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Issues Raised During Evangelism by God2man2again(m): 2:36am On Apr 06
Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?

Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.

Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.

Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.

Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.

Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.

Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?

Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.

Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.

Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?

Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?

Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.




If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by Steep: 6:54am On Apr 06
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God2man2again:
Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?
I wouldn't say no reason but a man of God should be modest not greedily pursuing material things or lusting after filthy lucre and flaunting wealth but must be rich in good works.

Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.
Yes the scripture was written by people through the inspiration of the holy Spirit, the hand of God guided the whole process of both the writing and the compilation.

Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.
Though church building is not the church itself but it is a place where Christians gather to worship God. So church building is necessary for convenience and shelter congregants.

Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.
Being religious have nothing to do with economic growth, anybody that understand the principles of how things works and applies them would succeed regardless of whether they religious or not.

Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.
No men of God are not the cause but some of them might be contributors to it. Alot of people pray ignorantly outside God's will and hence they don't get result, yes right prayer to the true God works but knowing and doing the will of God is Supreme and helps to pray right. One of God's principle is you reap what you sow if we sow corruption we reap corruption

Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.
Exploiting poor members is sinful, one of the mandate of the church is to take care of the poor and needy in the church, any church that is capable but fails in this regard must be avoided however, running higher universities are expensive.


Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?
Tithe and offering is for the smooth running of the church to take care of church workers and to help those in need.

Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.
It is not the duty of the church to build factory or create job that is not to say the church may not do it but it is the responsibility of the government. Having street full of church has nothing to do with lack of factory or jobs, in fact the existence of churches helps to curb alot of societal ills.

Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.
This is just like saying because there are fake doctors therefore all doctors are fake.

Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?
how can one have a product without a producer, there is no creation without a creator. The existence of evil actually prove there is God, how do we judge something as evil if there is no standard of goo and evil, if there is a standard for determining what is evil and what is bad who set that standard? There cannot be law without a lawgiver.

Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?
That God protect us does not mean we should open ourselves to danger. Some preachers decieve their members promising them security onces they buy special clothing or hand band or material this is a wicked lie. Protection lies in our obeying the commandment of God which also told us not to tempt God.

Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.
empty prayer in sin cannot solve our problems but obeying God will.




If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.
You are welcome, hope this helps.

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Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by TenQ: 7:05am On Apr 06
God2man2again:

Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?
If the Jet was from church members donation, its a NO, otherwise, the MOG is an ordinary human being!
Are MOG human beings and do humans love to live in wealth if they can?

God2man2again:

Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.
God did not write nore dictate ANY book in the Bible.
God moved some people to document and chronicle events happening to Gods people when they obeyed or disobeyed God as a means of teaching the current readers.

Which scripture in existence is written by God and can be tested as from God?
God2man2again:

Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.
The purpose of the church is not for this world but for the afterlife

If the church does that and factories boom: would the factories end up building churches in future?

God2man2again:

Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.
It is scripture that People reap whatever they have sown.
What have we sown as a Nation that would necessarily make us better?


God2man2again:

Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.
MOG are not the problem but part of the problem. Even if there exist not one single MOG in Nigeria, our problems will not change

Are the MOG the ones who borrow huge funds for Nigeria and embezzle it?
God2man2again:

Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.
Universities are expensive to run.
If you have a Boeing 747, will you carry Nigerians from Lagos to Abuja at N10,000 per trip as a show of love or will you charge slightly below the market price?


God2man2again:

Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?
Several things scriptural and unscriptural. Tithes and offerings is supposed to be used to take care of the church manpower, infrastructure and members welfare.

Where do you suggest the church get money for paying off their electricity bills?

God2man2again:

Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.
It is the responsibility of Government and Citizens to build factories and not churches: they serve different purposes.

Why dont banks set up factories?

God2man2again:

Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.
False.
Are ALL Nigerians 419?


God2man2again:

Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?
God gave the world to humans to build.
The Earth is an exam field.

What do you think will happen to suffereing if ALL humans love their neigbours as themselves?

God2man2again:

Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?
I agree, MOG shouldnt move with escorts, however:
Not all "MOG" are truly MOG.
MOG are human beings!

God2man2again:

Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.
Prayers is NOT for exclusively for solving problems. Prayers include Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving and Supplication
God promised to bless the works of your hands and not otherwise

God2man2again:

If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.
5.
These are all None-issues and a distraction to Evangelism.

The purpose of Evangelism is to explain that
1. ALL Humans have the problem of SIN as inborn contamination
2. Our nature of SIN make us useless to God and thus a candidate for Gods refuse dump (Hell)
3. Gods LOVE made Him create a SOLUTION
4. Jesus was the Sacrificial LAMB of God to take our PUNISHMENT for those who Believe AND choose to live under His Rule of Purity, Love and Service to God
5. ANYONE who Believes in Gods SOLUTION and ACTS on them is given the SEAL of Ownership of God
6. Anyone who have received the SEAL of God is the one called Born Again.
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:31am On Apr 06
True Christianity has no such issues we preach and teach members to work with their hands in view of what Jesus told us about Paradise {Ephesians 4:28} all members of the Christian faith must work {2Thessalonians 3:10} nobody should sit back without doing any physical work claiming he is a man of God! Act 18:3

That's why God's organization discourages the university degrees that renders active people unproductive as they want continue to aim high expectating others to do the work while they eat the fatty goodies (fruitage) claiming they have varsity degrees {Isaiah 65:21} such is the reason why most youths don't want to work again.

Christianity is teaching us how to live in the new world where no one will work for another but Satan's world is promoting greed and selfishness that's what has affected all false religions except God's organization where money is not the reason why someone is chosen to serve! Luke 18:18-23 compare to Act 8:20
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by Veecruz: 7:43am On Apr 06
Are these so called issues not separate threads spanning pages on their own with their contribitions?

You are just looking trouble (evil)
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by David0002: 7:44am On Apr 06
Steep:
[b][/b] I wouldn't say no reason but a man of God should be modest not greedily pursuing material things or lusting after filthy lucre and flaunting wealth but must be rich in good works.

Yes the scripture was written by people through the inspiration of the holy Spirit, the hand of God guided the whole process of both the writing and the compilation.

Though church building is not the church itself but it is a place where Christians gather to worship God. So church building is necessary for convenience and shelter congregants.

Being religious have nothing to do with economic growth, anybody that understand the principles of how things works and applies them would succeed regardless of whether they religious or not.

No men of God are not the cause but some of them might be contributors to it. Alot of people pray ignorantly outside God's will and hence they don't get result, yes right prayer to the true God works but knowing and doing the will of God is Supreme and helps to pray right. One of God's principle is you reap what you sow if we sow corruption we reap corruption

Exploiting poor members is sinful, one of the mandate of the church is to take care of the poor and needy in the church, any church that is capable but fails in this regard must be avoided however, running higher universities are expensive.


Tithe and offering is for the smooth running of the church to take care of church workers and to help those in need.

It is not the duty of the church to build factory or create job that is not to say the church may not do it but it is the responsibility of the government. Having street full of church has nothing to do with lack of factory or jobs, in fact the existence of churches helps to curb alot of societal ills.

This is just like saying because there are fake doctors therefore all doctors are fake.

how can one have a product without a producer, there is no creation without a creator. The existence of evil actually prove there is God, how do we judge something as evil if there is no standard of goo and evil, if there is a standard for determining what is evil and what is bad who set that standard? There cannot be law without a lawgiver.

That God protect us does not mean we should open ourselves to danger. Some preachers decieve their members promising them security onces they buy special clothing or hand band or material this is a wicked lie. Protection lies in our obeying the commandment of God which also told us not to tempt God.

empty prayer in sin cannot solve our problems but obeying God will.




You are welcome, hope this helps.

Thanks for your contribution. This helps a lot

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Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by God2man2again(m): 11:46am On Apr 06
Some contributions are top notch while others are not really addressing the issue as it ought to be.

Anyway, I thank everyone for their contributions.
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by God2man2again(m): 12:11pm On Apr 06
I got this information from Google
How I handled encounter with EFCC ove
Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye, General Overseer (a.k.a. Daddy G.O.) of The Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), in Nigeria, has related his experience during his encounter with the officials of the country’s Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) sequel to his acquisition of a $65 million G550 luxury jet some years ago.

The revered Christian preacher confirmed the officials of the anti-graft regulatory agency came after him when he bought a private jet.

Adeboye relived the experience with the EFCC during a sermon at the Redemption City Friday through morning Saturday, January 7, 2023, at the Holy Ghost Service of the Church, tagged: “Wonderful”.

According to Adeboye, he returned to God for a solution when the agency’s operatives came to probe him over the ownership of a private jet, report said.

How provision of jet came about

Adeboye said at the time when the provision came for him to own a jet, there was much noise around this, and people were criticising him from all areas.

He recalled: “They sent EFCC to come and probe me.

“Where did he get the money to buy a jet?, etc. The noise was much.”

The renowned RCCG pastor said: “Then, one day, I was flying because I didn’t buy a jet for pleasure.

“The work (ministry) has expanded to the level that there is no way I can do it by commercial travelling.”

Sharing his travel experience and how a private jet became a necessity to his ministry, Pastor Adeboye said: “If you want to travel by commercial, you have to wait for their timetable.

“If I have to wait for their timetable, I won’t be able to do what God wants me to do.

“I mean to give you an example: I finished in our European Convention in Spain one night, 33 nations gathered together; as soon as I dismissed the programme around 12 midnight, I headed straight for the Airport to travel over to Hong Kong.”

He further recalled: “I arrived in Hong Kong the following day, did what I needed to do, and then moved on to Singapore.

“I arrived in Singapore, did what I needed to do and then headed for Australia.

“I got to Australia, did what I needed to do, I headed for Papua New Guinea.

“I needed to touch all those places, minister to them, dedicate the churches, ordain pastors and be back before the next Holy Ghost Service.”

Adeboye admitted that “there’s no way I can do that by commercial plane. That’s what led to the jet. The noise was great, and I was becoming a bit disturbed.”

What I did when EFCC operatives came

Speaking on what he did during the encounter with EFCC officials, the General Overseer said he asked God, saying: “Father, what do I do now?”

He stated that God answered him, as He told him, “Don’t answer them; I have you surrounded.”

Expatiating further on the issue, he stated: “One day, I was flying; it was during the day, far above the cloud. I just felt the Holy Spirit saying, ‘Look out of the window.’

“I looked out of the window and said, Lord, I can’t see anything. He said, ‘look down at the cloud and I saw a rainbow.’

“Now, normally a rainbow is an arc but this rainbow that I saw was a complete circle, and it was extremely big.”

Adeboye as well said: “I looked down into the centre of the rainbow, and I saw the shape of a plane.

“It looks as if the rainbow was moving, always keeping the plane in the middle.

“The Lord said to me, ‘Son, the shadow you see is the shadow of this your plane. I have you surrounded.’ ”

History of Adeboye’s $65 million luxury jet

It is recalled reports had said Pastor Adeboye took delivery of a $65million brand new Gulfstream jet 2015.

The sources familiar with his purchase of the new private aircraft disclosed that the arrival the luxury aircraft in Nigeria coincided with the pastor’s floating of a luxury jet company, ‘Emmanuel Aviation’.

Although the aviation company reportedly existed since 2009, it had just unveiled a Web site to announce its swanky fleet and aviation services, Sahara Reporters said.

Pastor Adeboye’s Gulfstream G550 luxury jet was manufactured 2013, in Savannah, Georgia State in the United States (US), but the G.O. took delivery of his private jet May 2015.

However, following the arrival of the US-registered jet in the West African country, N730EA Gulfstream G550, Pastor Adeboye reportedly jettisoned an older Gulfstream GIV with tail number N707EA that used to ferry him around the world on his preaching missions.

The leader of the Redeemed Christian Church of God “personally owns” Emmanuel Aviation, for which the two jets are registered both in the US and Nigeria, report said.

An aviation expert was quoted to have explained that some Nigerian jet owners, like Pastor Adeboye, prefer registration of their jets in the US because such registration grants them generous landing rights worldwide.
Re: Issues Raised During Evangelism by God2man2again(m): 12:13pm On Apr 06
I hope the above post helps to debunk the reason why men of God bought private jet.

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