Concerning the journey of the children of Isreal through the Sinai desert, here are some the points raised by the Authors:

1. Since according to the biblical account, the children of Israel wandered in the desert and mountains of the Sinai peninsula, moving around and camping in different places, for a full forty years.

Some archaeological traces of their generation-long wandering in the Sinai should be apparent.

2. However, except for the Egyptian forts along the northern coast, not a single campsite or sign of occupation from the time of Ramesses II and his immediate predecessors and successors has ever been identified in Sinai.

3. Repeated archaeological surveys in all regions of the peninsula, including the mountainous area around the traditional site of Mount Sinai, near Saint Catherine’s Monastery, have yielded only negative evidence: not even a single sherd, no structure, not a single house, no trace of an ancient encampment.

4. Even though modern archaeological techniques are quite capable of tracing even the very meager remains of hunter-gatherers and pastoral nomads all over the world.

There is simply no such evidence at the supposed time of the Exodus in the thirteenth century BCE.

5. The conclusion—that the Exodus did not happen at the time and in the manner described in the Bible—seems irrefutable when we examine the evidence at specific sites where the children of Israel were said to have camped for extended periods during their wandering in the desert ( Numbers 33 ) and where some archaeological indication—if present—would almost certainly be found.

FxMasterz:
Egypt's Pharaoh pursued the Israelites into the red sea and perished there

Where is it written that the Pharaoh perished in the sea?

FxMasterz:
they were just honestly penning down their records

Really? So why is there no archeological evidence for this 'honest' exodus?

LordReed:


Really? So why is there no archeological evidence for this 'honest' exodus?

That is very important question.

I honestly don't know why people feel threatened when these topics are explored.

Why can't we investigate into biblical history and chronology?

Or are they scared of what they might find out?

Even the Bible at 1 Thessalonians 5 VS 21 encourages everyone to - "Test all things..."

How can we "test all things.." when we don't take our time to do indepth research?

Makes you wonder.

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LordReed:


Really? So why is there no archeological evidence for this 'honest' exodus?

What pieces of evidence are you actually looking for? Archeological footprints of people marching across the Sinai Peninsula?

oteneaaron:


That is very important question.

I honestly don't know why people feel threatened when these topics are explored.

Why can't we investigate into biblical history and chronology?

Or are they scared of what they might find out?

Even the Bible at 1 Thessalonians 5 VS 21 encourages everyone to - "Test all things..."

How can we "test all things.." when we don't take our time to do indepth research?

Makes you wonder.

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To do indepth research you need to go back in time and see what really happened for yourself.

All the so called archeological finds are the things the Egyptians wrote for themselves. The Israelites also have written for themselves. I have given you clues that may guide you in making comparative analysis of the conflicting stories. Now, the ball is in your court.

LordReed:


Where is it written that the Pharaoh perished in the sea?

Google is your friend.

FxMasterz:


What pieces of evidence are you actually looking for? Archeological footprints of people marching across the Sinai Peninsula?

Read the OP's submissions.

FxMasterz:


Google is your friend.

LoLz.

LordReed:


Read the OP's submissions.

I already did.

oteneaaron:


That is very important question.

I honestly don't know why people feel threatened when these topics are explored.

Why can't we investigate into biblical history and chronology?

Or are they scared of what they might find out?

Even the Bible at 1 Thessalonians 5 VS 21 encourages everyone to - "Test all things..."

How can we "test all things.." when we don't take our time to do indepth research?

Makes you wonder.

🤔🤔

What is funny is this same FzMasterz was the one who touted some archeological finds as proof of the existence of Sodom and Gomorrah. The double standard is just laughable, as if if the archeological evidence existed he won't be the first to offer it up as proof.

FxMasterz:


I already did.

Then you have your answers.

LordReed:


Then you have your answers.

No, I already countered the flawed answers.

FxMasterz:


To do indepth research you need to go back in time and see what really happened for yourself.

All the so called archeological finds are the things the Egyptians wrote for themselves. The Israelites also have written for themselves. I have given you clues that may guide you in making comparative analysis of the conflicting stories. Now, the ball is in your court.

You seem to be the missing the point.

I understand your admission about the "Egyptians distorting history" although you provided no evidence to support this claim.

But there are still other issues at hand.

The Bible clearly states that the children of Isreal were stuck in the Sinai desert for 40 years.

Mind you, rain has not fallen in this desert for over 11,000 years, so archaeological evidences like clothes, dead bodies, pots etc should be well preserved.

So if millions of Israelites walked through this desert, why have archaeologists not found a single strand of evidence of these Isrealites even after digging around the desert for more than 200 years?

Can you please explain why?

No, because magic isn’t real. No need for convoluted research.

Also, the “Israel Steele” does not mention Israel. A couple of European clerics with their confirmation bias when looking for any evidence for their delusions claimed that ISI.RI.AR translates to Israel which is obviously bullshit. This incident with the steele shows how nonsense becomes accepted as fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

Petrie called upon Wilhelm Spiegelberg, a German philologist in his archaeological team, to translate the inscription. Spiegelberg was puzzled by one symbol towards the end, that of a people or tribe whom Merneptah (also written Merenptah) had victoriously smitten – I.si.ri.ar? Petrie quickly suggested that it read "Israel!" Spiegelberg agreed that this translation must be correct.[1] "Won't the reverends be pleased?" remarked Petrie. At dinner that evening, Petrie, who realized the importance of the find, said: "This stele will be better known in the world than anything else I have found." The news of its discovery made headlines when it reached the English papers.

FxMasterz:


No, I already countered the flawed answers.

Is that what my question was about? LoLz.

oteneaaron:


You seem to be the missing the point.

I understand your admission about the "Egyptians distorting history" although you provided no evidence to support this claim.

But there are still other issues at hand.

The Bible clearly states that the children of Isreal were stuck in the Sinai desert for 40 years.

Mind you, rain has not fallen in this desert for over 11,000 years, so archaeological evidences like clothes, dead bodies, pots etc should be well preserved.

So if millions of Israelites walked through this desert, why have archaeologists not found a single strand of evidence of these Isrealites even after digging around the desert for more than 200 years?

Can you please explain why?

First, you too can attest that you have no evidence for the claims the Egyptians also made other than what they wrote about themselves.

The area has not been completely excavated. Diggings and more diggings are still ongoing. Findings could still be made in coming years. You can't draw your conclusions on an area whose archeological explorations remain inconclusive. The Israelites painted vivid images of locations and events and even mentioned powerful nations and kings. The narratives are so detailed and full of activities that you could see clearly that they were not concocted.

Of what value would it be for a people to concoct stories that they were once slaves somewhere? Of what value would it be for them to state that they were roaming a wilderness for 40yrs? What do you think they intended to achieve by telling such lies? Besides, they didn't write for the world. They wrote for themselves. To keep records of their own events. What would they gain by writing such lies for themselves? Archeology is still digging the place. These story is more than 4000 years old. How old is archeology itself?

FxMasterz:

Of what value would it be for a people to concoct stories that they were once slaves somewhere? Of what value would it be for them to state that they were roaming a wilderness for 40yrs? What do you think they intended to achieve by telling such lies? Besides, they didn't write for the world. They wrote for themselves. To keep records of their own events. What would they gain by writing such lies for themselves?

Wow!
Some are just naturally intelligent indeed!

FxMasterz:


The area has not been completely excavated.

The Bible clearly stated that out of the 40 years spent in the wilderness, 38 of those years were spent in Kadesh-barnea.

Over 200 years of intense excavations have been done around this area of Kadesh-barnea, and yet no single archeological evidence has been found.

So what gives?

Diggings and more diggings are still ongoing. Findings could still be made in coming years.

By this your statement, are you admitting that since there have been no archeological findings made so far, then the Exodus story didn't happen?

So until a finding can be found, Exodus didn't really happen.

The Israelites painted vivid images of locations and events and even mentioned powerful nations and kings. The narratives are so detailed and full of activities that you could see clearly that they were not concocted.

It is quite obvious that you didn't read any of the information I shared above.

The main crux of the matter is the period the Exodus is supposed to happen.

The Exodus was supposed to have occurred in the late 13th century BCE (The Bronze Age), but many of the Kings and kingdoms mentioned, didn't even exist with that specific time period.

For example, the Bible states that the wandering Israelites were forced to do battle at the city of Heshbon, capital of Sihon, king of the Amorites, who tried to block the Israelites from passing in his territory on their way to Canaan (Numbers 21 : 21 – 25 ; Deuteronomy 2 : 24 – 35 ; Judges 11 : 19 – 21 ).

But excavations at Tel Hesban south of Amman, the location of ancient Heshbon, showed that there was no Late Bronze city, not even a small village there.

Another example - according to the Bible, when the children of Israel moved along the Transjordanian plateau they met and confronted resistance not only in Moab but also from the full-fledged states of Edom and Ammon.

But we now know that the plateau of Transjordan was very sparsely inhabited in the Late Bronze Age. In fact, most parts of this region, including Edom, which is mentioned as a state ruled by a king in the biblical narrative, were not even inhabited by a sedentary population at that time.

So basically, archaeology has shown us that there were no kings of Edom there for the Israelites to meet.

Of what value would it be for a people to concoct stories that they were once slaves somewhere? Of what value would it be for them to state that they were roaming a wilderness for 40yrs? What do you think they intended to achieve by telling such lies?

You tell me.

The main point of the issue is this - the Exodus is supposed to have happen the Bronze Age i.e late 13th century BCE, but archeological finds have showed that these events didn't happen at this particular time period.

Or have you forgotten that the old testament as found in the Bible is based on the Septuagaint, which are supposed to be written down sayings of stories of 70 Israelites who only recited these stories from memory?

Besides, they didn't write for the world. They wrote for themselves. To keep records of their own events. What would they gain by writing such lies for themselves? Archeology is still digging the place. These story is more than 4000 years old. How old is archeology itself?

These double standards will not work in this case.

Way older sites have been discovered by archaeologists.

Have you heard of Goblekli Tepe the 11,000 year old temple that was found in Turkey?

But like you said, new findings "could" still be found.

Until then, there is no archeological evidence that proves the Exodus occurred within time period of the 13th century BCE.

FxMasterz:


First, you too can attest that you have no evidence for the claims the Egyptians also made other than what they wrote about themselves.

The area has not been completely excavated. Diggings and more diggings are still ongoing. Findings could still be made in coming years. You can't draw your conclusions on an area whose archeological explorations remain inconclusive. The Israelites painted vivid images of locations and events and even mentioned powerful nations and kings. The narratives are so detailed and full of activities that you could see clearly that they were not concocted.

Of what value would it be for a people to concoct stories that they were once slaves somewhere? Of what value would it be for them to state that they were roaming a wilderness for 40yrs? What do you think they intended to achieve by telling such lies? Besides, they didn't write for the world. They wrote for themselves. To keep records of their own events. What would they gain by writing such lies for themselves? Archeology is still digging the place. These story is more than 4000 years old. How old is archeology itself?

There is a concept called a Noble lie. Look it up.
Also, during the time these stories were written, it was fairly common for whole cities or certain leaders to be sent on exile by people who conquer them. The history of Mesopotamia and the levant has examples of these. So, it’s not farfetched to write such a story of being enslaved.

Also, the only thing vivid about those stories are the extraordinary bullshit they claim.
Hell, they couldn’t even name the Pharoah that allegedly drowned because the stuttering terrorist Moses pointed a magic stick at the Red Sea.

KnownUnknown:


There is a concept called a Noble lie. Look it up.
Also, during the time these stories were written, it was fairly common for whole cities or certain leaders to be sent on exile by people who conquer them. The history of Mesopotamia and the levant has examples of these. So, it’s not farfetched to write such a story of being enslaved.

Also, the only thing vivid about those stories are the extraordinary bullshit they claim.
Hell, they couldn’t even name the Pharoah that allegedly drowned because the stuttering terrorist Moses pointed a magic stick at the Red Sea.

Very true.

Moreso, many of these stories are a copy, of a copy, of yet another copy that were based on stories recited from memory.

Makes you think about the game called telephone.

oteneaaron:


Very true.

Moreso, many of these stories are a copy, of a copy, of yet another copy that were based on stories recited from memory.

Makes you think about the game called telephone.

My favorite is the Noah story where they got the name Shem. They call themselves “Semitic” based on a bullshit story that the ancient Hebrews copied. Even crazier, the idea of semitism was originated in Germany. Lmao I just have to laugh at the amount of bullshit in this world of ours.

KnownUnknown:


My favorite is the Noah story where they got the name Shem. They call themselves “Semitic” based on a bullshit story that the ancient Hebrews copied. Even crazier, the idea of semitism was originated in Germany. Lmao I just have to laugh at the amount of bullshit in this world of ours.

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Wait until they hear of the story of the Legend of Atrahasis aka Upnapishtim who is the original Noah from the ancient Sumeria.

The story of Noah is just a cheap copy of the Legend of Atrahasis.

KnownUnknown:


There is a concept called a Noble lie. Look it up.
Also, during the time these stories were written, it was fairly common for whole cities or certain leaders to be sent on exile by people who conquer them. The history of Mesopotamia and the levant has examples of these. So, it’s not farfetched to write such a story of being enslaved.

Also, the only thing vivid about those stories are the extraordinary bullshit they claim.
Hell, they couldn’t even name the Pharoah that allegedly drowned because the stuttering terrorist Moses pointed a magic stick at the Red Sea.

It was Ramses na, didn't you watch The Ten Commandments movie? LMFAO!

LordReed:


It was Ramses na, didn't you watch The Ten Commandments movie? LMFAO!

I do my best to avoid propaganda, especially the white supremacist kind. lol

That exodus story is too detailed for it to be completely false.

But do you realise that you have not proven it wrong conclusively? All you have done is to let us know that there is no evidence yet that it happened as the bible said.

Hopefully future excavations will shed more light on the issue.

NSNO:
That exodus story is too detailed for it to be completely false.

But do you realise that you have not proven it wrong conclusively? All you have done is to let us know that there is no evidence yet that it happened as the bible said.

Hopefully future excavations will shed more light on the issue.

You should read J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, his description of how Eru Ilúvatar created everything is very detailed, maybe you'll believe that one too.

NSNO:
That exodus story is too detailed for it to be completely false.

How is it detailed?

Psalm 78:13: “He divided the sea and caused them to pass through; and He made the waters stand up like a heap.”

How deep was the red sea where Moses crossed?

oteneaaron:


That is very important question.

I honestly don't know why people feel threatened when these topics are explored.

Why can't we investigate into biblical history and chronology?

Or are they scared of what they might find out?

Even the Bible at 1 Thessalonians 5 VS 21 encourages everyone to - "Test all things..."

How can we "test all things.." when we don't take our time to do indepth research?

Makes you wonder.

🤔🤔

Do you not real eyes that all your presentations are based completely on hearsay? And even your presentation admits the fact that they are not absolutely certain as to the timing, so it is natural and conclusive that your results would be wrong.

LordReed:


You should read J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, his description of how Eru Ilúvatar created everything is very detailed, maybe you'll believe that one too.

But not believable. That's it's weakness.

oteneaaron:


😁😁

Wait until they hear of the story of the Legend of Atrahasis aka Upnapishtim who is the original Noah from the ancient Sumeria.

The story of Noah is just a cheap copy of the Legend of Atrahasis.

Or it was created to pervert the story of Abraham so that people like you can have a ground to lay your delusions

KnownUnknown:


There is a concept called a Noble lie. Look it up.
Also, during the time these stories were written, it was fairly common for whole cities or certain leaders to be sent on exile by people who conquer them. The history of Mesopotamia and the levant has examples of these. So, it’s not farfetched to write such a story of being enslaved.

Also, the only thing vivid about those stories are the extraordinary bullshit they claim.
Hell, they couldn’t even name the Pharoah that allegedly drowned because the stuttering terrorist Moses pointed a magic stick at the Red Sea.

If the bible was a noble lie then it would have been clean like the Egyptian history.