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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by gloryman91: 5:58pm On May 25, 2023
State the section in the 1999 Constitution now.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Bobloco: 5:58pm On May 25, 2023
sad
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by TUANKU(m): 5:58pm On May 25, 2023
NaijaCowFarm:
We do not need ministers of state, that is duplication of roles and unnecessarily increasing cost of governance.
The post clearly states that there are defined roles for both ministers as is the case of ministry of education where the senior minister takes charge of tertiary institutions while the minister of state is in charge of secondary and primary education. There's no duplication of roles, Keyamo is just being typically selfish. He should have made the call when he became a minister of state 4 years ago not now when he's already out.

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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by masseratti: 5:59pm On May 25, 2023
You can't call what Obj did has a norm or tradition, what keyamo said is totally correct... Nothing like minister of state in the constitution.. Nothing like junior minister... I think they av to look for a way to fix that.. Plus the military writers of the constitution really messed things up big time with that 1999 constitution.

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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Kukutenla: 6:00pm On May 25, 2023
Moh247:
cool


Under the law nothing like Chief of Staff, Minister of State, Special Adviser, State Chief Security Officer , INEC IREV website and Database

However the law gives the Executive absolute power of delegation, Governors , President, head of ministry can delegate responsibility and appoint

Another intresting about Nigerian Constitution.

By 12am May 29 Buhari stops been President, the sit of power is empty until 12pm when Tinubu is sworn in by the CJN



.
This dude still regurgitated this crap
Shameful
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Moh247: 6:01pm On May 25, 2023
Kukutenla:

This dude still regurgitated this crap
Shameful

Are you stalking a dude all around Nairaland?!
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Kukutenla: 6:04pm On May 25, 2023
Moh247:


Are you stalking a dude all around Nairaland?!

Stalk?
Just contributing my quota to curing you of intellectual vacuity
You should be grateful
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by InvertedHammer: 6:11pm On May 25, 2023
TonyeBarcanista:
By Tonye Barcanista

I read a piece credited to Mr Festus Keyamo SAN over his call to abolish the "Minister of State" portfolio.

To start with, I want to believe that Festus Keyamo position was borne out of the experience he faced as being seen as a subordinate to a fellow Minister - just like every other ministers of state. If so be the case, I empathize with him but I don't think his call was done in good faith. If he was sincere, he had a whole 8 years to call the attention of President Muhammadu Buhari but didn't do so because of reasons best known to him.

Now to the main issue, it is my humble opinion that Festus Keyamo erred for labeling the position of "Minister of State" a constitutional aberration. He perhaps did not realise that the Minister and the Minister of State are equal Ministers but with different responsibilities assigned to each of them by the President - who is the appointer.

The Constitution in Sections 147 and 148 (as amended) that deals with the appointment of ministers only mandated the President to at least appoint a minister from each state, it never inferred that the responsibilities of each ministers shall be of equal status.

When President Olusegun Obasanjo assumed office and assigned some ministers to 'ministers of state', he clearly defined the responsibilities of both the 'Senior' ministers and the Junior ministers. For instance, while the Minister of Education was assigned to Tertiary Education, the minister of state for education was responsible for primary/secondary education - this tradition was followed by his successors.

Mr Hadi Sirika, during the first term of President Buhari was a junior minister in the ministry of transportation, however, the President clearly assigned Aviation responsibilities to him. He only became a senior minister at the formation of Buhari’s new cabinet in 2019.

Therefore, when a minister of state feels that he is made redundant in the ministry (like in the case of Keyamo), the blame should be the president that didn't clearly define his responsibilities in the ministry and not the practice itself.

The call for a 36/42 ministries to accommodate each ministers will only amount to waste of scarce resources - as each ministry will need office building, permanent secretary, directors etc. Whereas in the case of Minister/minister of state, one building and permanent secretary will serve the needs of the two ministers.

Conclusively, whether one is named a minister or minister of state, the provisions of Sections 147 & 148 of the CFRN (as amended) are not breached as both portfolio are equal members at the Federal Executive Council with the occupants representing their respective States but with different posting/portfolio.

Tonye Barcanista writes from Abuja


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For a poor country like Nigeria, redundancy creates waste of scarce resources.



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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by olaniyilukman(m): 6:13pm On May 25, 2023
Moh247:
cool


Under the law nothing like Chief of Staff, Minister of State, Special Adviser, State Chief Security Officer , INEC IREV website and Database

However the law gives the Executive absolute power of delegation, Governors , President, head of ministry can delegate responsibility and appoint

Another intresting about Nigerian Constitution.

By 12am May 29 Buhari stops been President, the sit of power is empty until 12pm when Tinubu is sworn in by the CJN



.
By May 29th pending the final swearing of new administration, President Buhari is still the president
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by chatinent: 6:17pm On May 25, 2023
Would he refund his payments and allowances for eight years?
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Mrfixiit: 6:33pm On May 25, 2023
Mufasa27:

On data, off brain
You don join Zombie work ? Sapa no good I swear
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Bimpe29: 6:39pm On May 25, 2023
Keyamo completely erred and subjective in his submission.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by jamesversion: 6:41pm On May 25, 2023
TonyeBarcanista:
By Tonye Barcanista

I read a piece credited to Mr Festus Keyamo SAN over his call to abolish the "Minister of State" portfolio.

To start with, I want to believe that Festus Keyamo position was borne out of the experience he faced as being seen as a subordinate to a fellow Minister - just like every other ministers of state. If so be the case, I empathize with him but I don't think his call was done in good faith. If he was sincere, he had a whole 8 years to call the attention of President Muhammadu Buhari but didn't do so because of reasons best known to him.

Now to the main issue, it is my humble opinion that Festus Keyamo erred for labeling the position of "Minister of State" a constitutional aberration. He perhaps did not realise that the Minister and the Minister of State are equal Ministers but with different responsibilities assigned to each of them by the President - who is the appointer.

The Constitution in Sections 147 and 148 (as amended) that deals with the appointment of ministers only mandated the President to at least appoint a minister from each state, it never inferred that the responsibilities of each ministers shall be of equal status.

When President Olusegun Obasanjo assumed office and assigned some ministers to 'ministers of state', he clearly defined the responsibilities of both the 'Senior' ministers and the Junior ministers. For instance, while the Minister of Education was assigned to Tertiary Education, the minister of state for education was responsible for primary/secondary education - this tradition was followed by his successors.

Mr Hadi Sirika, during the first term of President Buhari was a junior minister in the ministry of transportation, however, the President clearly assigned Aviation responsibilities to him. He only became a senior minister at the formation of Buhari’s new cabinet in 2019.

Therefore, when a minister of state feels that he is made redundant in the ministry (like in the case of Keyamo), the blame should be the president that didn't clearly define his responsibilities in the ministry and not the practice itself.

The call for a 36/42 ministries to accommodate each ministers will only amount to waste of scarce resources - as each ministry will need office building, permanent secretary, directors etc. Whereas in the case of Minister/minister of state, one building and permanent secretary will serve the needs of the two ministers.

Conclusively, whether one is named a minister or minister of state, the provisions of Sections 147 & 148 of the CFRN (as amended) are not breached as both portfolio are equal members at the Federal Executive Council with the occupants representing their respective States but with different posting/portfolio.

Tonye Barcanista writes from Abuja



Are you a lawyer?? undecided
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by wunmi590(m): 6:53pm On May 25, 2023


Thank you for the detailed explanation Mr. Tony, you are really intelligent 👍

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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Tareq1105: 7:00pm On May 25, 2023
TonyeBarcanista:
By Tonye Barcanista

I read a piece credited to Mr Festus Keyamo SAN over his call to abolish the "Minister of State" portfolio.

To start with, I want to believe that Festus Keyamo position was borne out of the experience he faced as being seen as a subordinate to a fellow Minister - just like every other ministers of state. If so be the case, I empathize with him but I don't think his call was done in good faith. If he was sincere, he had a whole 8 years to call the attention of President Muhammadu Buhari but didn't do so because of reasons best known to him.

Now to the main issue, it is my humble opinion that Festus Keyamo erred for labeling the position of "Minister of State" a constitutional aberration. He perhaps did not realise that the Minister and the Minister of State are equal Ministers but with different responsibilities assigned to each of them by the President - who is the appointer.

The Constitution in Sections 147 and 148 (as amended) that deals with the appointment of ministers only mandated the President to at least appoint a minister from each state, it never inferred that the responsibilities of each ministers shall be of equal status.

When President Olusegun Obasanjo assumed office and assigned some ministers to 'ministers of state', he clearly defined the responsibilities of both the 'Senior' ministers and the Junior ministers. For instance, while the Minister of Education was assigned to Tertiary Education, the minister of state for education was responsible for primary/secondary education - this tradition was followed by his successors.

Mr Hadi Sirika, during the first term of President Buhari was a junior minister in the ministry of transportation, however, the President clearly assigned Aviation responsibilities to him. He only became a senior minister at the formation of Buhari’s new cabinet in 2019.

Therefore, when a minister of state feels that he is made redundant in the ministry (like in the case of Keyamo), the blame should be the president that didn't clearly define his responsibilities in the ministry and not the practice itself.

The call for a 36/42 ministries to accommodate each ministers will only amount to waste of scarce resources - as each ministry will need office building, permanent secretary, directors etc. Whereas in the case of Minister/minister of state, one building and permanent secretary will serve the needs of the two ministers.

Conclusively, whether one is named a minister or minister of state, the provisions of Sections 147 & 148 of the CFRN (as amended) are not breached as both portfolio are equal members at the Federal Executive Council with the occupants representing their respective States but with different posting/portfolio.

Tonye Barcanista writes from Abuja



Tonye, you would not understand what keyamo was saying.

Tonye, it seems you're not aware that the salary of Minister (senior) is higher than that of the Minister of State.

Tonye doesn't seem to understand that the Allowances of the Minister (senior) is higher than that of the Minister of State.

Minister of State cannot present a Memo at the Federal Executive Council without the consent of the Minister (senior).

These and many more are unfair to a Minister of State and the state he represent.

Keyamo is right.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Weathered: 7:01pm On May 25, 2023
TonyeBarcanista:
By Tonye Barcanista

I read a piece credited to Mr Festus Keyamo SAN over his call to abolish the "Minister of State" portfolio.

To start with, I want to believe that Festus Keyamo position was borne out of the experience he faced as being seen as a subordinate to a fellow Minister - just like every other ministers of state. If so be the case, I empathize with him but I don't think his call was done in good faith. If he was sincere, he had a whole 8 years to call the attention of President Muhammadu Buhari but didn't do so because of reasons best known to him.

Now to the main issue, it is my humble opinion that Festus Keyamo erred for labeling the position of "Minister of State" a constitutional aberration. He perhaps did not realise that the Minister and the Minister of State are equal Ministers but with different responsibilities assigned to each of them by the President - who is the appointer.

The Constitution in Sections 147 and 148 (as amended) that deals with the appointment of ministers only mandated the President to at least appoint a minister from each state, it never inferred that the responsibilities of each ministers shall be of equal status.

When President Olusegun Obasanjo assumed office and assigned some ministers to 'ministers of state', he clearly defined the responsibilities of both the 'Senior' ministers and the Junior ministers. For instance, while the Minister of Education was assigned to Tertiary Education, the minister of state for education was responsible for primary/secondary education - this tradition was followed by his successors.

Mr Hadi Sirika, during the first term of President Buhari was a junior minister in the ministry of transportation, however, the President clearly assigned Aviation responsibilities to him. He only became a senior minister at the formation of Buhari’s new cabinet in 2019.

Therefore, when a minister of state feels that he is made redundant in the ministry (like in the case of Keyamo), the blame should be the president that didn't clearly define his responsibilities in the ministry and not the practice itself.

The call for a 36/42 ministries to accommodate each ministers will only amount to waste of scarce resources - as each ministry will need office building, permanent secretary, directors etc. Whereas in the case of Minister/minister of state, one building and permanent secretary will serve the needs of the two ministers.

Conclusively, whether one is named a minister or minister of state, the provisions of Sections 147 & 148 of the CFRN (as amended) are not breached as both portfolio are equal members at the Federal Executive Council with the occupants representing their respective States but with different posting/portfolio.

Tonye Barcanista writes from Abuja


tonyebarcanista is a barely literate wannabe.

And a cheap hireling of APC
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Bfly: 7:02pm On May 25, 2023
Minister of state is still not necessary. If any minister of the federation not capable, let him go home.

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Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:09pm On May 25, 2023
Tareq1105:


Tonye, you would not understand what keyamo was saying.

Tonye, it seems you're not aware that the salary of Minister (senior) is higher than that of the Minister of State.

Tonye doesn't seem to understand that the Allowances of the Minister (senior) is higher than that of the Minister of State.

Minister of State cannot present a Memo at the Federal Executive Council without the consent of the Minister (senior).

These and many more are unfair to a Minister of State and the state he represent.

Keyamo is right.
As Minister of State, Hadi Sirika presented memo at FEC (2015-2019) without the consent of Rotimi Amaechi, the minister of transportation. The reason is simple, the President, who is the appointer, clearly defined their roles.

Contrary to some beliefs, the minister of state is not a deputy to the minister and doesn't answer to him/her. They all answer to the President! However, in situations where roles of minister of state isn't defined, the President clearly should be blamed - perhaps, he feels that appointing that particular minister of state is simply a ritual to fulfill all constitutional righteousness.

As for remuneration, it comes with roles... Just as a principal officer in a legislative house earn more than just a member, but doesn't mean the principal officer is bigger than the ordinary member.... They are equal but performing unequal responsibilities.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Raysleek: 7:14pm On May 25, 2023
Keyamo na now you dey talk after you don chop salaries, incentives and allowances for 8 years
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Dejijossy(m): 7:34pm On May 25, 2023
You are wrong bro, Buhari seized to be president when he hands over to Tinubu. If Buhari refused to handover, he still remain the president until he's been arrested.

Moh247:
cool



By 12am May 29 Buhari stops been President, the sit of power is empty until 12pm when Tinubu is sworn in by the CJN



.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Moh247: 7:36pm On May 25, 2023
Dejijossy:
You are wrong bro, Buhari seized to be president when he hands over to Tinubu. If Buhari refused to handover, he still remain the president until he's been arrested.


You are also right but the constitution is clear... If he doesn't hand over the CJN would proceed with the swearing in as if he died like Yaradua
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by phorget(m): 8:12pm On May 25, 2023
Keyamo is suffering from a certain ”TIAMIYU SYNDROME”. For 8years Keyamo benefited from the same office but would rather call for it abolishment knowing fully well that his own time is up.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Minjim: 8:51pm On May 25, 2023
Tinubu will be sworn in before noon on 29th, so what's your point?
Moh247:
cool


Under the law nothing like Chief of Staff, Minister of State, Special Adviser, State Chief Security Officer , INEC IREV website and Database

However the law gives the Executive absolute power of delegation, Governors , President, head of ministry can delegate responsibility and appoint

Another intresting about Nigerian Constitution.

By 12am May 29 Buhari stops been President, the sit of power is empty until 12pm when Tinubu is sworn in by the CJN



.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by onuman: 9:11pm On May 25, 2023
Where did the constitution mention that minister of state shall be appointed by president?
They are appointing to eat out the proceeds from mineral resources in your background while you clap for them as your people are relocating from your region because of environmental degradation from oil exploration. You chase shadows.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by onuman: 9:23pm On May 25, 2023
Moh247:
cool


Under the law nothing like Chief of Staff, Minister of State, Special Adviser, State Chief Security Officer , INEC IREV website and Database

However the law gives the Executive absolute power of delegation, Governors , President, head of ministry can delegate responsibility and appoint

Another intresting about Nigerian Constitution.

By 12am May 29 Buhari stops been President, the sit of power is empty until 12pm when Tinubu is sworn in by the CJN



.

Your president signed Electoral Act that stipulated that elections results henceforth should be electronically transmitted from the BVAS to INEC portal.

Your INEC Chairman vowed before the public that no other method outside electronic transmission of vote results from BVAS to INEC portal would be used for conduct of the general election.

You and other voters believed them and queued and voted.

After voting; the INEC Chairman told you he could not use electronic transmission of vote results from the BVAS to INEC portal only for the presidential election. He used another method to collate votes results and doctored the results to pronounce a candidate that appointed him to office as winner of the presidential election.

You clap and cite the constitution for backing the roguish INEC Chairman.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Okpetruth(m): 1:55am On May 26, 2023
Feintline:
The constitutional aberration we have before us right now will be to swear in Nigeria's first unconstitutional president. That will be disastrous to Nigeria.
Ogogoro have killed your brain. You need school o.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Okpetruth(m): 1:59am On May 26, 2023
DMerciful:
First a mad man was causing nuisance in a plane shouting Obidient. APC propaganda.

Second, they created phamtom forgery charge against Abure....to no avail.

Third, they hacked Obi's call and doctored it about a religious war....imagine a private conversation.

Fourth..they went to Washington DC to accuse Obi of treason

Fifth, they brought Lamidi Apapa from nowhere to cause confusion ..it failed.

Sixth, they brought a kangaroo judgment from Kano sacking all LP elected officials in Kano and Abia...it failed woefully.

Seven they brought Calistus Okafor since Apapa has failed.

Calistus is not gaining traction so they wanna bring Tinubu funding.

These people know that Obi is coming!
They. Who are the they? Stop taking drugs. It will ruin your life.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by solreb: 1:59am On May 26, 2023
DMerciful:
We're countering APC propaganda anywhere there's likely to be huge presence. Nor vex!

Regarding Keyamo, he is dishonest to enjoy the office then after the fact say its unconstitutional
How will your post about propaganda help the cause of OBI to recover his "mandate"
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by Okpetruth(m): 2:01am On May 26, 2023
TonyeBarcanista:


At this point, any conversation on the 2023 general election except update from the ongoing courts and Tribunal cases will amount to flogging a dead horse.

God bless you. Forward ever.
Re: Minister Of State Not A Constitutional Aberration, A Response To Keyamo by solreb: 2:03am On May 26, 2023
onuman:


Your president signed Electoral Act that stipulated that elections results henceforth should be electronically transmitted from the BVAS to INEC portal.

Your INEC Chairman vowed before the public that no other method outside electronic transmission of vote results from BVAS to INEC portal would be used for conduct of the general election.

You and other voters believed them and queued and voted.

After voting; the INEC Chairman told you he could not use electronic transmission of vote results from the BVAS to INEC portal only for the presidential election. He used another method to collate votes results and doctored the results to pronounce a candidate that appointed him to office as winner of the presidential election.

You clap and cite the constitution for backing the roguish INEC Chairman.
You are living in the past going by this post The matter is now in court where all these your claims can be used by Obi and LP.

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