babasolution:


I understand, my point is,this development we talking about it was also whites that provided the template.

Before colonialism, many tribes were destroying each other.
Eg the Nupe were in constant invasions against my town,we were embroiled in devastating wars,the whites actually put a stop to it,we must be humble enough to acknowledge this fact.

The whites also brought the Western style education, Medicare, technology, that greatly improved living, again we must acknowledge this.

The whites even made a lot of communities and tribes rich through trade.infact many communities willingly signed of their sovereignty eg the efik in Calabar.

Truly,it is a fact that they looted and did not develop much.

But indeed development was gradual,
After all after 60years of independence, there's still massive underdevelopment in Nigeria,

There's still alot to be done,the indigenous rulers have also developed the country slowly and gradually.

Africans should learn to be factual, and be humble enough to acknowledge that the Whites did alot of good too.

You have been miseducated.

If you had “devastating wars” in your town or village before the British invaded, it doesn’t apply to everywhere or most places in Nigeria.

Most places were PEACEFUL, and communities had long standing conflict resolution mechanisms to prevent anarchy.

Plus if warfare is a reason to colonise other societies, Europeans should have been the prime candidates for colonisation, even as recently as the last century, where they slaughtered over 100 million of themselves in the two white tribal wars they deceptively called “world wars”.

And the British destroyed and burned down our cities and towns, such as Great Benin City, which was described as being among the best planned and most beautiful cities on Earth in the 1600s, complete with palm oil-fuelled streetlights, underground drainage, and multi-storey buildings and public monuments.

A city where the Portuguese visitors reported that people did not build front doors to their houses because theft was unheard of!

Can you say that about anywhere in Nigeria today, with your British-influenced country?

Do you dare to build a house without a gate and barbed wired high fence, and windows with iron bars?

The Benin empire exchanged ambassadors with Portugal in the 1500s, traded with numerous countries in Europe and beyond, so this idea that we needed England in order to have a ‘development template’ is FALSE.

Reflect7:


Why is it so hard for you people to understand what COLONIALISM means?

A colonialist power is in your country to BENEFIT HIS COUNTRY, not yours.

He is there to LOOT your resources for the express purpose of ENRICHING his country.

He is not there to build your country.

Quite the opposite.

If the British were not looters and thieves, Nigeria would have been a developed country like South Africa by the 1940s at least.

The only reason South Africa is developed today is that the white colonisers regarded it as THEIR country, and so instead of siphoning 95% of annual export earnings from the natural resources like gold, diamonds etc, as happened in other colonies, they reinvested the export earnings in the country and built its infrastructure, industries, etc.

In Nigeria and elsewhere, the opposite was the case, which was why at independence, Nigeria was a big, fat BUSH that still requires basic infrastructure built even 60 years after they left.

Because they did nothing but loot.

And to imagine that that was gonna change if they had stayed longer, just shows deep naivety on your part.

What 99% of you don’t know is that we had our technology and trade networks before the European invasion.

The area known as Nigeria today was a major centre of soap, textile, and glass manufacturing, and Portugal had to ban the importation of Nigerian-manufactured soap in the 1850s in order to protect their fledgling soap manufacturing industry.

An Englishman commented in the 1860s that textiles mass produced in western Nigeria were of a higher quality than what Manchester, then the centre of the English textile industry, had to offer.

Intra-African trade was at a very high level, and Igbos traded with the Ashantis and Congolese, while Yorubas traded with lands as far as Mali and Nubia.

The colonialists DISRUPTED this intra-African commerce and turned their colonies into cash crop producers for export to Europe.

That was what destroyed the African economy and led to mass poverty among a people who were very prosperous prior to colonial invasion.

Today, the intra African free trade agenda of the AU, ECOWAS etc is all about rebuilding those destroyed networks and end African poverty, and it is succeeding, and will lead to African prosperity.

Asking to be ‘recolonised’ by Europeans is a function of an ignorant, brainwashed condition, and is truly pitiful.

Nobody is asking for recolonisation, I know AFRICA had internal trade networks,and production and technology.

Everything shouldn't be blamed on the whites
The whites also helped facilitate even internal African trade with their ships.

it wasn't all rosy with Africans
Africans encouraged SLAVERY and
there were also devastating wars that destroyed African economies.

Unlike the whites they didn't have ship building technology and gun technology to invade far off lands to recoup their economy.

Infact on thing that enabled colonialisation was many African tribes eagerness to trade with the whites and acquire European products.

When you talk about years the whites stay as colonialist,you must understand that the didn't have the whole area under their grip at once,they spent several years pacifying different areas and quelling rebellion, before trying to build a political structure and development template,there needed to be a learning curve which took half of the time they acted as rulers.

South Africa was different because they settled in south Africa for several centuries unlike other areas especially West Africa.

In south Africa they were essentially ruling themselves not the blacks for a long time.

Reflect7:


You have been miseducated.

If you had “devastating wars” in your town or village before the British invaded, it doesn’t apply to everywhere or most places in Nigeria.

Most places were PEACEFUL, and communities had long standing conflict resolution mechanisms to prevent anarchy.

Plus if warfare is a reason to colonise other societies, Europeans should have been the prime candidates for colonisation, even as recently as the last century, where they slaughtered over 100 million of themselves in the two white tribal wars they deceptively called “world wars”.

And the British destroyed and burned down our cities and towns, such as Great Benin City, which was described as being among the best planned and most beautiful cities on Earth in the 1600s, complete with palm oil-fuelled streetlights, underground drainage, and multi-storey buildings and public monuments.

A city where the Portuguese visitors reported that people did not build front doors to their houses because theft was unheard of!

Can you say that about anywhere in Nigeria today, with your British-influenced country?

Do you dare to build a house without a gate and barbed wired high fence, and windows with iron bars?

The Benin empire exchanged ambassadors with Portugal in the 1500s, traded with numerous countries in Europe and beyond, so this idea that we needed England in order to have a ‘development template’ is FALSE.

The problem with your narrative is that you choose to see thing from one perspective.

Benin city had suffered serious decline by the time of the British invasions, from local traditional history, Benin city were embroiled in several devastating civil wars before 1897 that seriously declined the economy and glory of Benin city.

Infact they had to resume trade with whites and started selling slaves which they had hitherto banned in order to recoup their economy.

Again is was not all rosy for Africans.

The Yoruba were in serious civil wars and invited the whites willingly to settle themselves.

The Hausa had been enslaved by the Fulani,

It wasn't all Uhuru for Africans.

Yes ,colonialism was wrong but my point is there's no proof that Africa would have been better off without colonialism, the evidence even tells otherwise.

Again the so called template of development you keep talking about is a white Western template, which the whole world uses now.

Even Japan and China use the white Western template

babasolution:


Nobody is asking for recolonisation, I know AFRICA had internal trade networks,and production and technology.

Everything shouldn't be blamed on the whites
The whites also helped facilitate even internal African trade with their ships.

it wasn't all rosy with Africans
Africans encouraged SLAVERY and
there were also devastating wars that destroyed African economies.

Unlike the whites they didn't have ship building technology and gun technology to invade far off lands to recoup their economy.

Infact on thing that enabled colonialisation was many African tribes eagerness to trade with the whites and acquire European products.

When you talk about years the whites stay as colonialist,you must understand that the didn't have the whole area under their grip at once,they spent several years pacifying different areas and quelling rebellion, before trying to build a political structure and development template,there needed to be a learning curve which took half of the time they acted as rulers.

South Africa was different because they settled in south Africa for several centuries unlike other areas especially West Africa.

In south Africa they were essentially ruling themselves not the blacks for a long time.

The whites did NOT “facilitate internal African trade with their ships”.

Why the hell would they do that?

To make life better for Africans?

What the hell is wrong with you?

It’s like you don’t want to accept they were your ENEMIES.

They came here and mass murdered your people and you are here talking jazz.

Do you know Europeans burned down and bombarded over 100 African cities?

You are very naïve regarding what they did here.

Plus Africans HAD SHIP BUILDING TECHNOLOGY.

In fact Africans PIONEERED seafaring.

How else do you think every other continent was populated?

You don’t know that every race of people are descended from ancient African settlers?

Africans explored the world thousands of years before Europeans did, and by the 1700s, many African regions had little use for seafaring when the Europeans, pressed by poverty, began seafaring and making guns to go and loot other lands.

When Christopher Columbus, the man who supposedly discovered America, got there, he saw black Africans already trading there and living among the native Americans.

They had arrived centuries earlier in their ships from places like Senegal and Mali.

And colonisation did not start because Africans were trading with Europeans. That’s a ludicrous assertion.

Colonialism started because greedy European leaders were desperate to loot the wealth of the then prosperous Southern Hemisphere, and began to mass produce firearms to do just that.

The unsuspecting south were caught unawares by the sheer ruthless greed of those pale skinned invaders and their firearms, and the rest is history.

RenaissanceGuy:
Mention 1 African nation whose natural resources were stolen and there's nothing left.

educate yourself on France paying only 10% of the value of the Niger Uranium that they are forced to import to France (why do you think France was so adamant in staying in Niger/Mali etc and/or destabilize the region?)... and although these commercial agreements would still be in place decades after France has been thrown out of the country (through that last coup), these are commercial structures that are in place since the last century and will be there for decades to come...

or better yet, educate yourself on why companies such as Mars, Mondelēz, Nestlé, Ferrero, Hershey's and Lindt & Sprüngl can get such a low price for cocoa that they thereafter sell for so much? or you think African Framers in Ivory coast want to get peanuts for their cocoa beans, abi?

or better yet, educate yourself on how the French Giant group BOLLORE was able to get his hands on the control of various African ports...

or better yet, do you think there is any Congolese companies defrauding the country of its mineral ressources (such as cobalt)?! or dont you understand that foreign companies are fuelling the local conflict in order to continue getting their hands on the Congolese natural ressources of all kind.... companies such Bangkok-based THAISARCO (a subsidiary of British metals group AMC), UK-based Afrimex, and Belgium-based Trademet.

Reflect7:


The whites did NOT “facilitate internal African trade with their ships”.

Why the hell would they do that?

To make life better for Africans?

What the hell is wrong with you?

It’s like you don’t want to accept they were your ENEMIES.

They came here and mass murdered your people and you are here talking jazz.

Do you know Europeans burned down and bombarded over 100 African cities?

You are very naïve regarding what they did here.

Plus Africans HAD SHIP BUILDING TECHNOLOGY.

In fact Africans PIONEERED seafaring.

How else do you think every other continent was populated?

You don’t know that every race of people are descended from ancient African settlers?

Africans explored the world thousands of years before Europeans did, and by the 1700s, many African regions had little use for seafaring when the Europeans, pressed by poverty, began seafaring and making guns to go and loot other lands.

When Christopher Columbus, the man who supposedly discovered America, got there, he saw black Africans already trading there and living among the native Americans.

They had arrived centuries earlier in their ships from places like Senegal and Mali.

Gosh ,you are just emotional, you not talking facts or reality.

There are available records and always traditional and researched history by locals that the Europeans indeed facilitated trade.

Eg,the Europeans bought Benin and ijebu made cloths, and sold in Congo amongst other things.

You also seem to not acknowledge that the white armies that did the black city destruction were composed majorly by other blacks.( in Nigeria particularly the Hausa and to a smaller extent the Yoruba).

Whether Africans pioneered sea faring or not evidence shows that atleast by the time of the European encounter they had lost it.

Do you know that the Portuguese fought along with your great Benin to attack other african cities.

Infact if not for the European canons Benin would have fallen from an igala invasion.
So essentially your great Benin was earlier saved by the the whites you love to hate.

We must be factual and logical not emotional

MrBrownJay1:


educate yourself on France paying only 10% of the value of the Niger Uranium that they are forced to import to France (why do you think France was so adamant in staying in Niger/Mali etc and/or destabilize the region?)... and although these commercial agreements would still be in place decades after France has been thrown out of the country (through that last coup), these are commercial structures that are in place since the last century and will be there for decades to come...

or better yet, educate yourself on why companies such as Mars, Mondelēz, Nestlé, Ferrero, Hershey's and Lindt & Sprüngl can get such a low price for cocoa that they thereafter sell for so much? or you think African Framers in Ivory coast want to get peanuts for their cocoa beans, abi?

or better yet, educate yourself on how the French Giant group BOLLORE was able to get his hands on the control of various African port...

or better yet, do you think there is any Congolese companies defrauding the country of its mineral ressources (such as cobalt)?! or dont you understand that foreign companies are fuelling the local conflict in order to continue getting their hands on the Congolese natural ressources of all kind.... companies such Bangkok-based THAISARCO (a subsidiary of British metals group AMC), UK-based Afrimex, and Belgium-based Trademet.

You mean France put gun on the head of Niger and said this is the price they must sell their uranium to them, that's if your claim is even true in the first place??

What you don't seem to acknowledge is that Africa's underdevelopment is largely self-inflicted. Even the simplest of agriculture, we can't feed ourselves - we pack billions of dollars every year to import food from Europe, Asia and the Americas. Ordinary TV we can't manufacture. Until Africa copies from China and begin an industrializelation revolution, we'll continue to blame the Europeans. Let's break away from that excuse, like countries such as China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Malaysia, did, building prosperity for their citizens.

babasolution:


Gosh ,you are just emotional, you not talking facts or reality.

There are available records and always traditional and researched history by locals that the Europeans indeed facilitated trade.

Eg,the Europeans bought Benin and ijebu made cloths, and sold in Congo amongst other things.

That is called Arbitrage, even if it were true. That’s very different from established trade networks between manufacturers and consumers and vice versa.

You also seem to not acknowledge that the white armies that did the black city destruction were composed majorly by other blacks.( in Nigeria particularly the Hausa and to a smaller extent the Yoruba).

Erm…. That’s what happens when your land comes under colonial domination. Your soldiers become THEIR soldiers.

Whether Africans pioneered sea faring or not evidence shows that atleast by the time of the European encounter they had lost it.

Do you know that the Portuguese fought along with your great Benin to attack other african cities.

Infact if not for the European canons Benin would have fallen from an igala invasion.
So essentially your great Benin was earlier saved by the the whites you love to hate.

It’s not about “hating whites”, you naive person.

It’s about identifying when whitey becomes your enemy and a threat to your collective civilisation.

Benin did not do anything different from a gazillion empires of the past who sought military assistance from their allies to defeat their enemies.

Plus the Benin kings, who were fiercely independent, rejected Portuguese blackmail that they should turn Christian in order to get military help, and they still went on to defeat their enemies with their own weapons.

We must be factual and logical not emotional

Good. So get rid of your emotional attachment to white colonialists.

RenaissanceGuy:
You mean France put gun on the head of Niger and said this is the price they must sell their uranium to them, that's if your claim is even true in the first place??

Very naïve question.

It starts by France using its leverage to ensure that a particular compromised leader gets to power, in Niger’s case, that Arab ex-president.

You don’t even know how these things operate, yet you are full of opinion.

RenaissanceGuy:
You mean France put gun on the head of Niger and said this is the price they must sell their uranium to them, that's if your claim is even true in the first place??

YES o, that is exactly what is happening.... they use the Franc CFA and blackmail to have these countries sign yeye contracts (at penny for the dollar) for their natural ressources.,, and when they cant do that, they just use various terrorist group (that they create) to destabilize the country, so that they can enter through the back door and get the natural ressources they desire for free (under some yeye "we helped you get rid of the terrorist, now you help us get cheaper natural ressources" type deal)"

What you don't seem to acknowledge is that Africa's underdevelopment is largely self-inflicted. Even the simplest of agriculture, we can't feed ourselves - we pack billions of dollars every year to import food from Europe, Asia and the Americas. Ordinary TV we can't manufacture. Until Africa copies from China and begin an industrializelation revolution, we'll continue to blame the Europeans. Let's break away from that excuse, like countries such as China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Malaysia, did.

i fully disagree. many countries out there dont manufacture anything and yet are doing pretty well. we cant compare countries but let me help you understand something very simple (about how the west function).
you see, they first work in the back ground to destabilize a gov that is not favorable to them (by arming guerillas and terrorists) then they will use fraud to get their puppet of choice elected, then they will now use that same puppets to make laws and sign decade long contracts that are only favorable to the west (and thereafter throw a thank you banana at that monkey you guys call presido)
case in point: President Tinubu settled a decade long lawsuit that the Nigerian gov had against SHELL/ENI (about oil prospecting licenses)... and mysteriously, after Tinubu put his children in charge of a company called Oando Plc, that company now own all the onshore assets of Eni (Eni, the exact same company and assets that the Nigerian company had a lawsuit against). if this isnt the biggest corrupt move, then what is CORRUPTION really?!

so yes, the African governments are to blame for allowing these western nations to rob Africa blind of its natural ressources, but then again, thats what they have been doing for the last +60yrs.

MrBrownJay1:
YES o, that is exactly what is happening.... they use the Franc CFA and blackmail to have these countries sign yeye contracts (at penny for the dollar) for their natural ressources.,, and when they cant do that, they just use various terrorist group (that they create) to destabilize the country, so that they can enter through the back door and get the natural ressources they desire for free (under some yeye "we helped you get rid of the terrorist, now you help us get cheaper natural ressources" type deal)"



i fully disagree. many countries out there dont manufacture anything and yet are doing pretty well. we cant compare countries but let me help you understand something very simple (about how the west function).
you see, they first work in the back ground to destabilize a gov that is not favorable to them (by arming guerillas and terrorists) then they will use fraud to get their puppet of choice elected, then they will now use that same puppets to make laws and sign decade long contracts that are only favorable to the west (and thereafter throw a thank you banana at that monkey you guys call presido)
case in point: President Tinubu settled a decade long lawsuit that the Nigerian gov had against SHELL/ENI (about oil prospecting licenses)... and mysteriously, after Tinubu put his children in charge of a company called Oando Plc, that company now own all the onshore assets of Eni (Eni, the exact same company and assets that the Nigerian company had a lawsuit against). if this isnt the biggest corrupt move, then what is CORRUPTION really?!

so yes, the African governments are to blame for allowing these western nations to rob Africa blind of its natural ressources, but then again, thats what they have been doing for the last +60yrs.

All these excuses are not tenable. This same West never wanted China to rise, but China rose nonetheless - through hard work and resilience. Is the West also responsible for our inability to use the trillions of dollars we've made from oil to make our country look like Saudi,Qatar, UAE have done??

Reflect7:


Very naïve question.

It starts by France using its leverage to ensure that a particular compromised leader gets to power, in Niger’s case, that Arab ex-president.

You don’t even know how these things operate, yet you are full of opinion.

Rossiki, I'm very versed in international history, diplomacy and politics, so learn how to address people.

RenaissanceGuy:
All these excuses are not tenable. This same West never wanted China to rise, but China rose nonetheless - through hard work and resilience. Is the West also responsible for our inability to use the trillions of dollars we've made from oil to make our country look like Saudi,Qatar, UAE have done??

you see the above is your mistake... trying to compare Nigeria with China, or better yet with any oil producing countries with 3m citizen, 9m citizen and/or 30m citizen, is the reason why you will always fail on this issue.

there are a lot of problems with Nigeria/Africa YES, but that doesnt change the fact that the west is robbing Nigeria blind.

you cant possibly advance when you have puppets gov (being controlled by the west), signing unfair contracts that only benefits the west and that monkey (and his family) who signed that contract

MrBrownJay1:


you see the above is your mistake... trying to compare Nigeria with China, or better yet with any oil producing countries with 3m citizen, 9m citizen and/or 30m citizen, is the reason why you will always fail on this issue.

there are a lot of problems with Nigeria/Africa YES, but that doesnt change the fact that the west is robbing Nigeria blind.

you cant possibly advance when you have puppets gov (being controlled by the west), signing unfair contracts that only benefits the west and that monkey (and his family) who signed that contract

OK, population size is also the reason Bayelsa the least populated state in Nigeria and receiver of humongous monthly oil proceeds has nothing to show for or?? Why shouldn't I compare ourself with China? If China hadn't compared them self with US or Europe, they would have still been stuck with poverty and console themselves that their extremely large population size is to blame. A 1 million people irresponsible African country making as much money like Nigeria is making would still be poor for any reasons or excuses they can come with.

RenaissanceGuy:
OK, population size is also the reason Bayelsa the least populated state in Nigeria and receiver of humongous monthly oil proceeds has nothing to show for or?? Why shouldn't I compare ourself with China? If China hadn't compared them self with US or Europe, they would have still been stuck with poverty and console themselves that their extremely large population size is to blame. A 1 million people irresponsible African country making as much money like Nigeria is making would still be poor for any reasons or excuses they can come with.

China never compared themselves to the US or Europe.. thats why they made laws to have fewer children for their citizens (for decades) or focussed all their ressources on bettering the life of its citizen. thats what COMMUNISM has done for China. in china, every cent that enters the country's coffer is used towards the country while in Nigeria.... oh well!

MrBrownJay1:

China never compared themselves to the US or Europe.. thats why they made laws to have fewer children for their citizens (for decades) or focussed all their ressources on bettering the life of its citizen. thats what COMMUNISM has done for China. in china, every cent that enters the country's coffer is used towards the country while in Nigeria.... oh well!

You mean you don't understand what I mean by "compare"? Like saying "If this country can do it, we too can". China intentionally sponsored and still sponsors their citizens to the US and Europe to study technology , so that they can localize and even do it better than the original inventors/innovators.

RenaissanceGuy:
You mean you don't understand what I mean by "compare"? Like saying "If this country can do it, we too can". China intentionally sponsored and still sponsors their citizens to the US and Europe to study technology , so that they can localize and even do it better than the original inventors/innovators.

- was China colonized for you to compare their journey with that of Nigeria?
- do you believe communist countries are run the same as Nigeria?

Reflect7:


They can't try it.

They will be slaughtered.

This is not 1886.

Only ignorant, unschooled, right-wing white racists discuss this garbage.

Ordinary Niger Republic sent France packing, but somehow they will ''re-colonize Africa''.

Rubbish.

Who will slaughter them?

Reflect7:


That is called Arbitrage, even if it were true. That’s very different from established trade networks between manufacturers and consumers and vice versa.



Erm…. That’s what happens when your land comes under colonial domination. Your soldiers become THEIR soldiers.



It’s not about “hating whites”, you naive person.

It’s about identifying when whitey becomes your enemy and a threat to your collective civilisation.

Benin did not do anything different from a gazillion empires of the past who sought military assistance from their allies to defeat their enemies.

Plus the Benin kings, who were fiercely independent, rejected Portuguese blackmail that they should turn Christian in order to get military help, and they still went on to defeat their enemies with their own weapons.



Good. So get rid of your emotional attachment to white colonialists.

It's a lie,Benin used European made weapons in most of its major wars ,and Benin would have been invaded and captured especially by the igala save for its European canons,oba esigie converted to Christianity and built the holy arousa church because of guns.

The black men the whites used to prosecute their wars were hired, this happened prior to any British invasions of any of today's Nigerian tribes.

what these tells you is that many blacks were very willing to work for the British against their fellow blacks.

The Aro confederacy in Igbo land,were an entity that particularly enslaved their fellow igbos for money,it was the British that destroyed their grip on the igbos freeing the igbos from the aro tyranny.

People like you only study one sided history,if you study history dispassionately you'll discover Africa was not Uhuru before the whiteman, neither was it with the whiteman, so in summary there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism

babasolution:


It's a lie,Benin used European made weapons in most of its major wars ,and Benin would have been invaded and captured especially by the igala save for its European canons,oba esigie converted to Christianity and built the holy arousa church because of guns.

YOU ARE A LIAR FROM HELL.

https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Benin_Imperial_Army_(Principia_Moderni_IV_Map_Game)

Benin conquered most territories BEFORE it encountered the Portuguese, NOT after.

The Portuguese only got there around 1500, over 400 years after the Benin empire was established!

So how the hell did Portuguese weapons account for most of Benin's wars?

Are you even aware that the Benin Empire manufactured guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

And no. Oba Esigie NEVER converted to christianity!

That's a pure lie!

The black men the whites used to prosecute their wars were hired, this happened prior to any British invasions of any of today's Nigerian tribes.

THAT'S A PURE LIE. Troops of the colonial armies were recruited from already conquered territories.

The Aro confederacy in Igbo land, were an entity that particularly enslaved their fellow igbos for money, it was the British that destroyed their grip on the igbos freeing the igbos from the aro tyranny.

People like you only study one sided history,if you study history dispassionately you'll discover Africa was not Uhuru before the whiteman, neither was it with the whiteman, so in summary there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism

You take a bit of bad news from the past as your evidence that ''there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism'', which just shows your inferiority complex.

But there are NUMEROUS examples of African capacity and ingenuity that prove that Africa WOULD have been been off without colonialism.

You just choose to ignore them while focusing on the negative, as if negative things only happened in Africa!

This is a VILLAGE far outside Benin city.

It was drawn by British visitor, Mary Evans in 1836.

This was a full 61 years before the British invasion of the Benin kingdom in 1897.

AND 78 years before 'Nigeria' was born (in 1914).



Benin Village Scene, 1836
Village scene in Benin - a high-ranking citizen with his attendants

Source: Wall Art and Photo Gifts from Mary Evans Picture Library

https://www.prints-online.com/benin-village-scene-4359826.html

As you can see, we had multi-storey buildings, with sophisticated roofing and ventilation systems in VILLAGES before the colonial era.

Yet we have this image that they all lived in muds huts with thatched roofs.

WHY?

We have been seriously miseducated about our past.

It looks even better than many parts of our country today.

Who knows how far ahead we would have been today absent of colonial invasion and disruption of our civilisation?

If our villages looked like this nearly 200 years ago, how might they have looked TODAY, without European invasion?

Maybe like WAKANDA!

And here is BENIN CITY PROPER drawn by the same woman in 1836, showing multi-storey buildings and monuments.



The British bombed, burned down and looted this beautiful city!

They just could not bear to see such an advanced city built by black Africans.

This is why we say that colonialism did not bring civilisation to Nigeria.

It took away our civilisation, and replaced it wIth vagabondism!

Reflect7:


YOU ARE A LIAR FROM HELL.

https://althistory.fandom.com/wiki/Benin_Imperial_Army_(Principia_Moderni_IV_Map_Game)

Benin conquered most territories BEFORE it encountered the Portuguese, NOT after.

The Portuguese only got there around 1500, over 400 years after the Benin empire was established!

So how the hell did Portuguese weapons account for most of Benin's wars?

Are you even aware that the Benin Empire manufactured guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

And no. Oba Esigie NEVER converted to christianity!

That's a pure lie!



THAT'S A PURE LIE. Troops of the colonial armies were recruited from already conquered territories.



You take a bit of bad news from the past as your evidence that ''there's no proof Africa would have been better off without colonialism'', which just shows your inferiority complex.

But there are NUMEROUS examples of African capacity and ingenuity that prove that Africa WOULD have been been off without colonialism.

You just choose to ignore them while focusing on the negative, as if negative things only happened in Africa!

This is a VILLAGE far outside Benin city.

It was drawn by British visitor, Mary Evans in 1836.

This was a full 61 years before the British invasion of the Benin kingdom in 1897.

AND 78 years before 'Nigeria' was born (in 1914).



Benin Village Scene, 1836
Village scene in Benin - a high-ranking citizen with his attendants

Source: Wall Art and Photo Gifts from Mary Evans Picture Library

https://www.prints-online.com/benin-village-scene-4359826.html

As you can see, we had multi-storey buildings, with sophisticated roofing and ventilation systems in VILLAGES before the colonial era.

Yet we have this image that they all lived in muds huts with thatched roofs.

WHY?

We have been seriously miseducated about our past.

It looks even better than many parts of our country today.

Who knows how far ahead we would have been today absent of colonial invasion and disruption of our civilisation?

If our villages looked like this nearly 200 years ago, how might they have looked TODAY, without European invasion?

Maybe like WAKANDA!

This is why we say that colonialism did not bring civilisation to Nigeria.

It took away our civilisation, and replaced it wIth vagabondism!

Oba esigie converted to Christianity, OK tell me who built the holy arousa Benin church? Infact one of his sons was sent to train as a priest,even itsekiri kings converted to Christianity and took up Portuguese names,

Truly Benin expansion started before their encounter with the Europeans.

But despite this,The European canon saved Benin from being crushed by the igala( they raised a large army comprising idomas,jukun and ebiras).

You do not take into consideration the 16 years war the Yoruba fought amongst themselves, that they had to call whites to settle for them,this war almost completely destroyed Yoruba existence.

You do not take into account the devastating destruction the Nupe under Fulani kings brought to the Middlebelt almost down to Benin,infact the British had to invade Bida to put a stop to these wars.

You are the one cherry picking only few good aspects of African society as if it was all Uhuru.

Don't forget the devastation of the dahomey against Abeokuta,infact it was still British aided supply of weapons that prevented Abeokuta to fall to the dahomey and be sold as slaves wholescale.

Skooltynz:
I saw an interview on twitter were white elires were talking about how they plan recolonizing Africa again,They said they are tired of our people mass migrating to their land that its posing a security threat to them now they wanna help us recolonize Africa.

Please they should come and recolonize this shit hole we can't rule ourselves