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Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 7:21pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
Personal Life: Charles Martel first married Rotrude of Treves with whom he had five children before her death in 724. These were Hiltrud, Carloman, Landrade, Auda, and Pippin the Younger. Following Rotrude's death, Charles married Swanhild, with whom he had a son Grifo. In addition to his two wives, Charles had an ongoing affair with his mistress, Ruodhaid. Their relationship produced four children, Bernard, Hieronymus, Remigius, and Ian. Rise to Power: By the end of 715, Charles had escaped from captivity and found support among the Austrasians. Over the next three years, Charles conducted a civil war that culminated in the Battle of Soissons against King Chilperic and the Duke of Aquitaine, Odo the Great. Victorious, Charles was able to gain recognition for his titles as mayor of the palace and duke and prince of the Franks. Over the next five years he consolidated power as well as conquered Bavaria and Alemmania. With the Frankish lands secured, Charles next began to prepare for an anticipated attack from the Muslim Umayyads to the south. Battle of Tours: In 721, the Umayyads first came north and were defeated by Odo at the Battle of Toulouse. Having assessed the situation in Iberia and the Umayyad attack on Aquitaine, Charles came to believe that a professional army, rather than raw conscripts, was needed to defend the realm from invasion. To raise the money necessary to build and train an army that could withstand the Muslim horsemen, Charles began seizing Church lands, earning the ire of the religious community. In 732, the Umayyads moved north again led by Emir Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi. Commanding approximately 80,000 men, he plundered Aquitaine. As Abdul Rahman sacked Aquitaine, Odo fled north to seek aid from Charles. This was granted in exchange for Odo recognizing Charles as his overlord. Mobilizing his army, Charles moved to intercept the Umayyads. In order to avoid detection and allow Charles to select the battlefield, the approximately 30,000 Frankish troops moved over secondary roads toward the town of Tours. For the battle, Charles selected a high, wooded plain which would force the Umayyad cavalry to charge uphill. Forming a large square, his men surprised Abdul Rahman, forcing the Umayyad emir to pause for a week to consider his options. On the seventh day, after gathering all of his forces, Abdul Rahman attacked with his Berber and Arab cavalry. In one of the few instances where medieval infantry stood up to cavalry, Charles' troops defeated repeated Umayyad attacks. As the battle waged, the Umayyads finally broke through the Frankish lines and attempted to kill Charles. He was promptly surrounded by his personal guard who repulsed the attack. As this was occurring, scouts that Charles had sent out earlier were infiltrating the Umayyad camp and freeing prisoners. Believing that the plunder of the campaign was being stolen, a large part of the Umayyad army broke off the battle and raced to protect their camp. While attempting to stop the apparent retreat, Abdul Rahman was surrounded and killed by Frankish troops. Briefly pursued by the Franks, the Umayyad withdrawal turned into a full retreat. Charles reformed his troops expecting another attack, but to his surprise it never came as the Umayyads continued their retreat all the way to Iberia. Charles' victory at the Battle of Tours saved Western Europe from the Muslim invasions and was a turning point in European history. Later Life: After spending the next three years securing his eastern borders, Charles moved south to fend off an Umayyad invasion in Provence. In 736, he led a successful campaign that expelled the Umayyads from the region and for the first time integrated heavy cavalry into his formations. From 737, until his death in 741, Charles focused on the administration of his realm and expanding his influence. When he died on October 22, 741, his lands were divided between his sons Carloman and Pippin the Younger. The latter would father the next great Carolingian leader, Charlemagne. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 7:22pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
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Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Sweetnecta: 7:53pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
Like Muhammad [as] said a companion [ra] to inform the Makka pagan upon their defeating the Muslims, that the dead among the Muslism are in Jannah, while the dead of the pagans are in Naar. This was in reply to them boasting that they inflicted heavy casualty on the Muslims. That is true in the case of what happened in Europe. inchaAllah, the dead muslims will enter Jannah. the dead of the enemies of Islam will enter where they enter. those who wish for heaven, note that there are 7 heavens and no a single one of them contains Jannah. no one should be beating his chest that the christians defeated the muslims. before this the pagans defeated the muslims. before thing, the jews or pagan rome defeated Jesus, according to the accounts in the gospels. before this, pharaoh defeated the jews. before this according to the beliefs of the jews and christians, Jacob single handedly defeated Yahweh and man when he wrestled what he wrestled. after the most recent of these, the nazis defeated the jews. whats the current score? which group is leading? which group will be successful at the end; on the day of Judgment? By Allah it will be the Muslims inchaAllah. Allah says the party of Allah is the party that is the successful. Allah says the believers in Islamic monotheism is the victorious party. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 8:00pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
no one should be beating his chest that the christians defeated the muslims. before this the pagans defeated the muslims. before thing, the jews or pagan rome defeated Jesus, according to the accounts in the gospels. before this, pharaoh defeated the jews. before this according to the beliefs of the jews and christians, Jacob single handedly defeated Yahweh and man when he wrestled what he wrestled. after the most recent of these, the nazis defeated the jews. Brother , now I am beginning to worry about your mental state in reference to the bolded statements !! |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:16pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
when one hears about this so called "hero who saved christian western europe",one would imagine that thereafter these "christian angels" lived together happily. with all the bloodshed europe witnessed from christian europeans fighting themselves in endless war and committing massacres,if all those that were killed were to be alive today,they will curse charles martel.for surely muslim rule wherever it took place brought peace and stability to that region and importantly islam gets introduced to the people.now before anyone jumps and tell about modern times and the bloodshed in muslim countries,let me remind you that this phenomenon only started after the creation of the so called state of israel on palestinian land.before that,there was nothing like "terrorism" or "suicide bombers".the only time people then heard of suicide bombers or kamikaze was when the japanese who introduced the act attacked pearl harbour.all the violence experienced and attributed to muslims came after 1948 when the zionists declared their independence on palestinian lands and european jews were exported from europe into palestine through zionism and its terror machine.infact,the christian european wars and violence and hate did not only affect christians but also targetted the jews.the christian european intolerance of the jews in europe is even more reason why they european support foreign jews to settle in palestine and leave europe. also,many of the terrorism and violence have being linked with western intelligence efforts to cause mayhem in muslim lands.take for instance the assasinations iranian nuclear scientists have suffered in a bid to hamper iran's peaceful nuclear drive for electricity and technological advancement.also another instance is the cross sectarian violence in post saddam iraq engineered by the american CIA to cause strife between sunni and shia muslims.they always plot to make sure muslims dont live in peace and islam is not credited with progress.they are the devils yet they pretend that they are against "terrorism".we should also not forget that the americans created al qaeda and the taliban in afghanistan to fight the soviets. all this said (as a Shia who dislikes the Umayyads) is really not to give credit to the Umayyads who were themselves corrupt rulers in the islamic world and they were by far the worse rulers of muslims.i am only giving credit to Islam and the Muslim way of life.yet still when you compare the worse rulers of the islamic world (the umayyads) to the europeans,you find out that the europeans were by far more violent and brutal among themselves as my next post woudl clarify. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 8:22pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
Only Muslims turn history upside down and make a major defeat of their armies into a major victory |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:25pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
[size=18pt]WARS FOUGHT BY CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS WHEREBY THEY MOSTLY KILLED THEMSELVES[/size] before 19th century Battle of the Milvian Bridge, 312 Battle of the Hellespont, 324 The Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa Battle of Sluys from a manuscript Battle of Nájera, 1367 Battle of Formigny, 1450 Battle of Marignano, 1515 Siege of Narva, 1558 St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, 1572 Siege of Breda, 1624 Action at La Hogue, 1692 Battle of Denain, 1712 Battle of Fontenoy. 1745 Great Siege of Gibraltar, 1779-83 Battle of Marengo, 180069 Year of the Four Emperors 193 Year of the Five Emperors 238 Year of the Six Emperors 284-285 Roman civil war 306-324 Civil Wars of the Tetrarchy 350-351 Roman civil war 360-361 Roman civil war 387-388 Roman civil war 394 Roman civil war of 394 AD 535-554 Gothic War 582-602 Maurice's Balkan campaigns ~600-793 Frisian-Frankish Wars 680–1355 Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars 711-718 Umayyad conquest of Hispania 715-718 Frankish Civil War (715–718) 722-1492 Reconquista 772-804 Saxon Wars 839-1330 Bulgarian–Serbian Wars ~997-1445 Swedish–Novgorodian Wars 1015-1016 Pisan–Genoese expeditions to Sardinia 1050-1185 Byzantine–Norman wars 1066-1088 Norman conquest of England 1169 Norman invasion of Ireland 1185-1204 Uprising of Asen and Peter 1208-1227 Conquest of Estonia 1209-1229 Albigensian Crusade 1220-1264 The Age of the Sturlungs 1223-1241 Mongol invasion of Europe 1256-1381 Venetian–Genoese Wars 1277-1280 Uprising of Ivaylo 1282-1302 War of the Sicilian Vespers 1296-1357 Wars of Scottish Independence 1321-1328 Byzantine civil war of 1321–1328 1323-1328 Peasant revolt in Flanders 1326-1332 Polish–Teutonic War 1337-1453 Hundred Years' War 1340-1392 Galicia–Volhynia Wars 1340-1396 Bulgarian–Ottoman Wars 1341-1347 Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347 1342-1350 Zealot's Rebellion 1343-1345 St. George's Night Uprising 1356-1358 Jacquerie 1366-1369 Castilian Civil War 1366-1526 Ottoman–Hungarian Wars 1371-1381 War of Chioggia 1373-1379 Byzantine civil war of 1373–1379 1381 Peasants' Revolt 1382 Harelle and Maillotins Revolt 1409-1411 Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War 1414 Hunger War 1419-1434 Hussite Wars 1422 Gollub War 1425-1454 Wars in Lombardy 1431-1435 Polish–Teutonic War 1437 Budai Nagy Antal Revolt 1438-1556 Russo-Kazan Wars 1440-1446 Old Zürich War 1443-1444 Long campaign 1447-1448 Albanian–Venetian War 1449-1450 First Margrave War 1451-1455 Navarrese Civil War 1454-1466 Thirteen Years' War 1455-1487 Wars of the Roses 1462-1485 Rebellion of the Remences 1462-1472 Catalonian Civil War 1466-1469 Irmandiño Wars 1467-1479 War of the Priests 1468 Waldshut War 1470-1471 Dano-Swedish War 1475-1479 War of the Castilian Succession 1478 Carinthian peasant revolt 1482-1484 War of Ferrara 1495-1497 Russo-Swedish War 1497 Cornish Rebellion of 1497 1499 Swabian War 1494-1498 Italian War of 1494–1498 1499-1504 Italian War of 1499–1504 1508-1516 War of the League of Cambrai 1514 Poor Conrad's Rebellion 1514 Dózsa rebellion 1515 Slovenian peasant revolt 1519-1521 Polish–Teutonic War 1520-1521 Revolt of the Comuneros 1521-1523 Revolt of the Brotherhoods 1521-1523 Swedish War of Liberation 1522-1523 Knights' Revolt 1522–1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars 1524-1525 Peasants' War 1529 First War of Kappel 1531 Second War of Kappel 1534-1536 Count's Feud 1536-1537 Pilgrimage of Grace 1540 Salt War 1542-1543 Dacke War 1543-1550 The Rough Wooing 1546-1547 Schmalkaldic War 1549 Kett's Rebellion 1549 Prayer Book Rebellion 1552-1555 Second Margrave War 1554 Wyatt's rebellion 1554-1557 Russo-Swedish War 1558-1583 Livonian War 1562-1598 French Wars of Religion 1563-1570 Northern Seven Years' War 1568-1570 Morisco Revolt 1568–1648 Eighty Years' War 1573 Croatian–Slovenian peasant revolt 1580-1583 War of the Portuguese Succession 1585-1604 Anglo-Spanish War (1585) 1587-1588 War of the Polish Succession 1590-1595 Russo-Swedish War 1593-1606 Long War 1593-1617 Moldavian Magnate Wars 1594-1603 Nine Years War (Ireland) 1596-1597 Cudgel War 1605-1618 Polish–Muscovite War 1606-1607 Bolotnikov Rebellion 1610-1617 Ingrian War 1611-1613 Kalmar War 1615-1618 Uskok War 1618–1648 Thirty Years' War 1620-1621 Polish–Ottoman War 1632-1634 Smolensk War 1638 Ostrzanin Uprising 1639-1651 Wars of the Three Kingdoms 1640-1688 Portuguese Restoration War 1642–1651 English Civil War 1651 Kostka-Napierski Uprising 1652-1674 Anglo-Dutch Wars 1653 Swiss peasant war of 1653 1654-1667 Russo-Polish War 1655-1660 Second Northern War 1656 War of Villmergen 1663-1664 Austro-Turkish War 1667–1668 War of Devolution 1670-1671 Razin's Rebellion 1672-1678 Franco-Dutch War 1679 Covenanter Rebellion 1683–1699 Great Turkish War 1685 Monmouth Rebellion 1688-1697 War of the League of Augsburg 1700–1721 Great Northern War 1701–1713 War of the Spanish Succession 1703-1711 Rákóczi's War for Independence 1707-1708 Bulavin Rebellion 1712 Toggenburg war 1714-1718 Ottoman–Venetian War 1715-1716 Jacobite Rising of 1715 1716-1718 Austro-Turkish War 1718-1720 War of the Quadruple Alliance 1727-1729 Anglo-Spanish War 1733-1738 War of the Polish Succession 1735-1739 Russo-Turkish War 1737-1739 Austro-Turkish War 1740–1748 War of the Austrian Succession 1741-1743 Russo-Swedish War 1745-1746 Jacobite Rising of 1745 1756–1763 Seven Years' War 1763-1864 Russian–Circassian War 1768-1772 War of the Bar Confederation 1768-1774 Russo-Turkish War 1770 Orlov Revolt 1774-1775 Pugachev's Rebellion 1775-1782 American Revolutionary War (European theatre) 1778-1779 War of the Bavarian Succession 1787-1791 Austro-Turkish War 1787-1792 Russo-Turkish War 1790 Saxon Peasants' Revolt 1792 Polish–Russian War of 1792 1792–1802 French Revolutionary Wars 1794 Kościuszko Uprising 1798 Irish Rebellion of 1798 |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:26pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
19th century Napoléon at the Battle of Austerlitz, by François Pascal Simon, Baron Gérard Battle of Akhalzic (1828), by January Suchodolski Napoleon III at the Battle of Solferino by Jean-Louis-Ernest Meissonier. Oil on canvas, 1863. 'The Sea Battle of Lissa by Carl Frederik Sørensen, 1868.1803–1815 Napoleonic Wars 1804-1813 First Serbian Uprising 1815-1817 Second Serbian Uprising 1817-1864 Russian conquest of the Caucasus 1821-1832 Greek War of Independence 1821 Wallachian uprising of 1821 1823 French invasion of Spain 1826-1828 Russo-Persian War 1828-1829 Russo-Turkish War 1828-1834 Liberal Wars 1830 Ten Days Campaign (following the Belgian Revolt) 1830-1831 November Uprising 1831-1832 Great Bosnian uprising 1833-1839 First Carlist War 1833-1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–1839 1843-1844 Albanian Revolt of 1843–1844 1846 Galician slaughter 1846-1849 Second Carlist War 1847 Albanian Revolt of 1847 1847 Sonderbund War 1848-1849 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence 1848-1851 First Schleswig War 1848–1866 Wars of Italian Independence 1848–1849 First Italian Independence War 1859 Second Italian War of Independence 1866 Third Italian War of Independence 1854 Epirus Revolt of 1854 1854–1856 Crimean War 1858 Mahtra War 1863-1864 January Uprising 1864 Second Schleswig War 1864 January Uprising 1866 Austro-Prussian War 1866-1869 Cretan Revolt 1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War 1872-1876 Third Carlist War 1873-1874 Cantonal Revolution 1877–1878 Russo–Turkish War 1878 Epirus Revolt of 1878 1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War 1893–1896 Cod War of 1893 1897 Greco–Turkish War |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:27pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
1900-1945 Explosion of the Hawthorn Ridge mine, 1 July 1916, marked the beginning of the Battle of the Somme. Republican International Brigadiers at the Battle of Belchite German Stuka dive bombers in the Eastern Front (World War II) A Soviet IS-2 tank in Leipzig during the East Germany Uprising UN troops on their way up "Sniper Alley" in Sarajevo during the Bosnian War A Russian helicopter downed by Chechen militants, during the First Chechen War The Russian Army's Vostok Battalion in South Ossetia.1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910 1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War 1912–1913 Balkan Wars 1912-1913 First Balkan War 1913 Second Balkan War 1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania 1914–1918 World War I 1916 Easter Rising 1917–1921 Russian Civil War 1918 Finnish Civil War 1918 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia 1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War 1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising 1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War 1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence 1919 Hungarian–Romanian War of 1919 1919-1922 Greco-Turkish War 1919-1923 Turkish War of Independence 1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War 1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings 1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War 1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War 1920 Polish-Lithuanian War 1921 Uprising in West Hungary 1922–1923 Irish Civil War 1934 Asturian miners' strike of 1934 1936–1939 Spanish Civil War 1939 Slovak-Hungarian War 1939 Occupation of Zakarpattia Oblast by Hungary 1939–1945 World War II 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland 1939-1940 Winter War 1940-1941Greco-Italian War 1941-1945 Soviet-German war 1941-1944 Continuation War 1944 Slovak National Uprising |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:27pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
1945-1989 1945-1949 Greek Civil War 1953 Uprising in East Germany 1956 Uprising in Poznań 1956 Hungarian Revolution 1959-present Basque Conflict 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia 1968-1998 The Troubles 1970-1984 Unrest in Italy |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:29pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
1989-2000 1989 Romanian Revolution 1991 Ten-Day War 1991-1992 South Ossetian War of Independence 1991-1993 Georgian Civil War 1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence 1992 War of Transnistria 1992 Ossetian-Ingush conflict 1992-1993 First War in Abkhazia 1992-1995 Bosnian War 1994-1996 First Chechen War 1998-1999 Kosovo War 1998-present Republican Dissidents Conflict 1998 Second War in Abkhazia 1999 Dagestan War 1999-2009 Second Chechen War 1999-2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:30pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
21st century 2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia 2002 Perejil Island crisis 2004 Unrest in Kosovo 2004 Adjara crisis 2007 Civil war in Ingushetia 2008 War in South Ossetia 2009-present Insurgency in the North Caucasus |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:31pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
[size=18pt]List of conflicts in Europe[/size] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 8:34pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
frosbel: and only evil christians and "turn thy other cheek pretenders" with their monsterous and infamous zionist friends boast about winning wars and destroying fellow human lives how shameless!!! |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 9:52pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
^^^^ You have to admit though, that ISLAM is a blood soaked demonic cult. It has nothing to do with GOD. You are simply slaves of SATAN that need freedom !!! |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by aletheia(m): 9:56pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
. . .apparently this thread has touched a raw nerve among some "Muslims". At topic: I would be loath to consider Western Europe as "Christian" in 732 AD. Just as it is said of the "Holy Roman Empire". It was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire. @LagosShia: You can list all the wars you wish. . .it proves nothing except that men will always fight wars. But answer this question: Was it Christians that killed your precious Ali? I'm sure the answer will help you to realize your delusion and perhaps help you remember all the wars fought by you so called Muslims among yourselves. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 10:02pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
^^ Agree with you brother, it was not Christian in any sense of the word. It was more like Pagan Catholic against Pagan Muslim. However if the Pagan Muslims, the ALLAH Slaves had won, Most Europeans would have been wearing long beards and wearing Arab clothes by now !! |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 10:08pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
But also remember that Europe also nailed the ISLAM Caliphate into the Coffin of history !!! All over the world Muslims are crying out for caliphate , our caliphate, but the fact is it is gone forever. They also want to return to the golden age Not sure what golden age we are talking about here, because infidels lived as second class citizens and paid the Jizya, tax for infidels. So Europe has always been a thorn in the flesh of ISLAM and scary enough they are waking up to the threat of ISLAM. Not sure what will happen next, but we should pray for all humble deceived Muslims worldwide for their salvation before it is too late. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by aletheia(m): 10:16pm On Sep 24, 2011 |
frosbel:^True. May our Father in Heaven grant these ones grace to know His Son. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by Nobody: 10:27am On Sep 25, 2011 |
sure |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 1:02pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
frosbel: if anything is blood soaked and demonic it is the bible you flunt around as "holy" with its pages dripping blood. Judges 21:10-12 10So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11“This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan. 1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter. "Killing Children Is Bible Miracle!": https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735998.0.html |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 1:07pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
aletheia:it does mean something.it shows you how the christian western europe as "frosbel" called it butchered themselves over the centuries in countless wars. citing the matyrdom of Imam Ali (as) to counter me is rather blind and foolish.as a "christian" you claim to be i expect you to understand what happened more than anyone.the trio of abu sufyan,his son muawiya and his grandson yazeed are the "judases of islam".they have always being enemies to muslims and islam from the days of the Prophet (sa).can i hold christians responsible for selling Jesus and betraying him because judas pretended to be one of his disciples? |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 1:10pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
frosbel: let people see you christians for what you really are.your jealousy of and hate for islam and muslims is heart aching for you that you'd prefer anything anywhere to Islam.but guess what?Islam in europe is well and fine because muslims are not only muslims by name.they act as muslims and practice their religion.christianity in europe is long dead and over.europe is more atheistic than christian.and if you consider the catholics too as pagans,then be sure that your type of christians are in the minority in europe and very insignificant. |
Re: Charles Martel The Hero Of France Who Saved Christian Western Europe In 732 Ad ! by LagosShia: 1:22pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
frosbel:you can be sure that i as a Shia Muslim i am the least worried about the so called caliphate.imamate is what we believe in and it has both the spiritual dimension of islamic leadership and the physical dimension (caliphate).Islamic leadership belongs to the Ahlul-Bayt (as),in particular the 12 Imams of the progeny of the Prophet Muhammad (sa) and not some self-declared sultan or caliph or emir. going back to the topic,it was Islam that nailed the christian roman empire.the countries in the levant (lebanon,syria,jordan and palestine) are majority muslim lands that were won by the muslims from the christians.the people in those lands up to this day are muslims.likewise with Egypt and Turkey whose capital Istanbul in europe mainland ("the city that abides by islam"=Istanbul) was formerly the christian byzantine capital of Constantinopole.Islam indeed brought an end to a "christian empire" which was formerly the pagan roman empire.european countries like kosovo,bosnia,albania and azerbaijan and others have muslim majority. the jizya is a tax like any other.muslims by far pay more tax than non-muslims.muslims pay zakat and khums and give sadaqa.non-muslims are exempte from military service and only pay a tax known as jizya to the state. talking about "waking up to the threat of islam" is rather laughable when the i think of the below threads: "German Priest Burns Himself To Death To Protest Spread Of Islam": https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-551584.0.html "Norway Christian Terrorist Motive:"to Demand Crusade Against Spread Of Islam": https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-719777.0.html |
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