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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by gard9ner(m): 3:53pm On Aug 21, 2023
gabbytabby:
No where in the world is governance by the citizens on every issue and hence why we have voting by representation. We all wish we can be the fly on the wall and privy to every conversation but it’s better when the individual concentrate on succeeding and being the best version of themselves and let the government do governance.

It is not a village meeting.

The government will take decisions as it sees fit.

You mean representation by voting.

So, with all you education and unlimited imaginations, you feel that the best way to run a government is to exclude the citizens in toto? No active participation in governance and decision making or what whatsoever? Well done 👏

For the benefit of education, pls go and watch or read this Channels TV interview with Adamolekun. Read it here: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/06/silence-is-consent-occupying-the-office-of-the-citizen-2/amp/

In case you think that the idea of “office of the citizen”, just sprung up from Nigerian idealists you’re wrong. Take a cue from Justice Felix Frankfurter’s quote: "In a democracy, the highest office is the office of citizen.” Was he a Nigerian too? Or maybe Thomas Jefferson was.

Don’t you know that the more citizens participate in a democracy, the more democratic it becomes. You’re wrong about citizens concentrating on succeeding and being the best version of themselves and let the government do governance. Seriously, it sounds ignorant, to be moderate with words. Everyone including yourself is striving daily to become a better version of themselves, even for you to come to NL here to seek information or engage me constructively is part of personal development.

So, now because you’re “trying to succeed”, you shouldn’t participate in governance? Don’t you know that even the simplest decision the government make affects you and your environ directly or indirectly, or let me put it better, even the “success” and that “better version of you” largely depend on government decisions? For instance, Emefiele’s fiscal policy some months ago that created the little cash crunch that you and I enjoyed, hope it was favourable to you and your businesses? Or perhaps the recent foreign policies and the unification of exchange rate are positively impacting on your standard of living and maybe your foreign interests.

For your information on how the latter affects you, go and read: https://www.thecable.ng/heres-how-tinubus-unified-exchange-rate-and-naira-devaluation-can-affect-you/amp

More references: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/is-citizen-participation-actually-good-for-democracy/

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by lexy2014: 4:04pm On Aug 21, 2023
Winning123:
Go back to school! The President announced several other measures in his nation-wide broadcast on the N500b approved by the National Assembly.



What are the other measures?

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Larryndelaw: 4:05pm On Aug 21, 2023
gard9ner:
FG borrowed 500bn for palliatives and gave 5bn to each state plus the FCT. Now, 5 x 36(+1) = 185. Therefore, 500 - 185 = 315.

In other words where is the remaining 315bn from the loan, was it used to purchase the bags of rice distributed to the 36 states to cushion the effect of fuel subsidy removal?

Now, my other questions are how is the distribution of 5 trucks of rice (rice oo) to states, mind you some states have tens of millions of residents, help in remedying the high price of PMS, (2) if they really mean well, why can’t they use this monies to build refineries and industries to create employment and end the importation of PMS (3) why didn’t they use the CBN to disburse the monies to every Nigerian using BVN? And who is deceiving who?
Stupid question. Go to your state and start asking your governor about the 5 billion given to him instead of writing nonsense. By now your obnoxious fixation on fed govt should stop and focus on your governor. You will always complain .
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by lexy2014: 4:07pm On Aug 21, 2023
gabbytabby:
No where in the world is governance by the citizens on every issue and hence why we have voting by representation. We all wish we can be the fly on the wall and privy to every conversation but it’s better when the individual concentrate on succeeding and being the best version of themselves and let the government do governance.

It is not a village meeting.

The government will take decisions as it sees fit.


Is that so? Where did you get your point of view from?

If what you say is correct, what then is the meaning of democracy and what is its essence?

The "representation" you mentioned, pls what does it mean?

What do you mean by "voting by representation"?

What is the governance that you say the citizens should let the government to do?

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by lexy2014: 4:09pm On Aug 21, 2023
Larryndelaw:
Stupid question. Go to your state and start asking your governor about the 5 billion given to him instead of writing nonsense. By now your obnoxious fixation on fed govt should stop and focus on your governor. You will always complain .

You sound hurt. Is there a problem or do you need a hug?

Instead of spilling your emotions, why don't you answer his questions logically or provide facts to invalidate all he said?

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by lexy2014: 4:10pm On Aug 21, 2023
gard9ner:

You mean representation by voting.

So, with all you education and unlimited imaginations, you feel that the best way to run a government is to exclude the citizens in toto? No active participation in governance and decision making or what whatsoever? Well done 👏

For the benefit of education, pls go and watch or read this Channels TV interview with Adamolekun. Read it here: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/06/silence-is-consent-occupying-the-office-of-the-citizen-2/amp/

In case you think that the idea of “office of the citizen”, just sprung up from Nigerian idealists you’re wrong. Take a cue from Justice Felix Frankfurter’s quote: "In a democracy, the highest office is the office of citizen.” Was he a Nigerian too? Or maybe Thomas Jefferson was.

Don’t you know that the more citizens participate in a democracy, the more democratic it becomes. You’re wrong about citizens concentrating on succeeding and being the best version of themselves and let the government do governance. Seriously, it sounds ignorant, to be moderate with words. Everyone including yourself is striving daily to become a better version of themselves, even for you to come to NL here to seek information or engage me constructively is part of personal development.

So, now because you’re “trying to succeed”, you shouldn’t participate in governance? Don’t you know that even the simplest decision the government make affects you and your environ directly or indirectly, or let me put it better, even the “success” and that “better version of you” largely depend on government decisions? For instance, Emefiele’s fiscal policy some months ago that created the little cash crunch that you and I enjoyed, hope it was favourable to you and your businesses? Or perhaps the recent foreign policies and the unification of exchange rate are positively impacting on your standard of living and maybe your foreign interests.

For your information on how the latter affects you, go and read: https://www.thecable.ng/heres-how-tinubus-unified-exchange-rate-and-naira-devaluation-can-affect-you/amp

More references: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/is-citizen-participation-actually-good-for-democracy/

All this one wey u give the guy too much. Many nigerians have absolutely no idea about the social contract that exists between them and government. They feel government is doing them a favour

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Segzy19: 4:23pm On Aug 21, 2023
All of you keep shouting use the money to build refineries. How long do you think it takes to build a refinery? So a refinery will be built in 3 months abi and the price of PMS will now drop in 3 months.

Lots of you are unrealistic.... you want miracles
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Larryndelaw: 4:29pm On Aug 21, 2023
lexy2014:


You sound hurt. Is there a problem or do you need a hug?

Instead of spilling your emotions, why don't you answer his questions logically or provide facts to invalidate all he said?
What question? Why not start putting pressure on his state governor abt the 5bn instead of winning on the internet. By now I'm expecting all of you to take your governor to task you agreed that 5bn has been given to your state. What is happening to to the 5bn ? Just answer that.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by lexy2014: 4:31pm On Aug 21, 2023
Larryndelaw:
What question? Why not start putting pressure on his state governor abt the 5bn instead of winning on the internet. By now I'm expecting all of you to take your governor to task you agreed that 5bn has been given to your state. What is happening to to the 5bn ? Just answer that.


Larryndelaw:
Stupid question

You sound hurt. Is there a problem or do you need a hug?

Instead of spilling your emotions, why don't you answer his questions logically or provide facts to invalidate all he said?
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by finallybusy: 5:05pm On Aug 21, 2023
Be asking questions. When you tire, deactivate come find relevant work for the real world. Children on Nairaland.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by MrsTwrite(f): 5:06pm On Aug 21, 2023
Yeye government.😂🤣
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by BabanawanGod: 5:07pm On Aug 21, 2023
God when will you intervain in this nigerian problem
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by HRMK: 5:09pm On Aug 21, 2023
some people could be so dumb!how does distribution of cash and grains sold the challenges of subsidy withdrawal on Nigerians?for how long would that sustain the masses?why not use it on what would be more useful to every Nigerian?
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by gard9ner(m): 5:22pm On Aug 21, 2023
finallybusy:
Be asking questions. When you tire, deactivate come find relevant work for the real world. Children on Nairaland.
Are you addressing my person, or was it someone else?
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by maticar: 6:03pm On Aug 21, 2023
gard9ner:
FG borrowed 500bn for palliatives and gave 5bn to each state plus the FCT. Now, 5 x 36(+1) = 185. Therefore, 500 - 185 = 315.

In other words where is the remaining 315bn from the loan, was it used to purchase the bags of rice distributed to the 36 states to cushion the effect of fuel subsidy removal?

Now, my other questions are how is the distribution of 5 trucks of rice (rice oo) to states, mind you some states have tens of millions of residents, help in remedying the high price of PMS, (2) if they really mean well, why can’t they use this monies to build refineries and industries to create employment and end the importation of PMS (3) why didn’t they use the CBN to disburse the monies to every Nigerian using BVN? And who is deceiving who?
He is deceiving the brainless urchinnns defending him up and down like zombies
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by nnamdi640: 6:07pm On Aug 21, 2023
By the the time state governors and their commissioners including the local government chairman of each local government will remove their own palliatives then you will know that nothing will be left for the masses. Honestly, democracy in Nigeria presently is who know who. If you don't have anybody that is a strong politicians just forget about this country.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Shattuck(m): 7:24pm On Aug 21, 2023
Corruption everywhere, upon all the loans and trillions saved, the populace are getting just peanuts from all these funds, where are the rest?
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Lama70(m): 7:38pm On Aug 21, 2023
Baba should have used that money to subsidize foreign rice,, beans, sugar, vegetable oil and other essentials. Even baking flour too.

They are now sharing 10 grains of rice to the citizens. Intelligent people.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by ugbanante: 7:40pm On Aug 21, 2023
For u to understand why the west will lend us money to spend rather than technology transfer that will help revamp our infrastructure, u will need to understand the basics of international relations, national interest and capitalism.
Else u will only achieve emotional analysis landing u on nothing
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by ogbe88(m): 7:55pm On Aug 21, 2023
stevups:


You don't know what you are saying
who is this lunatic.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by asanausana91: 8:03pm On Aug 21, 2023
I saw a video where a hausa woman cook only salt and water then give her four children to drink. As expectedly all the children died that night.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Batman2412(m): 8:17pm On Aug 21, 2023
I can't understand why FG can't pay directly into our bank accounts
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Image123(m): 8:21pm On Aug 21, 2023
gard9ner:
FG borrowed 500bn for palliatives and gave 5bn to each state plus the FCT. Now, 5 x 36(+1) = 185. Therefore, 500 - 185 = 315.

In other words where is the remaining 315bn from the loan, was it used to purchase the bags of rice distributed to the 36 states to cushion the effect of fuel subsidy removal?

Now, my other questions are how is the distribution of 5 trucks of rice (rice oo) to states, mind you some states have tens of millions of residents, help in remedying the high price of PMS, (2) if they really mean well, why can’t they use this monies to build refineries and industries to create employment and end the importation of PMS (3) why didn’t they use the CBN to disburse the monies to every Nigerian using BVN? And who is deceiving who?

You fellows are plainly ignorant or refuse to think or remember. The president made a nation-wide address and outlined many of these plans, yet you are calculating rubbish about 5 X 36.
Let me re-iterate that palliative is NOT a right and will not reach everybody. A palliative is meant to PALLIATE(to moderate the intensity of something). Subsidy is gone and the country will surely feel it as we are already feeling it. Palliatives are only to help reduce the intensity as much as possible.
Among other things, these are some of the things the president mentioned below. i know you guys are not interested in learning and will ask the same dumb question in few days. Nonetheless.
-Expect, 75 manufacturing enterprises will have access to a N75bn fund.
-N125bn conditional grant budgeted for the MSMEs, 1,300 very small businesses will be given N50,000 across 774 local government areas, 100,000 MSMEs will have access to N500,000 and N1,000,000 loan with nine per cent interest rate payable within 36 months.
- N50bn each to cultivate 150,000 hectares of rice and maize, N50bn each will be invested in cultivating 100,000 hectares of cassava and wheat.
-Infrastructure Support Fund for States to improve rural roads to aid smooth transportation of farm produce.
-N100bn will be spent on the purchase of 3,000 units of 20-seater- CNG fuelled buses.
-Presidential CNG Initiative targeting over 11,500 new CNG-enabled vehicles and 55,000 CNG conversion kits for PMS-dependent vehicles.
- They are also discussing increase in salary.

These and more are the things that you should be tracking instead of asking dumb and ignorant questions like programmed bots in the name of opposition. Dangote refinery costs over $20billion and is not yet ready, and you are here on front page asking that refineries(in plural) be built with 500 billion naira. Do you think a refinery is a car or wrist watch and you just buy/order?
Better KNOW ahead now that refineries will not automatically have major impact on price of PMS. They will mainly ensure availability and reduce pressure on the forex market. PMS price will be affected by global price of crude oil.
Your last point about CBN sharing money via BVN is pathetic height of ignorance. The poorest people don't even have BVN and bank accounts. Nigeria is not just about 5 states or cities. That you live in Lagos, PH, Abuja, Kano does not mean all Nigerians are there. There are the majority other states where they have just a couple of banks with just a couple of branches in the whole state. People travel to bank. If you that is busy pressing phone and watching video is expecting free food, you are on a very long piece of weed. Better pray for the FG, State governments and Local governments to use their new found windfall to help you build quality roads, schools, hospitals, better electricity, jobs and network. Keep watching Tinubu(sharing billions to your state governors) and watching judiciary while the rest rob you blind.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Image123(m): 8:30pm On Aug 21, 2023
Batman2412:
I can't understand why FG can't pay directly into our bank accounts

Are you a government worker or what payment are you waiting for? The greater % of poorest people don't even have BVN and bank accounts. Nigeria is not just about 5 states or cities. That you live in Lagos, PH, Abuja, Kano does not mean all Nigerians are there. There are the majority other states where they have just a couple of banks with just a couple of branches in the whole state. People travel to bank.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Bizibi(m): 8:31pm On Aug 21, 2023
Winning123:
Go back to school! The President announced several other measures in his nation-wide broadcast on the N500b approved by the National Assembly.


Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Bizibi(m): 8:36pm On Aug 21, 2023
Image123:


You fellows are plainly ignorant or refuse to think or remember. The president made a nation-wide address and outlined many of these plans, yet you are calculating rubbish about 5 X 36.
Let me re-iterate that palliative is NOT a right and will not reach everybody. A palliative is meant to PALLIATE(to moderate the intensity of something). Subsidy is gone and the country will surely feel it as we are already feeling it. Palliatives are only to help reduce the intensity as much as possible.
Among other things, these are some of the things the president mentioned below. i know you guys are not interested in learning and will ask the same dumb question in few days. Nonetheless.
-Expect, 75 manufacturing enterprises will have access to a N75bn fund.
-N125bn conditional grant budgeted for the MSMEs, 1,300 very small businesses will be given N50,000 across 774 local government areas, 100,000 MSMEs will have access to N500,000 and N1,000,000 loan with nine per cent interest rate payable within 36 months.
- N50bn each to cultivate 150,000 hectares of rice and maize, N50bn each will be invested in cultivating 100,000 hectares of cassava and wheat.
-Infrastructure Support Fund for States to improve rural roads to aid smooth transportation of farm produce.
-N100bn will be spent on the purchase of 3,000 units of 20-seater- CNG fuelled buses.
-Presidential CNG Initiative targeting over 11,500 new CNG-enabled vehicles and 55,000 CNG conversion kits for PMS-dependent vehicles.
- They are also discussing increase in salary.

These and more are the things that you should be tracking instead of asking dumb and ignorant questions like programmed bots in the name of opposition. Dangote refinery costs over $20billion and is not yet ready, and you are here on front page asking that refineries(in plural) be built with 500 billion naira. Do you think a refinery is a car or wrist watch and you just buy/order?
Better KNOW ahead now that refineries will not automatically have major impact on price of PMS. They will mainly ensure availability and reduce pressure on the forex market. PMS price will be affected by global price of crude oil.
Your last point about CBN sharing money via BVN is pathetic height of ignorance. The poorest people don't even have BVN and bank accounts. Nigeria is not just about 5 states or cities. That you live in Lagos, PH, Abuja, Kano does not mean all Nigerians are there. There are the majority other states where they have just a couple of banks with just a couple of branches in the whole state. People travel to bank. If you that is busy pressing phone and watching video is expecting free food, you are on a very long piece of weed. Better pray for the FG, State governments and Local governments to use their new found windfall to help you build quality roads, schools, hospitals, better electricity, jobs and network. Keep watching Tinubu(sharing billions to your state governors) and watching judiciary while the rest rob you blind.
you and I know that money will be looted,is as if some of you haven't even learn a single lesson from 2020 covid monies of more than 400b naira that was budgeted for disbursements, they even made announcements for disbursed monies without evidence....... well we all know how this will end in the states.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Image123(m): 9:56pm On Aug 21, 2023
Bizibi:
you and I know that money will be looted,is as if some of you haven't even learn a single lesson from 2020 covid monies of more than 400b naira that was budgeted for disbursements, they even made announcements for disbursed monies without evidence....... well we all know how this will end in the states.

You're on to a different pot and matter entirely from the OP. You can produce viable solutions instead of complaints. Complaints and murmuring are as old as Adam and Israel, very easy.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by gard9ner(m): 11:09pm On Aug 21, 2023
Image123:


You fellows are plainly ignorant or refuse to think or remember. The president made a nation-wide address and outlined many of these plans, yet you are calculating rubbish about 5 X 36.
Let me re-iterate that palliative is NOT a right and will not reach everybody. A palliative is meant to PALLIATE(to moderate the intensity of something). Subsidy is gone and the country will surely feel it as we are already feeling it. Palliatives are only to help reduce the intensity as much as possible.
Among other things, these are some of the things the president mentioned below. i know you guys are not interested in learning and will ask the same dumb question in few days. Nonetheless.
-Expect, 75 manufacturing enterprises will have access to a N75bn fund.
-N125bn conditional grant budgeted for the MSMEs, 1,300 very small businesses will be given N50,000 across 774 local government areas, 100,000 MSMEs will have access to N500,000 and N1,000,000 loan with nine per cent interest rate payable within 36 months.
- N50bn each to cultivate 150,000 hectares of rice and maize, N50bn each will be invested in cultivating 100,000 hectares of cassava and wheat.
-Infrastructure Support Fund for States to improve rural roads to aid smooth transportation of farm produce.
-N100bn will be spent on the purchase of 3,000 units of 20-seater- CNG fuelled buses.
-Presidential CNG Initiative targeting over 11,500 new CNG-enabled vehicles and 55,000 CNG conversion kits for PMS-dependent vehicles.
- They are also discussing increase in salary.

These and more are the things that you should be tracking instead of asking dumb and ignorant questions like programmed bots in the name of opposition. Dangote refinery costs over $20billion and is not yet ready, and you are here on front page asking that refineries(in plural) be built with 500 billion naira. Do you think a refinery is a car or wrist watch and you just buy/order?
Better KNOW ahead now that refineries will not automatically have major impact on price of PMS. They will mainly ensure availability and reduce pressure on the forex market. PMS price will be affected by global price of crude oil.
Your last point about CBN sharing money via BVN is pathetic height of ignorance. The poorest people don't even have BVN and bank accounts. Nigeria is not just about 5 states or cities. That you live in Lagos, PH, Abuja, Kano does not mean all Nigerians are there. There are the majority other states where they have just a couple of banks with just a couple of branches in the whole state. People travel to bank. If you that is busy pressing phone and watching video is expecting free food, you are on a very long piece of weed. Better pray for the FG, State governments and Local governments to use their new found windfall to help you build quality roads, schools, hospitals, better electricity, jobs and network. Keep watching Tinubu(sharing billions to your state governors) and watching judiciary while the rest rob you blind.
I stopped reading after your first two paragraphs, if you don’t know how to talk, next time don’t quote me and don’t contribute to my posts, this is a faceless platform, we don’t know each other, neither do we have anything in common and I’m sure we are not mates either.

We are not dragging anything, go check my previous posts, we are not political oppositions nor tribal or religious enemies, I don’t do arguments, you’re nothing to me and your opinions mean little. I just posted today because I felt like, its my first time logging in here for some months now, I would have ignored you but just so you don’t go about like this and end up in trouble one day. I know you’ll not read the handwriting on the wall so go ahead and quote me and insult me in the safety of your proximity and hide behind your IP address.

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Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Bizibi(m): 4:10am On Aug 22, 2023
Image123:


You're on to a different pot and matter entirely from the OP. You can produce viable solutions instead of complaints. Complaints and murmuring are as old as Adam and Israel, very easy.
we will be here again on another journey of wastage by the Nigeria government. The hand writing is already on the wall but you can't even see it.
Re: ₦5 Billion Palliative To Each State, Who Is Deceiving Who? by Bizibi(m): 4:12am On Aug 22, 2023
gard9ner:

I stopped reading after your first two paragraphs, if you don’t know how to talk, next time don’t quote me and don’t contribute to my posts, this is a faceless platform, we don’t know each other, neither do we have anything in common and I’m sure we are not mates either.

We are not dragging anything, go check my previous posts, we are not political oppositions nor tribal or religious enemies, I don’t do arguments, you’re nothing to me and your opinions mean little. I just posted today because I felt like, its my first time logging in here for some months now, I would have ignored you but just so you don’t go about like this and end up in trouble one day. I know you’ll not read the handwriting on the wall so go ahead and quote me and insult me in the safety of your proximity and hide behind your IP address.
just forget that fellow they are like that on nairaland. some of them did worse with their sycophantic attitude in the last administration and ended up making a fool of themselves,it is like that in every administration on this platform.

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