mrvitalis:

No matter the amount of farm land you have there are foods you can't produce...

$15 billion food bill is very small for me

The focus should not be on stopping import rather what to do to increase export simple

Will you please shut up?
Do no allow me say something that will get me banned .
$16 billion is too small for YOU?
Who the hell are you?
What is our total export to the World? Apart from crude oil?
Where exactly will the $16 billion come from? borrowing
No one is saying there should be zero imports
The question is ,what exactly are we importing?What
Are we importing caviar or cheese?
Is that where the $16 billion goes?
No
It is
Cooking oil
Palm oil
Maize
Fish
Chicken
Turkey
Wheat
Milk
Rice

If you have nothing sensible to say just shut up.

The issue with the $16 billion is simple Nigeria should be a net exporter of food.
If Holland with I million hectares can we should too
We Are not producing much of value for export besides oil and cannot afford the food imports
That is why there is hunger in the land

ivolt:

He is a selective free-market proponent.
He never ever criticises government spending no matter how outrageous or wasteful unless the masses are the beneficiary.
He is essentially anti-subsidy for the citizens only.


You are right.
True free market is impractical.
It is a recipe for an unstable society.

Yes but he criticises goverment inability to make more money, corruption and incompetence.

He is also amused at the number of people with nests on der cranium...

ivolt:


I think some of you can't tell the difference between numbers and rates or are deliberately
sidestepping it.
It doesn't matter if China's agriculture value is 1000 gazillion dollars.

When you are asked what is the percentage contribution of agric to Chinese economy,
it is still 7% !
Guess Nigeria's ratio is?

Also, did you know that Nigeria's oil revenue does not also come close to Chinese manufacturing?
But it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed.

China has 229 million agricultural workers, 25% of its population, and I can tell you it is not a position that China wants to maintain.
It used to have more than 70% of its people in agriculture and guess what its economy looks like at that time, it was famine everywhere.
You see big agricultural numbers is not something to brag about but to plan against.
It signifies low productivity and poverty.

Do you think China practices hoe and cutlass agriculture we practice here in Nigeria?? What's bad about mechanized agriculture that China should be ashamed of?? When 70% of its workforce was in agriculture, it was govt-imposed socialist collectivised form of agriculture, but things have changed.

aribisala0:

Will you please shut up?
Do no allow me say something that will get me banned .
$16 billion is too small for YOU?
Who the hell are you?
What is our total export to the World? Apart from crude oil?
Where exactly will the $16 billion come from? borrowing
No one is saying there should be zero imports
The question is ,what exactly are we importing?What
Are we importing caviar or cheese?
Is that where the $16 billion goes?
No
It is
Cooking oil
Palm oil
Maize
Fish
Chicken
Turkey
Wheat
Milk
Rice

If you have nothing sensible to say just shut up.

The issue with the $16 billion is simple Nigeria should be a net exporter of food.
If Holland with I million hectares can we should too
We Are not producing much of value for export besides oil and cannot afford the food imports
That is why there is hunger in the land

Lmaooo you import apples can you grow that in Nigeria

You import cooking oil, do you grow canola? Olive? Know

You import stock fish

You import milk do you have the climate?

You import wine do you have the climate for grapes?

Oh apple juice?

Ooh wheat
How about oat, how sardines can you find them in your river?

You should be asking what we can export to the world

mrvitalis:

Lmaooo you import apples can you grow that in Nigeria

You import cooking oil, do you grow canola? Olive? Know

You import stock fish

You import milk do you have the climate?

You import wine do you have the climate for grapes?

Oh apple juice?

Ooh wheat
How about oat, how sardines can you find them in your river?

You should be asking what we can export to the world

We import $16 billion worth of apples?What
The bulk of cooking oil we import is bleached refined palm oil
Aka. RBD palm OIL
I listed those things that make up.The bulk of our import bill which we have no business importing.
I have not said we should not import food so do not dissemble I said NET we should not be a food importer
NET.

YOU deliberately choose to ignore that and insist on being stupid

Like I said I'd you have nothing sensible to say shut up

You are just clutching at straws
The point is we should be a net food exporter

Like I said you do not come here to learn but to proudly showcase your ignorance and folly

YES WE HAVE THE CLIMATE TO PRODUCE ALL THE WHEAT WE CONSUME

You are like I said comprehensively ignorant and proud of it

aribisala0:


We import $16 billion worth of apples?What
The bulk of cooking oil we import is bleached refined palm oil
I listed those things that make up.The bulk of our import bill which we have no business importing.
I have not said we should not import food so do not dissemble I said NET we should not be a food imported
NET.

YOU deliberately choose to ignore that and insist on being stupid

Like I said I'd you have nothing sensible to say shut up

You are just clutching at straws
The point is we should be a net food exporter

Like I said you do not come here to learn but to proudly showcase your ignorance and folly

YES WE HAVE THE CLIMATE TO PRODUCE ALL THE WHEAT WE CONSUME

You are like I said comprehensively ignorant and proud of it

So and you think the way not to be a net food importer is to reduce import of food?.

What about increasing export of food?

The first mistake you people make is believing that crap about so much “arable land” in Nigeria, based on that dodgy list of countries posted.

The type of soil we have in Nigeria, and virtually all Africa, simply does not produce abundant yields as much as other continents.

African soil is terrible for agriculture compared to other continents.

It’s the reason we’ve had problems feeding, especially as the African population has risen to 1.3 billion, up from merely 100 million in 1905.

According to wiki,

“ Red soils are typically difficult for crop cultivation because high leaching leads to low water holding capacity, low nutrients, low organic matter (humus), and acidification. Fluctuations in the concentration of iron within red soil are found to have significant implications on its fertility and growth properties.”

One more thing: the real reason mechanised farming rarely works here is that the limited fertility of the soil makes the use of expensive equipment uneconomical.

mrvitalis:

So and you think the way not to be a net food importer is to reduce import of food?.

What about increasing export of food?

Guy please stop quoting me
You cannot pretend to be an intellectual
You are a dunce
First did you know we have the climate to PRODUCE wheat?
Did you know we are one of the largest importers of RBD palm oil

You just go about after overdosing on fufu making stupid and ignorant assertions

The point is simple
We should produce optimally what we can which is

Wheat
Rice
Chicken
Fish
Turkey

I
Cooking oil
Sugar
Tomato paste
Cassava
Animal feeds
If we do that we will be a net exporter
Instead you are talking bullshit about apples and canola

aribisala0:

Guy please stop quoting me
You cannot pretend to be an intellectual
You are a dunce
First did you know we have the climate to PRODUCE wheat?
Did you know we are one of the largest importers of RBD palm oil

You just go about after overdosing on fufu making stupid and ignorant assertions

The point is simple
We should produce optimally what we can which is

Wheat
Rice
Chicken
Fish
Turkey

I
Cooking oil
Sugar
Tomato paste
Cassava
Animal feeds
If we do that we will be a net exporter
Instead you are talking bullshit about apples and canola

You can produce wheat in Nigeria efficiently? Wheat?

By the way what exactly is stopping u from farming this crops since u can farm them cheaper

U obviously have done anything farming ( commercial before)

Rostikol:
The first mistake you people make is believing that crap about so much “arable land” in Nigeria, based on that dodgy list of countries posted.

The type of soil we have in Nigeria, and virtually all Africa, simply does not produce abundant yields as much as other continents.

African soil is terrible for agriculture compared to other continents.

It’s the reason we’ve had problems feeding, especially as the African population has risen to 1.3 billion, up from merely 100 million in 1905.

According to wiki,

“ Red soils are typically difficult for crop cultivation because high leaching leads to low water holding capacity, low nutrients, low organic matter (humus), and acidification. Fluctuations in the concentration of iron within red soil are found to have significant implications on its fertility and growth properties.”

It is irritating when dunces come here to make stupid and ignorant generalisation
Where did you get the deal about red soil? Soil that supports extensive tropical forests is Red soil?
Nigeria is among the largest producers of ginger,cassava,peanuts,cashew nuts, palmoil,yam to name a few. We just don't have the right investment

Until recently Zimbabwe was one of the most efficient food producers in the world when European farmers with knowledge and capital managed farms
Same in South Africa
The issue is one of knowledge,technology and capital not this bullshit about red soil

mrvitalis:
For the 1000th time APC import of a Nation is never a problem, lack of export is the key issue

It's foolish and primitive to want to produce most things you consum

Pick the few you can prosuce well better than most of the world

Focus on it produce them in excess export and use the earnings to import things you can't produce efficiently

Between a man who farms his own food, treat himself, sow his own clothes, repair his own stuffs

And a man who specialized in one thing say making cloths and buys the rest who would be richer?

It's just basic logic and basic macro economics

we have laid a very faulty foundation

Ginik:
we have laid a very faulty foundation

APC are socialists, for them build infrastructure economy would grow

Obi told them in 2019 they didn't listen, told them in 2023 they didn't listen

mrvitalis:

You can produce wheat in Nigeria efficiently? Wheat?

By the way what exactly is stopping u from farming this crops since u can farm them cheaper

U obviously have done anything farming ( commercial before)

When you don't know a thing try to learn do not go about looking stupid and proud.
Do you think the whole of Nigeria has one climate.?
There are areas in the North e.g Mambilla Plateau that are over 1 kilometre above sea level
Go to Gembu and surrounding areas

Guy you are an ignoramus

aribisala0:

When you don't know a thing try to learn do not go about looking stupid and proud.
Do you think the whole of Nigeria has one climate.?
There are areas in the North e.g Mambilla Plateau that are over 1 kilometre above sea level
Go to Gembu and surrounding areas

Guy you are an ignoramus

Lmao bro

So what's stopping you from going to farm wheat there and make millions

mrvitalis:

Lmao bro

So what's stopping you from going to farm wheat there and make millions

You are a dunce
You have nothing sensible to contribute
Just ignorant and conceited opinions

aribisala0:

You are a dunce
You have nothing sensible to contribute
Just ignorant and conceited opinions

Is a very simple question

mrvitalis:

Is a very simple question

a stupid trolling question
Is your father a farmer? If he is ask him that question
There is a wheat farmers association of Nigeria. Ask him to join

aribisala0:
a stupid trolling question
Is your father a farmer? If he is ask him that question
There is a wheat farmers association of Nigeria. Ask him to join

Why do you think indomie, Honeywell, dongote import wheat if they can produce it locally cheaper

mrvitalis:

Why do you think indomie, Honeywell, dongote import wheat if they can produce it locally cheaper

You can ask the same question about petrol and diesel? Why are we importing those?

Like I said you are a dunce

You are an attention seeker with nothing in your head

aribisala0:

You can ask the same question about petrol and diesel? Why are we importing those?

Like I said you are a dunce

You are an attention seeker with nothing in your head

We import petrol because it's cheaper to import, we haven't developed the comparative advantage

But I guess that flies over your head

mrvitalis:

We import petrol because it's cheaper to import, we haven't developed the comparative advantage

But I guess that flies over your head

Cheaper to import?

How much cheaper? By what factor?
Please cite a figure
What is the margin/difference?


So we have working refineries?
we just don't use them because it is cheaper to import?


By your self You will show your brain power to other readers

aribisala0:

Cheaper to import?

How much cheaper? By what factor?
Please cite a figure
What is the margin/difference?


So we have working refineries?
we just don't use them because it is cheaper to import?


By your self You will show your brain power to other readers

your refineries are not efficient reason no big oil player wants them for free even

Obj tried dashing it to Shell they said no... If you know business u know refineries are a complex low profit margin business

It's mathematically impossible to refine fuel here cheaper than we import

We simply do not have the scale to make that happen, our demand is to low for such investment

nairalanda1:



Yes but he criticises goverment inability to make more money, corruption and incompetence.

Yes, he does that in another universe billions of light years away.
But here, je os patently anti=public.
He believes all administrations are the same and can't be blamed for national
economic outcomes.

When politicians borrows or spend lavishly, he is mute but he is quick to defend cuts to citizens directed public spending
because "we can't afford it" or "the government has no choice but to..." .
He believes all economic crisis stems from subsidies. And government policies and plans
has no effect on economic outcomes outside of implementing or cutting subsidies.

He is also amused at the number of people with nests on der cranium...

Yes, there have always been people like that.
For example the pseudo-intellectuals who quoted malthusian theory to rail against intervention(i.e subsidies)
during the Irish famine.

mrvitalis:
your refineries are not efficient reason no big oil player wants them for free even

Obj tried dashing it to Shell they said no... If you know business u know refineries are a complex low profit margin business

It's mathematically impossible to refine fuel here cheaper than we import

We simply do not have the scale to make that happen, our demand is to low for such investment

How much cheaper?
if there is no demand?

aribisala0:


How much cheaper?

So cheaper no importers wants to build

mrvitalis:

So cheaper no importers wants to build

But Dangote built
BUA is building

mrvitalis:
your refineries are not efficient reason no big oil player wants them for free even

Obj tried dashing it to Shell they said no... If you know business u know refineries are a complex low profit margin business

It's mathematically impossible to refine fuel here cheaper than we import

We simply do not have the scale to make that happen, our demand is to low for such investment

You talk very stupidly
Our demand is so low for such an investment
But others invest in refining capacity to export

To us?
Assuming your stupid claim.about demand is true(it is not) we do not have to consume to justify refinery. We can export to West Africa and the world

So why did Dangote build refinery

aribisala0:


You talk very stupidly
Our demand is so low for such an investment
But others invest in refining capacity to export

To us?
Assuming your stupid claim.about demand is true(it is not) we do not have to consume to justify refinery. We can export to West Africa and the world

So why did Dangote build refinery

Lol your cost of crude oil production is among the highest in the world.. That's alone is at disadvantaged

There are already established players who have better advantage than you, have bigger capital you can't compete

Focus on something u can compete

Read theory of comparative advantage

aribisala0:

But Dangote built
BUA is building

Lmao u mean loan scams ?

It's impossible for dangote to sale petrol below #1000 and breakeven it's mathematically impossible

mrvitalis:

Lmao u mean loan scams ?

It's impossible for dangote to sale petrol below #1000 and breakeven it's mathematically impossible

So what what has selling at 1000 Naira got to do with anything?

Where does that figure come from

You said it is cheaper to import
So that is the argument. You need to advance

How is it cheaper to import

The government must involve the youth in agriculture.

And they must incentivize agriculture for youths to be attracted to it!

Give free land, provide tractors for rent or support financing option for them to acquire one, guarantee sales of their produce and watch how youths will flock the farming sector and crash the price of food.

This worked everywhere in the world! You must support agriculture and incentivize it! This is not rocket science. We will become a major exporter of produce in no time.

Cost of living in high in many western countries, but they incentivize agriculture, food is always dirty cheap. Also, no tax on any food stuff.

mrvitalis:

Lol your cost of crude oil production is among the highest in the world.. That's alone is at disadvantaged

There are already established players who have better advantage than you, have bigger capital you can't compete

Focus on something u can compete

Read theory of comparative advantage

Our cost of Crude oil production is irrelevant to refinery business
Among the biggest refineries in the world are in India Singapore and Korea
None are known as oil producers

You are probably the most ignorant dolt on Nairaland and yet you do not hesitate to broadcast your unintelligent and opinionated drivel
Totally clueless with an unrestrained compulsion to talk and yet
You never say anything sensible not even by mistake