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Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by DaveHarry(m): 11:50am On May 21, 2023
As the G7 leaders sent a strong message to Russia by inviting Volodymyr Zelensky to Hiroshima, another rival was also on their minds - China.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said China posed "the greatest challenge of our age" in regards to global security and prosperity, and that it was "increasingly authoritarian at home and abroad".

And in not one but two statements, the leaders of the world's richest democracies made clear to Beijing their stance on divisive issues such as the Indo-Pacific and Taiwan. But the most important part of their message centred on what they called "economic coercion".

It's a tricky balancing act for the G7. Through trade their economies have become inextricably dependent on China, but competition with Beijing has increased and they disagree on many issues including human rights.

Now, they worry they are being held hostage.

In recent years, Beijing has been unafraid to slap trade sanctions on countries that have displeased them. This includes South Korea, when Seoul installed a US missile defence system, and Australia during a recent period of chilly relations.

The European Union was particularly alarmed when China blocked Lithuanian exports after the Baltic country allowed Taiwan to set up a de facto embassy there.

So it is unsurprising that the G7 would condemn what they see as a "disturbing rise" of the "weaponisation of economic vulnerabilities".

This coercion, they said, seeks to "undermine the foreign and domestic policies and positions of G7 members as well as partners around the world".

They called for "de-risking"- a policy that Ms von der Leyen, who is attending the summit, has championed. This is a more moderate version of the US' idea of "decoupling" from China, where they would talk tougher in diplomacy, diversify trade sources, and protect trade and technology.

They have also launched a "coordination platform" to counter the coercion and work with emerging economies. While it's still vague on how this would work exactly, we're likely to see countries helping each other out by increasing trade or funding to work around any blockages put up by China.

The G7 also plans to strengthen supply chains for important goods such as minerals and semiconductors, and beef up digital infrastructure to prevent hacking and stealing of technology.

But the biggest stick they plan to wield is multilateral export controls. This means working together to ensure their technologies, particularly those used in military and intelligence, don't end up in the hands of "malicious actors" .
The US is already doing this with its ban on exports of chips and chip technology to China, which Japan and the Netherlands have joined. The G7 is making clear such efforts would not only continue, but ramp up, despite Beijing's protestations.

They also said they would continue to crack down on the "inappropriate transfers" of technology shared through research activities. The US and many other countries have been concerned about industrial espionage and have jailed people accused of stealing tech secrets for China.

At the same time, the G7 leaders were clear they did not want to sever the cord.

Much of their language on economic coercion did not name China, in an apparent diplomatic attempt to not directly point a finger at Beijing.

When they did talk about China, they stood their ground in a nuanced way.

They sought to placate Beijing, saying their policies were "not designed to harm China nor do we seek to thwart China's economic progress and development". They were "not decoupling or turning inwards".

But they also put pressure on the Chinese to cooperate, saying that a "growing China that plays by international rules would be of global interest".

They also called for "candid" engagement where they could still express their concerns directly to China, signalling their willingness to keep communication lines open in a tense atmosphere.

We won't know how, privately, Chinese leaders and diplomats will take the G7's message. But state media in the past has hit back at the West for trying to have it both ways, by criticising China while also enjoying the fruits of their economic partnership.

For now Beijing has chosen to fall back on its usual angry rhetoric for its public response.

China had clearly anticipated the G7's statements and in the days leading up to the summit, its state media and embassies put out pieces accusing the US of its own economic coercion and hypocrisy.

On Saturday evening, they accused the G7 of "smearing and attacking" China and lodged a complaint with summit organiser Japan.

They also urged the other G7 countries not to become the US' "accomplice in economic coercion", and called on them to "stop ganging up to form exclusive blocs" and "containing and bludgeoning other countries".

It is worth noting that China has also sought to create its own alliances with other countries, and late last week just as the G7 summit kicked off, it hosted a parallel meeting with Central Asian countries.

It's still not clear if the G7's plan will work. But it is likely to be welcomed by those who have called for a clear strategy to handle China's encroachments.

Indo-Pacific and China expert Andrew Small praised the statement as having "the feel of a real consensus", noting that it expressed the "centre-ground" view of the G7.

"There are still major debates playing out around what 'de-risking' actually means, how far some of the sensitive technology export restrictions should go, and what sort of collective measures need to be taken against economic coercion," said Dr Small, a senior transatlantic fellow with the German Marshall Fund think tank.

"But there is now a clear and explicit framing around how the economic relationships with China among the advanced industrial economies need to be rebalanced."

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Nobody: 12:04pm On May 21, 2023
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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 10:50pm On May 21, 2023
It's not a coincidence that the so called G7 are all former colonial countries, native slaughterers, imperialistic pigs who are desperate to uphold their so called "international rule base order".

And I keep asking, what does that shit mean? You hear it from Biden, Blinken, Sunak, Sullivan, but none are courageous enough to explain what this rule base order means.

Anyways it's Common sense. The order is what they created after the second world war, to keep themselves on top and the rest of the world impoverished. From bretton woods to ICC, IMF to democracy, it's one giant ecosystem that is designed to keep others poor and weak permanently.

They couldn't believe their eyes that China who suffer a hundred years of humiliation can recover and surpassed them all combined. Within the coming years, Chinese economy will grow bigger than the whole G7 combined.

It's divine. The time has come. China's success is global success. It's ironic that it's only western countries that have problem with everyone. And their arrogance will be their downfall.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 2:10am On May 22, 2023
pansophist:
It's not a coincidence that the so called G7 are all former colonial countries, native slaughterers, imperialistic pigs who are desperate to uphold their so called "international rule base order".

And I keep asking, what does that shit mean? You hear it from Biden, Blinken, Sunak, Sullivan, but none are courageous enough to explain what this rule base order means.

Anyways it's Common sense. The order is what they created after the second world war, to keep themselves on top and the rest of the world impoverished. From bretton woods to ICC, IMF to democracy, it's one giant ecosystem that is designed to keep others poor and weak permanently.

They couldn't believe their eyes that China who suffer a hundred years of humiliation can recover and surpassed them all combined. Within the coming years, Chinese economy will grow bigger than the whole G7 combined.


The funny thing is they are predicting China's downfall on low birth rates, whereas China has huge population reserves in rural areas. Remove immigration which comes with social issues, the West's population would have dwindled far rapidly. Add gender wars, trans-mumbo jumbo and all the social engineering nonsense in the West, and birth rates are projected to plummet more than expected. China can literally force inhabitants to have children, good luck to Italy doing the same.

Another new kid on the block is India and thankfully, she knows history too well.

It's divine. The time has come. China's success is global success. It's ironic that it's only western countries that have problem with everyone. And their arrogance will be their downfall.

As in eh, the arrogance and stoopidty. Imagine Sunak saying China's rise is the greatest threat to global peace and prosperity as if China invaded any country in Africa or South America, or even Asia. In fact, China has been invaded rather than being an invader. These people just parrot annoying nonsense. There are way more people in Africa, the Middle East and Asia whose lives have been made prosperous through China's rise than any other thing else.

I really wish the Chinese greater strength to hold on. She should not and must not waver.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 9:17am On May 22, 2023
Gerrard59:


The funny thing is they are predicting China's downfall on low birth rates, whereas China has huge population reserves in rural areas. Remove immigration which comes with social issues, the West's population would have dwindled far rapidly. Add gender wars, trans-mumbo jumbo and all the social engineering nonsense in the West, and birth rates are projected to plummet more than expected. China can literally force inhabitants to have children, good luck to Italy doing the same.

Another new kid on the block is India and thankfully, she knows history too well.



As in eh, the arrogance and stoopidty. Imagine Sunak saying China's rise is the greatest threat to global peace and prosperity as if China invaded any country in Africa or South America, or even Asia. In fact, China has been invaded rather than being an invader. These people just parrot annoying nonsense. There are way more people in Africa, the Middle East and Asia whose lives have been made prosperous through China's rise than any other thing else.

I really wish the Chinese greater strength to hold on. She should not and must not waver.

You'll think with all their philosophers, technological sophistication, thinkers, and progressivism, they'll have common sense, but no, their stupidity shines so bright that a kid can see it clearly.

China is a different kind of animal. It's a 5000 years old civilisation with proven record. It's so huge, so populated, so advanced, that I don't see how the American/west can defeat China, even in nuclear war.

I was researching about the Chinese nuclear doctrines few days ago and found something genius. In the event of a nuclear war, the Chinese nuclear retaliatory strike is designed to kill off all humans and not pollute/destroy the land.

I can see that the Chinese deployed this strategy to take over North America as the prize of such war. And why not? That's a very brilliant strategy. It was exactly what Mao threatened Stalin with.

He told Stalin during the sino-soviet border dispute that if the Soviets destroy their land, via nuclear war, then the Chinese will move into soviet Union. And that the Chinese are way more populated, so the Soviet will be a minority in their own land.

This threat sent a cold shiver down the spine of the soveit leadership, and the Soviets started de escalating the situations. I can see that the Chinese progressed on that doctrine, and will make North America (or any place such strike originate from) it's prize if such war ever occur.

About China's demographic crisis, it's one hell of a hot fart, that should be ignored. Why do they care so much? Nigeria and Africa has the youngest population workforce, but look at us.

In the age of automation, technology, industrial robotics and machine learning, what matters is the quality of the population, not the quantity. What's the usefulness of one million almajiri compare to a hundred professors in advance tech field?

Democracy have lied to the world. All men are not equal. Anyways Mao predicted what is happening today decades ago. Check the screenshot below.

Although not reported in Western media, the Chinese border guard have been intercepting lots and lots of bio weapon been shipped into china, to destroy it from within. Covid was also one of it. But this will be a discussion for another day.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by 1stGenAmerican(f): 6:05pm On May 22, 2023
pansophist:
It's not a coincidence that the so called G7 are all former colonial countries, native slaughterers, imperialistic pigs who are desperate to uphold their so called "international rule base order".

And I keep asking, what does that shit mean? You hear it from Biden, Blinken, Sunak, Sullivan, but none are courageous enough to explain what this rule base order means.

Anyways it's Common sense. The order is what they created after the second world war, to keep themselves on top and the rest of the world impoverished. From bretton woods to ICC, IMF to democracy, it's one giant ecosystem that is designed to keep others poor and weak permanently.

They couldn't believe their eyes that China who suffer a hundred years of humiliation can recover and surpassed them all combined. Within the coming years, Chinese economy will grow bigger than the whole G7 combined.

It's divine. The time has come. China's success is global success. It's ironic that it's only western countries that have problem with everyone. And their arrogance will be their downfall.

The Chinese economy is dependent on the G7 countries and even the Chinese will admit that. The US alone accounts for $615 billion dollars—which country or combination of countries can make up for that fast enough to prevent China’s economy from failing?
Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 6:37pm On May 22, 2023
1stGenAmerican:


The Chinese economy is dependent on the G7 countries and even the Chinese will admit that. The US alone accounts for $615 billion dollars—which country or combination of countries can make up for that fast enough to prevent China’s economy from failing?

Interdependence is the right word. If decoupling will hurt China, then I bet your imperialistic rulers would have done that already. The G7 is not the world. If they stop trading with China, other countries will.

Trump have tried the trade war, tech war, sanctioning Chinese companies, and 24/7 media badmouthing, but Chinese economy is resilient and still grow.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by 1stGenAmerican(f): 10:43pm On May 22, 2023
pansophist:


Interdependence is the right word. If decoupling will hurt China, then I bet your imperialistic rulers would have done that already. The G7 is not the world. If they stop trading with China, other countries will.

Trump have tried the trade war, tech war, sanctioning Chinese companies, and 24/7 media badmouthing, but Chinese economy is resilient and still grow.

You guys really think you know what’s better for China than Chinese leaders and even the man in charge of the country. What you guys consider strategy, they would consider nonsense.
Other countries can’t make up for the amount of trade between China and G7 countries. The revenue isn’t there plus China isn’t interested in severing its ties with the West. When you guys were screaming last year about how China was about to arm Russian with every weapon available within days before joining in the fight, I told you that China cares about only China and wouldn’t let an alliance with any country, especially Russia, endanger their flow of money. That stood a year ago and still stands today so all the talks you guys have about what China will do is just that—cheap talk based on emotions, lack of knowledge, and miscalculations.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Adjovi: 10:52pm On May 22, 2023
War mongers. How's China a threat to you. China is doing their business, you too do your own business . You want to be the only one doing business which kine colonial mentality be this. Useless NATO

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Adjovi: 10:58pm On May 22, 2023
pansophist:


Interdependence is the right word. If decoupling will hurt China, then I bet your imperialistic rulers would have done that already. The G7 is not the world. If they stop trading with China, other countries will.

Trump have tried the trade war, tech war, sanctioning Chinese companies, and 24/7 media badmouthing, but Chinese economy is resilient and still grow.

This is what I keep telling people. They feel the world revolves around Europe alone. Their are 7 continents in the world and Europe is only a small fry of it. If they refuse to do business with China or Russia, the other 6 continents are there.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 11:16pm On May 22, 2023
1stGenAmerican:


You guys really think you know what’s better for China than Chinese leaders and even the man in charge of the country. What you guys consider strategy, they would consider nonsense.
Other countries can’t make up for the amount of trade between China and G7 countries. The revenue isn’t there plus China isn’t interested in severing its ties with the West. When you guys were screaming last year about how China was about to arm Russian with every weapon available within days before joining in the fight, I told you that China cares about only China and wouldn’t let an alliance with any country, especially Russia, endanger their flow of money. That stood a year ago and still stands today so all the talks you guys have about what China will do is just that—cheap talk based on emotions, lack of knowledge, and miscalculations.

Listen, if there is an economical decoupling between the West and china, it is the Western countries that will loose the most. I know it's a difficult pill for you to swallow, but the world does not center around the West.

Next time when you hear about decoupling, think of the tens of thousands of American companies making billions inside China. Kfc have over 9000 restaurant in China, MacDonald's over 4000, Starbucks over 6000, subway 490. These are just four popular restaurants.

Then let's go to cars, from BMW, to Tesla, GM, Mercedes. In fact western car makers are what they are today because they sold more cars in China than the rest of the world combined.

What about apple products? Boeing nko? Adidas and Nike kwanu? Or Ikea, carrefour, Hilton, Marriot, Walmart, pfizer, Coca-Cola, Johnson and Johnson, Procter and gamble, should I continue?

Fun fact. If the Chinese ban Tesla cars overnight just like the US ban TikTok, Elon Musk will become broke. The dragon has awaken. You'll have to deal with an strong China this time around.

If China is not an economic behemoth, your leaders would not be running around blackmailing countries not to work with the Chinese. It screams of weakness and it's what looser does.

And with US record of sanctioning and destroying the economies of countries they hate (eg Russia) , they would have done that to China already if the US will come out winning.

Are you smarter than all these business men that rushed to open and manufacture in China? The day you exit from your western brainwashing, you'll realise how much your empire have collapse.

If I keep listing all western companies operating in China, this forum will crash lol. It's too much.

If there is any decoupling, it's the West that will suffer not China. That's not to say China will not suffer, but the suffering will be China loosing a tooth, but the West will loose their head. Bear in mind that China is not suffering from inflation that is destroying the West.

Also that China doesn't have a bone crushing 32Trillion dollars debt, and even though China has x4 population of the US, doesn't have homeless people like the Americans. China is loved by world outside the minority west, and have a 100% complete industrial manufacturing system.

Besides, US-China trade is about 16 % of China's today export. So how will China loose? The reason why Amazon can sell you a T-shirt for 5usd plus free shipping is because of China. If China stop producing it, expect an increase in price.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 3:22am On May 23, 2023
pansophist:


You'll think with all their philosophers, technological sophistication, thinkers, and progressivism, they'll have common sense, but no, their stupidity shines so bright that a kid can see it clearly.

It is arrogance and jealousy. The same moves against China were made against the Japanese during the ' 70s and '80s. I read somewhere that the reason America allowed Samsung to thrive is to have a competitor that can withstand Chinese firms since Japanese firms feel off (reeling from the effects of the Plaza Accords America imposed on her). If Samsung were a Chinese firm, the US would have spewed spurious claims as she did against Huwaei (who has recovered from the antics so far).

Watch how they will begin to attack Chinese electric carmakers as they produce and export more electric vehicles to Western markets. It would be funny because the same people parrot climate change. Although, the presence of Telsa in China and Warren Buffet owning shares in BYD might make things different. China, unlike Russia, is a different country with so much economic strength and partnership. That is where the Russians failed - economics.

China is a different kind of animal. It's a 5000 years old civilisation with proven record. It's so huge, so populated, so advanced, that I don't see how the American/west can defeat China, even in nuclear war.

The way I see it, the Chinese would rather die than succumb to the West. Britain wey choke and nearly destroyed them with drugs during the Opium crises?

China don suffer sha.

I was researching about the Chinese nuclear doctrines few days ago and found something genius. In the event of a nuclear war, the Chinese nuclear retaliatory strike is designed to kill off all humans and not pollute/destroy the land.

I can see that the Chinese deployed this strategy to take over North America as the prize of such war. And why not? That's a very brilliant strategy. It was exactly what Mao threatened Stalin with.

He told Stalin during the sino-soviet border dispute that if the Soviets destroy their land, via nuclear war, then the Chinese will move into soviet Union. And that the Chinese are way more populated, so the Soviet will be a minority in their own land.

That would be the fate of South Korea and Japan should they join the US in fighting China. I strongly doubt the US will even send soldiers to fight the Chinese. Na Taiwanese I pity. They will be pawns like the Ukrainians. For the bold, remember when I said, they would finish the men and marry off the women? Chinese men need women to fvck and marry. Who else is genetically the closest, if not South Korea and Japan?

About China's demographic crisis, it's one hell of a hot fart, that should be ignored. Why do they care so much? Nigeria and Africa has the youngest population workforce, but look at us.

In the age of automation, technology, industrial robotics and machine learning, what matters is the quality of the population, not the quantity. What's the usefulness of one million almajiri compare to a hundred professors in advance tech field?

To be fair, demographics help, especially regarding pensions and having a large consumer market. That is where Europe is failing at. Countries like Greece, Italy and a large part of Northern Europe would experience severe demographic challenges in the future. It is the reason Germany changed her immigration and citizenship rules. Spain is also a victim, but she gets a flow of migrants from South America. The social issues coupled with European nativism will see them in a worse situation than China.

The incoming automation, artificial intelligence and robotics will do us in Africa more harm than good, as we have not even started solving poverty. However, robots don't contribute to the pension system. That is where the issue about demographics comes from.

Although not reported in Western media, [b]the Chinese border guard have been intercepting lots and lots of bio weapon been shipped into china, to destroy it from within. Covid was also one of it. But this will be a discussion for another day.[/b]

I suspected something was amiss when China closed its borders for months, even when other major economies opened up. She knows something that we don't know.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 3:35am On May 23, 2023
pansophist:


Listen, if there is an economical decoupling between the West and china, it is the Western countries that will loose the most. I know it's a difficult pill for you to swallow, but the world does not center around the West.

Next time when you hear about decoupling, think of the tens of thousands of American companies making billions inside China. Kfc have over 9000 restaurant in China, MacDonald's over 4000, Starbucks over 6000, subway 490. These are just four popular restaurants.

Then let's go to cars, from BMW, to Tesla, GM, Mercedes. In fact western car makers are what they are today because they sold more cars in China than the rest of the world combined.

Lastly, China can survive being a closed nation. She has done it before. The alternatives to the Chinese market are India and Africa. India is just picking up. For Europe especially, decoupling from China will lead to greater economic upheaval than if the US does. German carmakers literally depend on the Chinese market. They say German carmakers should decouple, I ask, where would MB and BMW sell their expensive cars to? Africa? Where would Hermes, LVMH and co sell expensive watches and bags to? Now, they are gradually moving some factories to South East Asia, but most of the manufacturers are Chinese-owned firms who report to the CCP at the end of the day.

China is here to stay. If very few countries outside Western influence can cut-off Russia one year after, I don't see any doing so with China. China is literally the second or biggest trading partner with almost every country in Asia. She is so important. This is not the '80s

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Bossly: 6:21pm On May 23, 2023
1stGenAmerican:



Other countries can’t make up for the amount of trade between China and G7 countries.

👆🏿Typical western FAKE NEWS!

Minority G7 (US & its 6 main vassals) stand no chance against the Global South today. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

It is GAME OVER!👇🏿

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1660560992231903234?t=nBEQL-KJe_dpQKxj9zu6sg&s=19

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 1:15am On May 24, 2023
Gerrard59:


Lastly, China can survive being a closed nation. She has done it before. The alternatives to the Chinese market are India and Africa. India is just picking up. For Europe especially, decoupling from China will lead to greater economic upheaval than if the US does. German carmakers literally depend on the Chinese market. They say German carmakers should decouple, I ask, where would MB and BMW sell their expensive cars to? Africa? Where would Hermes, LVMH and co sell expensive watches and bags to? Now, they are gradually moving some factories to South East Asia, but most of the manufacturers are Chinese-owned firms who report to the CCP at the end of the day.

China is here to stay. If very few countries outside Western influence can cut off Russia one year after, I don't see any doing so with China. China is literally the second or biggest trading partner with almost every country in Asia. She is so important. This is not the '80s

This is the first time in a very long time, perhaps in 500 hundred years, that the West will have to not only share power for the time being, but deal with an increasingly stronger global south, and if we know anything about strength, it is that you have to be strong to get justice. Justice never applies to weak countries.

The West actually never stopped colonialism, they just pushed the goalpost further, fooling the world that we are all equal. What they did to China, they are shit scared that China will revenge and get justice, now that it's strong.

I am very happy for China, for what they have achieved without war. To single-handedly lift over 800M people out of poverty in just four decades, that a marvel. Why is the world not celebrating this feat?

Just 60 years ago, you could see images of babies being swept and trashed like dead rats in thenl street of Shanghai like it's nothing, due to starvation and poverty that worsened due to the Western blockade. About 30 Million Chinese died.

Or what Japanese did to them. Just google "unit 731", and see the horror the Chinese faced. Imagine cutting open a pregnant woman and pulling out the baby, just to see what will happen. And this is nothing compare to other human experiment that the Chinese people suffered.

That country really suffered. This is why I am proud of them.

I only hoped that the world can learn from China, especially Africa, and see that liberal democracy is not the only way to develop an economy, and is actually not a way to develop an economy. You need strong leaders that plan the century ahead, and place the bricks one by one.

Democracy is like changing the CEO of a company every year, and your workers are so dumb but let us deceive ourselves that we are equal and give them equal decision-making. That an almajiri can be a president because other millions of dumb almajiris can vote their brothers in. Thats democracy. A big joke.

How the world fell for that scam, I don't understand. My only guess would be that the world was weak, and had to live by imposed rules of the strong. Now that there is a strong, competent challenger called China, others can come out and assert themselves. We are living in an interesting time. Indeed.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Tiopii: 3:10pm On May 24, 2023
1stGenAmerican:


The Chinese economy is dependent on the G7 countries and even the Chinese will admit that. The US alone accounts for $615 billion dollars—which country or combination of countries can make up for that fast enough to prevent China’s economy from failing?


Leave them here, they don't understand most developed nations are interdependent on each other and their own interest determine their foreign policy.

China is an exporter and it's biggest market is Europe and US. China needs the West/US more than the US/West needs them. same China is actively following the sanctions the EU placed on Russia.

Even the Biden signed a bill to move all the US owned production companies back to the US. most here don't understand global politics, they don't understand the importance of allies.

They were shouting Brics one time, even the China transact with the US in dollars, their debts would be repaid in dollars. Very shallow mind and background in history

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 8:29am On May 26, 2023
Tiopii:



Leave them here, they don't understand most developed nations are interdependent on each other and their own interest determine their foreign policy.

China is an exporter and it's biggest market is Europe and US. China needs the West/US more than the US/West needs them. same China is actively following the sanctions the EU placed on Russia.

They need each other. The problem is that the US aka whites, are angry that China is not bowing to their whims the way Japan bowed. Japan was in the same position China is currently in. America demonised the Japanese because Japanese firms were out-selling the Chinese. Why is it now they know China is not democratic? When they align with Saudi Arabia but lampoon Iran for not being democratic, is that not hypocrisy?

German manufacturers rely on China for growth, ditto Japanese firms. The nonsense being applied to Russia cannot be applied to China. They know it too well.

Mercedes-Benz CEO saying China cannot be replaced: https://www.ft.com/content/ddf0b2fc-635f-425e-8735-36abf6fdc796
Nvidia CEO saying banning Chinese chipmakers will do more harm than good to the US: https://www.ft.com/content/ffbb39a8-2eb5-4239-a70e-2e73b9d15f3e
Siemens CEO saying he would defend his market share in China: https://www.ft.com/content/e985f675-88e5-4bd5-9a44-7228a7525b39

The places that can replace China for the West are India (which is not bowing to every whim), Indonesia (which depends on China and loves China. The West has a phobia/dislike for Muslims; Indonesia has indigenous Chinese; Indonesians are not fond of the West) and Africa.

The Africa aspect is where my interests lie. Why did the West not align with African countries the way she did with Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam etc? Now, they are opening factories in South East Asia, where smart Chinese manufacturers are opening factories as well. Germany is trying to rely on markets in SEA, but all are avoiding Africa, which China embraced. We know why. If not, is Vietnam closer to Germany than Senegal? If you work with Nigeria the same way as you did with China, is that not a big market for you? So if MB stops selling cars in China, where else would they sell to? Nigeria? Kenya? No country can replace China.

I asked this question, and here is a response by a commenter: did you see him mention Africa as a source of replacement? Africans should be happy with China's rise. Chinese manufacturers, not German, Dutch or American, are building factories (what Africans need) across Africa. American firms are leaving Africa in droves, but Chinese are flowing in building factories. I was following a thread on Twitter where an Igbo lad was lamenting why Igbo businessmen are not building factories for the goods they sell via importation in Nigeria. Meanwhile, the Chinese are doing just that. They build factories which offer training for hard skills. You might say the salaries are low. But that was how it was for the Chinese during the 1990s—better 50K with training than being told to do HIV NGO blah blah blah.

Chinese are building rail tracks across Africa without demanding you should fvck another man's anus. China, not Germany, is constructing a hydroelectric dam in Angola. China is investing in factories in Zambia, not Belgium. Africans should be neutral in these people's fight but earnestly hope that China comes out victorious. It was not the Chinese that enslaved Africans or butchered Namibians or slaughtered and plundered the DRC.

Even the Biden signed a bill to move all the US owned production companies back to the US. most here don't understand global politics, they don't understand the importance of allies.

To sell to who? Many Japanese companies depend so much on the Chinese market, ditto South Korea and Taiwan. The share of G7 GDP contribution to the world has declined rapidly. Countries outside the G7 have a bigger GDP and larger population. In fact, Australia trades more with China than with a G7 nation (see screenshot and link: https://www.ft.com/content/c8cf024d-87b7-4e18-8fa2-1b8a3f3fbba1#comments-anchor). Thirty years ago, the US was Japan's biggest trade partner. Today it is China. The same applies to almost every country across Asia. China has made people's lives prosperous without asking their children to change their genders, or your women should fight you in the name of feminism without considering your cultural traits. Without China, many Africans would not have been able to use smartphones. I recalled in 2012, people on Nairaland were boasting about being on Instagram because it was only accessible to iPhone users, and the Android phones in vogue were too expensive. Then came Techno, Itel and others, thus, enabling Nigerians and other Africans to have the Internet on their palms.

They were shouting Brics one time, even the China transact with the US in dollars, their debts would be repaid in dollars. Very shallow mind and background in history

I don't believe the dollar can be replaced. Certainly not anytime soon, but if you continue to bully others via wars, sanctions and seizure of their assets like it is done to Russia, you are telling others that it is risky to depend on you. Because any small disagreement, you will use the weapon against them. They will begin to find alternatives. Some countries, for ease of trade, will prefer to trade between themselves in their currencies to prevent Oga at the Top from bullying them.

China is here to stay, and I, as a black African, am happy for her. She is going nowhere.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 8:32am On May 26, 2023
pansophist:


This is the first time in a very long time, perhaps in 500 hundred years, that the West will have to not only share power for the time being, but deal with an increasingly stronger global south, and if we know anything about strength, it is that you have to be strong to get justice. Justice never applies to weak countries.

How the world fell for that scam, I don't understand. My only guess would be that the world was weak, and had to live by imposed rules of the strong. Now that there is a strong, competent challenger called China, others can come out and assert themselves. We are living in an interesting time. Indeed.

Anti-spam bot banned me, the reason I did not reply. But here are screenshots by these people. They are not just happy their influence is dwindling. Look at the hypocrisy.

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Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by Gerrard59(m): 8:45am On May 26, 2023
pansophist:


This is the first time in a very long time, perhaps in 500 hundred years, that the West will have to not only share power for the time being, but deal with an increasingly stronger global south, and if we know anything about strength, it is that you have to be strong to get justice. Justice never applies to weak countries.

Now that there is a strong, competent challenger called China, others can come out and assert themselves. We are living in an interesting time. Indeed.

Re: Hostages No More: G7 Takes Stand Against China by pansophist(m): 1:48pm On May 26, 2023
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I know those reddit mofos. Well not just Reddit mofos but Westerners generally are so drunk in their supremacy that they genuinely believe that the world have to be shaped in their own image.

But I am not worried. Time always cleanse off the speck in the eyes of those who willingly choose to bury their head in the sand. Time is undefeatable. Are you egoistic? time will deal with you. Do you think the young are stupid and will not catch up? time will prove you wrong.

Today's G7 is nothing more than a congregation of declining imperialists. The BRICS now contribute more to world economic growth than G7.

Bloomberg reports that BRICS will contribute over 32% to world economic growth this year and the BRICS contribution will reach 33.6% in 2028. the G7 countries (UK, Germany, Italy, Canada, France, Japan, and the US) will guarantee 29.9% growth in 2023, falling to 27.8% in 2028.

Thirty years ago, G7 was the largest economy, but now, they are not, and it will be worse in the future. So let the Reddit idiot keep arguing, but one thing is certain, you cant swim against the tide. The West is a global minority, making up less than 17% of humanity.

It takes a pitiable level of arrogance to think that only your opinion, morals, and how you see the world should matter. In fact, if you add all the 27 EU country's populations, then add the US, Japan, Australia, Newzealand, and Korea, China is more populated than all combined.

And China will grow economically more than them all combined in 2050 max. So China is a kind of animal the world has never seen before. It's the only country the West genuinely fears. It is just too big and too powerful. If you are for the good of our world, you will love China, if not, you will hate it. But it doesn't matter. China is here to stay.

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