lemons". I guess these means brand new laptops that develop faults almost immediately after you buy them and you would have to go thru the problems of returning them and warranty and so on. Definitely won't want to go thru anything like that.
Thanks once again.
Kemp.
Re: New Laptops For Sale (HPs, Dells, AMDs, Intels) by brume2020: 3:47pm On Sep 11, 2007
Kempest,

Its interesting that your aunt applied the word Lemons to Laptops. It is commonly associated with cars - flood damaged cars, etc. I can see how it would apply to computers though. A lemon laptop would mean it arrives Dead on Arrival (DOA), just like a lemon car.

Just to clarify what I meant by my earlier comment/suggestions about celerons/semprons, I did not mean to imply all celerons were lemons in any away - only that you may sooner need to replace/upgrade them to meet the ever increasing demand for system resources by newer applications. While a brand new (or even factory refurbished) celeron based systen will be fully functional, there is a high risk of obsolesence in the medium to long term. If innovations in software continue at the current pace, In the not too distant future you will need more than a celeron to run certain applications.

A lemon on the other hand typically will apply to any damaged goods that fail to function even upon delivery. E.g. a used laptop that suffered a coffee spill may fail to function initially or subsequently. New systems ideally should not arrive DOA due to the rigorous nature of the manufacturing tests carried out by manufacturers prior to factory release.

regards

brume

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