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Who has put faith in the thing heard from us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed? He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him. He was despised and was avoided by men, A man who was meant for pains and was familiar with sickness. It was as if his face were hidden from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account.  Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. Isaiah 53:1-7

Please interpret this prophecy so we can all know the person Isaiah is talking about.

May you have Peace!

Isaiah was referring to the nation of Israel. Even you yourself despise the nation of Israel today.

Jesus Christ was not despise but his fame spread rapidly due to His teachings, invented miracles and his invented authority. Here are some Bible verses that mention His widespread reputation:

Matthew 4:24 – "And his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, those having seizures, and paralytics, and he healed them."

Matthew 9:31 – "But they went away and spread his fame through all that district."
(After Jesus healed two blind men.)

Matthew 14:1 – "At that time Herod the tetrarch heard about the fame of Jesus."

Mark 1:28 – "And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee."
(After Jesus cast out an unclean spirit in Capernaum.)

Mark 1:45 – "But he went out and began to talk freely about it, and to spread the news, so that Jesus could no longer openly enter a town, but was out in desolate places, and people were coming to him from every quarter."
(After healing a leper.)

Luke 4:14 – "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country."

Luke 4:37 – "And reports about him went out into every place in the surrounding region."
(After casting out a demon in Capernaum.)

Luke 5:15 – "But now even more the report about him went abroad, and great crowds gathered to hear him and to be healed of their infirmities."

Luke 7:17 – "And this report about him spread through the whole of Judea and all the surrounding country."
(After raising the widow’s son in Nain.)

John 12:19 – "So the Pharisees said to one another, 'You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.'"
(His fame troubled the religious leaders.)

The Roman empire crucified many people at that time so your quote applies to them too:" But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. "

May you know the truth.

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah was referring to the nation of Israel. Even you yourself despise the nation of Israel today.

If Isaiah is talking about his own nation does that mean Isaiah who is a Jew and his entire nation hate their own nation?

Remember Isaiah is talking as if it's the Jews who maltreated the person in question so how can it be that they are talking about their own nation?

Meanwhile i love the nation of Israel just as i love people of all races!

MaxInDHouse:
If Isaiah is talking about his own nation does that mean Isaiah who is a Jew and his entire nation hate their own nation?

Remember Isaiah is talking as if it's the Jews who maltreated the person in question so how can it be that they are talking about their own nation?

Isaiah 53 goes on to say:

11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

This is the nation of Israel Isaiah is referring to.

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah 53 goes on to say:

11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

This is the nation of Israel Isaiah is referring to.

Well the word "He" means another thing to me not a nation hating themselves.

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
Well the word "He" means another thing to me not a nation hating themselves.

Thanks!

Then read these and notice the words: He; Him
Exodus 4:22-23 – "Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son, and I say to you, ‘Let my son go that he may serve me."
Hosea 11:1 – "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."

MindHacker9009:
Then read these and notice the words: He; Him
Exodus 4:22-23 – "Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son, and I say to you, ‘Let my son go that he may serve me."
Hosea 11:1 – "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."

Isaiah is talking primarily about his own people who hate this person not the other way around!

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah is talking primarily about his own people who hate this person not the other way around!

Isaiah is talking about the nation of Israel:
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah is talking about the nation of Israel:
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

Isaiah himself penned down those words and according to his writing Israelites themselves are the people who despised the character in question not people of the nations to whom he is not related!

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah himself penned down those words and according to his writing Israelites themselves are the people who despised the character in question not people of the nations to whom he is not related!

The spoils Isaiah is is taking about not of his own people. Who is dividing the spoils with the strong today?

12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

MindHacker9009:
The spoils Isaiah is is taking about not of his own people. Who is dividing the spoils with the strong today?
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

You are going too far this is what verses 3 said:

He was despised and was avoided by men, A man who was meant for pains and was familiar with sickness. It was as if his face were hidden from US. He was despised, and WE held him as of no account

Isaiah is talking about the Israelites that maltreated the person in question Sir!

For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:12

This is the last verse of Isaiah 53 Sir.

Well it's self explanatory.

May you have Peace!

MaxInDHouse:
You are going too far this is what verses 3 said:

He was despised and was avoided by men, A man who was meant for pains and was familiar with sickness. It was as if his face were hidden from US. He was despised, and WE held him as of no account

Isaiah is talking about the Israelites that maltreated the person in question Sir!

Jesus Christ was not despise but his fame spread rapidly due to His teachings, invented miracles and his invented authority. Here are some Bible verses that mention His widespread reputation:

Matthew 4:24 – "And his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, those having seizures, and paralytics, and he healed them."

Matthew 9:31 – "But they went away and spread his fame through all that district."
(After Jesus healed two blind men.)

Matthew 14:1 – "At that time Herod the tetrarch heard about the fame of Jesus."

Mark 1:28 – "And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee."
(After Jesus cast out an unclean spirit in Capernaum.)

Mark 1:45 – "But he went out and began to talk freely about it, and to spread the news, so that Jesus could no longer openly enter a town, but was out in desolate places, and people were coming to him from every quarter."
(After healing a leper.)

Luke 4:14 – "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country."

Luke 4:37 – "And reports about him went out into every place in the surrounding region."
(After casting out a demon in Capernaum.)

Luke 5:15 – "But now even more the report about him went abroad, and great crowds gathered to hear him and to be healed of their infirmities."

Luke 7:17 – "And this report about him spread through the whole of Judea and all the surrounding country."
(After raising the widow’s son in Nain.)

John 12:19 – "So the Pharisees said to one another, 'You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.'"
(His fame troubled the religious leaders.)

The Roman empire crucified many people at that time so your quote applies to them too:" But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. "

MindHacker9009:
Jesus Christ was not despise but his fame spread rapidly due to His teachings, invented miracles and his invented authority. Here are some Bible verses that mention His widespread reputation:

Matthew 4:24 – "And his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, those having seizures, and paralytics, and he healed them."

Matthew 9:31 – "But they went away and spread his fame through all that district."
(After Jesus healed two blind men.)

Matthew 14:1 – "At that time Herod the tetrarch heard about the fame of Jesus."

Mark 1:28 – "And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee."
(After Jesus cast out an unclean spirit in Capernaum.)

Mark 1:45 – "But he went out and began to talk freely about it, and to spread the news, so that Jesus could no longer openly enter a town, but was out in desolate places, and people were coming to him from every quarter."
(After healing a leper.)

Luke 4:14 – "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country."

Luke 4:37 – "And reports about him went out into every place in the surrounding region."
(After casting out a demon in Capernaum.)

Luke 5:15 – "But now even more the report about him went abroad, and great crowds gathered to hear him and to be healed of their infirmities."

Luke 7:17 – "And this report about him spread through the whole of Judea and all the surrounding country."
(After raising the widow’s son in Nain.)

John 12:19 – "So the Pharisees said to one another, 'You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.'"
(His fame troubled the religious leaders.)

The Roman empire crucified many people at that time so your quote applies to them too: "But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed."

The highlighted is exactly what happened to Jesus of Nazareth.
His FAME totally differs from his FACE!

The Israelites who applauded him due to his FAME despised him when they saw his FACE according to Isaiah 53:2

He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.

When Pontius Pilate brought Jesus out for the Jews to look at his FACE he asked them:

“Which one do you want me to release to you, Bar·abʹbas or Jesus the so-called Christ?” Matthew 27:17

The Jews said in a loud voice:

“To the stake with him!” Matthew 27:22

So they prefer the FACE of a thief to that of Jesus!

No that is a Roman empire invented story in the New testament to justify their destruction of Jerusalem and the second Temple in the year seventy.
You can also claim that Jesus Ben Ananias in referred to in the bolded: "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the sanctuary, a voice against the bridegroom and the bride, a voice against all the people."
He continued this lament day and night for seven years and five months, predicting destruction but never personally cursing anyone.
The Jewish authorities, concerned about his proclamations, handed him over to the Romans, who flogged and tortured him.

No! Isaiah was referring to the nation of Israel.

Isaiah 53 goes on to say:
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is exactly what happened to Jesus of Nazareth.
His FAME totally differs from his FACE!

The Israelites who applauded him due to his FAME despised him when they saw his FACE according to Isaiah 53:2

He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.

When Pontius Pilate brought Jesus out for the Jews to look at his FACE he asked them:

“Which one do you want me to release to you, Bar·abʹbas or Jesus the so-called Christ?” Matthew 27:17

The Jews said in a loud voice:

“To the stake with him!” Matthew 27:22

So they prefer the FACE of a thief to that of Jesus!

THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD IN THE WORLD IS THAT THAT BOOK CALLED “THE BIBLE” IS TALKING ABOUT GOD.

THAT BOOK IS TALKING ABOUT YAHWEH, A TRIBAL DEITY OF THE HEBREWS OF ANCIENT ISRAEL.

IT IS AN ABSOLUTE EUROPEAN LIE AND DELUSION TO CLAIM THAT YAHWEH IS “GOD”. IT WAS PURE, DELIBERATE MISTRANSLATION OF “YAHWEH”, “ELOHIM” (meaning “the gods”) into a singular “GOD” or “THE LORD”, that was NEVER in the original texts.

JUST 10 MINUTES OF READING THE OLD TESTAMENT IS ENOUGH TO SHOW ANY UNBRAINWASHED PERSON THAT THAT CANNOT BE GOD.

In fact Yahweh is probably the god known as Nyame to the Akan people of Ghana, and Amadioha among the Igbos, since these were among the people constituting the population of Israel and surrounding regions in antiquity.

Tellmeastory:
➜THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD IN THE WORLD IS THAT THAT BOOK CALLED “THE BIBLE” IS TALKING ABOUT GOD. THAT BOOK IS TALKING ABOUT YAHWEH, A TRIBAL DEITY OF THE HEBREWS OF ANCIENT ISRAEL.
➜IT IS AN ABSOLUTE EUROPEAN LIE AND DELUSION TO CLAIM THAT YAHWEH IS “GOD”.JUST 10 MINUTES OF READING THE OLD TESTAMENT IS ENOUGH TO SHOW ANY UNBRAINWASHED PERSON THAT THAT CANNOT BE GOD.

You contradicted yourself there. If the book is about YHWH, which is depicted as a tribal deity— God of Israel — much the same as every other deity out there, why do you then deny the book talks about a God?

2. This statement also does not make sense.

The Old Testament is a Roman empire corrupted version of the original Torah. And the New Testament is even worse by claiming that Yahweh sent his own son to use his blood for cleansing of sins, which is pagan practice.

Kobojunkie:
You contradicted yourself there. If the book is about YHWH, which is depicted as a tribal deity— God of Israel — much the same as every other deity out there, why do you then deny the book talks about a God?

2. This statement also does not make sense.

Of course it talks about a god.

The god is Yahweh.

Yahweh cannot be the Source of All That Is. The Ultimate Intelligence.

How could he be?

He orders massacres and rape in the Old Testament!

Tellmeastory:
➜Of course it talks about a god. The god is Yahweh. Yahweh cannot be the Source of All That Is.
➜The Ultimate Intelligence. How could he be? He orders massacres and rape in the Old Testament!

So, you admit you were wrong then!

2. Help me out here! Why can't the ultimate intelligence order those?

Kobojunkie:
So, you admit you were wrong then!

Wrong about what?

“A god” is not the same as God.

Help me out here! Why can't the ultimate intelligence order those?

The Ultimate Intelligence NEVER ordered massacres and rape.

The bible refers to a Hebrew tribal deity who allegedly ordered those massacres as “GOD”.

You are worshiping a lie.

To know who GOD is, refer to your traditional African religion, the world’s oldest spiritual system.

There, GOD is perfect, silent and aloof, allowing his deities or ‘gods’ to act as his ‘assistants’.

When all avenues for assistance by the gods are exhausted, with no respite, your ancestors turned to GOD, and prayed to Him as a last resort for help.

THAT WAS IT. NOTHING MORE.

Until WHITE EUROPEANS INVENTED THE “vengeful, bloodthirsty “bible GOD” who demands all worship him or face eternal torture, who massacres people and then sends his “son” to be sacrificed on earth as ‘forgiveness for human sins’ while being the biggest sinner himself, and all that RUBBISH”,

Wake up.

Tellmeastory:
➜Wrong about what? “A god” is not the same as God.
➜The Ultimate Intelligence NEVER ordered massacres and rape. The bible refers to a Hebrew tribal deity who allegedly ordered those massacres as “GOD”. You are worshiping a lie. To know who GOD is, refer to your traditional African religion, the world’s oldest spiritual system. There, GOD is perfect, silent and aloof, allowing his deities or ‘gods’ to act as his ‘assistants’. When all avenues for assistance by the gods are exhausted, with no respite, your ancestors turned to GOD, and prayed to Him as a last resort for help. THAT WAS IT. NOTHING MORE. Until WHITE EUROPEANS INVENTED THE “vengeful, bloodthirsty “bible GOD” who demands all worship him or face eternal torture, who massacres people and then sends his “son” to be sacrificed on earth as ‘forgiveness for human sins’ while being the biggest sinner himself, and all that RUBBISH”, Wake up.

1. They are all deities, aren't they?

2. You counter one tribal deity by insisting it has to be another tribal deity. Unbelievable! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

MaxInDHouse:
Well the word "He" means another thing to me not a nation hating themselves.

Thanks!

Israel is Isaac second son...isn't it?

Isaiah already told you In 45:1-7 that Israel is the servant why are you sweating it?

Context is key.

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah himself penned down those words and according to his writing Israelites themselves are the people who despised the character in question not people of the nations to whom he is not related!

It is the kings of the earth that despised the Jewish people.

I will explain who the servant is on Saturday...

sonmvayina:
It is the kings of the earth that despised the Jewish people.

Oh sorry i left the thread you came late.

Some other time.

Bye!

MaxInDHouse:
Oh sorry i left the thread you came late.

Some other time.

Bye!

ok

MindHacker9009:
God Almighty of the Original Torah did not send any Jesus christ to cleanse sins with human blood, that's pagan ritual.

God Almighty of the Original Torah has already provided a way for cleansing of sins in Isaiah 1:18: “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”
There is no Jesus mentioned here to come and wash away sins with his blood.

the same Isaiah who also wrote Isaiah 53?

Well the blood of Jesus was to pay for our death, while we are to repent from our sins.

Jesus carried the punishment for our sins and God is the one who cleanses away our sins, not us, what we do is repent and return to God.

God never provided us a way to cleanse our sins, He only commanded us to repent and come to Him and He would cleanse us, and in chapter 53, God reveals How He would do so.


So are you saying God performed a pagan ritual?

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah was referring to the nation of Israel. Even you yourself despise the nation of Israel today.

Jesus Christ was not despise but his fame spread rapidly due to His teachings, invented miracles and his invented authority. Here are some Bible verses that mention His widespread reputation:

Matthew 4:24 – "And his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, those having seizures, and paralytics, and he healed them."

Matthew 9:31 – "But they went away and spread his fame through all that district."
(After Jesus healed two blind men.)

Matthew 14:1 – "At that time Herod the tetrarch heard about the fame of Jesus."

Mark 1:28 – "And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee."
(After Jesus cast out an unclean spirit in Capernaum.)

Mark 1:45 – "But he went out and began to talk freely about it, and to spread the news, so that Jesus could no longer openly enter a town, but was out in desolate places, and people were coming to him from every quarter."
(After healing a leper.)

Luke 4:14 – "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country."

Luke 4:37 – "And reports about him went out into every place in the surrounding region."
(After casting out a demon in Capernaum.)

Luke 5:15 – "But now even more the report about him went abroad, and great crowds gathered to hear him and to be healed of their infirmities."

Luke 7:17 – "And this report about him spread through the whole of Judea and all the surrounding country."
(After raising the widow’s son in Nain.)

John 12:19 – "So the Pharisees said to one another, 'You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.'"
(His fame troubled the religious leaders.)

The Roman empire crucified many people at that time so your quote applies to them too:" But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. "

May you know the truth.

but do you know the truth?

You speak of the nation of Israel but fail to realize that the nation of Israel ended and was scatteted but the nation of Judah who were exiled returned. And to be frank there has been no nation of Israel ever since, even the nation Jesus was born in were Jews, the Jewish nation.

Now where is the truth taught through the verses you quoted? How do they relate with you disagreeing that Jesus bore the punishment for our peace?

Were you expecting a ritual to occur where a nation sacrifices a man to fulfill the prophecy in Isaiah 53 and then proclaim that this is the sacrifice that brings us peace?

Here is a question Isaiah asks
Isa.53.8 From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins--that he was suffering their punishment?

Do you even understand the scriptures you quote?

MindHacker9009:
No that is a Roman empire invented story in the New testament to justify their destruction of Jerusalem and the second Temple in the year seventy.
You can also claim that Jesus Ben Ananias in referred to in the bolded: "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the sanctuary, a voice against the bridegroom and the bride, a voice against all the people."
He continued this lament day and night for seven years and five months, predicting destruction but never personally cursing anyone.
The Jewish authorities, concerned about his proclamations, handed him over to the Romans, who flogged and tortured him.

No! Isaiah was referring to the nation of Israel.

Isaiah 53 goes on to say:
12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong"

it is one thing for you to claim it is Israel Isaiah refers to it is another and more important that you explain and show us how this is Israel, let's start from the beginning of Isaiah 53 shall we

Isa.53.3-4
He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.

How was Israel rejected by men?
How was Israel or Jacob despised?

And who are the we Isaiah refers to that didn't esteem Israel?

How did Israel take up your infirmities and carry your sorrows?

Tellmeastory:
THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD IN THE WORLD IS THAT THAT BOOK CALLED “THE BIBLE” IS TALKING ABOUT GOD.

THAT BOOK IS TALKING ABOUT YAHWEH, A TRIBAL DEITY OF THE HEBREWS OF ANCIENT ISRAEL.

IT IS AN ABSOLUTE EUROPEAN LIE AND DELUSION TO CLAIM THAT YAHWEH IS “GOD”. IT WAS PURE, DELIBERATE MISTRANSLATION OF “YAHWEH”, “ELOHIM” (meaning “the gods”) into a singular “GOD” or “THE LORD”, that was NEVER in the original texts.

JUST 10 MINUTES OF READING THE OLD TESTAMENT IS ENOUGH TO SHOW ANY UNBRAINWASHED PERSON THAT THAT CANNOT BE GOD.

In fact Yahweh is probably the god known as Nyame to the Akan people of Ghana, and Amadioha among the Igbos, since these were among the people constituting the population of Israel and surrounding regions in antiquity.

so you read the old testament in 10 minutes?