cap28:

please refer to my above post in which i asked Beaf the very same question but up till now have not received any coherent response from him.

It's common knowledge Charles Taylor was a product of the CIA, I came to expose the hand Mr.Pan Africanist Muammar Gaddafi had in the involvment of Thomas Sankara which I did.   

cap28:


And we can also see from the above testimony that Charles TAylor was spying on Qadaffi for the americans  - this is the reason the americans allowed him to train in one of Qadaffi's training camps.

The americans used Taylor and the French used Campaore both were pawns for the europeans and americans and both were used to eliminate Sankara  in addition Taylor was paid to spy on Qadaffi and all other african liberation movements and feed back the information to washington.

can Beaf please explain to me how this makes Qadaffi culpable of Sankara's assassination?

I think it should be obvious to even someone as dim witted as Beaf that Charles Taylor was a creation of the US intelligence services  - this is why the US put a $2m dollar bounty on his head when he was a guest of the nigerian govt in calabar -  he knows too much -this is the reason why he is in the Kangaroo Court aka the hague - yes he is a psychopathic murderer but he is a psychopathic murderer who was moulded, financed, trained and assisted with the help of the US govt and the Libyan govt as soon as he had served his purpose the US promptly financed and armed two other rebel groups to overthrow him. 

HE KNOWS TOO MUCH!!!!

   

cap28:

The americans used Taylor and the French used Campaore both were pawns for the europeans and americans and both were used to eliminate Sankara

In that perspective you could say Gaddafi was more of a pawn than either Campaore or Taylor he was indirectly and directly used by both the Americans and the French!

cap28:

can Beaf please explain to me how this makes Qadaffi culpable of Sankara's assassination?

MOMO : They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…

SILVESTRO : And was Gaddafi okay with the plan ?

MOMO : Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.

SILVESTRO : Yes, yes…

MOMO : If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.

red jasper it appears you didnt read the article properly - Charles Taylor was recruited by the CIA to infiltrate african liberation movements all over africa, spy on Qadaffi and overthrow Samuel Doe - Qadaffi was unwittingly roped into a plot to get rid of Sankara - a plot hatched by the CIA and implemented by Taylor and Campaore.

what would Qadaffi gain from killing Sankara?

On the other hand the americans and the french had a very big axe to grind with Sankara because of his plan to nationalise the resources of his country and his refusal to take on IMF/world bank loans.

Even if Qadaffi had foreknowledge of america and france's plan to kill Sankara there was nothing he could have done to stop it - he might have even been their next target if he had tried- after all he had been the target of numerous assassination attempts for ovr 20 years.

cap28:

red jasper it appears you didnt read the article properly - Charles Taylor was recruited by the CIA to infiltrate african liberation movements all over africa, spy on Qadaffi and overthrow Samuel Doe - Qadaffi was unwittingly roped into a plot to get rid of Sankara - a plot hatched by the CIA and implemented by Taylor and Campaore.

what would Qadaffi gain from killing Sankara?

On the other hand the americans and the french had a very big axe to grind with Sankara because of his plan to nationalise the resources of his country and his refusal to take on IMF/world bank loans.

Even if Qadaffi had foreknowledge of america and france's plan to kill Sankara there was nothing he could have done to stop it - he might have even been their next target if he had tried- after all he had been the target of numerous assassination attempts for ovr 20 years.

You are bloody dense. The World does not run on any formula, most especially not the wildly daft NWO ones you propagate.
America used Taylor to get rid of Doe, but Gaddafi had and Taylor had other ideas; Gaddafi wanted to actualise his megalomaniac "king of kings of Africa" idiocy and be the overall boss on the land, while Taylor wanted daimonds. They both killed Sankara to actualise their evil plans and they both got money and backing from France for the pustch. Taylor wanted an army to be able to spread instability in order to steal daimonds, while Gaddafi needed a lieutenant to be able to link his other World Revolutionary Council graduates to unleash instability and set him up as overlord. Both mens plans dovetailed and they inflicted worse atrocities on West Africa than Hitler did on the Jews.

America does evil out of national interest, but Gaddafi did evil out of maniacal personal interest. Evil is evil, don't come selling any fools formula; nobody else barks at the Moon.

Beaf:

You are bloody dense. The World does not run on any formula, most especially not the wildly daft NWO ones you propagate.
America used Taylor to get rid of Doe, but Gaddafi had and Taylor had other ideas; Gaddafi wanted to actualise his megalomaniac "king of kings of Africa" idiocy and be the overall boss on the land, while Taylor wanted daimonds. They both killed Sankara to actualise their evil plans and they both got money and backing from France for the pustch. Taylor wanted an army to be able to spread instability in order to steal daimonds, while Gaddafi needed a lieutenant to be able to link his other World Revolutionary Council graduates to unleash instability and set him up as overlord. Both mens plans dovetailed and they inflicted worse atrocities on West Africa than Hitler did on the Jews.

America does evil out of national interest, but Gaddafi did evil out of maniacal personal interest. Evil is evil, don't come selling any fools formula; nobody else barks at the Moon.

your slave mentality doesnt allow you to think straight - Libya under Qadaffi had the highest standard of living on the african continent, look around you can you see any other african country with anything near that standard of living?

you are so subservient to western ideology that you even make excuses for them when they committ the most heinous crimes - here is how your argument goes: "when europeans and americans committ atrocities its because they want to remain dominant on the world stage but when a pan african arab challenges western hegemony its because he is a mad man" - do you see how flawed your argument is? do you see how inferior you feel to the white man?

according to you the white man can kill and destroy as many african nations as he likes because he is only doing it to remain dominant but any non white person who dares to challenge the position of the white man is mad and unhinged - you are so pathetic.

the evidence is staring you in the face that charles taylor was helped by the CIA to escape from a maximum security prison, he was also sent to spy on Qadaffi and he was allowed to massacre thousands of his own people all as a result of the help from his godfathers in washington - you better wake up and smell the coffee because the americans can very easily create a nigerian charles taylor, they have succeeded in replacing a legitimate govt in libya with a gang of racist al qaeda criminals - do you think nigeria is immune from such treachery?

to date nigeria has managed to escape any attack from the west because it is run by traitors who have sold nigeria's resources off to the western multinationals - in your dim mind you actually think that nigeria is a sovereign nation - sorry to burst your bubble but nigeria is being run and controlled by shell, exxon mobil and the international banking cartels - your nigerian politicians have no say on any important issues they simply follow orders from washington and london - they are totally beholden to their western handlers - you better wake up and start living in the real world chump.

@cap28
What do you think about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala? Do you think she is a puppet to the US and she wants to destroy Nigeria's economy or do you think she will make Nigeria better?

igbo2011:

@cap28
What do you think about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala? Do you think she is a puppet to the US and she wants to destroy Nigeria's economy or do you think she will make Nigeria better?

Thats sort of a Rhetorical questions isn't it?

You already know what he is going to answer. All black people who support any western ideology are puppets.

We are just too dim to think for ourselves. Its pratically impossilbe for us to see outside of what we were bamboozled into.

Maybe we should just revolt,  spill blood and start from scratch again.


I am waiting for that revolution. Hope it comes soon as well.

All HAIL CAP28!!.

morpheus24:

Thats sort of a Rhetorical questions isn't it?

You already know what he is going to answer. All black people who support any western ideology are puppets.

We are just too dim to think for ourselves. Its pratically impossilbe for us to see outside of what we were bamboozled into.

Maybe we should just revolt, spill blood and start from scratch again.


I am waiting for that revolution. Hope it comes soon as well.

All HAIL CAP28!!

How many Nigerians are ready to die? The politicians know that most Nigerians are spineless and are too scared. They die from bad roads and bad hospitals but won't die for their country. There was an egyptian guy who is now blind due to the revloution. How many Egyptians are ready to die?

igbo2011:

How many Nigerians are ready to die? The politicians know that most Nigerians are spineless and are too scared. They die from bad roads and bad hospitals but won't die for their country. There was an egyptian guy who is now blind due to the revloution. How many Egyptians are ready to die?

The question you should be asking is in this age of free flowing information from multiple sources vis a vis "HISTORY LESSONS", "YOU TUBE"and multiple books on the plunder of Africa, How does the spineless NIGERIAN wield all this information to transform himself into a "spinefull" revolutionary?

Its like telling you the "devil exists" What are you supposed to do with that information?

Can you destroy "greed" or "the lust for power" or are you just trying to change its dynamics. Hmmmmm??

cap28:

your slave mentality doesnt allow you to think straight - Libya under Qadaffi had the highest standard of living on the african continent, look around you can you see any other african country with anything near that standard of living?

you are so subservient to western ideology that you even make excuses for them when they committ the most heinous crimes - here is how your argument goes: "when europeans and americans committ atrocities its because they want to remain dominant on the world stage but when a pan african arab challenges western hegemony its because he is a mad man" - do you see how flawed your argument is? do you see how inferior you feel to the white man?

according to you the white man can kill and destroy as many african nations as he likes because he is only doing it to remain dominant but any non white person who dares to challenge the position of the white man is mad and unhinged - you are so pathetic.

the evidence is staring you in the face that charles taylor was helped by the CIA to escape from a maximum security prison, he was also sent to spy on Qadaffi and he was allowed to massacre thousands of his own people all as a result of the help from his godfathers in washington - you better wake up and smell the coffee because the americans can very easily create a nigerian charles taylor, they have succeeded in replacing a legitimate govt in libya with a gang of racist al qaeda criminals - do you think nigeria is immune from such treachery?

to date nigeria has managed to escape any attack from the west because it is run by traitors who have sold nigeria's resources off to the western multinationals - in your dim mind you actually think that nigeria is a sovereign nation - sorry to burst your bubble but nigeria is being run and controlled by shell, exxon mobil and the international banking cartels - your nigerian politicians have no say on any important issues they simply follow orders from washington and london - they are totally beholden to their western handlers - you better wake up and start living in the real world chump.

I have tackled you with logic and posted links with concrete references, but you keep replying with sentimental tosh like the above. Are your life choices based on cheap sentiment or are they based on logic; guess which one wins any contest over and over?

You have this foolishly racist idea that America is peopled by whites who are seething at their reins to finish us off. It is an irational fear born of low self esteem, paranoia and shocking avoidance of logic.
It is incredible that anyone would start a thread about Gaddafi saving Africa from imperialism, whereas Gaddafi was one of Africa's worst imperialists. Keep barking at the Moon dude.

I will keep furnishing you with verifiable facts, logic and links; so here's something to draw another psychadelic response from you (which as usual, will be bursted with the sheer for of logic backed by proof):

[size=14pt]Indict Muammar Gaddafi now for War Crimes in Sierra Leone[/size]
- Wednesday 4 May 2011.
By Aroun Rashid Deen, New York City.

With international pressure already mounting on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and with the International Criminal Court now in the process of gathering information on civilian deaths in Libya, the Special Court for Sierra Leone and the International Criminal Court have a profound opportunity to indict Gaddafi for war crimes and crimes against humanity he has committed in Sierra Leone. The United Nations has already sanctioned Gaddafi’s government, and now it’s time his prior crimes in West Africa are brought to justice, too.

Muammar Gaddafi was the mastermind and key financier of the brutal war that left hundreds of thousands dead in Sierra Leone in West Africa in the 1990s. The war would not have happened in the first place had it not been for the desire of the Libyan leader to punish the government of Sierra Leone for what he regarded as its siding with the West in the 1980’s when Gaddafi was at loggerhead with particularly the United States and Britain. It was also part of Gaddafi’s broader agenda including his geopolitical ambition to destabilize much of West Africa and establish satellite states in the region to be headed by puppet regimes that will be doing his biddings. The decade-long war ripped Sierra Leone apart. Thousands of its victims, whose arms and limbs were chopped off by rebels, were reduced to paupers, roaming the streets as beggars in Freetown and other cities. Children as young as a day old were also among those whose arms and limbs were hacked off by Gaddafi’s rebels. Pregnant women, too, were disemboweled with delight in their display of ghastly brutality.

As part of his criminal plans to set West Africa on the warpath, Gaddafi instituted a program of guerilla warfare in Libya for a group of disgruntled West Africans, including a group of Sierra Leoneans he had invited to Tripoli to undergo training. The men who led the war on Sierra Leone — former Liberian leader and warlord, Charles Taylor and Sierra Leone’s rebel leader, Foday Sankoh, and The Gambian Fugitive, Kukoi Samba Sanyang — were among those who trained in Libya.

The ring leaders of the Revolutionary United Front rebel group, which was fighting to overthrow the government of Sierra Leone, also received massive financial support from Libya through Gaddafi’s People’s Revolutionary Council. Long before the government of Sierra Leone and the United Nations jointly set up the Special Court for Sierra Leone to prosecute key suspects of the war for war crimes and crimes against humanity, calls have been made for Gaddafi to face international justice for his role in Sierra Leone — like Charles Taylor now in The Hague. An opposition leader in Sierra Leone, Charles Margai, who was one of the strong advocates for Gaddafi’s indictment, was incensed when Gaddafi visited the country in 2007. In a BBC interview, he called on Sierra Leoneans to boycott the reception that was hosted for him at the national stadium.

David Crane, the first Chief Prosecutor at the Special Court, considered indicting the Libyan dictator. The former prosecutor, who now teaches law at Syracuse University, says that the direct participation of the Libyan leader in the wars in both Sierra Leone and Liberia caused the “murder, violation, maiming, and mutilation of over a million human beings…” But calls for justice were not heeded because it appears principle Western nations developed a fondness for Mr. Gaddafi following his so-called positive gestures, such as his abandoning of WMD programs.

In January 2004, former French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin was quick to express hope that French firms would participate fully in business activities in Libya. This followed Libya’s signing of a deal to pay $170 million to relatives of French victims of a UTA French airliner bombing in 1989, which was blamed on Libya. Current French President Nicolas Sarkozy also went to Tripoli in July 2007.

The greatest irony of it all is that Sierra Leone and Liberia never got compensations from Libya for the untold suffering, infrastructural damage and needless loss of lives even though evidence suggests that he was the master-mind of the carnage.

Then British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, met Gaddafi in Tripoli in 2004. The meeting was christened with the signing of a deal by oil giant, Shell, estimated at hundreds of millions of British pound sterling for gas exploration rights off the Libyan coast.

In August 2008, Italy’s Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi visited Libya and signed a $5 billion dollars investment deal with Gaddafi. Condoleezza Rice, the former US Secretary of State has also been to Libya where she met with the controversial Gaddafi.

The Libyan leader’s promise to, at the least, pay compensations to relatives of his brutal crimes as well as his giving up of his WMDs were welcome news in a world — particularly in Europe — that confronts many terrorists activities. Oil supplies from Libya mean much to the West. But appeasing the West should not stand in the way for justice for Sierra Leone, just so because it is not an affluent country endowed with oil deposits.

Up till now, Gaddafi’s relations with the West were getting cozier by the day. His brutal treatment of peaceful protesters — who seek nothing more than just a political change that guarantees freedom and better living standards — shows clearly that Gaddafi is too grown to learn new tricks. He is fundamental in his choice to resorting to brutality as a means of addressing challenges.

Muammar Gaddafi bears the greatest responsibility for the brutality in Sierra Leone. The Sierra Leone Truth and Reconciliation Commission set up at the end of the war found out that Libya contributed in a significant way to the chaos and mayhem that engulfed the country. Mr. Gaddafi’s role in the training in Libya and financing of the rebels justify his direct involvement in the mayhem. Such key roles deserve more than mere naming and shaming.

The desire for a share of Libyan oil or business prospect should not rub leading international policy makers of their moral responsibility to let Mr. Gaddafi account for his brutal misdeeds.

Gaddafi’s hatred for Sierra Leone goes back to the early 1980s when then President of Sierra Leone, Siaka Stevens, in November 1982, boycotted an Organization of African Unity conference Libya was scheduled to host. The 1982 conference lacked a quorum due to the absence of many heads of state as a result of controversies surrounding Gaddafi’s role in the rebellions that were going on in Africa at the time.

Gaddafi must not go unpunished. What was good for the British and French must be good for Sierra Leoneans too.

http://www.thepatrioticvanguard.com/spip.php?article5869

igbo2011:

@cap28
What do you think about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala? Do you think she is a puppet to the US and she wants to destroy Nigeria's economy or do you think she will make Nigeria better?

She is a world bank puppet and an agent of the same destructive economic policies that are destroying africa.

she was selected by her bosses at the world bank in america to negotiate the settlement of our supposed debt to the paris club during Obasanjo's first tenure.

what obasanjo failed to disclose to the nigerian populace was that we had actually paid OFF ALL OF THIS DEBT TEN TIMES OVER and that we were being shafted for the interest which had been hiked to an astronomical level in order to keep us submerged in debt.

Buhari to his credit REFUSED TO pay it as he realised we were being SCAMMED BY THESE CRIMINALS and instead demanded an outright cancellation - this is one of the reasons he was toppled and replaced by IBB.

As you know debt is one of the greatest weapons used by the western banks to keep african nations enslaved and its masses impoverished - this is why Qadaffi was hated so much by the west, up until a few months ago Libya had no foreign debt and you can see that because they had no foreign debt they were able to provide a comprehensive social welfare system, very high standard of healthcare and education and the highest standard of living on the african continent.

This was primarily because Qadaffi REFUSED TO ALLOW Libya to become a victim of the IMF/world bank debt peonage programme which nigeria remains a victim of.

in john perkin's economic hitman he elaborates on the way in which america and europe use african lackeys posing as technocrats to destroy the economies of their own nations.

Okonjo Iweala will definitely not make nigeria better as she is serving the interests of her masters in washington and not the interests of her own people.  as you can see she is about to plunge nigerians into more misery by unleashing more IMF/world bank shock treatment on the nigerian populace, unfortunately most nigerians are totally ignorant of how western banks use debt to enslave african nations.

her role is similar to the role of allassane ouattara of ivory coast -   to facilitate the transfer of wealth from her own nation into the hands of her western masters.

Beaf:

I have tackled you with logic and posted links with concrete references, but you keep replying with sentimental tosh like the above. Are your life choices based on cheap sentiment or are they based on logic; guess which one wins any contest over and over?

You have this foolishly racist idea that America is peopled by whites who are seething at their reins to finish us off. It is an irational fear born of low self esteem, paranoia and shocking avoidance of logic.
It is incredible that anyone would start a thread about Gaddafi saving Africa from imperialism, whereas Gaddafi was one of Africa's worst imperialists. Keep barking at the Moon dude.

I will keep furnishing you with verifiable facts, logic and links; so here's something to draw another psychadelic response from you (which as usual, will be bursted with the sheer for of logic backed by proof):

http://www.thepatrioticvanguard.com/spip.php?article5869

Your blissful ignorance is terrifying - how do you function on a daily basis? 

you have just posted SOMEONE's OPINION and you are now trying to pass it off as fact and logic - are you sane at all?

how many times do you want me to point out to you that Charles Taylor was a creation of the CIA and not Muammar Qadaffi?

why have you closed your eyes to the role that the US govt played in creating this monster?

why have you completely exonerated them from any blame but have chosen instead to home in on Qadaffi?

Why cant you explain to me how it was that Charles Taylor was able to escape from a maximum security prison in the US and surface a few years later in Liberia with millions of dollars in cash and arms?

You obviously have zero knowledge or understanding of history or you wouldnt make such breathtakingly dumb statements - it appears you know absolutely nothing about the role that the  europeans and americans have played in the genocide of black people - every single war that has been fought in africa has been incited and funded by americans and europeans and still in your fog of ignorance you accuse me of being paranoid about white racism - did  you know that the ongoing war in the Congo has claimed the lives of over 6 milion congolese people since 1996  and guess who incited it?  can you also guess who is selling arms to both sides in the conflict?

Did you know that the US govts official policy on world population control is set out in a US state dept document entitled NSSM 200 -  published in 1974 - the document sets out ways in which africa can be depopulated in order for america to have easy access to the natural resources of the various african nations.

did you know that some of the recommended mechanisms for the depopulation of african nations were: war, famine , use of biological warfare and economic control through debt enslavement?

i dont even know where to start educating you because your ignorance and s.tupidity is so vast.

You must be one of those dim witted nigerians that just sleep walk their way through life until reality smacks them in the face.

Being aware of racism does not equate to low self esteem or paranoia it equates to self empowerment through knowledge of the truth.

Perhaps all those black people that were beheaded and massacred by your NATO backed al qaeda friends in libya were suffering from low self esteem and paranoia - may be thats why they ended up being slaughtered by those NATO backed lynch mobs.

im done with you - you are too far gone in your ignorance, i am more likely to get more sense out of a brick wall.

@morpheus24
Christianity has kept Nigerians waiting for sky daddy to save everyone. Also praying all day without doing anything to solve problems. This is why churches are big business. Instead of building schools and hospitals just a bunch of churches. So Nigeria has politically (controlling politicians), economically (IMF/World Bank/ WTO laws benefit the west and debt goes to the west) , and cultural (enslave the mind with religion or media) imperialism. Slaves on our own land. We dn't control our own oil, we sell oil to the west and all the oil money goes to western banks. Then we buy petroleum products. This same economic structure goes with cotton, cocoa, and other commodities. Export cocoa and buy chocolate, export cotton and buy clothing. This goes to almost all African countries. It is a big plantation. Africans have been building whites wealth for 500 years and what do we get from it? No respect, they stole our history and achievements and took it as theirs. Portray us negatively all the time on the media so young hcildren can be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

Africans contributed so much to the world which still goes on today and the only thing we think about for our history is slavery. Check out the sungbo eredo from Benin. 2nd largest man made structure in the world and largest earthwork. Is this in any history books? http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/they-all-look-like-all-them/40200-sungbo-eredo-nigerias-hidden-wonder.html

If we knew our own history and stopped doing Christianity then we would be in a better situation then we are now. Not just Africa but around the world.

cap28:

She is a world bank puppet and an agent of the same destructive economic policies that are destroying africa.

she was selected by her bosses at the world bank in america to negotiate the settlement of our supposed debt to the paris club during Obasanjo's first tenure.

what obasanjo failed to disclose to the nigerian populace was that we had actually paid OFF ALL OF THIS DEBT TEN TIMES OVER and that we were being shafted for the interest which had been hiked to an astronomical level in order to keep us submerged in debt.

Buhari to his credit REFUSED TO pay it as he realised we were being SCAMMED BY THESE CRIMINALS and instead demanded an outright cancellation - this is one of the reasons he was toppled and replaced by IBB.

As you know debt is one of the greatest weapons used by the western banks to keep african nations enslaved and its masses impoverished - this is why Qadaffi was hated so much by the west, up until a few months ago Libya had no foreign debt and you can see that because they had no foreign debt they were able to provide a comprehensive social welfare system, very high standard of healthcare and education and the highest standard of living on the african continent.

This was primarily because Qadaffi REFUSED TO ALLOW Libya to become a victim of the IMF/world bank debt peonage programme which nigeria remains a victim of.

in john perkin's economic hitman he elaborates on the way in which america and europe use african lackeys posing as technocrats to destroy the economies of their own nations.

Okonjo Iweala will definitely not make nigeria better as she is serving the interests of her masters in washington and not the interests of her own people.  as you can see she is about to plunge nigerians into more misery by unleashing more IMF/world bank shock treatment on the nigerian populace, unfortunately most nigerians are totally ignorant of how western banks use debt to enslave african nations.

her role is similar to the role of allassane ouattara of ivory coast -   to facilitate the transfer of wealth from her own nation into the hands of her western masters.

Which John Perkins book did you read. Confessions of an economic hitman or America's secret empire? I need to pick those books up to learn more. Outtara used to work for the IMF. But people from the Ivory Coast want Gbagbo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDRQEal3EU

Also if Ngozi and GEJ were not stooges then America would cause more hell. Probably supply terrorists with more weapons to cause wars. Maybe boko Haram vs MEND. They are in Uganda now. If Buhari were president then he would have been overthrown or assassinated by now. Buhari would stand up to imperialism like Mugabe, Gaddaffi, Sankara, and Lumumba.

But it could be disaster capitalism like in Iraq. Did you read the book shock doctine by Naomi Klein? ALso in Dambisa Moyo's book Dead Aid she doesn't talk about most politicians being foreign puppets to the west. If they don't accept aid then they most likely die or get overthrown.

John Stockwell used to work in the CIA. He helped cause the war in Angola:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y
This thing can happen in Nigeria too

igbo2011:

@morpheus24
Christianity has kept Nigerians waiting for sky daddy to save everyone. Also praying all day without doing anything to solve problems. This is why churches are big business. Instead of building schools and hospitals just a bunch of churches. So Nigeria has politically (controlling politicians), economically (IMF/World Bank/ WTO laws benefit the west and debt goes to the west) , and cultural (enslave the mind with religion or media) imperialism. Slaves on our own land. We dn't control our own oil, we sell oil to the west and all the oil money goes to western banks. Then we buy petroleum products. This same economic structure goes with cotton, cocoa, and other commodities. Export cocoa and buy chocolate, export cotton and buy clothing. This goes to almost all African countries. It is a big plantation. Africans have been building whites wealth for 500 years and what do we get from it? No respect, they stole our history and achievements and took it as theirs. Portray us negatively all the time on the media so young hcildren can be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

Africans contributed so much to the world which still goes on today and the only thing we think about for our history is slavery. Check out the sungbo eredo from Benin. 2nd largest man made structure in the world and largest earthwork. Is this in any history books? http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/they-all-look-like-all-them/40200-sungbo-eredo-nigerias-hidden-wonder.html

If we knew our own history and stopped doing Christianity then we would be in a better situation then we are now. Not just Africa but around the world.

And now you have shared this glorious knowledge with us. What am I supposed to do with it?

Define who you are, don't let someone else do that for you. There in lies the true beginnings of the African renaissance

Morphes says " everything begins with choice" not "cause and effect"

I will carry out a simple exercise to cross out all the sentimental crap that has no bearing on the topic at hand.

cap28:

[s]Your blissful ignorance is terrifying - how do you function on a daily basis?  

you have just posted SOMEONE's OPINION and you are now trying to pass it off as fact and logic - are you sane at all?

how many times do you want me to point out to you that Charles Taylor was a creation of the CIA and not Muammar Qadaffi?

why have you closed your eyes to the role that the US govt played in creating this monster?

why have you completely exonerated them from any blame but have chosen instead to home in on Qadaffi?

Why cant you explain to me how it was that Charles Taylor was able to escape from a maximum security prison in the US and surface a few years later in Liberia with millions of dollars in cash and arms?

You obviously have zero knowledge or understanding of history or you wouldnt make such breathtakingly dumb statements - it appears you know absolutely nothing about the role that the  europeans and americans have played in the genocide of black people - every single war that has been fought in africa has been incited and funded by americans and europeans and still in your fog of ignorance you accuse me of being paranoid about white racism - did  you know that the ongoing war in the Congo has claimed the lives of over 6 milion congolese people since 1996  and guess who incited it?  can you also guess who is selling arms to both sides in the conflict?

Did you know that the US govts official policy on world population control is set out in a US state dept document entitled NSSM 200 -  published in 1974 - the document sets out ways in which africa can be depopulated in order for america to have easy access to the natural resources of the various african nations.

did you know that some of the recommended mechanisms for the depopulation of african nations were: war, famine , use of biological warfare and economic control through debt enslavement?

i dont even know where to start educating you because your ignorance and s.tupidity is so vast.

You must be one of those dim witted nigerians that just sleep walk their way through life until reality smacks them in the face.

Being aware of racism does not equate to low self esteem or paranoia it equates to self empowerment through knowledge of the truth.

Perhaps all those black people that were beheaded and massacred by your NATO backed al qaeda friends in libya were suffering from low self esteem and paranoia - may be thats why they ended up being slaughtered by those NATO backed lynch mobs.

im done with you - you are too far gone in your ignorance, i am more likely to get more sense out of a brick wall.[/s]

Great!

Now Crap 28, would you be kind enough to post something based on cold, hard logic? Surely, thats not impossible for a grown man, leave the hysterical conspiracy babble to those that bark at tree's. Logic is the Worlds brightest gem, you know.
Thank you.

So far, the following facts remain indelibly established:

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[li]The US sent Charles Taylor to overthrow Sergeant Doe.[/li]
[li]Charles Taylor found the prospect interesting, but the lure of blood daimonds even more so.[/li]
[li]Charles Taylor found a ready ally in Blaise Compaoré.[/li]
[li]Blaise Compaoré introduced Charles Taylor to Gaddaffi.[/li]
[li]Gaddafi was taken in by Charles Taylors plans. They would help him raise a destabilisation force on the cheap that he could use to take over W. Africa.[/li]
[li]Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré quickly came to the conclusion that to realise their evil ambitions, the great Sankara would have to die.[/li]
[li]Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré contacted France, which quickly indicated support and readiness to provide funds and recognition for Compaoré's govt.[/li]
[li]Blaise Compaoré organised a putsch using rebels and mecenaries supplied by Gaddafi.[/li]
[li]Sankara was killed and Blaise Compaoré took over.[/li]
[li]Taylor got his army of Gaddafi supplied mecenaries from Sierra Leone, Gambia, Senegal, Ivory Coast, whom he used to attack Liberia and kick off the civil war.[/li]
[li]Taylor opened up more fronts funded by Gaddafi in all diamond producing areas of W. Africa.[/li]
[li]Nigeria stepped in massively and scuttled their evil plans.[/li]
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Facts verifiable by unambiguously recorded events and solid witness reports back up every point raised above, not the sort of hysterical fuckry that is off the mental health scales that you've been reeling off.

[size=14pt]Sarkozy election campaign was funded by Libya – Gaddafi son

Saif al-Islam threatens to publish details of bank transfers to punish French PM for backing Libyan rebels[/size]


Saif al-Islam Gaddafi: 'Give us back our money.' Photograph: Sabri Elmhedwi/EPA

Muammar Gaddafi's son has claimed that Libya helped finance Nicolas Sarkozy's successful election campaign in 2007, and demanded that the French president return the money to "the Libyan people".

In an interview with the Euronews TV channel, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said Libya had details of bank transfers and was ready to make them public in a move designed to punish Sarkozy for throwing his weight behind opposition forces.

Last week, the Libyan government threatened to reveal a "grave secret" that would bring down Sarkozy, with Saif al-Islam calling him "a clown".

The regime is furious at Sarkozy's efforts to galvanise international action to impose a "no-fly zone" that would prevent Gaddafi from using air power against rebels based in Benghazi.

Asked what he felt about the French president's so far unsuccessful efforts to muster support for military intervention, Saif said: "Sarkozy must first give back the money he took from Libya to finance his electoral campaign. We funded it. We have all the details and are ready to reveal everything. The first thing we want this clown to do is to give the money back to the Libyan people. He was given the assistance so he could help them, but he has disappointed us. Give us back our money."

Libya has yet to release any incriminating evidence but officials hinted last night that they were preparing to do so.

A spokeswoman for the Elysée Palace told the Guardian she had no information or comment about the claim. But Le Monde later quoted a spokesman as saying: "We deny it, quite evidently."

Libyan sources have separately told the Guardian substantial funds were paid into accounts to support Sarkozy's presidential campaign in 2007.

Well-placed sources in Tripoli made clear that the leak of this information was in retaliation for France's leading role in the campaign to impose a no-fly zone and for its unique recognition of the rebel Libyan National Council. "Sarkozy is playing dirty, so we are playing dirty, too," said a senior Libyan source.

The Guardian has been unable to confirm the Libyan claims independently.

French law places strict limits on party donations to candidates. Last year, Sarkozy was hit by a political scandal involving alleged illegal donations to his party funds by France's richest woman, Liliane Bettencourt.

Eyebrows were raised when Gaddafi visited Paris in late 2007 and was permitted to pitch his trademark bedouin tent in the gardens of the Hotel Marigny, the 19th-century mansion close to the Elysée Palace, which hosts visiting VIPs. That triggered a storm of adverse comment about the warmth of his reception by Sarkozy on international human rights day.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/sarkozy-election-campaign-libya-claim

Crap 28, does the above make you look foolish? How does your madmans conspiratorial toolset resolve this?
Lol! A new meaning has been givien to the term, cahoots. Gaddafi saves Afica by supporting European imperialist demons. Who come be demon pass na? Di man wen bring demon abi di demon imsef? Demon na demon and Gaddafi na demon.

Crap 28, this is for you and your fellow rumour mongers! Lol!

[size=14pt]Give us back our money! Saif to Sarkozy.[/size]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqrhqrCDCIg[/flash]

morpheus24:

And now you have shared this glorious knowledge with us. What am I supposed to do with it?

Define who you are, don't let someone else do that for you. There in lies the true beginnings of the African renaissance

Morphes says " everything begins with choice" not "cause and effect"

Spread the knowledge to other people. Knowing is half the battle, then devising ideas to fix it. Most people in Nigeria don't know this.

cap28:

red jasper it appears you didnt read the article properly - Charles Taylor was recruited by the CIA to infiltrate african liberation movements all over africa, spy on Qadaffi and overthrow Samuel Doe - Qadaffi was unwittingly roped into a plot to get rid of Sankara - a plot hatched by the CIA and implemented by Taylor and Campaore. 

what would Qadaffi gain from killing Sankara?

On the other hand the americans and the french had a very big axe to grind with Sankara because of his plan to nationalise the resources of his country and his refusal to take on IMF/world bank loans.

Even if Qadaffi had foreknowledge of america and france's plan to kill Sankara there was nothing he could have done to stop it - he might have even been their next target if he had tried- after all he had been the target of numerous assassination attempts for ovr 20 years.

Thank you I read the article just fine cap28 and it now appears you have decided to conveniently rope this argument between fact and speculation!

The fact is that regardless if Gaddafi had the foreknowledge of America and France's plan, he "wittingly" conspired with Campaore and Taylor to have Sankara murdered.

What would Gaddaffi gain from killing Sankara? The fact that Sankara could not be bought off by any amount of money is one reason for Gaddaffi to want him dead, afterall Gaddafi's main tactic throughout sub-sahara Africa has been to buy influence through the Libyan oil wealth! Nationalization of the resources by Sankara to build a strong, incorruptible black nation with the capacity to influence it's regional neighbors is another underlying motive I suspect Gaddafi would want him dead.

It's only fair now that I speculate, what would cap28 gain from defending Gaddaffi?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55042.0.html Excellent article by one of Nigeria's very own!


http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/chinweizu-2.html More excellence for the dune coon lovers enjoy!


As we see when we begin to explore history we must explore it objectively in it's entire detail!

red jasper:


It's only fair now that I speculate, what would cap28 gain from defending Gaddaffi?

He's impacting the knowledge of the great leaders of Africa that stood against the imperial military and economic Army of the West sent to devastate the "black" man and bring him to his knees in perpetual servitude

ALL HEIL HITL, ,     oh sorry I meant Cap28

Beaf:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/sarkozy-election-campaign-libya-claim

Crap 28, does the above make you look foolish? How does your madmans conspiratorial toolset resolve this?
Lol! A new meaning has been givien to the term, cahoots. Gaddafi saves Afica by supporting European imperialist demons. Who come be demon pass na? Di man wen bring demon abi di demon imsef? Demon na demon and Gaddafi na demon.

actually the above makes you look like the platinum plated im.becile that you are.

have you heard of the word "rapprochement" ? no?

well it means: to reestablish harmonious relations.

Libya entered into a rapprochement with france, britain and america in 2004 - this led to the lifting of the unjust sanctions that had been imposed on Libya for over 15 years.

buying of favours goes on all the time - it goes on in america and britain - in america lobbyists who act on behalf of the multinational corporations buy favours from members of congress in order to ensure that congress implement  policies favourable to their businesses

the same happens here in the UK - the former owner of Harrods Mohammed Al Fayed once famously said that british MPs are like rented LovePeddlers - you can get them to do whatever you want in  parliament provided the price is right.

therefore it should come as no suprise to you that Libya financed Sarkozy's presidential elections in order to secure France'support and backing, what you should really be focusing on is France's utter betrayal of Qadaffi.

What could be worse than betraying someone who actually paid to get you into your current position?

Again i say to you that Qadaffi could not be in cahoots with France if he was planning on introducing a single african currency - a currency i might add that would have put paid to France's economic stranglehold over all of its french west african former colonies.

Neither could he have been in cahoots with the imperialists if he had financed the creation of the African Monetary Fund which would have replaced the IMF - again the replacement of the IMF with the AMF would have ended once and for all europe and america's control over the economies of african nations.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?-

If i have to list the positive things that Qadaffi did for africa i would say that the above two acts indicate that he is a true pan africanist who wanted to end africa's exploitation by europe and america  - shall we contrast that with what your european and american masters have done and are still continuing to do in africa:

toppling /assassination of democratically elected leaders who refuse IMF/world bank debt enslavement and neo liberal economic policies which enrich foreign corporations but impoverish their own people.

using debt slavery to keep african nations economically backward and dependant

sponsoring brutal wars and propping up of tin pot dictators

selling arms to both sides of conflicts which THEY incite and initiate

sponsoring and arming brutal terrorist groups like al qaeda and charles taylor's NPFL  and using them to overthrow and destabilise sovereign nations

invading and bombing nations that refuse to be forced on to the IMF and world bank plantation.

the list is endless,

cap28:

Libya entered into a rapprochement with france, britain and america in 2004 - this led to the lifting of the unjust sanctions that had been imposed on Libya for over 15 years.

buying of favours goes on all the time - it goes on in america and britain - in america lobbyists who act on behalf of the multinational corporations buy favours from members of congress in order to ensure that congress implement policies favourable to their businesses

After saying the above, you should shut up for good. It is stup!d to continue singing Gaddafi's praises as if he was not one of the imperialist phucking Africa in vile ways. He bought favours from those you call the devil? That makes him a devil too in simple logic; a handler of stolen goods is as much a thief as the thief himself.
Contrast that with Sankara who refused to trade, because he was imbued with uprightness, principle, morality, intelligence and love for his people. He was everything Gaddafi never was and even in death, his name remains indelible in the African consciousness; Gaddafi, on the other hand is a rancid dog, spat on, even by his own people.

By the way, the favours Gaddafi buy and sold included the death of Sankara and the amputation of babies limbs in Sierra Leone. The favours Gaddafi traded would have seen him in the Hague like a common criminal, if he had not met an inglorious end.

Your very own words above, show that you cannot see the wood for the trees and sum you up as the psychedelic bum you are, tugging at the loony fringes.

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