N3TRAL:


Then go to those schools for free and practice there!

Quite a response for a public policy debate!!!

This level of hypocrisy is nauseating.

Including those who are always quick to support rubbish...because of the stipend they get or because they're part of the rougues emptying this country.

You claim to train them at subsidised rates but won't stay for them to treat you when you're ill...

Subsidised but mediocre.

The excellence seen in the medical profession is as a result of determination to self-improve not the so called subsidised training.

I don't know which school that one is talking about where med students spend less than a million...

Na wa o...

[quote author=kokoA post=122860448]I partly agree and disagree with him at thesame time, I have my reasons..

Nigeria has a really messed up system I agree but sometimes let's be rational in our thinking. I have friends who were lucky to get federal government scholarships, TetFunds, etc to study abroad, a lot of them after few months would call you and be like "oboy wetin you still dey do for dat useless Naija, Nigeria hopeless, Naija this, Naija that, blah, blah". Thesame country who fund your trip and pays your fees ?! These are people who cannot afford such on their own.

On the topic, I know a good medical education cost a whole lot everywhere in the world, even in good private schools here in Nigeria but government has been able subsidize to a point that medical students in government universities pay almost nothing. I think on that part, Ngige is right. Having said that, our doctors would love to stay if they politicians stop looting funds needed for equipping our hospitals, our doctors will stay if Ngige, his family and fellow politicians start using our local hospitals, the monies they waste on medical tourism if retained within our health sector would do a great deal to cub brain drain. You train these people for "free" yet you can't entrust your


Nice.

Saga16:
The man is speaking facts.

One sided facts. Does he know how many medical students live on the edge with out food or money to buy text books? He should balance his talk o

N3TRAL:
If you have passed through a public university in Nigeria and then you think Dr. Ngige isn't making sense , then you should forfeit your degree.

Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidized. Nigeria cannot train you almost free of charge and then you run away to a foreign country when Nigeria lacks sufficient manpower in your field of endeavor. The practice is worse than being unpatriotic. It is wickedness.

Medical doctors spend less than a million naira in tuition in Federal universities to complete their program. In fact, during the NYSC program, most medical students make back the money they spent on their tuition.


Many medical doctors in the foreign countries you wickedly dump Nigeria for spend the first two years of their career paying back student loans. Their salary is high because of the high cost of living in their country which is why they pay an average of 100,000 USD for medical education ( tuition+ others fees).

The government doesn't intend to stop you from migrating. No, they'll be stupid to do that because it's against the tenets of FHRs .
The FG is simply telling you, if Nigeria is the worst country on Earth, go to Canada, US or UK and spend 50,000 USD to acquire medical training and then work for them. If you want to benefit from our subsidy then you must compulsorily serve us for a few couple of years.

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However, the policy of the FG is not good for the long run because medical consultants, experts and specialists will greatly reduce in Nigerian hospitals as there's no embargo placed against them.

What's the need of having many medical doctors who are not really proficient?

The best practice remains improving the welfare of Medical practitioners and enlightening them of their Hippocratic oath to serve their black brothers and sisters.

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God Bless Dr Ngige. He's a patriotic Nigerian!

There is nothing zobie cannot defend

Mindlog:
Fact is, medical training is damn too cheap in Nigeria. The foremost public university in Kenya which is the University of Nairobi, their tuition per year for Kenyans studying medicine there is not less than N3.2m. which your family must pay if you are self-sponsored and not on govt loan or scholarship.

On which minimum wage, 32,00 naira? How long will they save to able to afford that?
Are our educational standards comparable to that of kenya, not to talk of the UK ans Us?
How much do doctors earn in Nigeria compared to other countries?

You guys should reason this thing abeg. Even kids who study at private universities where they pay over a million for just a year
Get to earn 300 - 400k, is that sustainable for someone who has numerous mouths to feed?

Do politicians patronise or use Nigerian hospitals? Abeg.

N3TRAL:


LL.B., B. L., LL.M., CIArb (UK).

I'm not yet 25.

😂😂😂😂😂 yet you are online every moment of your life defending a condemned druggie, as you daily activity. Who dash monkey banana, LL .B my ass. If I come oshodi under bridge now you sure say I no go see you with dry gin.

Jorussia:
This issue is a very sensitive one.I think a reasonable exchange rate of 150-250ngn to USD is going to take of the need to search for
greener pastures by our health workers.If the economy is doing good and inflation is low,most people won't think of going oversea.

Exactly. Apc, ngige and his gang should return the country to how they met it 2015. Abi how many doctors or even Nigerians were on the mad rush to japa back then when dollar was 140-180?

Shattuck:
😂😂😂😂😂 yet you are online every moment of your life defending a condemned druggie, as you daily activity. Who dash monkey banana, LL .B my ass. If I come oshodi under bridge now you sure say I no go see you with dry gin.

😂 😂 😂

Shattuck:
😂😂😂😂😂 yet you are online every moment of your life defending a condemned druggie, as you daily activity. Who dash monkey banana, LL .B my ass. If I come oshodi under bridge now you sure say I no go see you with dry gin.

😂 😂 😂

You now have an idea of my resumé.

Now let's hear yours? 😆

Dijita:

Quite a response for a public policy debate!!!

Okay, I'll debate with you later.

Fix a date?

Saga16:


I hate when you guys say a place's growth has nothing to do with leadership yet at the same time claim leadershipnis responsible when it retrogresses.

Lagos is not growing at the pace it should be, Lagos cannot even be compared to other cities in the world even among African cities in terms of livability and infrastructure, your usual defence when you guys are being hit with facts is to compare Lagos with other Nigerian cities, which is a very shallow way of thinking, Lagos has always being the commercial capital of Nigeria even before tinubu became governor, this particular facts you know, but you guys always willfully ignore the obvious.

N3TRAL:


Be logical with your conclusions.

Nigeria cannot afford to pay Doctors the same wages in Europe. The PPP of the Nigerian State makes what they earn in Nigeria reasonable.

Let's compare House Rent for instance:

A new doctor can afford a year's rent of a decent accomodation in Nigeria with just two months salary. The money his colleagues are paying annually for rent in the US can get him a land in a nice area outside Lagos, Abuja and Port Harcourt.

Doctors in Nigeria may not be wealthy but they're doing better when compared to other professionals (per 1,000).

But Nigeria can afford to pay politicians...and our politicians can afford to pay millions for medical treatment abroad.

Nigeria favored Ngige and his practice.

From Day1, he was Doctor to the rich and those in power which he said himself.

Even if this policy is implemented, it must not affect those who studied I private universities or outside Nigeria, thee ones should be entitled to having their licenses

Once this works for Doctors, they will want to try it on Nurses. Anyway, one way to avoid this is to start and transfer abroad later if the law is stringent....

But come ooo, I hope government can keep these new Medical graduates by paying them well

Shattuck:
Lagos is not growing at the pace it should be, Lagos cannot even be compared to other cities in the world even among African cities in terms of livability and infrastructure, your usual defence when you guys are being hit with facts is to compare Lagos with other Nigerian cities, which is a very shallow way of thinking, Lagos has always being the commercial capital of Nigeria even before tinubu became governor, this particular facts you know, but you guys always willfully ignore the obvious.

Nonsense.

All statistics since 1999 suggest Lagos to be growing astronomically.

What you feel is inconsequential.

kokoA:
I partly agree and disagree with him at thesame time, I have my reasons..

Nigeria has a really messed up system I agree but sometimes let's be rational in our thinking. I have friends who were lucky to get federal government scholarships, TetFunds, etc to study abroad, a lot of them after few months would call you and be like "oboy wetin you still dey do for dat useless Naija, Nigeria hopeless, Naija this, Naija that, blah, blah". Thesame country who fund your trip and pays your fees ?! These are people who cannot afford such on their own.

On the topic, I know a good medical education cost a whole lot everywhere in the world, even in good private schools here in Nigeria but government has been able subsidize to a point that medical students in government universities pay almost nothing.

I thought I'd exercise my Nigeria person's entitlementness by boldly and bogusly crossing out the part of your personal statement that I took it upon myself to determine was rubbish and leave intact the excellent rest.

N3TRAL:
If you have passed through a public university in Nigeria and then you think Dr. Ngige isn't making sense , then you should forfeit your degree.

Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidized. Nigeria cannot train you almost free of charge and then you run away to a foreign country when Nigeria lacks sufficient manpower in your field of endeavor. The practice is worse than being unpatriotic. It is wickedness.

Medical doctors spend less than a million naira in tuition in Federal universities to complete their program. In fact, during the NYSC program, most medical students make back the money they spent on their tuition.


Many medical doctors in the foreign countries you wickedly dump Nigeria for spend the first two years of their career paying back student loans. Their salary is high because of the high cost of living in their country which is why they pay an average of 100,000 USD for medical education ( tuition+ others fees).

The government doesn't intend to stop you from migrating. No, they'll be stupid to do that because it's against the tenets of FHRs .
The FG is simply telling you, if Nigeria is the worst country on Earth, go to Canada, US or UK and spend 50,000 USD to acquire medical training and then work for them. If you want to benefit from our subsidy then you must compulsorily serve us for a few couple of years.

---

However, the policy of the FG is not good for the long run because medical consultants, experts and specialists will greatly reduce in Nigerian hospitals as there's no embargo placed against them.

What's the need of having many medical doctors who are not really proficient?

The best practice remains improving the welfare of Medical practitioners and enlightening them of their Hippocratic oath to serve their black brothers and sisters.

---

God Bless Dr Ngige. He's a patriotic Nigerian!

Dr.Chris Ngige is an Hypocrite, he admitted benefiting from government scholarships as a student, why did he left his professional career to join politics? He did so simply because politics is more lucrative than practicing medicine in Nigeria..

Dr Chris Ngige is not different from those he accused of being unpatriotic...

He has been in politics for over 20yrs, so how many years of Medical service did he render to fatherland Nigeria?

N3TRAL:
If you have passed through a public university in Nigeria and then you think Dr. Ngige isn't making sense , then you should forfeit your degree.

Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidized. Nigeria cannot train you almost free of charge and then you run away to a foreign country when Nigeria lacks sufficient manpower in your field of endeavor. The practice is worse than being unpatriotic. It is wickedness.

Medical doctors spend less than a million naira in tuition in Federal universities to complete their program. In fact, during the NYSC program, most medical students make back the money they spent on their tuition.


Many medical doctors in the foreign countries you wickedly dump Nigeria for spend the first two years of their career paying back student loans. Their salary is high because of the high cost of living in their country which is why they pay an average of 100,000 USD for medical education ( tuition+ others fees).

The government doesn't intend to stop you from migrating. No, they'll be stupid to do that because it's against the tenets of FHRs .
The FG is simply telling you, if Nigeria is the worst country on Earth, go to Canada, US or UK and spend 50,000 USD to acquire medical training and then work for them. If you want to benefit from our subsidy then you must compulsorily serve us for a few couple of years.

---

However, the policy of the FG is not good for the long run because medical consultants, experts and specialists will greatly reduce in Nigerian hospitals as there's no embargo placed against them.

What's the need of having many medical doctors who are not really proficient?

The best practice remains improving the welfare of Medical practitioners and enlightening them of their Hippocratic oath to serve their black brothers and sisters.

---

God Bless Dr Ngige. He's a patriotic Nigerian!

Mr Wisdom, I want you to take a moment to analyse what you just posted and what I'm going to write now. You and all the others who have liked your comments should compare both and maybe you'd have a new perspective on this issue.

First off, how do you compare the quality of education we obtain in Nigeria and that of any institution of higher learning in the West? How? It's like comparing a 2022 Rolls Royce Cullinan and a 1989 Volkswagen beetle. As surely as tomorrow is Tuesday,it is expected that the cost of obtaining both would be miles apart.
Do you want to talk about the curriculum and course work? The curriculum of all public universities in Nigeria is mostly theoretical. They pump you full of outdated information that you cannot apply in the real world. The same cannot be said for most foreign universities. Their course modules are a fine mixture of cutting edge theory and practical experience. Students get to apply what they study using real life simulations even before graduation.That is why the western economies are productive and innovative in contrast with the Nigerian economy that is mostly consumptive.

How about course duration: From the day you gained admission into any top university in the West you can easily tell when you would graduate. That cannot be said to be true for any public university in Nigeria. The average duration for a 4 years course is ,6 years because of incessant and protracted strikes. In Nigeria lecturers enjoy failing students and most faculties delight in seeing students spill over.

Let's talk about quality of facilities in Nigerian universities. They are obsolete and inadequate to cater for the number of students admitted each year so you have students cramped in small lecture halls. Compare that with a typical University in the West where admission is offered to a predetermined number of students and each student is provided for in world-class facilities.

You want to talk about the number of lecturers per students in Nigerian universities. Most universities cannot afford to pay lecturers competitive salaries so they make do with few lecturers that cannot adequately educate the teeming number of students admitted into tertiary institutions each year. Google the average salaries of University lecturers in foreign countries. Almost all are well off and offered travel and fellowship programmes and fully funded research work.

Should we talk about the dangers and deprivation almost all Nigerian University students grapple with during their stay in school. Infact if you finish from any public universities in Nigeria alive,with your full limbs and faculties intact,you should do a serious Thanksgiving party. From deadly cultism to ritual killings targeting vulnerable students,to sexual assaults by lecturers and fellow students. How about risk we take to make the fairly regular trips back home with deaths recorded daily on the death traps we call roads. Compare that with the high quality and standard of life in most universities abroad. No fear of cultism, assault and the ease of transportation to places of residences. Airfares,bus fares and train fares are inexpensive and even subsidised for students.

I could go on and on,but let me end with job placements upon graduation. Unemployment is currently above 40% in Nigeria. Underemployment is also in the double digits percentage. It is now common for University graduates to engage in petty trading,bus conductors,POS operators and as private and commercial drivers with abysmal renumeration. Young folks can spend upwards of 6 years before they get a decent job after graduation.
This is in contrast to most college graduates in the West who have well paying jobs waiting for them as soon as they graduate with high labour mobility. Even High School graduates have well paying jobs and can comfortably live well on minimum wage salaries especially if they can keep additional jobs.

So I feel sad for anyone to say that education in Nigeria is subsidised or free and we need to pay back before we can leave this country in search of a better life.
The reality is that Nigerian graduates lose more than what meets the eye from studying in Nigerian Universities. Notice how foreigners don't come to Nigeria to study anymore. Non Nigerians cannot survive one year of course work in a Nigerian public university.

The only thing of value we take away from our Nigerian tertiary education is resilience and toughness. I'd say it's like being placed in a slow burning furnace, you either get baked or you get crudely burnt. That's why we do so well in civilised climes where the system is actually easy
and designed to make you succeed or at the least get by.

So Bleep Ngige and his bigotry and Bleep anyone who supports his crazy, senile, wicked, insensitive and evil thoughts on
how things actually are in Nigeria.

PS; Forgive any Typos

N3TRAL:



You're the stupid one.

How much do Nigerian Footballers earn?

How much do Nigerian Policemen earn?

Where government go carry 4 million dash you? For wetin 😂

You’re the one lacking logical ability to make right and contextual comparisons. A footballer in Naija makes N100k… but in EU/US can make $500k/mo and Naija govt is not stopping him.
But a Naija doc in Naija who makes N200k/mo is being stopped by govt from going to EU/US to make more.. why?
A naija Doc is not a property of the state… and cannot be stopped by the state to move freely to another country. If Naija is not stopping lawyers, sociologists, anthropologists from moving.. why is it justifiable to selectively punish doctors? No be somebody make them politrickians born blockhead pikin wey no fit read and pass Chemistry, Biology, Math, Physics … Science students no be ur mate.. na why una run from SS1

N3TRAL:


😂 😂 😂

You now have an idea of my resumé.

Now let's hear yours? 😆

I am a computer scientist by educational background, and I do not defend evil.

Mindlog:
Fact is, medical training is damn too cheap in Nigeria. The foremost public university in Kenya which is the University of Nairobi, their tuition per year for Kenyans studying medicine there is not less than N3.2m. which your family must pay if you are self-sponsored and not on govt loan or scholarship.

So what do you suggest as a middle ground?

While Ngige makes sense, he and his crew do not have the moral stand to oppose Medical personnel leaving as soon as they can because they have failed to equip the health institutions, create healthy working conditions for health care workers, and renumerate them properly.

They have also not addressed their disgraceful habit of medical tourism.

Saga16:


Nonsense.

All statistics since 1999 suggest Lagos to be growing astronomically.

What you feel is inconsequential.

to each it's own, if you believe this is excellent grade A leadership, good for you, those who know the standard things ought to be, know this is mediocrity.

BigIyanga:

You’re the one lacking logical ability to make right and contextual comparisons. A footballer in Naija makes N100k… but in EU/US can make $500k/mo and Naija govt is not stopping him.
But a Naija doc in Naija who makes N200k/mo is being stopped by govt from going to EU/US to make more.. why?
A naija Doc is not a property of the state… and cannot be stopped by the state to move freely to another country. If Naija is not stopping lawyers, sociologists, anthropologists from moving.. why is it justifiable to selectively punish doctors? No be somebody make them politrickians born blockhead pikin..

No one subsidizes the training of Footballers 😂

Also, they always return to serve Nigeria via the Super Eagles , Super Falcons or the Olympics football team 😂.

They make Nigeria proud!

Five years of compulsory service is not too much to ask for, sweet heart.

Shattuck:
to each it's own, if you believe this is excellent grade A leadership, good for you, those who know the standard things ought to be, know this is mediocrity.

Yes, they would come and put food in your mouth before it is standard.

How many countries have you been before?

Nonsense.

Shattuck:
I am a computer scientist by educational background, and I do not defend evil.

I guess we'll agree that evil is subjective.

I consider Peter Obi an evil man.

One of the women on that YourViewTVC made a true remark which was that due to the habit of politics, the Nigeria masses will criticise government for the declaration of intent or actual enactment - that on qualifying as doctor you're required to practice a set amount of years in Nigeria before free to practice abroad - even though they, masses, will be the ones that benefit.

GreyLaw:
This creemenal. You were practising in the US before coming back for politics. Now you make billions here and call it patriotic service.

You don't train anybody free. They pay school fees and you give them substandard training with poor equipements and they have to study until the are almost dead before they graduate. When they get abroad they still have a lot of observation and learning to do. They work very hard to be recognised by their peers.

Your argument is a bit is a chicken and egg arguement. Your say the education is substandard despite the fees. The government says the education is substandard because the fees are inconsequential.

I think a good test is to find out what they pay in private universities in Nigeria. Only then can you assess whether the government universities are dirt cheap or not.

And from what I know, they actually are dirt cheap.

Saga16:


When would you be satisfied?

Could you ever be satisfied?

I don't blame most Nigerians who cannot think for themselves.

Very soon, you would have money but no doctors.

That's when you would understand it isn't everything you oppose.

A good leader is expected to lead by example, we have terrible leaders masquerading as politicians, they have not shown any amount of patriotism Nigeria.

What will it cost them to equip public hospitals and also take care of the welfare of the practitioners if indeed they are sincere?

We have seen a pattern where elected officials tripping abroad In search of medical care while our own Doctors are being neglected back home..

Our politicians should be held responsible for the Brain drain because they are the architect of what's happening today in our health sector today..

Saga16:


Yes, they would come and put food in your mouth before it is standard.

How many countries have you been before?

Nonsense.

the world is a global village, and our minds are formed different, I guess you are one of those people who would kiss the feet of your leaders when a street light is being commission, Desmond Elliot commission a wooden bridge I guess in your feeble mind Desmond Elliot is greater than lee Kuan yew. People like you make our leaders feel so good about the little things they do, you make them feel like heroes. Free your mind from mediocrity.

N3TRAL:
If you have passed through a public university in Nigeria and then you think Dr. Ngige isn't making sense , then you should forfeit your degree.

Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidized. Nigeria cannot train you almost free of charge and then you run away to a foreign country when Nigeria lacks sufficient manpower in your field of endeavor. The practice is worse than being unpatriotic. It is wickedness.

Medical doctors spend less than a million naira in tuition in Federal universities to complete their program. In fact, during the NYSC program, most medical students make back the money they spent on their tuition.


Many medical doctors in the foreign countries you wickedly dump Nigeria for spend the first two years of their career paying back student loans. Their salary is high because of the high cost of living in their country which is why they pay an average of 100,000 USD for medical education ( tuition+ others fees).

The government doesn't intend to stop you from migrating. No, they'll be stupid to do that because it's against the tenets of FHRs .
The FG is simply telling you, if Nigeria is the worst country on Earth, go to Canada, US or UK and spend 50,000 USD to acquire medical training and then work for them. If you want to benefit from our subsidy then you must compulsorily serve us for a few couple of years.

---

However, the policy of the FG is not good for the long run because medical consultants, experts and specialists will greatly reduce in Nigerian hospitals as there's no embargo placed against them.

What's the need of having many medical doctors who are not really proficient?

The best practice remains improving the welfare of Medical practitioners and enlightening them of their Hippocratic oath to serve their black brothers and sisters.

---

God Bless Dr Ngige. He's a patriotic Nigerian!

The way you people reason is shocking. These so called bringing this confusion enjoyed scholarship to study both home and abroad and nobody stopped them from actualizing their dreams.

N3TRAL:


No one subsidizes the training of Footballers 😂

Also, they always return to serve Nigeria via the Super Eagles , Super Falcons or the Olympics football team 😂.

They make Nigeria proud!

Five years of compulsory service is not too much to ask for, sweet heart.

Nobody subsidized medical education in Naija. They paid same tuition like lawyers and sociologists in Naija. Do Lawyers get their education subsidized by going thru law school??

You’re not sounding like a good lawyer as you claim… lol. Naija footballers are liberty to choose Ukraine over Naija. Naija footballers get paid like $10k/pee match bonus not N100k/per match bonus. So NFF uses global pay scale to compensate players.. but Naija wants to use Sambisa payscale to pay Naija docs… that’s red card that cant be overruled by VAR

clinician2x:


You are very stupid. A resident doctor earns 280k a month in Nigeria and 4m a month in USA. Why can't the federal govt increase their pay, put money in developing the health sector and stop oversea medical trip. Mumu

This comparison of Nigerian and American salaries is usually not a good arguement, cos cost of living is also higher in America.

A standard 3bedroom house in a major city in America will range from $1500 to $2,300 PER Month. Likewise electricity,petrol, water,gas, insurance, medicals are far higher than Nigeria.