ILoveNG:


Good one
you can't stupeedly claim victory of an election from a 3rd position and not go home with a fine, heavy one.

See them

Oga tinibu did not get upto 20 votes in any poling unit in anambra state.

1. The compulsory fresh registration every 10 years is unnecessary. It might make INEC to relax in their continuous registration exercise and wait for the compulsory fresh registration every 10 years. We don't need a fresh registration to clean up the voters register. Instead, a system can be introduced to automatically remove any voter who has not been accredited to vote in three election circles from the voters register.

2. Holding all the elections same day makes more sense. We need to reduce the costs of our elections.

3. Electronic transmission of results is not the problem. In the massively fraudulent elections in Kogi and Imo states, all the results were transmitted electronically. But those elections were far worse than the last general elections. The important thing is how those results were generated and not whether they were transmitted electronically or not. The accreditation figures from the BIVAS is the most important thing and we should pay more attention to it rather than this fixation on the iREV. The total votes cast in any polling center should not be higher than the accreditation figure from the BIVAS. If this guideline was followed, most of the fraud we witnessed in Kogi and Imo states would have been curtailed.

4. The passing of a bill to ask courts to impose heavy fines on frivolous petitions is very laughable. The courts are already empowered to impose fines as they deem fit and they do not need a new law to ask them to do their jobs. What is even the definition of "heavy" fine. No amount was proposed so at the end it will still be at the discretion of the judges. This bill is a mere waste of legislative time.

On the whole, I support only the proposed conduct of all elections same day. The rest should be trashed.

Waste of time
Nothing will change Nigerian politicians knows how to cheat the system because it’s too weak and the judiciary 👩‍⚖️ has always been the highest bidder.
Even INEC will still do what they have to do as the system is lawless .

socialmediaman:
No 3 still doesn’t state that the electronic transmission must happen at the polling unit.

Without that caveat, a presiding officer can still conduct the election and decide that he doesn’t want to transmit the result at the polling unit, he can do it at his office as long as he does it electronically

It does. The Presiding Officer, which also translates to from the Polling Unit.

fergie001:
I support amendments 1, 2 & 3.

No 4 is inconsistent with the powers of the Courts, it is only they that should decide whether or whether not a fine should be attached or whether a suit is frivolous or not.

1 and 2 make sense. I agree with you about 4.

As for no 3. We again will encounter the problem with English which was the problem in the 2023 elections. Transmission of results for viewing and monitoring is not the same thing as validly collated results. Let us not create problems because we do not understand English properly. Let us not create expectations we are incapable of delivering. IREV is a viewing portal not a certified collated results platform.

Even the US, with all their technology does not transfer all results on the days of elections. What they do is they estimate the winner based on results coming and and the likely hood of the challengers to overcome the leader, in reality the final results are often not known for days! Remember what happened in Florida with George Bush?

Let us not give electronic transmission capacity and powers it does not have and create new problems in a knee jerk response to our failure to understand the purpose of irev.


Irev does not collate results, neither was it meant to be. The purpose of electronic transmission is so citizens can see the results of their PU. It is not a collation center and should not be. If we make electronic transmission a collation center, we make it vulnerable to hackers.

Sometimes we just like to amend laws for amendment sake. The electoral law is probably one of the best in the world. The problem is Nigerians and there is nothing or no law that can save Nigerians from Nigerians. Nigerians will always reject results that don’t go their way and blame the umpire.

APC IS AMMENDING ELECTORAL LAWS!

WHERE IS HELLU P LAW MAKERS?

Forget about this goddamn electoral act bills that brings to change and focus on restructuring the f***ing country.

fergie001:



Your thoughts?

please add no identification no regeneration no vote to avoid foreigners and illegal immigrants from Niger republic to vote

My recommendations!

1. INEC should have a website that calculates the result of elections in real time. In other words, once data has been inputted onto it, it automatically calculates the figure to determine the winner. Results will be displayed in real time and people can view the website anywhere in the world. The iRev is totally useless! We don't need any returning office to travel down to Abuja and announce the result.

2. INEC must upload results of elections onto that website in real time. This way, there won't be room for manipulations. Data uploaded on the website should be image (snapped result sheets) and figures which must correspond with each other.

3. Those who commit electoral frauds are sentenced to a minimum of 10 years imprisonment with hard labour. This rule affects everyone, including corps members, voters and full-time INEC officials.

4. Police men and other security operatives should bear arms during elections to scare people who foment troubles. Security operatives can shoot on sight those caught stealing ballot boxes.


5. An independent auditing firm such as Deloitte or PwC should work with INEC. Be stationed at collation centres where they independently receive data from source and independently calculate it to be sure that it tallies with the result announced by INEC.

6. Any INEC official who registers an underaged voter must be arrested and prosecuted with a 10 years imprisonment handed down on them. The child's parents will be given an option of paying 100k fine or 3 years imprisonment.

7. No politican can decamp to another party two years to a fresh election, irrespective of the infighting in the party.

8. No politician can buy the nomination forms for two positions. If this is discovered when he has won an election, he's disqualified and the runner-up during the party's primary election takes over the position.

9. No politician can step down for another politician who was not originally in the race.

10. Parties win elections, not candidates. Therefore, if a candidate is disqualified after winning an election, the candidate loses the position, not his/her party. In that case, the runner-up during the primary takes the position. However, where a party is disqualified, the runner-up in the main election takes over. Where the winner of an election decides to step aside to take another role, a fresh election will be conducted for that position.

Running a country is no rocket science. We just have a bunch of people who don't care about this country sitting on sensitive positions.

fergie001

Cc BluntCrazeMan

fergie001:

There is going to be a public hearing where some of these amendments can be discussed including others not captured for now.

It's a first step and very commendable, especially as it is coming less than one year into the 10th Assembly.

How many public hearings have you ever participated in?

Upon all the noise made during the last general elections, I still didn't see the iREV and the BVAS mentioned here.

By the way, when you speak of transferring votes electronically, you should spell out the destination of such a transmission.

Nigerian lawyers are too cunning.
Technicality naim full their head.

DIVINEEVIDENCE:


How many public hearings have you ever participated in?

That is because I can route my observations via CSOs, you can do same too.

This was said by one person that may have been compromised

Paraman:
Transmitting the votes electronically does not mean there will be 100% transparency. During the 2023 presidential election, even though Tinubu and Atiku won some polling units in Anambra state, the results were changed by INEC staff in favor of peter obi.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/tribunal-how-peter-obi-rigged-out-atiku-in-anambra-witness/%3famp

fergie001:



Your thoughts?

That third and fourth proposals are still very vague and liable to misinterpretation, misrepresentation, and wrong implementation.

Sheey na INEC.??

They need everything to be clearly written and broken down in the Electoral-Act.
They should stop trusting the INEC to know what is needful and do the needful.

fergie001:



Your thoughts?

If you read this book here (link below),, it contains a lot of what the Act is supposed to Amend.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GAp0cegDplx-E9FgXRXcI5uDX6tgW-cw


After reading through the book,, you will understand that this Honourable just wrote Nonsense and brought to the house.

fergie001:



Your thoughts?

Almost everything here is rubbish.
How long are we going to continue to amend this act?
The first thing we ought to do is a forensic review of the last election and the loopholes of the court judgment before any amendments should be considered, that said these are my recommendations.

1. Continous voters register must be maintained and more stringent using NIN, this will eliminate double registration, INEC should review their registers every 5 years to remove diseased people.

2. Harmonise off-cycle elections, and make legislature elections come first. Both state and national assembly elections should be held same day, while executives both president and governorship be held on the same day.

3. Make electronic transmission and collation of results mandatory and failure to do that at the polling unit makes the results null and void also the INEC staff is subject to at least 20 years in prison without an option of fine. The problem we have in our election isn't transmission but the collation of results, most collation of results at the ward and LGA level is where the whole corruption happens, so eliminate manual collation of results at ward and LGA levels and allow only live collation at state levels.

4. There should be no preelection matter litigations after elections, all preelection issues must be resolved before the conduct of the election and the only thing to be litigated after an election should be about the results of the election not about anything relating to preelection or candidacy as all these must be concluded before the election.


However, the best way forward for Nigeria is a new constitution.

It's clear to everyone that the presidential system of government is not working and its too expensive for us, a parliamentary system is best suited for a heterogenous group like us, so I propose strongly and end to this system and immediately adopt a presidential-parliamentary system where the president will be none partisan and elected as an independent candidate and holds ceremonial powers as the symbol of national unity and has the responsibility to dissolve the parliament in event of massive suffering like we are witnessing now.

Gr8amechi:

Almost everything here is rubbish.
How long are we going to continue to amend this act?
The first thing we ought to do is a forensic review of the last election and the loopholes of the court judgment before any amendments should be considered, that said these are my recommendations.

1. Continous voters register must be maintained and more stringent using NIN, this will eliminate double registration, INEC should review their registers every 5 years to remove diseased people.

2. Harmonise off-cycle elections, and make legislature elections come first. Both state and national assembly elections should be held same day, while executives both president and governorship be held on the same day.

3. Make electronic transmission and collation of results mandatory and failure to do that at the polling unit makes the results null and void also the INEC staff is subject to at least 20 years in prison without an option of fine. The problem we have in our election isn't transmission but the collation of results, most collation of results at the ward and LGA level is where the whole corruption happens, so eliminate manual collation of results at ward and LGA levels and allow only live collation at state levels.

4. There should be no preelection matter litigations after elections, all preelection issues must be resolved before the conduct of the election and the only thing to be litigated after an election should be about the results of the election not about anything relating to preelection or candidacy as all these must be concluded before the election.


However, the best way forward for Nigeria is a new constitution.

It's clear to everyone that the presidential system of government is not working and its too expensive for us, a parliamentary system is best suited for a heterogenous group like us, so I propose strongly and end to this system and immediately adopt a presidential-parliamentary system where the president will be none partisan and elected as an independent candidate and holds ceremonial powers as the symbol of national unity and has the responsibility to dissolve the parliament in event of massive suffering like we are witnessing now.

Your points are very good.

No political party had upto 9 million in 2023 elections so are you saying they should all be deregistered?

Elections holding same day is best. All man work for himself and no bandwagon effect because voting end same time

Like you said fresh voters register every
10yrs is unnecessary esp as with biometrics, you cant vote twice if the system is synchronized

ivolt:
1. Proposal one is a waste of money for government and waste of time for citizens unless we can do online for those who already registered.
It will simply discourage existing voters.

2. This will only increase electoral violence as no candidates are under spotlight. Off-cycle elections are less violence-prone on average to full elections. It will also increase the bandwagon effect that the lawmaker is trying to fight. Incompetent candidates will simply get elected because another popular candidate is on the ballot for a different position.
A better proposal is to hold the governorship elections first, then presidential to follow. In that way, the bandwagon effects will be removed.

3. This one makes sense but it achieves nothing if it doesn't recognise online collation. So after transmission, then what?

4. Make sense.

My proposal 5. It is time to prune our political parties by deregistering parties with less than 10M members in national elections and 5% of states population in local ones. Or political parties should pay substantial application fees to be featured on ballots to prevent wastage from printing of mushroom party logos.

So Hope Uzodinma should have gone home and rest?

ILoveNG:


Good one
you can't stupeedly claim victory of an election from a 3rd position and not go home with a fine, heavy one.

Why?

slivertongue:
2 and 3 won't see the light of the day

SoNature:
My recommendations!
1. INEC should have a website that calculates the result of elections in real time. In other words, once data has been inputted onto it, it automatically calculates the figure to determine the winner. Results will be displayed in real time and people can view the website anywhere in the world. The iRev is totally useless! We don't need any returning office to travel down to Abuja and announce the result.

2. INEC must upload results of elections onto that website in real time. This way, there won't be room for manipulations. Data uploaded on the website should be image (snapped result sheets) and figures which must correspond with each other.

3. Those who commit electoral frauds are sentenced to a minimum of 10 years imprisonment with hard labour. This rule affects everyone, including corps members, voters and full-time INEC officials. Security operatives can shoot on sight those caught stealing ballot boxes.

4. Police men and other security operatives should bear arms during elections to scare people who foment troubles.

5. An independent auditing firm such as Deloitte or PwC should work with INEC. Be stationed at collation centres where they independently receive data from source and independently calculate it to be sure that it tallies with the result announced by INEC.

6. Any INEC official who registers an underaged voter must be arrested and prosecuted with a 10 years imprisonment handed down on them. The child's parents will be given an option of paying 100k fine or 3 years imprisonment.

7. No political can decamp to another party two years to a fresh election, irrespective of the infighting in the party.

8. No politician can buy the nomination forms for two positions.

9. No politician can step down for another politician who was not originally in the race. .

Running a country is no rocket science. We just have a bunch of people who don't care about this country sitting on sensitive positions.

fergi.e001 why is it that these so-called leaders think they are the smartest among us? Why not ask for our imputes before amending electoral acts?

See the lawmaker only brought up his own suggestions, it will go through workshops and public hearings by a joint committee of the NASS which will be headed by the Deputy Senate President.

All lawmakers will be sent to their respective Constituencies to also ask for some inputs, surprisingly some of them even source from SM, before that is done.

CSOs will also ask for inputs ... Some of them like PLAC, EiE, and the rest. So the Committee has not been formally constituted because I don't think it has gone through second reading in the Senate, once that Committee is ready, they will advertise it openly and inputs will be sought but like politicians that they are, they will always find a way to win elections nonetheless.


For your submissions
1 & 2 add some extra layer of credibility, that's good.
We have aways failed in 3, because the politicians find a way of setting them free.

4, Buhari tried it in 2023, however, my concern is what we do to Security personnel that aid this malpractice, what happens to them?
They should be named and join number 3.

5 We've always had observer missions, etc that always say how bad our elections are conducted, at the end, it's their word against INEC's, my concern is what they do with the findings and who gets prosecuted. See the man in Adamawa, they told us he is in Chad or Niger or so, showing culpability of INEC and/or security Agencies who left him off the hook.

6. This one will be hard, except the NIMC will help.

7 & 9 won't be passed by the politicians at the NASS, you can bet on that.

Only the courts can help us on no 8.

Your submissions are very commendable, once they start.... You can route them through one of these CSOs.

Read it again, it said electronic transmission of results and accreditation data.

sirpharrell:
1. The compulsory fresh registration every 10 years is unnecessary. It might make INEC to relax in their continuous registration exercise and wait for the compulsory fresh registration every 10 years. We don't need a fresh registration to clean up the voters register. Instead, a system can be introduced to automatically remove any voter who has not been accredited to vote in three election circles from the voters register.

2. Holding all the elections same day makes more sense. We need to reduce the costs of our elections.

3. Electronic transmission of results is not the problem. In the massively fraudulent elections in Kogi and Imo states, all the results were transmitted electronically. But those elections were far worse than the last general elections. The important thing is how those results were generated and not whether they were transmitted electronically or not. The accreditation figures from the BIVAS is the most important thing and we should pay more attention to it rather than this fixation on the iREV. The total votes cast in any polling center should not be higher than the accreditation figure from the BIVAS. If this guideline was followed, most of the fraud we witnessed in Kogi and Imo states would have been curtailed.

4. The passing of a bill to ask courts to impose heavy fines on frivolous petitions is very laughable. The courts are already empowered to impose fines as they deem fit and they do not need a new law to ask them to do their jobs. What is even the definition of "heavy" fine. No amount was proposed so at the end it will still be at the discretion of the judges. This bill is a mere waste of legislative time.

On the whole, I support only the proposed conduct of all elections same day. The rest should be trashed.

Citizens of the western countries never give up until the right things are done but blacks are too weak and lack tenacity

Smartguyboy:
Waste of time
Nothing will change Nigerian politicians knows how to cheat the system because it’s too weak and the judiciary 👩‍⚖️ has always been the highest bidder.
Even INEC will still do what they have to do as the system is lawless .

What are you even saying? It seems you want a situation where your unpopular candidates can win

casualobserver:


1 and 2 make sense. I agree with you about 4.

As for no 3. We again will encounter the problem with English which was the problem in the 2023 elections. Transmission of results for viewing and monitoring is not the same thing as validly collated results. Let us not create problems because we do not understand English properly. Let us not create expectations we are incapable of delivering. IREV is a viewing portal not a certified collated results platform.

Even the US, with all their technology does not transfer all results on the days of elections. What they do is they estimate the winner based on results coming and and the likely hood of the challengers to overcome the leader, in reality the final results are often not known for days! Remember what happened in Florida with George Bush?

Let us not give electronic transmission capacity and powers it does not have and create new problems in a knee jerk response to our failure to understand the purpose of irev.


Irev does not collate results, neither was it meant to be. The purpose of electronic transmission is so citizens can see the results of their PU. It is not a collation center and should not be. If we make electronic transmission a collation center, we make it vulnerable to hackers.

Sometimes we just like to amend laws for amendment sake. The electoral law is probably one of the best in the world. The problem is Nigerians and there is nothing or no law that can save Nigerians from Nigerians. Nigerians will always reject results that don’t go their way and blame the umpire.

ValarDoharis:
Read it again, it said electronic transmission of results and accreditation data.

making it compulsory to transmit the result and accreditation figure electronically does not solve any problems. In the last off season governorship elections, the results and accreditation figures were all transmitted electronically and posted on the iREV yet those elections were worse than the last general elections. In the last general elections, INEC ensured that there was no polling unit where the total votes exceeded the accreditation figure and this is the way to go. It was not a flawless election but it was the best that INEC ever conducted.

Paraman:
Transmitting the votes electronically does not mean there will be 100% transparency. During the 2023 presidential election, even though obi won some polling units in Lagos and rivers state, the results were changed by INEC staff in favor of thieffnubu the pathetic idiot

fixed it for u ronu urchin

Where did the accreditation data come from? It needs to be transmitted directly from BVAS. How can you forge that?

sirpharrell:


making it compulsory to transmit the result and accreditation figure electronically does not solve any problems. In the last off season governorship elections, the results and accreditation figures were all transmitted electronically and posted on the iREV yet those elections were worse than the last general elections. In the last general elections, INEC ensured that there was no polling unit where the total votes exceeded the accreditation figure and this is the way to go. It was not a flawless election but it was the best that INEC ever conducted.

ValarDoharis:
Where did the accreditation data come from? It needs to be transmitted directly from BVAS. How can you forge that?

Go and look at the results of the last governorship elections in Kogi and Imo states. The accreditation data and results are still there on the iREV. You will notice the massive electoral fraud in those two states. The results do not match the accreditation figures in many of the polling units. They were all transmitted electronically. So the electronic transmission did not stop the massive rigging that took place in those two states. But it was not so in the last general elections that people were discrediting.

Paraman:
Transmitting the votes electronically does not mean there will be 100% transparency. During the 2023 presidential election, even though Tinubu and Atiku won some polling units in Anambra state, the results were changed by INEC staff in favor of peter obi.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/tribunal-how-peter-obi-rigged-out-atiku-in-anambra-witness/%3famp

With people like you, the proposed amendment is exercise in futility.

It stopped it by making it visible. The docile citizens did nothing!

Do you think American citizens or British citizens will see such a thing and do nothing?

sirpharrell:


Go and look at the results of the last governorship elections in Kogi and Imo states. The accreditation data and results are still there on the iREV. You will notice the massive electoral fraud in those two states. The results do not match the accreditation figures in many of the polling units. They were all transmitted electronically. So the electronic transmission did not stop the massive rigging that took place in those two states. But it was not so in the last general elections that people were discrediting.