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Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 8:39am On Sep 28, 2007
From my inbox, read and enjoy!

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Dehumanizing the Palestinians - by Ali Abunimah

The Israeli cabinet has voted to declare the occupied Gaza
Strip a "hostile entity," thus in its own eyes permitting
itself to cut off the already meager supplies of food,
water, electricity and fuel that it allows the Strip's
inmates to receive. The decision was quickly given backing
by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Israel is the occupying power in the Gaza Strip, despite
having removed its settlers in 2005 and transforming the
area, home to 1.5 million mostly refugee Palestinians,
into the world's largest open-air prison which it besieges
and fires into from the perimeter. Under international law
Israel is responsible for the well-being of the people
whose lives and land it rules.

There have been barely audible bleats of protest from the
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon ("Such a step would be
contrary to Israel's obligations towards the civilian
population under international humanitarian and human
rights law"wink and the European Union ("The [European]
Commission hopes that Israel will not find it necessary
to implement the measures for which the [cabinet] decisions
set the framework yesterday."

What? It hopes that Israel will not find it necessary to
cut off water supplies to 1.5 million people of whom half
are children?

These statements serve only to underline that Israel
operates in a context where the "international community"
has become inured to a discourse of extermination of the
Palestinian people -- political and physical.


Yossi Alpher, for example, a former director of the Jaffee
Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University and
once a special adviser to former Israeli prime minister
Ehud Barak, argued coolly this week that Israel should
murder the democratically-elected leaders who won the
Palestinian legislative election in January 2006 -- calling
for "decapitating the Hamas leadership, both military and
'civilian.'" True, he admitted, there would be a possible
downside: "Israel would again undoubtedly pay a price in
terms of international condemnation, particularly if
innocent civilians were killed," and because "Israel would
presumably be targeting legally elected Hamas officials
who won a fair election." Nevertheless, such condemnation
would be quickly forgotten and, he argued, "this is a mode
of retaliation and deterrence whose effectiveness has been
proven," and thus, this is "an option worth reconsidering."

Alpher incited the murder of democratically-elected
politicians not in a fringe, right-wing journal, but in
the European Union-funded online newsletter Bitterlemons,
which he co-founded along with former Palestinian Authority
minister Ghassan Khatib. What journal would publish a call
by a Palestinian -- or anyone else -- to murder the Israeli
prime minister? Alpher presumably does not worry that he
will be denied visas to travel to conferences in the
European Union, or will fail to receive invitations to
American universities. History tells us that he can feel
confident he will suffer no consequences. Indeed, in the
current political climate, any attempt to exclude Alpher
might even be cast as an attack on academic freedom!

Declarations that reduce Palestinians to bare biological
life that can be extinguished without any moral doubt
are not isolated exceptions. In May, as reported by The
Jerusalem Post, Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi
Mordechai Eliyahu issued a religious ruling to the prime
minister "that there was absolutely no moral prohibition
against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a
potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at
stopping the rocket launchings" (See "Top Israeli rabbis
advocate genocide," The Electronic Intifada, 31 May 2007).
I could find no statement by any prominent Israeli figure
condemning Eliyahu's ruling.

And, in a September 6 blog posting, an advisor to leading
US Republican Presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani argued
for "shutting off utilities to the Palestinian Authority
as well as a host of other measures, such as permitting no
transportation in the PA of people or goods beyond basic
necessities, implementing the death penalty against
murderers, and razing villages from which attacks are
launched." This, the advisor stated, would "impress
Palestinians with the Israeli will to survive, and so bring
closer their eventual acceptance of the Jewish state."
(See: "Giuliani Advisor: Raze Palestinian Villages," by Ken
Silverstein, Harper's Magazine, 14 September 2007) Giuliani
faced no calls from other candidates to dismiss the advisor
for advocating ethno-religiously motivated war crimes.
Indeed the presence of such a person in his campaign might
even be an electoral asset.

The latest Israeli government declaration comes as
Palestinians this week marked the 25th anniversary of the
massacres in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut, in
which the Israeli occupation army and political leadership
were full participants. We can reflect that Israel's
dehumanization of Palestinians and other Arabs, its near
daily killing of children, destruction of communities and
racist apartheid against millions of people has been so
normalized that if those massacres occurred today Israel
would not need to go through the elaborate exercise of
denying its culpability. Indeed, the "international
community" might barely notice.

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Co-founder of The Electronic Intifada, Ali Abunimah is
author of One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-
Palestinian Impasse (Metropolitan Books, 2006).

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Can there be peace with injustices abound? I think not.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Tornadoz(m): 11:12am On Sep 28, 2007
Peace ke?
Israel is by far the most aggressive and savage country on earth.
They recently bombed a site in Syria, accusing Syria of trying to build nuclear weapon. Am still waiting for Israel to strike Iran with its resultant consequents. The people that gave us the 2rd world war are ready for an encore.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Iman3(m): 11:23am On Sep 28, 2007
@Tornadoz

So Israel is more aggresive than Sudan which has murdered over 2 million Africans in South and West Sudan over the past 2 decades?
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 2:21pm On Sep 28, 2007
I-man:

@Tornadoz

So Israel is more aggresive than Sudan which has murdered over 2 million Africans in South and West Sudan over the past 2 decades?

Sudan? Please, don't divert attention to the issues raised in the article.

You can start a thread on Sudan if you want.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 8:39pm On Sep 28, 2007
Afam:

The Israeli cabinet has voted to declare the occupied Gaza
Strip a "hostile entity,"

What else do you call a people who have your destruction as their primary objective and fire an estimated 1500 rockets over a couple of months at your hospitals and kindergarten schools? A friendly territory?

Afam:

thus in its own eyes permitting
itself to cut off the already meager supplies of food,
water, electricity and fuel that it allows the Strip's
inmates to receive. The decision was quickly given backing
by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

the usual boohoo from the hypocrites who so love the oh so poor palestinians. Why is Egypt not supplying Gaza food, water, electricity, fuel (paid for by the EU)? Would you encourage Nigeria to continue supplying FREE OF CHARGE services to a nation whose main target is your ultimate destruction?

Afam:

Israel is the occupying power in the Gaza Strip, despite
having removed its settlers in 2005

The Gazans voted for Hamas, Hamas violently took over the entire Gaza strip a few months ago and yet people still parrot the untruth that Isreal is an occupying power in the Gaza strip? The ony occupying force i see there are the Hamas.

Afam:

and transforming the
area, home to 1.5 million mostly refugee Palestinians,
into the world's largest open-air prison which it besieges
and fires into from the perimeter.

Ali, even a 5yr old would be hard pressed to find any truth and objectivity in your write up. How did Isreal turn Gaza into an open air prison? Why has Egypt shut its own borders to Gaza?

You claim that Isreal besieges and fires into Gaza, did you forget all the quassams and katyusha rockets fired into Isreal daily? Are we really expecting Isreal to just sit by and allow its citizens to continue living in bomb shelters while you hypocrites say nothing? Only to pop up to complain when they retaliate?

Afam:

Under international law
Israel is responsible for the well-being of the people
whose lives and land it rules.

Under NO law is Isreal responsible for a people who duly went to the polls to elect their own government neither does Isreal rule the lives and lands of the Gazans.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Iman3(m): 10:01pm On Sep 28, 2007
Afam:

Sudan? Please, don't divert attention to the issues raised in the article.
You can start a thread on Sudan if you want.

The man said that Israel is the most aggresive and savage nation on earth even though on the African continent,Sudan has caused the death of 2 million of its indigenous African citizens.

If I start thread on Sudan,nobody go show interest.I dey wonder whether na Arabs full this forum or Africans
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by chidichris(m): 11:52pm On Sep 28, 2007
it is unfortunate that this same idiot have never posted anything to condeme the kidnap of isreali people by hamas and hezeboulah, he has showed blind eyes over the reckless rockets fired into isreal without targets.
he has remained dumb to the statement of iran president calling for isreal to be wiped out of the surface of the earth rather he praised the iran president calling him the wisest president he has ever seen.
even in the un, it is constitutional the nations has the right to defend herself.
no human being will spare a man after his life.
given the military powers of isreal, 90% of the countries of the world cannot take what isreal has been taking in the hands of hamas and hezaboulah.
i am here to remind you that isreal never act rather they re-act, they always respond to attacks.
if isreal is mad like you and your source claim, why haven't isreal attack, kuwait, iraq, jordan, uae, saudi arabia and other countries within the golf.
yesterday, it was hezaboulah and isreal, today it is hazeboulah and lebanese gov - why?
it is either isreal and hamas or hamas and fatah - why?
for you afam, you will respect isreal if they keep silent to all attacks as you once mentioned here that war is not a solution to terrorism but u refused to give the solution.
afam, a promise was made to someone in the bible saying, i will course him that course u. i suggest you watch your ways.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Iman3(m): 11:54pm On Sep 28, 2007
Palestinians are being de-humanised?It wouldn't be the same people who receive $1billion per annum in foreign aid,more than 10 times per capita what Africans in war zones receive from the international community.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by ochocinco1(m): 12:30am On Sep 29, 2007
I-man I bet those Palestinians would substitute all that aid for
getting their land back.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Iman3(m): 12:39am On Sep 29, 2007
ocho cinco:

I-man I bet those Palestinians would substitute all that aid for
getting their land back.

They are not the only people who purpotedly have their land stolen.Don't Tibetans,enslaved Africans in Mauritania and Nubian tribesmen in Sudan want their land back too?All the Africans who have been disenfranchised should also get multi-million dollar aid packages while their issues remain unresolved.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 2:30am On Sep 29, 2007
ocho cinco:

I-man I bet those Palestinians would substitute all that aid for
getting their land back.

which land? When the supposed land was in the hands of Egypt and Jordan for 19 years why were they not demanding to have it back?
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 5:35am On Sep 29, 2007
davidylan:

which land? When the supposed land was in the hands of Egypt and Jordan for 19 years why were they not demanding to have it back?

May be because they didn't see Egypt and Jordan as enemies and more importantly they were not being killed and maimed by these countries.

Unfortunately though, many have taken sides already on this issue based on race and religion so it is almost impossible to see debate based on reason and in an objective manner too.

How many of us will stand by and clap for people that take our lands and turn us into refugees in our own lands, kill our parents, brothers, sisters etc, jail our brothers?

The last time I checked the people of Palestine were not the ones responsible for what Hitler did so why should they be paying the price of what someone or countries did to the Jews?

I hope someone will be able to answer this question without playing to the gallery.

Many prefer to ask rhetorical questions, very few bother to discuss the root cause of the problem and a bastard like chidichris (more like a dog and a pig put together) that is obviously a confused slowpoke will put down nonsense with his badly structured english and hoping to make sense. With the level of reasoning being displayed here only God knows what this thing is doing in Dubai and that is if it is even true that he is there as people lie everyday on the internet. Abi dem dey allow prisoners free access to the internet for there?
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Iman3(m): 6:02am On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:

May be because they didn't see Egypt and Jordan as enemies and more importantly they were not being killed and maimed by these countries.

Well. . . .its obvious you haven't learnt about history.Jordan in particular,has been responsible for tens of thousands of Palestinian deaths since time immermorial.Actually,over the past 3 decades,more Palestinians have died in the hands of Arab Govts than in the hands of Israel.

Unfortunately though, many have taken sides already on this issue based on race and religion so it is almost impossible to see debate based on reason and in an objective manner too.
People have also taken sides because of their anti-Western bias leading them to focus on issues with which they can lampoon the West,especially the US.

How many of us will stand by and clap for people that take our lands and turn us into refugees in our own lands, kill our parents, brothers, sisters etc, jail our brothers?

Such simplistic analysis should be left for simpletons.Many Israeli Jews are refugees from Arab land.It was not Israel that first sought a military solution,it was the Arabs.

The last time I checked the people of Palestine were not the ones responsible for what Hitler did so why should they be paying the price of what someone or countries did to the Jews?

Again. . .your knowledge of history is appalling.Learn about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-Mohammad Amin al-Husayni.Many Palestinians worked assiduously with Hitler.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 6:30am On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:

May be because they didn't see Egypt and Jordan as enemies and more importantly they were not being killed and maimed by these countries.

grin grin grin This very ill-thought and unreasonable response completely wipes out whatever is left of your credibility. So because the "palestinian refugees" did not see the Egyptians and Jordanians as enemies it was fully ok for those countries to annex the land (the one they now cry themselves hoarse over!) and make them "refugees" in their own land?  shocked How preposterous!!

Just a brief piece of history for you: September 1970 is known as the Black September in Arab history and sometimes is referred to as the "era of regrettable events." It was a month when Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash an attempt by Palestinian organizations to overthrow his monarchy. The violence resulted in the killing of 7,000 to 8,000 from both sides.[1] Armed conflict lasted until July 1971 [s]with the expulsion of the PLO and thousands of Palestinians to Lebanon[/s].

Now here is where it gets even more ridiculous, "palestinian" arabs are arguing that part of the peace deal with Isreal MUST include a right of return for over 4 million "refugees" into Isreal. BUT the present state of Jordan is 80% of the old palestinian land taken over by the British government after the fall of the Ottoman empire. Why are these fake palestinians silent when Jordan expels them from their country? Is Jordan no longer part of the old palestine? why the discriminatory focus on Isreal which makes up a mere less than 20% of the old Palestine?

Afam:

Unfortunately though, many have taken sides already on this issue based on race and religion so it is almost impossible to see debate based on reason and in an objective manner too.

It is clear who is unable to see the debate based on reason and in an objective manner. Your first comment just blows whatever pretense at objectivity you might have out of the water.

Afam:

How many of us will stand by and clap for people that take our lands and turn us into refugees in our own lands, kill our parents, brothers, sisters etc, jail our brothers?

When Egypt and Jordan took the Gaza strip and the WestBank (that Jordan annexed from Isreal during the war of independence of 1948!), expelled "palestinian refugees" to Lebanon and turned the rest into refugees on that land where were you and your fellow anti-semitic hypocrites?

Afam:

The last time I checked the people of Palestine were not the ones responsible for what Hitler did so why should they be paying the price of what someone or countries did to the Jews?

I-man has effectively answered this question. The "palestinians" are not paying any price but that which they and their arab "brothers" have heaped on themselves. Jordan took 80% of the land of palestine that the arabs claim as their own, yet they are still fighting Isreal for a meagre 20%. Why are they not fighting the Jordanians?

Afam:

I hope someone will be able to answer this question without playing to the gallery.

We just did, we only hope you wont as usual when you get stuck revert to the tired old MO of using adhominems to dig yourself out of a hole.

Afam:

Many prefer to ask rhetorical questions, very few bother to discuss the root cause of the problem and a bastard like chidichris (more like a dog and a pig put together) that is obviously a confused slowpoke will put down nonsense with his badly structured english and hoping to make sense. With the level of reasoning being displayed here only God knows what this thing is doing in Dubai and that is if it is even true that he is there as people lie everyday on the internet. Abi them dey allow prisoners free access to the internet for there?

Your own level of reasoning as displayed in your last post is also a cause for serious concern.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 7:14am On Sep 29, 2007
@I-man & Davidylan,

I sincerely thought that reasonable people would respond to the post, I wasn't expecting to read the usual nonsense from the 2 of you.

Making more than 2 sentences in this reply will bring a semblance of seriousness to your posts which you clearly don't deserve.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by romeo(m): 1:52pm On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:



Many prefer to ask rhetorical questions, very few bother to discuss the root cause of the problem and a bastard like chidichris ([b]more like a dog and a pig put together) that is obviously a confused slowpoke will put down nonsense with his badly structured english and hoping to make sense. With the level of reasoning being displayed here only God knows what this thing is doing in Dubai and that is if it is even true that he is there as people lie everyday on the internet. Abi them dey allow prisoners free access to the internet for there?
[/b]

Mr man you are manner less, and who ever told you that chidicris is from England lied to you because i know that chidi is an igbo name, i understood perfectly what he wrote and your intention of striking a below the belt punch was so stupid and childish, Is Dubai heaven now? your own reasoning is worse than anything i have come across here in nairaland

such a nitwit sad
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 2:12pm On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:

@I-man & Davidylan,

I sincerely thought that reasonable people would respond to the post, I wasn't expecting to read the usual nonsense from the 2 of you.

Making more than 2 sentences in this reply will bring a semblance of seriousness to your posts which you clearly don't deserve.

Cant say i'm surprised. No attempt to address your gaffe's instead you prefer to bury urself under a deluge of misplaced self importance and adhominems.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 2:28pm On Sep 29, 2007
@remeo,

Little wonder you understood perfectly what chidichris wrote, your thought process is as fantastic as his. And for not even having anything to write on the issue I guess it is safe to see you as another slowpoke looking for cheap attention, silly.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 2:32pm On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:

@remeo,

Little wonder you understood perfectly what chidichris wrote, your thought process is as fantastic as his. And for not even having anything to write on the issue I guess it is safe to see you as another slowpoke looking for cheap attention, silly.

As is typical with every "from my inbox" thread from Afam. No attempt to see opposing views and all end up with Afam insulting those who have a different oppinion. You sir are a disgrace.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by romeo(m): 9:39pm On Sep 29, 2007
Afam:

@r[b]emeo[/b],

Little wonder you understood perfectly what chidichris wrote, your thought process is as fantastic as his. And for not even having anything to write on the issue I guess it is safe to see you as another slowpoke looking for cheap attention, silly.

My name is Romeo and not remeo, and how come everyone else is a slowpoke to you? is it because you are the highest ranked slowpoke in Nairaland
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 10:58pm On Sep 29, 2007
romeo:

My name is Romeo and not remeo, and how come everyone else is a slowpoke to you? is it because you are the highest ranked slowpoke in Nairaland

Was the last part of the nonsense you put down a question or a statement? Take a second look at it and make it clear abeg.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by romeo(m): 8:18am On Sep 30, 2007
Afam:

Was the last part of the nonsense you put down a question or a statement? Take a second look at it and make it clear abeg.

how can such a half witted thing like you understand it?, question ends with a question mark (?)
puto maricon de mierda wink
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by chidichris(m): 8:46am On Sep 30, 2007
Romeo,
pls forgive afam bcs he is so short sighted. if you go through all his posts here, they are based on "copy and paste" which makes it practical another man's reasoning instead of his.
he is beclouded by the anambra/enugu factor.
people who have meet people have diverse experience and in igbo land there is an adage which says, a traveller is more enlightened than and old man at home.
afam is trying but he is handicapped.
i have suggested many times for him to take a trip to cotonou and come back even if it is for two nights so that he can begin to reason like a normal person.
what do u expect from a man who does not know the electricity can be uninterupted for 24 hrs talkless of months or years. what do u expect from a man who is used to pot-holes on expressways. a man who is used to hearing or seeing robers on daily bases?
do u think those people in is siera leone and liberia reason as normal people do. an afam who is so used to drinking anything liquide in the name of water, eating from even the dust bin in the name of a resturant, buying and using fake and expired goods and drugs,wow, what a short sighted ape?
afam is just a coursed man in bondage, very very unexposed to the goodness of life so how can he reason like a normal person.
my submission on this is, afam is clever based on his environment so if he is exposed to a better and conducive environment, he will be a wonderful chap.
if there is speciality on this forum or if i will be allowed to suggest, afam is surposed to be discussing on issues concerning chuba okadigo, jim nwobodo, alex ekwueme, zik of africa, odimegwu ojukwu, chris uba, andy uba and other issues that have to do with local politics because he is a local man who has little or nothing reasonable to offer at international standard. experience they say is the best teacher, what experience do u have afam on other people outside nigeria?
because u are less informed on topics you post here, that is why u will always resort to insults instead of driving home your points.
challange me on any topic i post here and let us argue wisely outlining out points one by one and at the end of the day neutral people here will judge us based on our points.
on the other hand, choose any of your topics and we can discuss and argue on it as i indictaed above and u will begin to understand that you are very well less informed.
one thing u do not know that in every country of this world(except Iran) there are recognised oposition so the idea of presnting us here always with oposition posts in your "copy and paste" have surely reduce your reasoning ability as most of them do not even come with ur personal opinion.
i suggest u have a rethink.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by romeo(m): 8:52am On Sep 30, 2007
chidichris:

he is beclouded by the anambra/enugu factor.

please what is the Anambra/Enugu factor?
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 2:43pm On Sep 30, 2007
@chidichris,

Thanks for the offer but I will let it pass, I wouldn't want to get to your level, keep wallowing in the ocean of ignorance.

romeo:

please what is the Anambra/Enugu factor?

I am also interested in knowing, oya slowpoke chidichris answer the question.

I am expecting the usual incoherent explanation, shoot.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by chidichris(m): 10:32pm On Sep 30, 2007
Romeo,
what i mearnt by anambra/enugu factor is his area of jurisdiction. this is in relation to his experience with the people he meet.
examining a situation where a child is born in anambra, raised in anambra as in primary, secondary and if possible university all in anambra/enugu.
the truth of the matter is interacting with people of different cultuaral backgrounds and beliefs helps in life so for the so called afam whose life has been anambralised, we can't continue blaming him because he can't see beyond his sight.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 10:46pm On Sep 30, 2007
Afam:

@chidichris,

Thanks for the offer but I will let it pass, I wouldn't want to get to your level, keep wallowing in the ocean of ignorance.

Based on your responses to the very topic you started it is clear who is the one swimming in the ocean of ignorance. Its just sad that you allow your blind arrogance to decieve you into thinking you actually sound intelligent.

Afam:

I am also interested in knowing, oya slowpoke chidichris answer the question.

I am expecting the usual incoherent explanation, shoot.

It was only a matter of time before you couched your crass ignorance with adhominems. Once again no one is surprised that this topic has ended up in the rubbish heap of mediocrity and ignorance.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by romeo(m): 5:14am On Oct 01, 2007
chidichris:

Romeo,
what i mearnt by anambra/enugu factor is his area of jurisdiction. this is in relation to his experience with the people he meet.

examining a situation where a child is born in anambra, raised in anambra as in primary, secondary and if possible university all in anambra/enugu.
the truth of the matter is interacting with people of different cultuaral backgrounds and beliefs helps in life so for the so called afam whose life has been anambralised, we can't continue blaming him because he can't see beyond his sight.


Thanks Chidi grin grin
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 6:01am On Oct 01, 2007
I am seeing a new trend here, people who feel they know better because they are outside Nigeria, hmm.

I think this is very misleading considering the fact that some of these people are actually in foreign lands as illegal immigrants, do odd jobs just to make ends meet or even do all manner of dirty jobs to be able to survive. Some of them only interact with their relations who they may be hiding in their homes or employers that simple dish out orders to them which they carry out without questions.

These set of people can only impress people who depend on them or look up to them for help or for assistance, that is where the story ends and it is important that they are aware of this.

According to chidichris, he lives in Dubai and visits Iran at least once in 3 months and to him as someone that currently resides outside Nigeria he has a sound understanding of the world around him and advices others to travel out so they will be like him.

I have asked before and will ask again, I will like to know what this guy does in Dubai because I am really interested in knowing the type of job that has a very low level requirement in terms of IQ, after all if chidichris can be doing that job, a lot of idiots can as well get similar jobs in Dubai.

If you take a pig to the US, it doesn't change the fact that the pig will remain a pig. A slowpoke can travel to every single country of the world and come out a bigger slowpoke because in reality the person may be more confused based on his inability to process so many information at the same time.

Those who tend to assuage their egos by bragging about living outside Nigeria should realize that there are some Nigerians living in Nigeria who don't give a damn about them because we know that some of them are liabilities to their host countries, some of them hide all through their stay in those lands and are being hunted by the police everyday, some do very dirty and odd jobs, save a year's earning and in they have enough money for ticket come home and enjoy the money for about 2 weeks in Nigeria only to go back and start another round of yearly saving.

So, feel free to feel cool about being outside Nigeria but your level of reasoning summarizes everything about you, simple.

@davidylan,

For the simple fact that you have been exposed on this forum for using multiple IDs I see you as a student who will ultimately end up being a scam artiste as that is how it starts. If you don't have a criminal tendency in you there is no way you will be hiding under different user IDs on a public discussion forum.

Keep imagining that you make sense, I have long decided not to take time to debunk some of your outright lies because you benefit all the time as the confusion is cleared up but I have this feeling that you are better off with those positions of yours in almost everything you ever get involved in.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Nobody: 6:30am On Oct 01, 2007
Afam:

I am seeing a new trend here, people who feel they know better because they are outside Nigeria, hmm.

I am seeing a much worse trend here, people who put up threads on topics they cannot defend and know nothing about.

Afam:

@davidylan,
Keep imagining that you make sense, I have long decided not to take time to debunk some of your outright lies because you benefit all the time as the confusion is cleared up but I have this feeling that you are better off with those positions of yours in almost everything you ever get involved in.

The truth is that you have decided not to take out time to "debunk" my "outright lies" because you dont know better. You are so clueless on topics you constantly poke your nauseating self into that it is now verging on the outright ridiculous.
It is not enough to label my oppinions as "outright lies", if you know the "outright truth" then pls tell us. You post a topic on the Palestinians and yet you dont even know the history of palestine. You claim palestinians dont see Jordanians as enemies when as far back as 1970, more than 7000 palestinians were killed and expelled by Jordan.

That you can claim that such a well documented FACT is an outright lie says so much about your IQ and credibility.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by Afam(m): 7:29am On Oct 01, 2007
davidylan:

I am seeing a much worse trend here, people who put up threads on topics they cannot defend and know nothing about.

The truth is that you have decided not to take out time to "debunk" my "outright lies" because you don't know better. You are so clueless on topics you constantly poke your nauseating self into that it is now verging on the outright ridiculous.
It is not enough to label my oppinions as "outright lies", if you know the "outright truth" then please tell us. You post a topic on the Palestinians and yet you don't even know the history of palestine. You claim palestinians don't see Jordanians as enemies when as far back as 1970, more than 7000 palestinians were killed and expelled by Jordan.

That you can claim that such a well documented FACT is an outright lie says so much about your IQ and credibility.

Go back and read the statement you seem to be having problems with. If you think like a human being should then you will understand that single statement. The statement has not been updated or changed.

However, for the interest of others you may want to mislead with your posts I will attempt to explain the statement.

May be the people of Palestine don't see Jordanians are their enemies.

You are not in a position to decide for a people who they should see as their enemies based on what happens to them. Put differently, that Mr A slapped you and you smiled back doesn't give Mr B the right to slap you.

The people of Palestine reserve the right to react in any way they deem fit to attacks or bad treatment from any nation.

So, that Jordan seized their lands and/or killed them does not give Israel the right to do same and more importantly does not mean that Palestinians should or must tolerate the actions of Israel since they did not use nuclear weapon on Jordan.

In all honesty, do I expect you to understand the content above? No. I know your type and I think I understand how you see things, fundamentalist like you do not understand anything but wars, bloodshed and lies.

Keep changing user IDs like a scammer, it's in the blood. Dealing with common criminals like you is not new, you are not the first and certainly you won't be the last.
Re: Dehumanizing The Palestinians - By Ali Abunimah by osereka(m): 9:30am On Oct 01, 2007
ALL THE ARGUMENTS
points to one thing
sentiments!

christianity, islam, judaism
all condems terrorism in any form

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