Prygozin is not dead...

my FSB friend confirmed it

First, I want to say a few words about Prigozhin's rebellion.

I do not know who was the first to shout that Prigozhin wanted to overthrow Putin. And why is everyone, including Americans, repeating this nonsense now.

First, Prigozhin himself declared during the mutiny that he and his people were loyal to Putin, they staged a riot of justice against the corrupt Minister of Defense and the bad Russian general staff.

Secondly, after the mutiny a week later, Prigozhin and Wagner's commanders attended Putin's reception in the Kremlin. Where they proved to Putin that they were personally loyal to Putin and ready to become his personal guard.

Thirdly, immediately after the mutiny, Putin addressed the people of Russia TWICE. And both times he declared the instigators of the rebellion traitors to the army, the country and the people.

4. Wagner's commanders are retired military/intelligence officers with a very good career. Many have the highest awards of the state (Hero of Russia, for example). They know our entire power system from the inside. They knew perfectly well that they would not reach Moscow. They knew where they would be waiting on the way to Moscow and where they would be destroyed into dust without endangering civilians. They knew that in Rostov they would not be touched until the last because of the danger to civilians of the city, which they actually took hostage. The column of rebels traveling to Moscow did not take with them so much fuel and so much water/food that it was enough to get to Moscow.

5. I do not know what procedures are adopted in the Nigerian army, and in the Russian army, every unit, every officer knows only that piece of information that relates directly to his duties. Only the leaders of the entire operation know the full picture.


. Many participants of the mutiny learned that they were rebels only from the news or from relatives who went crazy with horror, who began to contact the soldiers by phone/ Internet.

Therefore, in Rostov, many Wagnerians escaped and surrendered to the military police, and the column moving to Moscow began to melt along the way. Trucks with soldiers suddenly dissolved, turning off the main highway at a convenient moment.

Because many soldiers and junior officers carried out the order "to leave point A to point B" and did not know anything else.

6. well, the most important thing.

What are the real, not imaginary, consequences of the rebellion?

See for yourself.

On the eve of the rebellion, Prigozhin records a video message where he declares that Ukraine did not bomb Donbass for 8 years, did not try to arrange a humanitarian catastrophe in Crimea, it was the evil Russians who attacked Ukraine - he repeated exactly what Zelensky and his henchmen constantly repeat.
A day or two before the mutiny, the Ukrainians launched their pre-announced counteroffensive

Wagner did not overthrow Putin and did not even get to corrupt ministers, but he blocked at least one military airfield so that planes could not make combat sorties to the front to support soldiers on the front line; and at that moment Ukrainian troops were advancing on them

And finally, in less than a day, Wagner's group destroyed as many Russian helicopters and planes as Ukrainian troops could not destroy in the previous 2.5 months.
About two dozen people were killed, at least one aircraft serving electronic warfare was shot down and which does not have weapons on board, but has a lot of expensive equipment and very valuable specialists.
And the Wagners could not have been unaware that the plane was not dangerous for them at all (there were no weapons) - they deliberately destroyed it.

And so. understand a simple thing, please.
The whole of Russia (well, except for those who worked in the media empire of Prigozhin) was in shock, horror and great anger because of this.
The mercenaries conducted a raid in the rear of the warring army, hunting Russian pilots.

And Putin, in his address to the people, said this about the Wagners: they stuck a knife in the back of the Russian people in a difficult time. During the war.

Once again: for the citizens of Russia, Prigozhin and those who planned the operation are scoundrels, traitors, the last bastards.
And the fact that the instigators of the rebellion went unpunished caused great discontent among people. Although everyone understood that this was done in order not to arrange a massacre in Rostov, which the mercenaries actually took hostage. It was also necessary to take away heavy weapons from the group without resistance.

When a week later the Ministry of Defense reported HOW MANY and WHAT heavy weapons the Wagners handed back to the Russian army..

everyone was in shock. No one could even imagine how dangerous this gang turned out to be.

Everyone understood that the leaders had to be released in order not to arrange a civil war in the rear of the belligerent army, but everyone was dissatisfied.

And of course, investigations began.. how did it happen that at the state expense (Wagner received money and weapons from the Ministry of Defense + billion-dollar contracts for the supply of food to the active army for Prigozhin's personal holding), such a terrible monster as Wagner appeared. unmanageable in general. and having planes, and tanks, and MLRS, and so on.

Investigations are still pending.


In general, talking about whether Putin ordered Prigozhin, it should be borne in mind - what his rebellion really was and what the citizens of the country think about it.

Ewedegubbler:
Prygozin is not dead...

my FSB friend confirmed it

Then he can't be seen in public for the rest of his life. Since he killed 10 Wagnerians for his own skin. If the Wagnerians find out that he is alive and where he is, his own people will kill him.

Tinubu has a hand in this...his reach is endles

And finally the most interesting thing. Why I think that the catastrophe is the work of Ukrainians.

Ukrainians have a peculiarity. PR is more important to them, loud noise in the information space, in the media, on the Internet, than reality.
They often come up with nonsense themselves, believe in it themselves and begin to act in reality as if their own fantasies are true.

If Prigozhin and Wagner's commanders died in the crash and the cause of the accident was a terrorist attack (a mine on board), then the following is most logical.

Prigozhin owned a very large media empire. And all the time of the special operation, he made himself a very loud advertisement, something like this: "Wagner knows how to fight, but the Russian regular army does not; only Wagner did everything in Syria, only Wagner achieved success in Africa; Prigozhin is a holy disinterested hero, the whole of Russia loves him, he is a hero-hero-hero and the hope of Russia, he is Putin's chief aide and protects Putin from his enemies - traitor ministers and oligarchs." In that spirit.

Unfortunately, Prigozhin, while advertising himself, unwittingly dug his own grave.

The same thing happened with Dugin. Someone advertised him very much in the West "Dugin is the main theorist of the Putin regime, the chief philosopher, Putin's adviser" - and the Ukrainians staged several attempts on Dugin and eventually killed his daughter.

Ukrainians staged a terrorist attack against Prigozhin, BELIEVING powerful advertising on the Internet and media around the world.

Counting on that. that a) if the people's hero dies and everyone finds Putin guilty, then a popular revolt, revolution in Russia, "Maidan" will begin, and b) since all Russia's successes in Africa are only because of Wagner/Prigozhin, if you kill the main ones, then Russia will not be able to do anything in Africa and it will be expelled from everywhere in disgrace.

See for yourself what the authoritative Ukrainian telegram channel writes:
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✅ Russia has lost "Plan B". Prigozhin was a scarecrow for the West. Do you remember how the West banned ALL activism on 24.06, so as not to help the rebels?

They were very afraid of a more radical ruler coming to power in the Russian Federation. Now they have nothing to fear.

The position of the West has clearly strengthened on this issue, but Prigozhin no longer played in Ukraine, but played in Africa.

✅ Russia will lose Africa. All the REAL influence was provided there by the PMCs, not the Foreign Ministry. It is unlikely that someone will be able to make a structure similar in efficiency for the Russian Federation on the continent.

And this is already a geostrategic blow, strongly affecting the global positions of the parties.

Therefore, today's event is not a game of Britons against the United States or GUR against someone, it is a plus for the entire Western Front and a minus for the Russian Federation.
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I have a question for those who live in African countries. Is it true that your countries prayed for Prigozhin and Wagner and all cooperation projects between your country and Russia are being implemented only because there is a holy and cool Prigozhin?

it is especially funny to listen to this, remembering Algeria, Morocco and the fact that even in the CAR Wagner did not steer at all..

in general, Ukrainians as always.. they wanted to do more harm to Russia, and as a result, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief. And African countries (even with putschists in power) and Russia, too.

After all, after the mutiny, Wagner lost huge funding from Russia - and now it needs to find a job and money somewhere..

who knows what order Prigozhin would actually undertake to fulfill?
at least, his position on Niger was directly opposite to Russia's position.

and who needs "the best fighters in the world" who have a habit of turning their weapons against the customer at a critical moment?

PS. Funny. I found this forum and began to study what people were saying; and also found regional press in English and French and began to look at it regularly. do you know why?

Because in the Russian media after the uprising in Niger, short reports began to appear "look. people on the streets with Russian flags and Wagner emblems."

I didn't like it terribly and I wanted to find out what was really going on and whether Wagner really had such a strong influence in the Sahel region and what the hell was the Russian flag being molded to him, on which he wiped his feet.

I felt an inexpressible relief, reading both in the media articles and here on the forum a very reasonable and balanced attitude towards mercenaries. mercenaries are mercenaries and the fee for contacting them can be extremely high.

EmmyDJourno:
This one loud oO, because who come kill am
Putin or the West🤣

Naa PUTIN handiwork be that, the whole world know

Hmmm

Putin is a dictator. This is how he's been taking out opposition since.

Fools will start comparing Russia to the US

Brendaniel:


That's the mistake you are still making, I once thought like you till Buhari came on board, even the rich were killed because of bad decisions of the people choosing bad leaders, Alex Badeh was former CDS, bandits killed him, he was rich even had escorts with him, there were people who came from abroad with their money just to visit family members and never returned, there are so many cases, is it farm owners and so on.

I found out when you leave stupid people to choose leaders for you, you might end up paying for your negligence, I don't pray to be in that situation.

For me I see democracy as highly flawed, at least what they call democracy in its simple form of majority carrying the votes because you can have a stupid majority and they will cause havoc for the rest of the people

you are right

Jane74:
And finally the most interesting thing. Why I think that the catastrophe is the work of Ukrainians.

Ukrainians have a peculiarity. PR is more important to them, loud noise in the information space, in the media, on the Internet, than reality.
They often come up with nonsense themselves, believe in it themselves and begin to act in reality as if their own fantasies are true.

If Prigozhin and Wagner's commanders died in the crash and the cause of the accident was a terrorist attack (a mine on board), then the following is most logical.

Prigozhin owned a very large media empire. And all the time of the special operation, he made himself a very loud advertisement, something like this: "Wagner knows how to fight, but the Russian regular army does not; only Wagner did everything in Syria, only Wagner achieved success in Africa; Prigozhin is a holy disinterested hero, the whole of Russia loves him, he is a hero-hero-hero and the hope of Russia, he is Putin's chief aide and protects Putin from his enemies - traitor ministers and oligarchs." In that spirit.

Unfortunately, Prigozhin, while advertising himself, unwittingly dug his own grave.

The same thing happened with Dugin. Someone advertised him very much in the West "Dugin is the main theorist of the Putin regime, the chief philosopher, Putin's adviser" - and the Ukrainians staged several attempts on Dugin and eventually killed his daughter.

Ukrainians staged a terrorist attack against Prigozhin, BELIEVING powerful advertising on the Internet and media around the world.

Counting on that. that a) if the people's hero dies and everyone finds Putin guilty, then a popular revolt, revolution in Russia, "Maidan" will begin, and b) since all Russia's successes in Africa are only because of Wagner/Prigozhin, if you kill the main ones, then Russia will not be able to do anything in Africa and it will be expelled from everywhere in disgrace.

See for yourself what the authoritative Ukrainian telegram channel writes:
_____________________________________

✅ Russia has lost "Plan B". Prigozhin was a scarecrow for the West. Do you remember how the West banned ALL activism on 24.06, so as not to help the rebels?

They were very afraid of a more radical ruler coming to power in the Russian Federation. Now they have nothing to fear.

The position of the West has clearly strengthened on this issue, but Prigozhin no longer played in Ukraine, but played in Africa.

✅ Russia will lose Africa. All the REAL influence was provided there by the PMCs, not the Foreign Ministry. It is unlikely that someone will be able to make a structure similar in efficiency for the Russian Federation on the continent.

And this is already a geostrategic blow, strongly affecting the global positions of the parties.

Therefore, today's event is not a game of Britons against the United States or GUR against someone, it is a plus for the entire Western Front and a minus for the Russian Federation.
________________

I have a question for those who live in African countries. Is it true that your countries prayed for Prigozhin and Wagner and all cooperation projects between your country and Russia are being implemented only because there is a holy and cool Prigozhin?

it is especially funny to listen to this, remembering Algeria, Morocco and the fact that even in the CAR Wagner did not steer at all..

in general, Ukrainians as always.. they wanted to do more harm to Russia, and as a result, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief. And African countries (even with putschists in power) and Russia, too.

After all, after the mutiny, Wagner lost huge funding from Russia - and now it needs to find a job and money somewhere..

who knows what order Prigozhin would actually undertake to fulfill?
at least, his position on Niger was directly opposite to Russia's position.

and who needs "the best fighters in the world" who have a habit of turning their weapons against the customer at a critical moment?

PS. Funny. I found this forum and began to study what people were saying; and also found regional press in English and French and began to look at it regularly. do you know why?

Because in the Russian media after the uprising in Niger, short reports began to appear "look. people on the streets with Russian flags and Wagner emblems."

I didn't like it terribly and I wanted to find out what was really going on and whether Wagner really had such a strong influence in the Sahel region and what the hell was the Russian flag being molded to him, on which he wiped his feet.

I felt an inexpressible relief, reading both in the media articles and here on the forum a very reasonable and balanced attitude towards mercenaries. mercenaries are mercenaries and the fee for contacting them can be extremely high.

You have inept knowledge of this war, I had to say it again. On Prigozhin dying, whether Putin ordered it or the Ukraine, that man needed to go as he was very dangerous even to our people, the people of Russia. The MOD and Putin was very smart the way they handled him in Rostov. America thought Russia would respond in their usual manner as a hot head but, Putin applied wisdom and patience.

Brendaniel:


People make the policies, people run the institutions, politicians abuse the institutions, you have to fight the politicians to protect the institutions....

you are right

Putin shot it down


https://twitter.com/MariettaDaviz/status/1694444451697951193?t=TB16PyTE_FpPE0mQ-U1PIQ&s=19

Moniya4Real:

He was actually against the Russian military brass according the interview I watched on CNN shortly after the rebellion.The Wagner boss actually said it himself that no one was after the elected president of Russia, according to him. But the moment he took that wrong step, I knew he was a gonner

They were about to carry out a coup in Russia,like I said earlier the only person that stopped the Wagner group was lukashenko.it was a 50/50 decision for the Wagner boss.

trutharena:
Lol. No be the Wagner wey people for Niger Republic dey depend on but this.

Putin na badass. He dosen’t forgive.

This is what Buhari should have done to that terrorist Nnamdi Kanu. Kill him asap instead of wasting scarce resources on feeding him beans in prison.

Same thing should have been done to Odumegu Ojuku, if Gowon had planned Ojuku plane crash while coming back from Aburi in Ghana, he would not have been able to fuulishly sacrifice millions of people and plunge Nigeria into needless civil war that cost us $billions.

between the igbos and the fulanis who are more deadly and dangerous to Nigerians?

What’s your point exactly? When CNN and other western media that are always known to be Anti-Russia aired the mutiny by Wagner like I wrote above

Zealag:

They were about to carry out a coup in Russia,like I said earlier the only person that stopped the Wagner group was lukashenko.it was a 50/50 decision for the Wagner boss.

sukkot:
yall buying this shit ? This is KGB101 espionage tactic, let your enemies think you have been neutralized then BOOM!!!! you resurface out of nowhere and smash ‘em up.

That mane prigozhin somewhere in Niamey right about na ready to bbq some French troops by surprise.

The element of surprise

Greetings Sukkot.

That feedback of your's cracked me up here.

LMAO... I hear you loud and clear Sukkot.

This former KGB intel officer
(Vladimir Putin) doesn't forgive his perceived enemies (like Prigozhin of Wagner and the Russian opposition) easily though and gets rid of them in insidious multiple ways so that they do not create more danger for him down the road... Classic KGB style... Part of the laws of power.


Have a great day my bruv!

..are you an outcast? It seems so.... No wonder you are so useless as your statement..

Putin na badass. He dosen’t forgive.

This is what Buhari should have done to that terrorist Nnamdi Kanu. Kill him asap instead of wasting scarce resources on feeding him beans in prison.

Same thing should have been done to Odumegu Ojuku, if Gowon had planned Ojuku plane crash while coming back from Aburi in Ghana, he would not have been able to fuulishly sacrifice millions of people and plunge Nigeria into needless civil war that cost us $billions.[/quote]

Dafresh:

You mean he doesn't have second in Command? how many years have he been the command? Is he the one that formed the group? or he has no replacement. They way you guys talk eee

he is the founder of the group

ajepako:
Don't mess with Mr.Vladimir Putin

He never forgives

Nor forgets

I knew the guy dug his own grave and was already a living dead in June when he mutineered against Putin

One thing about Oga Putin be say

He no go even hide to treat the f***k up

He go do am openly with plenty evidence say na him do am

The guy should even thank God it was a quick death and they didn't make it slow and painful like using sledge hammer to break every bone in his body first!

( Jeez! Even all dreaded crime cartels in movies avoid messing with Russians , because of their extreme brutality in eliminating enemies)

The next would be his entire family if he has any ( l pray he doesn't) because Russian elimination leaves no living family member behind..

Abi, how person go explain this?

Yoruba go talk say: Aje ke Lana, Omo ku Leni ( witch cried yesterday, pikin die today, who no know say na the winch wey die yesterday kill the baby)

Anyway, RIP man!

*cry

Brendaniel:


After killing Nnamdi KANU, all the terrorist and bandits in the north will just fall down and die, dollar will drop from 900 to 100 naira, bag of rice will drop to 5k, Almajiris will just become educated and be blowing big grammar, herdsmen will stop killing people in the south west.

Petrol will drop from 600 and remain permanent at 100 naira per litre, every graduate will become employed, Police brutality will end, army will stop beating civilians for just waving at them.

Let me stop here, Buhari didn't try at all, by now Nigeria would have been like Canada, just look at the mistake he made

Nah mnk and ipob be their biggest problem for this country

XAUBulls:

Greetings Sukkot.

That feedback of your's cracked me up here.

LMAO... I hear you loud and clear Sukkot.

This former KGB intel officer
(Vladimir Putin) doesn't forgive his perceived enemies (like Prigozhin of Wagner and the Russian opposition) easily though and gets rid of them in insidious multiple ways so that they do not create more danger for him down the road... Classic KGB style... Part of the laws of power.


Have a great day my bruv!

ahhhh but are they enemies ? or is that what they want you to believe ?

have a great day too

raskymonojendor:

The Ukrainians would be very happy. However, Nigeriens, Malians, Burkina Fasos, and Guineans will be sad.

With Wagner in Mali, the terrorists and jihadist had already taken over half of the country. Now that Wagner is gone, they will just take over the rest of the country from the Mali military junta.

U forgot to add ipob/ zombidence/ sadeast children's to the sad group

ClassicMan202:
Sope otilo


Putin never forgets

Never forgives.... POTUS warned him

You go explain tire. No evidence

JOemmy:


It's actually buhari and gowon that deserves this type of death for committing genocide, fighting for the freedom of ur people have never and will never be a criminal offense if it were to be a crime all the nigerian leaders that fought for nigeria's independence would have been either killed or jailed. Free ur heart from hate it kills faster than anything.

Ojukwu caused the genocide. Don't get it twisted. Fighting a battle you can never win is not only foolishness but genocide of your own people. Same thing with Zelensky

Exactly two months later. He dared Putin on June 23 now dead August 23... You go explain tire

wntnews:
He (Wagner Boss) was a walking dead before now. May God let us live to see the end of Putin.

Putin will live to be ripe old man before dying of natural causes. Those who wished him death will most likely die before him, including some jobless Nigerian youths on nairaland putting their mouth where dem no know.

trutharena:


Who cares if you are from futa toro?

i care when you likes keep on creating unnecessary enemies for us all in the name of politics,.. If you have something better doing in your life, you won't be online saying rubbish.

BentizilL:

You're a fool for saying this, so ojukwu have to kill my people because he want to fight Gowon?

Is Gowon from Edo that we have to die?

os Sorry i dont converse people with gutter words online. You free to say or think whatever you want to think or.say

I love this man abeg, Chess Lord, patience, wisdom, calmness and strike