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Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by justwise(m): 10:54pm On Mar 08, 2012
Onyocha:

the sovereignty of nigeria belongs to the people of nigeria and not to the government of nigeria or Jonathan.get that in your head.

So Onyocha, tell me this. . . the Nigerian govt would have called all Nigerians for a meeting and ask for their opinion before the operation went ahead?
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by RICHIEBOI1(m): 10:56pm On Mar 08, 2012
photos of the kidnapped hostages. cry cry

Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by IdiAmin2(m): 11:00pm On Mar 08, 2012
British engineer my yansh. These bloody liars, the guy is na MI6 operative, intelligence that was captured.
This is no rescue operation, they deliberately went there to finish him off, afraid he will spill some important intelligence info if he falls into the wrong hands
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by Onyocha: 11:04pm On Mar 08, 2012
justwise:

So Onyocha, tell me this. . . the Nigerian govt would have called all Nigerians for a meeting and ask for their opinion before the operation went ahead?

so since they didnt do that,why do you oppose the british and nigerian government taking responsibility for the failed rescue operation which has led to the killings of the hostages?

besides,the nigerian govt. doesnt have to call all nigerians for a meeting.i am simply saying that the nigerian govt. should not have allowed foreign troops conduct military operation on nigerian soil.the sovereignty which belongs to the people who elect government do not give right to government to bring in foreign troops into the country to conduct military operation.

you are talking as if nigeria had a choice in the matter as much as we think.britain could easily apply "you are either with us or with the terrorists" mentality to conduct this operation and sway the president into agreeing.so please,stop talking as if you dont understand what you read.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by BankoleNco: 11:09pm On Mar 08, 2012
The Frankenstein effect right here. Next time Britain. . . . . . . support Biafra LOLZ!
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by faithin9ja: 11:09pm On Mar 08, 2012
@onyocha
the sovereignty of nigeria belongs to the people of nigeria and not to the government of nigeria or Jonathan.get that in your head.
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you are right, our head of state has no right to make such a decision, occupynigeria should have made the decision on whether these hostages should have been released or not.

As a matter of fact, we Nigerians should make a decision whether any oyibo people should be allowed into our country or not.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 11:11pm On Mar 08, 2012
21.25 A senior security source in Nigeria has told the Associated Press that the two men died in the crossfire during the rescue operation, raising the possibility that they might have been killed accidentally by their would-be rescuers. Britain has said they died at the hands of their captors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/9131831/British-hostage-killed-in-Nigeria-live.html

The story is starting to make sense. These two were possible MI6 agents working with Boko Haram up there in Northern Nigeria, and their propaganda backfired when they were kidnapped by their stooges.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by justwise(m): 11:12pm On Mar 08, 2012
Onyocha:

so since they didnt do that,why do you oppose the british and nigerian government taking responsibility for the failed rescue operation which has led to the killings of the hostages?

besides,the nigerian govt. doesnt have to call all nigerians for a meeting.i am simply saying that the nigerian govt. should not have allowed foreign troops conduct military operation on nigerian soil.the sovereignty which belongs to the people who elect government do not give right to government to bring in foreign troops into the country to conduct military operation.

you are talking as if nigeria had a choice in the matter as much as we think.britain could easily apply "you are either with us or with the terrorists" mentality to conduct this operation and sway the president into agreeing.so please,stop talking as if you dont understand what you read.

You are really confused, when you elect any govt, you basically gave that govt the right to make decisions on your behalf including security decision like this,  the British did not conduct the operetion without Nigerian govt consent, this is not time to start playing some silly blame games.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by Nobody: 11:14pm On Mar 08, 2012
justwise:

So Onyocha, tell me this. . . the Nigerian govt would have called all Nigerians for a meeting and ask for their opinion before the operation went ahead?

Lol. Nice one. You dey mind these 'over educated' folks? Once a people surrender their natural liberties to the state, they effectively empower the state (or in other words, the government) to act on their behalf as the sovereign. That is the theoretical basis for the 'social contract' concept. Since it is impracticable for the people to collectively exercise their power by collectively making decisions on each and every governance-related issue, they inevitably rely on their representatives (i.e. those in government) to act decisively - wrong or right - on their behalf.

But then, these things are too complicated for 'over educated' folks to understand.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by BankoleNco: 11:14pm On Mar 08, 2012
Idi-Amin:

British engineer my yansh. These bloody liars, the guy is na MI6 operative, intelligence that was captured.
This is no rescue operation, they deliberately went there to finish him off, afraid he will spill some important intelligence info if he falls into the wrong hands

bittyend:

The story is starting to make sense. These two were possible MI6 agents working with Boko Haram up there in Northern Nigeria, and their propaganda backfired when they were kidnapped by their stooges.

Reliable evidence that all Northerners are Boko Haram. . . .  The E-bokos quoted above are trying to justify the acts of their colleagues .
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 11:14pm On Mar 08, 2012
21.25 A senior security source in Nigeria has told the Associated Press that the two men died in the crossfire during the rescue operation, raising the possibility that they might have been killed accidentally by their would-be rescuers. Britain has said they died at the hands of their captors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/9131831/British-hostage-killed-in-Nigeria-live.html


They were killed by their own SAS!

This propaganda is a storyline to something big that's going to hit Nigeria in the future. You eurocentric dumb folks need to stop drinking the kool aid and open your eyes.

WTF is Central Bank doing in Birni Kebbi?? The Central Bank has enough branches in Nigeria, and it doesn't need to be present in every state, and why didn't they inform the Italian government, since an Italian citizen was also involved?
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by justwise(m): 11:15pm On Mar 08, 2012
faithin9ja:

@onyocha[color=#006600][/color]

you are right, our head of state has no right to make such a decision, occupynigeria should have made the decision on whether these hostages should have been released or not.
As a matter of fact, we Nigerians should make a decision whether any oyibo people should be allowed into our country or not.

grin grin grin grin
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 11:17pm On Mar 08, 2012
it's not about Northern Nigeria Vs. the rest of Nigeria - it's about not using the right channel to rescue the hostages. It's highly possible that these two men were killed by the rescue team according to a senior Nigerian official who spoke to AP.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by justwise(m): 11:18pm On Mar 08, 2012
pro01:

Lol. Nice one. You dey mind these 'over educated' folks? Once a people surrender their natural liberties to the state, they effectively empower the state (or in other words, the government) to act on their behalf as the sovereign. That is the theoretical basis for the 'social contract' concept. Since it is impracticable for the people to collectively exercise their power by collectively making decisions on each and every governance-related issue, they inevitably rely on their representatives (i.e. those in government) to act decisively - wrong or right - on their behalf.

But then, these things are too complicated for 'over educated' folks to understand.

You even made it even harder by using some hight-level terms to explain it to them. . . .confused.com grin grin
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by eyesofgold(m): 11:18pm On Mar 08, 2012
this is quite unfortunate. one big problem with Nigeria is our insensitivity. we over look little things too much, whereas these little things define the major ones. i very much believe Nigerians and Nigeria are both guilty of that,
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 11:22pm On Mar 08, 2012
Nigeria is saying one thing and Britain is saying another thing - this shows that the British government probably acted unilaterally, and it backfired. They need to clean their own mess and stop blaming others.

Nigerians are just so brain washed!

Phuck Boko haram, but you've to respect the sovereignty of a sovereign nation. With the way this whole boko haram thing is going - I won't be surprised when US of A starts dropping hellfire missiles on Nigerians, and don't think they would stop in the North once they start - Niger/Delta would also be targeted. Everything would be collateral damage.

You lot can continue to live in your delusions for now, but once they start - you won't be able to get them off your backs.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by babaowo: 11:23pm On Mar 08, 2012
uk should go and rescue their citizen, in somalia,pakistan and iran,they also are world terrorist worst than boko haram. Tit for tat.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by babaowo: 11:27pm On Mar 08, 2012
@idi amin ur on point.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by Onyenna(m): 11:28pm On Mar 08, 2012
Too bad. . . . .r.i.p
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by DuduNegro: 11:39pm On Mar 08, 2012
. . .who were the rescue team, I mean, what para or military group were assigned to Birnin Kebbi for this rescue operation?
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by Harbb: 11:44pm On Mar 08, 2012
Too bad for our image.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by manmustwac(m): 11:49pm On Mar 08, 2012
Just heard on Radio 5 Live here in the U K that the hostages were being held in Sokoto that the kidnappers were not Boko Haram but kidnappers who usually kidnap oil workers. Two of the kidnappers were killed during the botched operation and 3 were captured. sad
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by Litmus: 11:53pm On Mar 08, 2012
babaowo

uk should go and rescue their citizen, in somalia,pakistan and iran,they also are world terrorist worst than boko haram. Bosom for tat.

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bittyend

This propaganda is a storyline to something big that's going to hit Nigeria in the future. You eurocentric dumb folks need to stop drinking the kool aid and open your eyes.

= Gradual understanding of whats going on.



RIP




BTW


Is there a history of foreign hostages being killed by their captors during this spate of kidnapping Nigeria?

I haven't heard of any,which makes this rescue attempt even more bizarre and tragic.

Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by edoyad(m): 11:59pm On Mar 08, 2012
Do you know any people of Hausa, Fulani,Kanuri or related Origins studying , have studied or have spent time in these areas : Malaysia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan or  North Africa? If you do then its time to monitor their their conduct and raise the alarm if you notice anything strange in them.  smiley
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by faithin9ja: 12:04am On Mar 09, 2012
Nigeria is saying one thing and Britain is saying another thing - this shows that the British government probably acted unilaterally, and it backfired. They need to clean their own mess and stop blaming others.

Nigerians are just so brain washed!

Phuck Boko haram, but you've to respect the sovereignty of a sovereign nation. With the way this whole boko haram thing is going - I won't be surprised when US of A starts dropping hellfire missiles on Nigerians, and don't think they would stop in the North once they start - Niger/Delta would also be targeted. Everything would be collateral damage.

You lot can continue to live in your delusions for now, but once they start - you won't be able to get them off your backs.
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All these silly baseless conspiracy theories, grow up, do you think this is 'spooks' or 24 or other television programmes? is it today we have conflicting reports from Nigerian operatives or any operatives for that matter.

this is what it is; some people in Nigeria feel it is a good idea to kidnap people, Nigerian or non-Nigerian for whatever reason (money, political or even religious). Our security forces are not the best in the world as such we have the right to seek support from whomever.

If you are a patriotic Nigerian you will spend you efforts decrying those so-called Nigerians who terrorize our country.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by edoyad(m): 12:05am On Mar 09, 2012
manmustwac:

Just heard on Radio 5 Live here in the U K that the hostages were being held in Sokoto that the kidnappers were not Boko Haram but kidnappers who usually kidnap oil workers. Two of the kidnappers were killed during the botched operation and 3 were captured. sad

We cannot categorically distinguish them from boko haram but yes, it appears they were more of Al Qaeda related . Though they still could have executed some attacks in support of B H.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 12:17am On Mar 09, 2012
All these silly baseless conspiracy theories, grow up, do you think this is 'spooks' or 24 or other television programmes? is it today we have conflicting reports from Nigerian operatives or any operatives for that matter.

this is what it is; some people in Nigeria feel it is a good idea to kidnap people, Nigerian or non-Nigerian for whatever reason (money, political or even religious). Our security forces are not the best in the world as such we have the right to seek support from whomever.

If you are a patriotic Nigerian you will spend you efforts decrying those so-called Nigerians who terrorize our country.

If you're not stupid, blind and unable to think critically - you would understand the statement below:

21.25 A senior security source in Nigeria has told the Associated Press that the[b] two men died in the crossfire during the rescue operation, raising the possibility that they might have been killed accidentally by their would-be rescuers[/b]. Britain has said they died at the hands of their captors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/9131831/British-hostage-killed-in-Nigeria-live.html


I didn't make that up, that's why media outlets are reporting. Check this out as well:

Rosa Calipari, another MP, said:

"From what we know so far about this tragic operation it would seem that, notwithstanding the presence of an Italian who had been in the hands of kidnappers for a long time, our country was only told after the raid.

"We must ask why the Italian authorities in Nigeria, or other intelligence officers in the African country, were not involved in the decision for the operation to go ahead."
"

Maybe, you need to do some critical thinking, and start asking some questions - we can't just take everything they throw at us - we need to ask questions. Are the Italians also stupid for asking questions??
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by kizito96(m): 12:19am On Mar 09, 2012
What is Nigeria turning into? God help us
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by nagoma(m): 12:26am On Mar 09, 2012
@edoyad

There are more S.Easterners and niger Deltans in Malaysia and  North Africa than the NOrtherners you mentioned and they are the expert and professional kidnappers in nigeria . For the footballers farther they chose kano as their base, for the Canadian lady it was a village in kaduna state , this time they are choosing Birnin Kebbi. Its all part of criminal strategy. I hope the media comes with the true details.
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by bittyend(m): 12:29am On Mar 09, 2012
@faithin9ja

I'm neither a conspiracy theorist nor a Northerner - I'm a proud Yoruba Christian (if growing up in the church applies) - and I abhor every form of terrorism. Y'all can take this lightly and think it's a Northern agenda - but it's far from it. Everything looks like it's scripted, and the scramble for Africa and oil is on. We suddenly realized some KONY guy in Uganda yesterday after 20years of terror - because oil has been discovered in Uganda. Last month was all about Somalia - which they never cared about since 2001, because oil was found in Somalia - and today some hostages that have been in captivity since 2011 were suddenly shot dead.

Stop being naive - once they come into Nigeria - they won't leave till they plunder everything. And once the drones and the hellfire missiles start dropping - it won't just be Northern Nigeria - Niger Delta would also feel it. They don't really care about the North - their eyes are on Niger Delta, the North would just be their operational base. Ask questions!!
Re: British And Italian Hostage Killed In Birkin Kebbi by babaowo: 12:35am On Mar 09, 2012
@kizito96, Your question should be,is it what westerner are turning nigeria to? Do u think is the wish of iraqi's or afghan's for their countries to turn to battle field Now westerner are done with them and they shift the turn to nigeria. Until we realize and identify our true enemies who has been taking advantages of our moronics and greedy leaders,we ain't move an inch.

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