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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Moniya4Real(m): 12:46pm On Jun 17, 2023
Answer first now… cos I have come to realize that people tend to be unreasonably biased in their approach to political issues, but don’t know if you are one of them?


texazzpete:


Hope you yourself are taking the same stance now as you took then
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by izubext007: 12:46pm On Jun 17, 2023
Only Tinubu can solve their quarrel grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by peculiar2233: 12:47pm On Jun 17, 2023
ecolime:

Count me out of the Russia supporters you know. Not a fan of Putin or the invasion.

That aside, isn't it time for Zelensky and his backers get Putin to a roundtable and resolve this mess?

Well, let them keep blowing themselves to pieces.
If you are really following the thread, you will understand that, it's Putin that doesn't want peace due to his stupid demands. How would he say a sovereign state should handover part of their country to Russia because of his selfish interest. Anyway he's collecting back to back. Thanks to HIMARS
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by TenQ: 12:48pm On Jun 17, 2023
decatalyst:
Ukraine will be reduced to nothing with this Zaleski in charge.

I was standing with him for some reasons, but at this point, preservation of lives and what is left of National heritage.

It's becoming embarrassing how he became deviant and 100% relying on the west for weapons, food, and strategy to navigate this senseless war.
What do you suggest that Zelensky do!?
As we all know, whatever he does will not return Cremia, Donbas, Oddessa or the sea ports to Ukraine. Ukraine will become landlocked and economically crippled!

Thanks
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Blackdisciple(m): 12:48pm On Jun 17, 2023
Have they finished solving Africa problems
What a waste of time but I think it's also good so that Putin will tell them to stop turning Africa to grave yard which a politician will loot in Africa then gogo foreign lands to invest
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by NigerianAngelo(m): 12:49pm On Jun 17, 2023
decatalyst:
Ukraine will be reduced to nothing with this Zaleski in charge.

I was standing with him for some reasons, but at this point, preservation of lives and what is left of National heritage.

It's becoming embarrassing how he became deviant and 100% relying on the west for weapons, food, and strategy to navigate this senseless war.

He is a Jew.

He does not care about Christian lives.



In fact he's aim is to see them killed. -- The people Hitler was talking about. "Synagogue of satan."



They r convertible but it's hard. And they should be under 33 for a chance.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by justwise(m): 12:50pm On Jun 17, 2023
shine12:


What about the coup, or should I say the removal of a democratically elected Ukrainian president by NATO, who was, of course, more inclined towards Russia? Since 2014, Ukraine has been engaging in ongoing bombings targeting ethnically Russian individuals in the Donbas region. As a superpower, Russia naturally opposes being contained by NATO's eastward encroachment or Ukraine signing a treaty with NATO that would allow them to maintain a naval fleet in the Black Sea. Such an arrangement would limit Russia's sea access to the east, jeopardizing its security in the Western region. The United States acknowledges this concern, as there was an agreement after the Cold War known as the "not even an inch" principle, which stipulates that NATO should not encroach towards Russia. However, the current reality is that several former Soviet states have become Western allies. I apologize, but it seems that all Russia desires is similar to what the US, UK, or Canada wants, namely security assurances and the ability to protect itself, rather than being contained by NATO.

So because of all you wrote here Russia has the right to go to war even when Ukraine has not even joined NATO?
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by justwise(m): 12:52pm On Jun 17, 2023
NigerianAngelo:


He is a Jew.

He does not care about Christian lives.



In fact he's aim is to see them killed. -- The people Hitler was talking about. "Synagogue of satan."



They r convertible but it's hard. And they should be under 33 for a chance.

..Putin cares about Christains so much that he started killing them in Ukraine and sending his own Christain to war to die?
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Pascal181: 12:52pm On Jun 17, 2023
Those of supporting this Putin of a thing, may you be invaded by a greater force bigger than you can handle. Where is your humanity for God sake

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Ellasure: 12:55pm On Jun 17, 2023
very good move from Africa and African leaders.

USA is currently in limpho or limbo, their president is causative agent of the war in Ukraine.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by sweetgala(m): 12:57pm On Jun 17, 2023
decatalyst:
Ukraine will be reduced to nothing with this Zaleski in charge.

I was standing with him for some reasons, but at this point, preservation of lives and what is left of National heritage.

It's becoming embarrassing how he became deviant and 100% relying on the west for weapons, food, and strategy to navigate this senseless war.


Western governments keeps sending funds and weapons but the resolve of the citizens is waning to keep funding this far away war while energy costs and inflation is battering their own pockets.

We'll see European countries backing out and calling for peace talks more and more, it's the Americans who are still intent on fighting a proxy war.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by texazzpete(m): 12:59pm On Jun 17, 2023
shine12:


What about the coup, or should I say the removal of a democratically elected Ukrainian president by NATO, who was, of course, more inclined towards Russia? Since 2014, Ukraine has been engaging in ongoing bombings targeting ethnically Russian individuals in the Donbas region. As a superpower, Russia naturally opposes being contained by NATO's eastward encroachment or Ukraine signing a treaty with NATO that would allow them to maintain a naval fleet in the Black Sea. Such an arrangement would limit Russia's sea access to the east, jeopardizing its security in the Western region. The United States acknowledges this concern, as there was an agreement after the Cold War known as the "not even an inch" principle, which stipulates that NATO should not encroach towards Russia. However, the current reality is that several former Soviet states have become Western allies. I apologize, but it seems that all Russia desires is similar to what the US, UK, or Canada wants, namely security assurances and the ability to protect itself, rather than being contained by NATO.


All this is balderdash spread by Russian propaganda.

The Ukrainian president was removed by parliament after he reneged on an agreement to call for fresh elections to resolve weeks of street protests. Protests that started after he reneged on his campaign promises to take Ukraine towards the EU.

You can tell you’ve been brainwashed because not once in this text do you mention Russia’s invasion and theft of Crimea In 2014. Not once do you also mention that Russia started that civil war in East Ukraine, armed separatists and even sent soldiers undercover to clash with the Ukrainian army.

The tale of ‘protecting Ethnic Russians’ is the typical scam Russia has used for decades to invade and annex neighboring territories. Baltic states, Tuva…many others. It’s like Nigeria invading Cameroon by claiming they’re protecting English speakers near the border.

Russia also had a long term lease on the port at Crimea, so there’s no way it was going to be handed over to NATO. And there was absolutely no move by NATO to include Ukraine prior to the war. In fact, Ukraine had tried to push their case multiple times and had been rebuffed. The US, Germany, France, Italy, Hungary and others would not have voted for Ukraine and it has to be an anonymous vote.

The real reason why Russia invaded is that Putin has grand dreams of being a conqueror like Russian emperors and empresses of old. He’s stated that before. He wants to resurrect the Russian empire that includes Belarus and Ukraine…all this was a grand play for land. And he was especially concerned about Ukraine joining the EU and becoming more prosperous would make Russians ask questions of their leaders.

In the early days of the war, Zelensky pushed for peace and insisted they’d sign agreements to remain neutral if Russia stopped and pulled back. Russians laughed and insisted they had to conquer Kyiv, change the government and eliminate the Ukrainian army. These are facts

Now Putin is stewing in regret

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Samcent: 1:11pm On Jun 17, 2023
texazzpete:


No matter how many conspiracy theories you people post, it will never change the absolute, undisputed fact that the war started when Putin cowardly invaded a sovereign country after spending weeks denying an invasion was imminent.

It will also never change the fact that the Germans, Macron and Biden desperately tried to head off the war. From repeated trips or calls to Moscow to extracting assurances from Putin that an invasion wouldn’t happen.

One side started this war. I love Seeing you people vomit blood because the western countries are helping to arm Ukraine to resist their cowardly neighbor.

How people find a way of supporting an aggressor will always baffle me.

Putin started this unjust war for heaven's sake. He is just embarrassed that what he thought would be a 3 day special military operation, is already a 1 year plus war.

I am sure of one thing here: whichever way this war ends, Putin will think twice before attacking any of his neighbor next time.

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Dphenom01: 1:13pm On Jun 17, 2023
texazzpete:
Why is Zelensky ruling out talks?

Because he knows Russia isn’t serious. They currently occupy around 18% of Ukrainian territory and have tried to erase Ukrainian culture and heritage in the areas they control. Not excludin deportation and kidnapping of children.

Zelensky has one key condition for talks to progress. Russia needs to pull out of Ukraine, respecting their sovereignty. But Russia doesn’t want that, since the sole purpose of the invasion was to steal Ukrainian land, topple the government and create a puppet state there just like Belarus.

Instead, Russia wants to freeze the conflict as is while they desperately train their troops and try to replenish their depleted ammo and missile stocks.

Only a fool would trust Russia. Sadly, many Nairalanders are in that category.
If one is fighting whom you cannot beat. If the person they are beating is not tired. Onlookers will pity the person they are beating and call for an end to the fight.
Check it everywhere in history. War doesn't end in the war front it ends on the table of negotiation. Usa invaded libya, iraq, Afghanistan and many others but with negotiations they have withdrawn from them all.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by petermichaels(m): 1:20pm On Jun 17, 2023
PLEASE PUTIN, DO THE NEEDFUL. WE WOULDNT MIND. AFRICA DESIRE A PURGE.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by NSNO(m): 1:29pm On Jun 17, 2023
It pains me to see people with brains blaming Ukraine and the west for this invasion.
Samcent:


How people find a way of supporting an aggressor will always baffle me.

Putin started this unjust war for heaven's sake. He is just embarrassed that what he thought would be a 3 day special military operation, is already a 1 year plus war.

I am sure of one thing here: whichever way this war ends, Putin will think twice before attacking any of his neighbor next time.

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by victorazy(m): 1:31pm On Jun 17, 2023
decatalyst:
Ukraine will be reduced to nothing with this Zaleski in charge.

I was standing with him for some reasons, but at this point, preservation of lives and what is left of National heritage.

It's becoming embarrassing how he became deviant and 100% relying on the west for weapons, food, and strategy to navigate this senseless war.

Anybody that can stand with that guy can stand with goat side by side in mid of war! undecided
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by olisaEze(m): 1:42pm On Jun 17, 2023
undecided
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by N3cR0mAZc3R(m): 1:43pm On Jun 17, 2023
Which African leaders? Definitely not Nigerian president.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by ChronicGp(m): 1:44pm On Jun 17, 2023
WW111 LOADING
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Quelme: 1:46pm On Jun 17, 2023
texazzpete:



All this is balderdash spread by Russian propaganda.

The Ukrainian president was removed by parliament after he reneged on an agreement to call for fresh elections to resolve weeks of street protests. Protests that started after he reneged on his campaign promises to take Ukraine towards the EU.

You can tell you’ve been brainwashed because not once in this text do you mention Russia’s invasion and theft of Crimea In 2014. Not once do you also mention that Russia started that civil war in East Ukraine, armed separatists and even sent soldiers undercover to clash with the Ukrainian army.

The tale of ‘protecting Ethnic Russians’ is the typical scam Russia has used for decades to invade and annex neighboring territories. Baltic states, Tuva…many others. It’s like Nigeria invading Cameroon by claiming they’re protecting English speakers near the border.

Russia also had a long term lease on the port at Crimea, so there’s no way it was going to be handed over to NATO. And there was absolutely no move by NATO to include Ukraine prior to the war. In fact, Ukraine had tried to push their case multiple times and had been rebuffed. The US, Germany, France, Italy, Hungary and others would not have voted for Ukraine and it has to be an anonymous vote.

The real reason why Russia invaded is that Putin has grand dreams of being a conqueror like Russian emperors and empresses of old. He’s stated that before. He wants to resurrect the Russian empire that includes Belarus and Ukraine…all this was a grand play for land. And he was especially concerned about Ukraine joining the EU and becoming more prosperous would make Russians ask questions of their leaders.

In the early days of the war, Zelensky pushed for peace and insisted they’d sign agreements to remain neutral if Russia stopped and pulled back. Russians laughed and insisted they had to conquer Kyiv, change the government and eliminate the Ukrainian army. These are facts

Now Putin is stewing in regret
gibberish

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by anonymous1759(m): 1:48pm On Jun 17, 2023
texazzpete:
Why is Zelensky ruling out talks?

Because he knows Russia isn’t serious. They currently occupy around 18% of Ukrainian territory and have tried to erase Ukrainian culture and heritage in the areas they control. Not excludin deportation and kidnapping of children.

Zelensky has one key condition for talks to progress. Russia needs to pull out of Ukraine, respecting their sovereignty. But Russia doesn’t want that, since the sole purpose of the invasion was to steal Ukrainian land, topple the government and create a puppet state there just like Belarus.

Instead, Russia wants to freeze the conflict as is while they desperately train their troops and try to replenish their depleted ammo and missile stocks.

Only a fool would trust Russia. Sadly, many
Nairalanders are in that category.


The comedian is also a western puppet. German former vice chancellor and Ukrainian ex president said the Minks Agreement was a tool for Ukraine to prepare for the war against Russia . Who started erasing Russian culture in Ukraine ? It was Ukraine that stated it . Stop listening to one sided media it’s dangerous.
Any land you lost in the war is gone. The comedian should’ve stayed neutral to guarantee peace .

The comedian has not achieved anything since this war . He’s lost 18% of is territory , soldiers , weapons piled up debts , he’s not in EU or NATO . While Russia has Annexed 4 regions despite losing Soldiers and amour. Ego is killing him he should a look around USA France and England who are super powers and see if there’s any country around them who are fighting with them even the ones fighting he should look at the hardship happening there.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Pickmycall: 2:01pm On Jun 17, 2023
Una no go go hold peace talk with Sudan?
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by OkukoIgbo: 2:08pm On Jun 17, 2023
Muslims dey support Russia cos of the hate they have for the US, but still if Russia and US bring green card, none of the bastards will ever go to Russia.
Now, this is why I willjContinue saying the slowpoke prophet mohammad is a pig.

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Originalsly: 2:14pm On Jun 17, 2023
Zelensky may be looking for peace... but his puppet masters are not so he cannot agree to anything that will possibly bring peace. It was an opportunity NATO was long looking for to engage Russia in battle. Zelensky gave it to them and they have seized it. Ukraine is not a NATO member so why is NATO sooo involved? Ramphosa is not allowing the West to bully him ... and he is speaking out. Ramphosa in particular and other Af4ican leaders supporting Russia should not be a surprise to an Africwn period. After all .... it was Russia that been mainly funding and backing Mandela and others to fight Apartheid... while the West was supporting it. To any African period ... ask yourself ... what good has the West ever done in Africa to bring about peace and prosperity? Then ask yourself what has Russia or China done? Presently the US is having war games with South Korea ... using live fire ... just out side the border with North Korea. This is not considered a provocation. What do you think will happen if Russia onducts war games with Cuba ... which is near the US border? Compare your two answers and then decide whether or not you're a hypocrite. Hypocrites everywhere.

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by IbnIbrahim: 2:15pm On Jun 17, 2023
decatalyst:
Ukraine will be reduced to nothing with this Zaleski in charge.

I was standing with him for some reasons, but at this point, preservation of lives and what is left of National heritage.

It's becoming embarrassing how he became deviant and 100% relying on the west for weapons, food, and strategy to navigate this senseless war.
The west are one controlling him obviously. I don't see any rational thinking in either of the two leaders(Russia and Ukraine).
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by IbnIbrahim: 2:18pm On Jun 17, 2023
TenQ:

What do you suggest that Zelensky do!?
As we all know, whatever he does will not return Cremia, Donbas, Oddessa or the sea ports to Ukraine. Ukraine will become landlocked and economically crippled!

Thanks

What they should do?
They should negotiate in the interest of peace. Perhaps, if we were to be their citizens, we would clamoring for peace by whatever means possible.
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Tiopii: 2:21pm On Jun 17, 2023
justwise:


..Putin cares about Christains so much that he started killing them in Ukraine and sending his own Christain to war to die?


Reasoning
Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by mach7(m): 2:29pm On Jun 17, 2023
There is a lot of misinformation flying about. There was no air attack in Kiev yesterday. It was all stage managed with air raid sirens to simulate an attack and make the Africans feel sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause.
The spokesman for South African President, Ramaphosa also confirmed that no attack took place.

On the other hand, I feel that African leaders shouldn't involve themselves in Europe's problems.

The conflict in Ukraine will be settled by military means and there will be only one winner. The false Jew will be expelled from power.

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Re: African Leaders Prepare To Meet Putin After Zelensky Rules Out Talks by Tiopii: 2:30pm On Jun 17, 2023
Originalsly:
Zelensky may be looking for peace... but his puppet masters are not so he cannot agree to anything that will possibly bring peace. It was an opportunity NATO was long looking for to engage Russia in battle. Zelensky gave it to them and they have seized it. Ukraine is not a NATO member so why is NATO sooo involved? Ramphosa is not allowing the West to bully him ... and he is speaking out. Ramphosa in particular and other Af4ican leaders supporting Russia should not be a surprise to an Africwn period. After all .... it was Russia that been mainly funding and backing Mandela and others to fight Apartheid... while the West was supporting it. To any African period ... ask yourself ... what good has the West ever done in Africa to bring about peace and prosperity? Then ask yourself what has Russia or China done? Presently the US is having war games with South Korea ... using live fire ... just out side the border with North Korea. This is not considered a provocation. What do you think will happen if Russia onducts war games with Cuba ... which is near the US border? Compare your two answers and then decide whether or not you're a hypocrite. Hypocrites everywhere.


There's no peace without justice.
Ukraine isn't a state under Russia, why is Russia troops in Ukraine?
Ramphosa is speaking out? speaking on behalf of who? to who?
What is Africa's own in the war? Your kind brings the long defeated apartheid era, but you won't mention the atrocities Russia has committed in Eastern Europe.
The war games in S. Korea is paining you? when N.Korea was firing ballistic missiles over S.Korea, you didn't complain, it's war games that's paining you? Ballistic missiles are not provocation na

If Russia can conduct war games with Cuba, they should na..

You are the hypocrite.

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