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Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by Nobody: 12:45pm On Dec 24, 2011


Prince Faisal Bin Abdullah Al-Saud, whom this report names as being responsible for the contents of the textbooks, said he didn't know how those ideas got in there.

Qur'an 5:33 prescribes the amputation of hands and feet on opposite sides for "waging war against Allah," and "spreading corruption (or mischief) in the land." Six Saudis were recently sentenced to this punishment. Qur'an 5:38 prescribes amputation for theft.

More on the unending stream of Islamic supremacism and Sharia's brutality found in Saudi textbooks. "Extremist Teachings Remain in Saudi Textbooks Despite Kingdom's Claims of Reform," by Catherine Herridge for Fox News, December 21:

Despite Saudi Arabia's promises to clean up textbooks in the kingdom, recent editions continue to raise alarms in the West over jihadist language.

The recent editions were obtained by the Institute for Gulf Affairs in Washington, D.C., and the translations were first provided to Fox News.

“This is where terrorism starts, in the education system.” Ali Al-Ahmed, director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, told Fox News. Al-Ahmed, a Saudi national, said the textbooks, made and paid for by the Saudi government, were smuggled out of the kingdom through confidential sources.

In a textbook for 10th-graders, printed for the 2010-2011 academic year, al-Ahmed said teenagers are taught barbaric practices. “They show students how to cut (the) hand and the feet of a thief,” he said. In another textbook, for ninth-graders, the students are taught the annihilation of the Jewish people is imperative. One text reads in part: “The hour (of judgment) will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. , There is a Jew behind me come and kill him.”

Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177: "Allah's Apostle said, The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'."

According to the textbook translations provided to Fox News, women are described as weak and irresponsible. And al-Ahmed said the textbooks call for homosexuals to be put to death "because they pose a danger at society, as the Saudi school books teaches.”

Al-Ahmed say the textbooks are both a Saudi and an American problem. “If you teach 6 million children in these important years of their lives, if you install that in their brain, no wonder we have so many Saudi suicide bombers.”

After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, there was an intense focus on Saudi Arabia and its educational teachings because almost all of the attackers were from the kingdom. In 2006, Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Prince Turki al-Faisal told the Chicago Council on Foreign Relationships that the Saudi king was determined to eradicate this ideology of hate.

“In Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah recognizes that above all else education is the key, and he has put forth a program of reforms in this area," al-Faisal said. "In recent years, the kingdom has reviewed all of its education practices and materials and has removed any element that is inconsistent with the needs of a modern education. Not only have we eliminated what is objectionable from old textbooks that were in our system, we have also implemented a comprehensive internal revision and modernization plan."

But the new textbooks, most from the 2010-2011 academic year, show the hateful speech remains.

In Atlanta earlier this month, the Saudi minister responsible for the textbooks talked about the importance of education for woman [sic]. Asked by Fox News about the textbooks, Prince Faisal Bin Abdullah Al-Saud said, “I always say to people, please come. Come, try to see us. But come without a preconceived idea. , Especially when you want to raise the future, no one is going to introduce violence. Violence is absolutely against - I think this is, I don't know who put in those ideas.”

When Fox News offered to show the quotes to the minister, he said, “there are many quotes” and walked away.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/21/extremist-teachings-remain-in-saudi-textbooks-despite-kingdoms-claims-reform/#ixzz1hFKF1iCs

Fox News also asked the Saudi Embassy in Washington D.C., for comment on the textbooks and the translations, but there was no immediate response.
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 1:04pm On Dec 24, 2011
[size=18pt]Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"? [/size]
By Huda, About.com Guide

Question: Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?
Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.


"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter,  But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,  If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.


"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them,  (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them,  for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."


Conclusion
Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.
The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-cool:
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 1:17pm On Dec 24, 2011
let me make it clear that i do not support saudi arabia and i do not believe in or fancy their so called version of "Islam" aka wahhabism which is based on sheer extremism and intolerance.i do not even recognize saudi arabia as an islamic state.saudi arabia is a monarchy that is dictatorial first of all.

i think the saudi government standards should not be used as reflection of islamic values.

i also want to expose the christian missionary propaganda.christianity and the missionaries only thrive on propaganda and promoting lies and tarnishing the image and reputation of others.

amputation of the fingers (not even the entire hand based on Shia Islam,i follow) is carried out for theft.but the missionary has tainted the article on saudi arabia by trying to spice it up that muslims cut people's hands for "waging war on Allah"!!!

in context of the verse refers to those who deserve capital punishment for killing innocent believers and creating wars which led to the loss of life and property like boko haram.here is a commentary:

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 5:33]
Those who wage war against Allah and His prophet, kill the believers and plunder their property shall be disgraced in this world, and for them is a dreadful doom in the hereafter.


Refer to the commentary of al Baqarah: 48, 97 and 98 and the preceding verse to know how the so-called followers of the Holy Prophet waged war against the holy house of the Holy Prophet and committed heinous crimes while carrying out their ugly plan to eliminate them for ever. No doubt they have been disgraced in this world (all the sincere believers curse and condemn them), and they shall be severely punished on the day of judgement .


Aqa Mahdi Puya says:


"Waging war against Allah and His prophet means hostility against His chosen representatives; or deviation from His laws by overstepping the boundaries laid down by Him; or letting loose a reign of terror to persecute and frighten innocent people in order to deprive them of their rights; or attempts to undermine the cause of Islam and the overall interests of the Muslims; or activities to enslave, exploit and destroy human beings.


Allah forgives only those who turn repentant to Him before they are proved guilty of the crime".

http://quran.al-islam.org/
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by Nobody: 1:20pm On Dec 24, 2011
^^^

If a thief is caught in the act but pleads for forgiveness and turns from his Sin, will his request be granted ?
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 1:35pm On Dec 24, 2011
frosbel:

^^^

If a thief is caught in the act but pleads for forgiveness and turns from his Sin, will his request be granted ?

you could find your answer in Rihanna's song-"Take A Bow" (not that i am promoting it or music) but her words should suitably answer your question.pay note to this:

"and dont tell me you're sorry cause you're not;baby when i know you're only sorry you got caught" grin grin grin
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by Nobody: 1:51pm On Dec 24, 2011
^^^^

Ah okay, so no benefit of doubt, just a straight beheading or amputation  grin


The heart remains the same , untouched, more likely hardened after this act, while he loses his hand that could put him back to work to pay for this debt and feed his family.

See why people say you are backward.

Let us look at how the bible addresses this same issue :

He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.- Ephesians 4:28

Leviticus 6:1 -15 : " Then the Lord spoke to Moses: “When a person sins and commits a trespass  against the Lord by deceiving his fellow citizen   in regard to something held in trust, or a pledge, or something stolen, or by extorting something from his fellow citizen,  or has found something lost and denies it and swears falsely concerning any one of the things that someone might do to sin when it happens that he sins and he is found guilty,  then he must return whatever he had stolen, or whatever he had extorted, or the thing that he had held in trust,  or the lost thing that he had found,  or anything about which he swears falsely. He must restore it in full and add one fifth to it; he must give it to its owner when he is found guilty.  Then he must bring his guilt offering to the Lord, a flawless ram from the flock, convertible into silver shekels, for a guilt offering to the priest. So the priest will make atonement on his behalf before the Lord and he will be forgiven  for whatever he has done to become guilty.”


Thank GOD for GOD and the Bible.

Away with 7th century Barbarism !!!!
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 2:17pm On Dec 24, 2011
frosbel:

^^^^

Ah okay, so no benefit of doubt, just a straight beheading or amputation  grin


The heart remains the same , untouched, more likely hardened after this act, while he loses his hand that could put him back to work to pay for this debt and feed his family.

See why people say you are backward.

Let us look at how the bible addresses this same issue :

He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.- Ephesians 4:28

Leviticus 6:1 -15 : " Then the Lord spoke to Moses: “When a person sins and commits a trespass  against the Lord by deceiving his fellow citizen   in regard to something held in trust, or a pledge, or something stolen, or by extorting something from his fellow citizen,  or has found something lost and denies it and swears falsely concerning any one of the things that someone might do to sin when it happens that he sins and he is found guilty,  then he must return whatever he had stolen, or whatever he had extorted, or the thing that he had held in trust,  or the lost thing that he had found,  or anything about which he swears falsely. He must restore it in full and add one fifth to it; he must give it to its owner when he is found guilty.  Then he must bring his guilt offering to the Lord, a flawless ram from the flock, convertible into silver shekels, for a guilt offering to the priest. So the priest will make atonement on his behalf before the Lord and he will be forgiven  for whatever he has done to become guilty.”


Thank GOD for GOD and the Bible.

Away with 7th century Barbarism !!!!


Exodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.


this is what happens when theft of objects is tolerated.christians start to still fellow human beings.and "frosbel's" merciful God ordered that person to be put to death for stealing!!!  grin grin grin grin
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by Nobody: 2:20pm On Dec 24, 2011
hmmm, this is talking about Kidnapping, Duh !!!


Exodus 21:16 - "Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 2:23pm On Dec 24, 2011
frosbel:

hmmm, this is talking about Kidnapping, Duh !!!


Exodus 21:16 - "Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."

kidnapping=stealing another man!

duh!!!

so it is okay to put to death a man for kidnapping because the bible says so.but bad for someone's finger to be chopped off for stealing object (not human being) because the Quran says so.bigot!!!
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by Nobody: 2:25pm On Dec 24, 2011
You should spend more time supporting and protecting your Shia brothers , who are dying in their thousands in Pakistan , Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria etc etc.

What do you have to say about this undecided undecided
Re: Saudi Textbooks Instruct Children In How To Carry Out Amputations For Sharia by LagosShia: 2:30pm On Dec 24, 2011
frosbel:

You should spend more time supporting and protecting your Shia brothers , who are dying in their thousands in Pakistan , Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria etc etc.

What do you have to say about this undecided undecided

that doesn't give you the right to lie and insult against my religion,Islam.

two wrongs dont make a right.while those extremists (who got nothing to do with islam) are killing my brothers and muslims practically,you are doing likewise verbally and virtually through forums.

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