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Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by BinghiNya(m): 9:16pm On Sep 15, 2011
A lot of people here are just too lazy to gather facts. True gaddafi spent too long ruling Libya, but quality of life there bwas favourable.
The west want to control everything. Why didn't america and its cronies attack North Korea. Saudi arabia has produced 50% of "terrorists" yet it is not a pariah country.

Can i get answers to these questions?

Who invaded panama?
Who invaded cuba(bay of pigs)
Who did us support during the iran-iraq war( saddam used sarin) and also nerve gas, did the west complain then?
Who has military bases in almost all the coutries of the world.
Who killed patrice lumumba
Who killed M.K.O


Why didn't USA(The Great satan) invade saudi arabia, zimbabwe, rwanda during the hutu and tutsi wahala, liberia during charles taylor's reign or even sierra leone. Why did USA marines leave somalia some eyars back after losing forces on the front line.


Why is palestine not  a free state, since usa vetoed its existence.

why will us, israel possess nuclear weapons and iran can't

The leading sponsor of state terrorism are the american leaders.

Time will tell.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Rgp92: 9:26pm On Sep 15, 2011
BinghiNya:

A lot of people here are just too lazy to gather facts. True gaddafi spent too long ruling Libya, but quality of life there bwas favourable.
The west want to control everything. Why didn't america and its cronies attack North Korea. Saudi arabia has produced 50% of "terrorists" yet it is not a pariah country.

Can i get answers to these questions?

Who invaded panama?
Who invaded cuba(bay of pigs)
Who did us support during the iran-iraq war( saddam used sarin) and also nerve gas, did the west complain then?
Who has military bases in almost all the coutries of the world.
Who killed patrice lumumba
Who killed M.K.O


Why didn't USA(The Great satan) invade saudi arabia, zimbabwe, rwanda during the hutu and tutsi wahala, liberia during charles taylor's reign or even sierra leone. Why did USA marines leave somalia some eyars back after losing forces on the front line.


Why is palestine not  a free state, since usa vetoed its existence.

why will us, israel possess nuclear weapons and iran can't

The leading sponsor of state terrorism are the american leaders.

Time will tell.


Thank you bro! Gaddafi ruled for 42 years, Saudi arabia king have ruled more than 50 years. Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi, they cant vote and kill those who speak of democrazy. why aint the world caring about that ? Do you remember what happen in Bahrain ?
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Builder: 9:32pm On Sep 15, 2011
Oh Lord!!!! what is so wrong with Nigerians on this forum and the word "dictatorship". and why do u folks always think democracy is the way forward? the

white man that gave the world democracy know that system of government is just a way to colonized the rest of the world, its corrupt, illegal and bankrupt

Check out this scenario : the world today is occupied with people of many different races, black, white, indian, chinese etc, in the same breath these people

have different religions, cultures and values, what is wrong with these people having a system of government that suits them best, be it democracy,

communist , dictatorship or whatever system of government thats out there, in the world today we have seen countries like cuba, china and most western

countries and seen the style of government that works for them, why is it that its the so-called democratic countries that invade and terrorize other countries

of is it fair to say democracy and terrorism goes hand in hand? Since 1960, nigeria have been a democratic state we have had countless leaders and what do

we have to show for it, nothing apart from corruption, embezzlement, mismanagement and mass killings , even the USA cant boast of the luxury and freedom

the libyans have . Hate Gadaffi because you have been brainwashed but surely not because he has been a leader for 42 years


You may have been brainwashed by the mainstream media but one thing but many do not realize that Gaddafi was planning to introduce the gold dinar, a

single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the U.S. dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth. It is surely no coincidence that Iraq’s

prior leader, Saddam Hussein, was trying to do the same thing just prior to U.S. invasion for all of those “weapons of mass destruction.” Simply put, if oil-rich

nations begin trading in something other than dollars it will significantly reduce demand for dollars and threaten the dollar’s role as world reserve currency. Many

experts belief this would lead to the quick death of the fiat greenback, which is now backed by nothing but faith in a government that is running an annual

budget deficit of over $1.5 TRILLION.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Builder: 9:36pm On Sep 15, 2011
The beauty of democracy otherwise known as terrorism as written and practice by the USA and other western democratic states is outline below



In 1953 US overthrows the Prime Minister Mossadeg of Iran and install Shah as the dictator

1954, they overthrow democratically-elected president Arbenz of Guatemala… 200,000 civilians died

1963 US backs assassination of South Vietnamese president Diem

1963-75. America military kills 4 million people n Southeast Asia

September 11 1973: US stages a coup in Chile, democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated, Dictator Augusto Pinochet was installed, and 5,000 Chileans were murdered

1977 US backs military rulers of El-Salvador, 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns were killed

In the 1980s: US train Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill soviets, CIA gave them $3billion

1981: Reagan Administration trains and funds “Contras” 30,000 Nicaraguans die

1982: US provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians and in 83, they secretly gave Iran weapons to kill Iraqis

In 1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as president of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington, US invades panama and removes Noriega, 3,000 Panamanian civilians casualties

In 1990, Iraqi invades Kuwait with weapons from US

1991, US enters Iraq, bush Snr reinstates dictator of Kuwait

1998, Clinton bombs “weapons factory” in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin
1991 to present : America planes bomb Iraqi on a daily basis. United Nations estimates that 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions

2000- 01: US gave Taliban –ruled Afghanistan £245 millions in “aid”, and in September 11, Osama bin laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people

2011, US with the help of NATO disposes Murmur Gadaffi from Libya, and installs an Al- Qaeda led government , more that 40,000 dead
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Builder: 9:50pm On Sep 15, 2011
In addition to what Lagosboy wrote,

In 1951 libya was the poorest country in the world b4 the NATO invasion libyans enjoyed the highest standard of living in africa and ahead of russia, brazil and saudi arabia.
in libya, homes are considered a human rights, newly married couples recieve $50k to buy their own homes and electricity is free to all libyans
Gadaffi vowed to house liyans b4 his own parents, he kept to his promise and his own father died b4 he was able to be housed
B4 Gadffi, less than a qtr of libyans were illiterate, now education is free and high quality and the literacy rate is 83%
Heathcare is also free and high quality and if libyans cannot find the education and healthcare they need in libya then the libyan govt funds them to go abroad to access it .
All loans are interest free 0% by law , if a libyan buy a car, the govt pays 50% of the price, the price of gasolin is 14cent per gallon
any libyan wishing to be a farmer is given free use of land, a home , equipment , livstock and seeds
On 1st july 2011, 1.7 million people assembled in Green square tripoli to show defiance against nato bombing of libya, this represented around 95% of the population of tripoli and about one third of the population of libya
The libyans central bank is state owned and unlike all banks in the west, its not owned by ROTHSCHILD and issues debt free money
In the 1990s libya was accused of being responsible of lockerbie bombing of PanAm 103, it has transpired that the US paid witness at the trial $4million each to testify againts the accused libyan men, yes, they were paid to lie and have since recanted their evidences
Gadaffi was also working to cchange payment for libyas oil away from the US dollar to the African dinar, this move prompted Sarkozy to call libya " treat to thefinacial security of Mankind", one of the first acts of the libyan rebels was to create new central bank to one that was owned by the Rothschild, just as ours in the west are . The Rothschild family are estimated to own over half the worlds wealth. Rothschild owned banks create money out of thin air and sell it to the people at interest , thismeans we never have enough money to pay back what is "owned" so we and our unborn chuildren are made debt-slaves to Rothschild banking interests, unlike our leaders Gadaffi refused to sell his people out Libya was DEBT FREE!!! re you beginning to see why Gadaffi gets this response from his people? and who is behind the NATO bombing of a free and sovereign people? Libyans had much that they dont have in the west (EU & USA)
The have a leader who has intergrity and courage and who worked in their best interests and not the Rothschild's best interest.
Liyans shared in wealth of their country free from the shackles of usury and Rothschils banking interests. Without the tyranny of Rothschild control ove the issuance of money, we could all live as welthy people, we have been literally robbed of trillions of £/$/Euros by Rothschild bankers and their rent boy politicians. We have been raped and enslaved, just as libya will be enslaved and raped if we dont stop this crime against humanity. It is estimated that 30,000 Libyans was klled by NATO and its rebels.

Gadaffi believes in direct democracy as laid out in his book " THE GREEN BOOK" he believes that the parliamentary democracies are inherently corrupt and that people can and should represent themselves, after believing the lies about this man for all my life, his book and philosophies amazes me
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by velo10: 10:16pm On Sep 15, 2011
I really feel happy reading this thread. This plainly shows that many people here arent that gullible to buy the hyprocrisy of the Western world.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by cicero(m): 10:40pm On Sep 15, 2011
I disagree with all the argument in favour of Gadhaffi in so many ways. This man may have done so much for Libya and Libyans agreed, but he was a dictator for 42 years and every dictator is just some self centered individual willing to do just about anything to hold on to power. He had the opportunity to kick out the 'corrupt' monarchy, suppress islamic extremism, install a structure to sustain his achievement and step aside, but his personal interest wouldn't let him. No amount of good deed justifies dictatorship.

Lastly, the western world is only able to pursue their interest in developing nations the way they do because our leaders let them.
Since independence Nigeria has had all the mineral, financial and human resources to advance and be truly independent but our leaders have frittered it through a combination of short-sightedness, selfishness, incompetence and brazen criminality.
I don't understand how we third world countries are very good at seeing how the western world is under developing us when a country like Nigeria has had more than 40 years to move out of the third world club but has only managed to institutionalize corruption and mediocrity.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Nobody: 11:32pm On Sep 15, 2011
Even though people are saying that Libya has a smaller population than Nigeria, they fail to mention that Libya is double the size of Nigeria and has flawless infrastructure from one end to the other end. How did they do it? How come they have more road length, more pipe borne water infrastructure and more electricity infrastructure covering the size of a country twice the size of Nigeria?  All the above has nothing to do with population but with land mass. How did they do it with half our national earnings?

I need answers please!
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by cap28: 11:33pm On Sep 15, 2011
cicero

isnt it therefore ironic that the only african nation which was able to use its resources for the benefit of its citizens and not for the benefit of western multinational oil companies and banks was destroyed by the  west?

owobokiri thanks for mentioning gabon - whenever people dismiss Gadaffi's success i always want to cite gabon as a comparison but i always  forget - gabon is an oil rich country with a populatino of only 1 million people and yet 80% of the population live below the poverty line, what did omar bongo do with all the oil revenue - oh yes he invited the french oil companies in to gabon to ra.pe and pillage.  by the way omar bongo ruled gabon for 42 years just like gadaffi but unlike gadaffi diverted the country's oil wealth into his private bank accounts in switzerland, he also financed various french presidential campaigns and they in turn returned the favour by allowing him to rule gabon for 42 years,after his death his son took over the reigns of power - i think by now any person with a functioning brain should be able to tell that the west are liars and criminals who are merely bamboozling dumb africans with all their BS about democracy.

the war in libya is not yet over, the rebels do not even have control over the whole country, there are still so many pro gadaffi strongholds because the truth of the matter is that the majority of libyans still support gadaffi, dont be fooled by the BS being churned out by the western propagandists.
Journalists who report the truth of what is really happening in libya are captured, tortured and killed by NATO and their rebel collaborators,the only journalists that are allowed to operate freely in libya are the agents of the western media who continue to churn out lie after lie.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by kizito96(m): 11:40pm On Sep 15, 2011
Arrant Nonsense
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by richjohn1(m): 11:41pm On Sep 15, 2011
Malcolm X has rightly called the white race "A race of devils" there's nothing so special about those pale skinned devils>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Builder: 12:04am On Sep 16, 2011
The sort of democracy the west wants for Africa, compare and contrast. Omar Bongo Versus Moarmur Gadaffi

Omar Bongo is a diminutive, dapper figure, who conversed in flawless French and alternated between pomposity, courtesy and cruelty as required, Bongo treated Gabon as a self-obsessed landlord treats his private estate. He considered everything inside its borders to be his personal property and elevated corruption to a method of government.
Bongo amassed enough wealth to become one of the world's richest men. His great political achievement was to ensure that the revenues from Gabon's 2.5 billion barrels of oil reserves guaranteed his grip on power. He carefully allowed just enough oil money to trickle down to the general population of 1.4 million, thus avoiding any serious unrest. Meanwhile, he offered his domestic critics a bargain they could not refuse: drop your opposition in return for a modest but glittering slice of the nation's oil wealth. By this method, he bought off every opponent and became the most successful of all Africa's francophone tyrants, comfortably extending his political dominance into a fifth decade.
The largest share of the oil money was, of course, reserved for Bongo himself, his family and the aristocracy of his own Bateke tribe. Earlier this year, Transparency International began investigating him for embezzlement. Few were surprised when it emerged that Bongo owned 33 properties in Paris and Nice with a combined value exceeding 125 million pounds. The American authorities turned up 86 million pounds in accounts in New York.
These discoveries were probably only the tip of the iceberg: Bongo's fortune certainly ran into the hundreds of millions of dollars and may have reached the billions.
Some of the oil money was used for great public works – and slavish glorification of the leader became de rigueur. Thus Gabon acquired Bongo University, Bongo Airport, numerous Bongo Hospitals, Bongo Stadium and Bongo Gymnasium. The president's home town, Lewai, was inevitably renamed Bongoville.
Occasionally, Bongo would boast of his great benevolence. One American ambassador was summoned to the presidential palace in the capital, Libreville, to hear the president proclaim that he intended to make a multi-million dollar donation to charity. "And will this sum come from your personal funds or from state funds?" asked the diplomat. Bongo was genuinely bewildered by this question. The two men quickly agreed that such fine distinctions were meaningless in Gabon.
Omar Albert Bernard Bongo was born on 30 Dec 1935 in the town of Lewai near Gabon's eastern border, into one of France's smallest and most placid African colonies. The youngest of 12 children, he was an intelligent and ambitious young man and chose the only career open to young blacks under French rule: a junior clerical job in the colonial administration followed by a place in the armed forces. Bongo was a lieutenant in the air force when Gabon won independence in 1960.
He was fortunate to receive the patronage of the country's first president, Leon M'Ba, who gave him a series of junior cabinet posts. In 1966, M'Ba promoted Bongo to become vice-president, probably judging that the young man, who was barely 30, posed no political threat. But M'Ba became gravely ill and died the following year, allowing Bongo to succeed him as president on 2 Dec 1967 at the age of only 31.
This was an era when France made no effort to disguise its direct influence in former colonies and, by the same token, African leaders did not pretend to conform to democratic norms.
Bongo, an ardent Francophile, was happy to strike a favourable bargain with the old colonial power. He gave the French oil company, Elf-Aquitaine, privileged rights to exploit Gabon's oil reserves while Paris returned the favour by guaranteeing the young president's grip on power for the indefinite future.
France kept its military bases in the country and a contingent of paratroopers underwrote Bongo's rule. The president trusted no-one but the French and his own family. Bongo duly made his son, Ali-Ben, defence minister and his daughter, Pascaline, foreign minister and then chef de cabinet.
He spent as much time as he could in Paris, revelling in his friendship with a succession of French presidents, particularly Valery Giscard d'Estaing and Jacques Chirac.
Bongo behaved like an ageing sybarite during these long sojourns. An Italian fashion designer has testified that he kept Bongo supplied with prostitutes. When an international beauty contest was held in Libreville, Bongo took a shine to Miss Peru, who found herself ushered into the presidential bedroom. The terrified young woman managed to flee.
When the Cold War ended, the old bargain between Bongo and Paris required modest adaptation. The president legalised opposition parties in 1993 and allowed a series of supposedly fair elections. In fact, all his opponents had been bribed and suborned.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by poweredcom(m): 12:32am On Sep 16, 2011
I pity the new freedom , libya has found, they gonna suffer, like other nation now,

They have been foled blinded by freedom,

Cameron and sarkozy, just touch donw there Ohh Ma God they were smiling , thinking Oil, Oil, see Money.Sarkozy said, Voila, Voila. merci .Cameron said, Splendid splendid

Ha Ghadaffi is a true Leader for his people only to back stab him
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Olaone1: 3:10am On Sep 16, 2011
Builder:

Oh Lord!!!! what is so wrong with Nigerians on this forum and the word "dictatorship". and why do u folks always think democracy is the way forward? the

white man that gave the world democracy know that system of government is just a way to colonized the rest of the world, its corrupt, illegal and bankrupt

Check out this scenario : the world today is occupied with people of many different races, black, white, indian, chinese etc, in the same breath these people

have different religions, cultures and values,  what is wrong with these people having a system of government that suits them best, be it democracy,

communist , dictatorship or whatever system of government thats out there,  in the world today we have seen countries like cuba, china and most western

countries and seen the style of government that works for them, why is it that its the so-called democratic countries that invade and terrorize other countries

of is it fair to say democracy and terrorism goes hand in hand? Since 1960, nigeria have been a democratic state we have had countless leaders and what do

we have to show for it, nothing apart from corruption, embezzlement, mismanagement and mass killings , even the USA cant boast of the luxury and freedom

the libyans have . Hate Gadaffi because you have been brainwashed but surely not because he has been a leader for 42 years


You may have been brainwashed by the mainstream media but one thing but many do not realize that G[b]addafi was planning to introduce the gold dinar, a

single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the U.S. dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth. It is surely no coincidence that Iraq’s

prior leader, Saddam Hussein, was trying to do the same thing just prior to U.S. invasion for all of those “weapons of mass destruction.” Simply put, if oil-rich

nations begin trading in something other than dollars it will significantly reduce demand for dollars and threaten the dollar’s role as world reserve currency. Many

experts belief this would lead to the quick death of the fiat greenback, which is now backed by nothing but faith in a government that is running an annual

budget deficit of over $1.5 TRILLION.[/b]

Ohhhhhhhh Lawdddddddddddddddddddddddddddd! Lol Nairalanders.

This guy's comment was copied directly from the Daily Mail comments page. lol.

Trust Ola to check it outtttttttttttttttttttt! cool cool cool cool

Read more jare  cheesy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037693/David-Cameron-Libya-visit-Gaddafi-says-PM.html
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Nobody: 3:59am On Sep 16, 2011
Anyone else notice that there are practically no sites on the internet showing Gaddafi's achievements. CNN/BBC and other western media failed to talk about the standard of living in Libya rather, they did everything possible to taint his image and make the whole world believe he must be ousted.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by iykak47: 5:27am On Sep 16, 2011
some of  us always shout no human right in libya, but no evidence to back up  such accusation from UN or the west against Ghdhafi before this conflict, even Abdul Hakeen Belhaj well known (former} member of  Al Qaeda, presently commander of anti Gadhafi forces in tripoli, is now among Ghdhafi accusers. what an irony. why should  we continue to believe the west that  lied  that saddam had weapons of mass destruction, that their  aim was to protect civilians in libya not regime change. the latest report shows not less than 30,000 have lost their lives in that conflict, about 50,000 wounded. is that not preventable calamity?  you dont solve problem by creating more problem. am sure NATO will think twice  before carring such senseless bombing  in north korea that has nuclear weapons.  with their almight democracy, the west cant still manage their economy well, always borrow from communist China, is that  not a shame? Arabs are not familiar to democracy, mubarak is out,but  today the revolutionists in egypt have realized  the city of el dorado may not be found after all. i dont know if lack of freedom to participate in politics means human right abuse. in Nigeria people take part in politics, what good does that bring to us? nothing. if part of democracy is boko haram, epileptic power supply, corruption, kidnapping, bad roads etc, someone should please bring  'saint'  Ghadhafi to aso rock.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by JAZES(m): 6:15am On Sep 16, 2011
I cant believe some folks are sighting population as the reason
for Libya development, truth is population has absolutely nothing
to do with it. Ghadaffi is just a sincere leader that has the interest of
his people at heart.
How many Oil producing states in Nigeria has more population than
Libya with huge allocations every month yet the indigenes are languishing in
Poverty.

Population has nothing to do with it my people.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by juman(m): 7:02am On Sep 16, 2011
The people of Libya removed Gaddafi not the West.

UN allowed NATO to help at a stage of the revolution to protect the people.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by itiswell1(m): 7:14am On Sep 16, 2011
shocked shocked shocked
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Rgp92: 7:14am On Sep 16, 2011
juman:

The people of Libya removed Gaddafi not the West.

UN allowed NATO to help at a stage of the revolution to protect the people.

You're very stvpid if you belive that. The rebel would have lost without the west help.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by brainpulse: 7:49am On Sep 16, 2011
There is one thing that i know Nigerians for and that is the blaming game. We tend to attached our failures to one thing and when it can no loonger be attached, we say it is destined by God. That was what the Libyans didnt do, they acted when they were suppose to act against autocratic rule and a system wherby only one person owns the best even to his spoons in pure Gold. I believe the OP do not know more than the Libyans that wanted freedom by all means. It is not enough to give a man the best and cage him against his ffreedom.
Why blame the West, Is it the same West that force GEJ on us? STop the crap of blaming the West for the failures in the World. Is it the West that spoilt our roads and train the agberos in Motor parks?
PLs lets stop this childish altitude of blaming.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by beeman80: 7:58am On Sep 16, 2011
The Libyans will turn their backs on the mighty west by the time they discover that they have just been punked.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by brainpulse: 8:01am On Sep 16, 2011
BinghiNya:

A lot of people here are just too lazy to gather facts. True gaddafi spent too long ruling Libya, but quality of life there bwas favourable.
The west want to control everything. Why didn't america and its cronies attack North Korea. Saudi arabia has produced 50% of "terrorists" yet it is not a pariah country.

Can i get answers to these questions?

Who invaded panama?
Who invaded cuba(bay of pigs)
Who did us support during the iran-iraq war( saddam used sarin) and also nerve gas, did the west complain then?
Who has military bases in almost all the coutries of the world.
Who killed patrice lumumba
Who killed M.K.O


Why didn't USA(The Great satan) invade saudi arabia, zimbabwe, rwanda during the hutu and tutsi wahala, liberia during charles taylor's reign or even sierra leone. Why did USA marines leave somalia some eyars back after losing forces on the front line.


Why is palestine not  a free state, since usa vetoed its existence.

why will us, israel possess nuclear weapons and iran can't

The leading sponsor of state terrorism are the american leaders.

Time will tell.


And the West forced GEJ on us, Forced Boko Haram, Mend on us.
Dont forget that the same West helped us during our strugge to Democracy (Abacha regime)
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by brainpulse: 8:05am On Sep 16, 2011
@ Builder

The same Education, Drugs, Vehicle, PLan you are using now and from where? O. kay your Babalawo. The same auto-cratic rule that was practiced by the then Onis of Ife, Alafin of Oyo that sold our kindred as slaves. What point are you making now
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by temmytanny(m): 8:32am On Sep 16, 2011
it is very clear what france,US and UK want in libya. They have succeded but i doubt if libya would know peace after gadaffi with the things are going. Many of you would think its all over but when it comes to ruling the country,there would war amongst the NTC group cos they believe there still some pro gaddfi in their mist
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by cicero(m): 9:53am On Sep 16, 2011
Gadhaffi was a dishonest and corrupt dictator just like all of them, and he has now become a pawn in the game of self interest and self preservation played so well by the western world. If there was any honesty in him, why did he have to stay for 42 years and planning to hand over power to one of his sons?
For the records, the politics of the western world versus the rest of us has been a politics of wits and their win almost all the time while we lose almost all the time because they use the 'think-plan-play' approach while our leaders and intellectuals use the 'plan-play-think-blame' approach.

They are accused of supplying arms to Arab and African nations to fight each other (this one is so sad and the way people boldly write about baffles me) why are they accepting arms to fight themselves? Why don't they query the motive of their arms suppliers? If I offer you guns to fight your brothers or wife and you accept without asking questions, why turn around to blame me? Did you forget there is 'game' of survival going on and that I will only benefit from you fighting each other.

Consider Nigeria, over 50 years and billions of oil revenue, no electricity, unintelligent, underdeveloped and underfunded security apparatus, non existent indigenous technology, lack of standards, inefficient and unresponsive government, mediocre educational system, growing population without commensurate advancement plans and provision for catering for their needs, an elite that is accountable to the American Ambassador instead of the Nigerian people, institutionalization of corruption and the list goes on. Now the Indians, Chines and Lebanese are making massive economic incursions in partnership with our politicians. I am sure tomorrow we will start blaming them for our woes or have we started already.

Asian countries are now transferring technology from anywhere in the world, we are busy buying technological products from everywhere.
We have no serious research institute, Western countries spend huge on research.
Our leaders are not accountable, Western leaders are more accountable.
Our international policies are largely distorted and directionless.
What if we are able to drill, refine and sell our oil all by ourselves? But we can't because we have no value for Nigerian brains that have acquired the expertise from Westerners, they prefer working outside Nigeria because they make more money and have security.

Now we depend on oil at the detriment of other mineral resources that could drive our economy quite well and unfortunately oil is one of the factors that greatly influence the international diplomacy of the western nations. Our doctors and we have some of the best, run to US and Dubai for the benefits of better income and security. I have only used Nigeria as a case in point but this situations are not peculiar to Nigeria but we see it happening in all third world countries.

It is my strong conviction that every western nation will accord due respect and regard to any country that manages its independence and sovereignty maximally to the benefits of its people and economy.
We create the loopholes that the western intelligence capitalize on for the furtherance of their domination of world politics and of course economy, and any country or people would do just that, this is the mistake of Gahdaffi and his cohorts.

Gahdaffi's ousting is good riddance and a warning to all the dictators in the world, go go go
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by blacksta(m): 10:20am On Sep 16, 2011
^^

Well Said - Ghaddiffi was a killer and deserved everything he got - The fact that you provided infrastructure does not in anyway give you right to rule the country with impunity and also murder your people.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by bigfat01: 11:54am On Sep 16, 2011
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Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Builder: 1:42pm On Sep 16, 2011
Nigerians are special people especially the ones on NL, no wonder we still swim in poverty after 50+ years of independence and democratic rule, no proper education, nigerian universities are ranked among the lowest in africa, unemployment is at an all time high , inflation is another thing entirely. no infrastructure

Gadaffi is no saint neither is anyone or any president or any prime minister or any monarchy. It sucks some people keep saying the dude is a murderer, show me a solid prove he killed someone and i will show u a million and one proves that George Bush, Tony Blair, Sachozy or any other wester leaders are more prolific than him. the western media so far have corrupt peoples mindset of Gadaffi and pretty much brainwashed them, even the few with lil brains cells left

@Ola One, many thanks for the referencing much appreciated. that just goes to show what the world have been thinking about whats happening in libya and not just the views of a few anti-western NLers.

Just a couple of months ago Ali Ben bongo was seen at the white house with obama at the white house, smiling and shaking hands, no body talked about Bongo strong hold on Gabon and how the west, especially france have dominated the oil fields of Gabon in return for him to stay in power for as long as he wants, or how he carpets any reforms to his government and human rights abuses or his father omar bongo before him ruled Gabon for 40 years there are many more examples of this influences in africa, dosent that shows that the west supports anyone so long has u do as they say. its been documented all over the world from south america to africa and the middle east that the west invades any functioning government be it democracy, or any form of government and replace it with someone they can control, enslave and invade at their will.

Its been said b4, my people perish for lack knowledge, if only black people can open a book and read and understand basic facts and not just what they watch on sky, fox or bbc, thank goodness im no teacher, i wld have resigned long ago

I don tire make i go play xbox small. thank God its friday
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Xfactoria: 1:44pm On Sep 16, 2011
Builder:

The beauty of democracy otherwise known as terrorism as written and practice by the USA and other western democratic states is outline below



In 1953 US overthrows the Prime Minister Mossadeg of Iran and install Shah as the dictator

1954, they overthrow democratically-elected president Arbenz of Guatemala… 200,000 civilians died

1963 US backs assassination of South Vietnamese president Diem

1963-75. America military kills 4 million people n Southeast Asia

September 11 1973: US stages a coup in Chile, democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated, Dictator Augusto Pinochet was installed, and 5,000 Chileans were murdered

1977 US backs military rulers of El-Salvador, 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns were killed

In the 1980s: US train Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill soviets, CIA gave them $3billion

1981: Reagan Administration trains and funds “Contras” 30,000 Nicaraguans die

1982: US provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians and in 83, they secretly gave Iran weapons to kill Iraqis

In 1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as president of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington, US invades panama and removes Noriega, 3,000 Panamanian civilians casualties

In 1990, Iraqi invades Kuwait with weapons from US

1991, US enters Iraq, bush Snr reinstates dictator of Kuwait

1998, Clinton bombs “weapons factory” in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin
1991 to present : America planes bomb Iraqi on a daily basis. United Nations estimates that 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions

2000- 01: US gave Taliban –ruled Afghanistan £245 millions in “aid”, and in September 11, Osama bin laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people

2011, US with the help of NATO disposes Murmur Gadaffi from Libya, and installs an Al- Qaeda led government , more that 40,000 dead



US killed your grandfathers

US was responsible for the prevalance of Polio and Cerebrospinal meningitis among your people in the North

US funded MEND

US is funding Boko Haram

US ensured IBB did not hand-over to MKO, so invariably, US killed June 12

US funded Biafra during the civil war and urged them on

US started corruption in Nigeria

US started all religious riots in Nigeria, including telling people in Borno to burn cars and houses and churches because of a cartoon published in Denmark

US started zoning in Nigeria

Em, Em, what else ooooooooo  Lets just keep blaming the US for everything
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by Xfactoria: 2:05pm On Sep 16, 2011
Builder:

Nigerians are special people especially the ones on NL, no wonder we still swim in poverty after 50+ years of independence and democratic rule, no proper education, nigerian universities are ranked among the lowest in africa, unemployment is at an all time high , inflation is another thing entirely. no infrastructure

Gadaffi is no saint neither is anyone or any president or any prime minister or any monarchy. It sucks some people keep saying the dude is a murderer, show me a solid prove he killed someone and i will show u a million and one proves that George Bush, Tony Blair, Sachozy or any other wester leaders are more prolific than him. the western media so far have corrupt peoples mindset of Gadaffi and pretty much brainwashed them, even the few with lil brains cells left

@Ola One, many thanks for the referencing much appreciated. that just goes to show what the world have been thinking about whats happening in libya and not just the views of a few anti-western NLers.

Just a couple of months ago Ali Ben bongo was seen at the white house with obama at the white house, smiling and shaking hands, no body talked about Bongo strong hold on Gabon and how the west, especially france have dominated the oil fields of Gabon in return for him to stay in power for as long as he wants, or how he carpets any reforms to his government and human rights abuses or his father omar bongo before him ruled Gabon for 40 years there are many more examples of this influences in africa, dosent that shows that the west supports anyone so long has u do as they say. its been documented all over the world from south america to africa and the middle east that the west invades any functioning government be it democracy, or any form of government and replace it with someone they can control, enslave and invade at their will.

Its been said b4, my people perish for lack knowledge, if only black people can open a book and read and understand basic facts and not just what they watch on sky, fox or bbc, thank goodness im no teacher, i wld have resigned long ago

I don tire make i go play xbox small. thank God its friday



Guy, you are the one that needs education.

Did Gabonesse protest Omar Bongo's rule?

Did Omar Bongo open fire on protesters in his country at anytime?

Did Omar Bongo ever unleash the state military force on his fellow Gabonesse?

You said the Monarchy in Saudi Arabia has been there for 50years. But the citizens of that country haven't cried out for the Monarchy to cede power to elected leaders. When they decide to do that, will the Monarchy unleash the state military force on the citizens?

Even as ruthless as Mugabe is, he will never unleash his armed forces on his people and people like you will come here and be saying rubbish.

See the truth is, the west saw an opportunity in Libya's uprising no doubt but it is a wicked distortion of fact to say they started it. Do you know how many Libyans schooled in the west? Do you know how many of those people are longing for their country to offer them opportunity to make a change?

You said you need proof that Gaddafi is a murderer. Didn't the happenings since February show you how ruthless Gaddafi can be? Gaddafi ordered shootings of his citizens protesting his long rule. Will Tony blair, George Bush, Obama, Sarkozy do that to their own people. We are talking about a lack of respect for fellow countrymen.

Lastly, Gaddafi's government lacked legitimacy since inception. Libyans didn't chose him. He forced himself and his family on them. He didn't assume Libya's leadership as birthright. Why didn't he test his popularity via the ballot since he knows he has done what no one lese can do for his people Why didn't transfer power to his well read son before now?? Why won't he allow the people's verdict on him to stand? The truth is Libyans know that all the things you guys count as achievements are obtainable from any government they chose other than Gaddafi. It doesn't seem outstanding to them.
Re: Only If Nigerian Democratic Presidents Will Do 1% Of These For Us by brainpulse: 2:09pm On Sep 16, 2011
@ X-factoria

I love your comment

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