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Reverseng:
All things didn't just come into being out of some misguided scientific theories. All things were created by the Creator.

Who created the Creator then?

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Reverseng:
The creator is the source. The beginning and the end

How can we reach him?
Is praying enough ?

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Reverseng:
Science doesn't acknowledge The creator.
that's why science is incomplete.

To be honest with you, I think science is the very beginning of creation.

Science means the use of the senses, and this is shown in the In the very beginning when God is written to have created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

See that bold part? That is God using his senses to survey where his creation will be. Its the same way you will use your senses to survey your land before you start to decide what you will build on it. If you do not use your senses to survey your land you'd likely build it wrong and on sand, and we all know what happens to such buildings.

You definitely can not possibly "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" if you did not use your senses, and that is you doing science.

P.s. buda is an unbelieving atheist, and Jesus the scientist and ultimate user of his senses is indeed Lord and saviour of the world, along with Buddha and Mohammed and Isaac Newton and seun the creator of Nairaland and Fela Anikulapo Kuti.

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Reverseng:
You did not read my post

I actually did read your post at least 4 times, first when I first responded, second with my last response, and again now before this response and a couple of times in between. And the only reason you think I did not read what you wrote is because you do not understand what I have written that I am certain you did read.

See the below?

Reverseng:
?Why haven't scientist acknowledge Giants?
All scientist are forced to agree that humans evolve from apes...and that's the false knowledge that forced on our children nowadays

If science acknowledge Giants existed,

This shows you do not know what you are talking about, because no scientist will tell you or agree that "humans evolved from apes" even if you tried to force them to, because humans did most definitely not evolve from apes, but humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. And no scientist will tell you or acknowledge that giants existed, because there is no scientific evidence (as in no one has come across any evidence) that humans significantly larger than the average height have ever existed, and neither can you provide evidence that they ever did exist. And that is why I have given you a definition of science as the use of your own senses, instead of you merely believing what you were told or read.

A very precise Biblical definition of science would actually be, "ask and knock and seek with all your heart and soul and mind", which a certain alleged only begotten Son of a certain Creator taught. If Christ had not used his own senses, he would have not known better and would have ignorantly eaten stones, and would have stupidly bowed down to worship satan in exchange for all the kingdoms of the world, and would have bashed his head on the rocks and died when he threw himself off the mountain. But because he used his own senses to learn, he was intelligent enough to say "Get away Satan! It is written: The Lord, your God, shall you worship and him alone shall you serve".

The very first person we read of in the Bible to do science is God. He can not have created anything if he had not used his senses, and you can go check for yourself to see if there is science involved in the universe or not. The mathematic involved might amaze you. The very second scientist in the Bible is Eve, who did not stupidly ignorantly believe that the eating of the fruits of knowledge would kill her, but instead used her senses to check if what that stupid ignorant naked Adam had told her was true or not. Only to find the fruit was good for food and pleasing to the eye (senses), and also desirable for gaining wisdom (with her senses), so also gave sense to her Adam who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes (senses) of both of them were opened, and they realized (sensed) they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together (did science) and made coverings for themselves, and went on to free themselves from slavery and Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it and rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground, and also populate the earth with you and I and billions since.

If you do not do science, as in, use your senses, you will be ignorant and naked and enslaved like Adam, and you will most definitely not Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it or rule over anything but some tiny poxy garden in which you will be a naked slave to its owner, and you will definitely not be using the product of science to throw your voice over likely thousands of miles so it can be sensed by me with my senses. And if you live in a country that is full of people that do not use their senses, you will buy tokunbo because you can not make your own, and you will worship the book of the gods created by those who use their senses, and you will cry Nepa! Instead of saying "there is light, and will most likely not live as long as those in countries that value the use of their senses.

Now, I do not expect what you just read to make much sense to you yet, but if you use your own senses to do science (as in reflect) on it, the holy spirit that is inside you (your developed sense), might minister to you so you might sense, and then greater things than he did shall you do, and you'd likely live longer too. Amen.

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Reverseng:
1) Human sense is limited.

That is why you must continue to perfect your senses so that your father who art in heaven is glorified by your great works, instead of not developing your senses and not using your senses at all and becoming an ignorant naked slave.

If you do not develop the little sense you might have to reduce its limit, even the little sense that you have will taken from you and will be given to those who use their senses to enslave you like Adam was enslaved in a garden.

Reverseng:
Adam and Eve story is flawed. Your bible is propaganda that gives power to the church, same way news media gives power to the government one way or the other

Read my misconceptions of the Bible post

Link please.

But before I read it, know that the Adam and Eve made up story is not flawed, though it can and has been used as propaganda.

The Adam and Eve clearly shows how depriving you of knowledge will transform you from "equally in the image of God" to a mere naked ignorant alimanjeri slave created from mud, which is what a propagandist will tell you so you can be their slave.

But if you use your own senses to ask and knock and seek for understanding for yourself, you will learn how to free yourself from naked slavery and restore yourself back into the Image of the God you were created in and you will rule and subdue and multiply and be powerful.

All that other stuff I have not commented on is neither here nor there.

Reverseng:
They've lied about everything. You have your ability to question reality. Use it well instead of believing dead men who are too dead to correct their mistakes or too proud to, even if they're still alive.

The meaning of the bold is, do the science with your own senses to ask and knock and seek for understanding, instead of stupidly believing.

The writers of the Bible did not lie. They merely wrote a science book that was based on their understanding at the time. And being humans, their understanding was flawed, or rather, incomplete.

If you use your senses' ability to question reality, you will understand that when you believe, you merely "think like a child and reason like a child". But you will eventually become a full grown adult and grow in understanding and "put away childish beliefs." "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; [but] then we shall see face to face. Now we know in part; then we shall know fully, even as I am fully known".

Adam stupidly ignorantly believed, while Eve used her senses to question beliefs so that she may know. And the truth she learnt set them free from slavery in the Garden of Eden.

Reverseng:
Scientist love to be the authority on science because it gives them power.

After reading your post again, I'm going to inform you that no scientist has authority on science, because experience has shown that whatever scientific discovery you come up with today, someone is likely to come along in the future and either debunk it or do better science that you've done.

The reason for this is every scientific discovery is like the peeling of an onion that reveals more peels underneath.

Newton reigned undisputed for
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/05/29/this-is-how-100-years-ago-a-solar-eclipse-proved-einstein-right-and-newton-wrong/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/newton-theory

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Reverseng:
Most scientists are atheist.

This is very not true. And you would know it is not true if you bothered to verify with your own senses!

Many scientists have been Christians, including:

Albert Einstein: Although he didn't identify as a Christian Scientist, he studied Science and Health, visited Christian Science churches and reading rooms, and his son became a Christian Scientist.

André-Marie Ampère: A devout Christian who read extensively on natural philosophy and science.

Hildegard of Bingen: Known as Saint Hildegard and Sibyl of the Rhine, she is considered the founder of scientific natural history in Germany.

Isaac Newton: His strong faith in God is evident in his writings.

Johannes Kepler: A creationist scientist who established the scientific discipline of celestial mechanics.

Joseph Lister: A creationist scientist who established the scientific discipline of antiseptic surgery.

Louis Pasteur: A creationist scientist who established the scientific discipline of bacteriology.

Rosalind Picard: An artificial intelligence expert who became a Christian as a teenager.

Troy Van Voorhis: A chemistry professor who became a Christian while a grad student at Berkeley.

Other notable Christian scientists include:
Robert Grosseteste, Nicholas Steno, Nicolaus Copernicus, Gregor Mendel, Lavoisier, Vesalius, and Cauchy.

Google!

Reverseng:
One of that scientist was Walter Russell. Go look up Walter Russell periodic table and compare to Mendeleev. He tried to share his scientific work with the science 'community' but he was shunned because his work acknowledged the supreme Creator.

Walter Bowman Russell (May 19, 1871 – May 19, 1963) was an American impressionist painter (of the Boston School),[citation needed] sculptor, mystic and author. Russell wrote extensively on science topics, but his ideas were rejected by scientists.
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Walter Russell was not a scientist, Reverseng. And his ideas were only rejected because they could not stand up to the scrutiny of the senses of others, which is a fundamental aspect of the sciences.

If I make a scientific claim that water boils at 0⁰c, I must demonstrate that it does boils at 0⁰c, and show how it did boils at 0⁰c, and others must be able to come to my same conclusion by following the method I used to boil water at 0⁰c. And if they can't boils water at 0⁰c using the same method I used, they will have no reason whatsoever to accept what I call the science of boiling water at 0⁰c, and neither can I force them to accept it.

Reverseng:
Your senses are limited. You can't see all forms of light

Russell claimed to have experienced a transformational and revelatory event in May 1921, which he later described in a chapter called "The Story of My Illumining" in the 1950 edition of his Home Study Course. "During that period...I could perceive all motion," and was newly "aware of all things."
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Can Russell see all forms of light, and "perceive all motion", and be "aware of all things" because they are revealed only to his own unlimited senses and no one elses?

Sorry, but you have no knowledge nor understanding of science, and I strongly suggest you rectify your deficiency by using your senses, or you must expect your ideas to be rejected by those of us who do use our senses.

I have included Walter Russell's periodic table below. You might want to show me the chemistry that has been produced with it please, while you are at it.

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If the above is your science, the only response I can give can be found in the link below with apologies for the implied disregard.

https://www.nairaland.com/5458081/been-lied-earth-flat-not#82923640