I could not control my arching urge to set the record straight on what maybe lost to some nairalanders. A cabal
of Nairalanders are hell bent on twisting facts and historical evidence in favour of the systematic annihilation
of a people. Even though most of us have ceded the propaganda high ground to them, it's still very annoying reading about this obvious distortion of facts.What got my goat today was in the topic "Immigrants- The Iranian-German Experience"
A topic about football was hijacked by the usual suspect to yet again sing praises of mighty Israel. His statement that "Israel plays its football in Europe and not the middle east" validates my long standing claim that Jews are Europeans and should have remained there. One would have thought that in an African forum like Nairaland and considering our history, our gumption would be to report facts about the conflict. Most of the people peddling this rubbish are so skewed between religion and right wing politics that they lost all sence of reasoning.
I make no claim to being an authority on Arab/Israeli affairs, nor am I an Arab or Muslim but this is how most people see the conflictTo the uninitiated, this is just a rough guard to this complex conflict.) While the world looks on, Hitler beats the crap out of the Jews,the world feels there needs to be a home for the displaced Jews, a number of places are suggested including Africa, they finally settle for a place in the middle east and this sets in motion one of the longest conflict the world has ever seen. To suggest the Jews have always lived in Palestine (because the bible says so) is the very apex of absurdity. Most of the Jews in Israel either come from Europe, America or the old Soviet Union. Can someone please advice this shameless cabal that even though their voices are 2 octaves higher than the rest of us, truth will always prevail.Finally can I remind everyone that anyone who supports the nairaland cabals pornographic and hypocritical description of the Palestinians is explicitly or tacitly endorsing the systematic destruction of a people, a thing that should not be lost on us Africans. Little wonder then that great Africans like Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,Willie Madisha and world leaders like The Dai lai lama, the pope (the list is endless) all support the Palestinian right to have their country back from these European Jews.
Help stop this misinformation on Nairaland.

Brother I think you need a hug

Tornadoz:

What got my goat today was in the topic "Immigrants- The Iranian-German Experience"
A topic about football was hijacked by the usual suspect to yet again sing praises of mighty Israel. His statement that "Israel plays its football in Europe and not the middle east" validates my long standing claim that Jews are Europeans and should have remained there.

Too simplistic. The mere fact that Isreal plays its football in Europe should not be the yardstick by which you validate a long standing claim/piece of arab propaganda that Jews are Europeans. Jews ARE NOT Europeans.

Majority of Jews that make up Isreal were living in Palestine.

Isreal plays in Europe because those she would ordinarily have played with in Asia do not even recognise their existence. In nations like Iran it is forbideen for Iranians to set foot in Isreal. How do you think both nations would play world cup qualifiers?

again you try to legitimise your bias and muddled thinking by claiming you are neither muslim nor arab.
Dont worry about the "great african leaders" you mention, they are just as clueless as you are.

Tornados,
in your words, you said you are not an authority on this issue but your opinion suggests so.
in your words, you termed the conflict a complex one, how? if you are sure they are europeans, then what is comple about europeans going back to europe?
please europe is not a country so which part of europe or to which country do they belong? i appreciate your boldness as a member of nairaland telling the world the untold stories and truth.
please, who are liberians? where are they from? are they really africans and if yes from which country and why are they where they are now?
could you please shield more lights on the Hitler issues and the existance of isreal in the land of palestines.
please relate your history to dates and that of the biblical pronoucement of isreal. as if the words of the bible is not true, then explain your understading of the prophesy as it relates to the present day isreali conflicts(maybe a co-inncident).
finally, brother, the Gideon Orka led aborted coup in their manifsto mentioned some states in nigeria as not to be part of nigeria- what do you think about that?
it has been on news that the fulanis are not real nigerians as they come from Niger and Chad, what do you think brother?
for your information, all statements or sentences that ends with such sign as ? are questions and they deserve answers and i hope you in your interest to let the whole world into the hiden truths will find pleasure in answering them.
life is full of learning as a process and it is my interest here to learn hence i have done my best to avoid insults so pls forgive me if you find any as i am more interested in answers to my questions.

davidylan:

Too simplistic. The mere fact that Isreal plays its football in Europe should not be the yardstick by which you validate a long standing claim/piece of arab propaganda that Jews are Europeans. Jews ARE NOT Europeans.

Majority of Jews that make up Isreal were living in Palestine.

What you fail to grasp is Jews are nomadic, hence you have Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Berber, Yemite, Maghrebi Jews etc. Present day Israel could have been located anywhere in the world.

Isreal plays in Europe because those she would ordinarily have played with in Asia do not even recognise their existence. In nations like Iran it is forbideen for Iranians to set foot in Isreal. How do you think both nations would play world cup qualifiers?

Are you surprised Iran forbids its citizens from playing or traveling to Israel? During the apartheid years how many Nigerians went to South Africa to play ball? Check out the population of Nigerians in SA now. As long as Israel continues its policy of annihilation against Arabs, no Arabs would be happy to visit let alone invest in in the racist enclave.

again you try to legitimise your bias and muddled thinking by claiming you are neither muslim nor arab.
Dont worry about the "great african leaders" you mention, they are just as clueless as you are.

Am biased because as an African (with long memory) I saw this same apartheid policy practiced in SA. If the Afrikaans has as much clout as the Jewish lobby, black folks in SA would still be enslaved today.

chidichris:

Tornados,
in your words, you said you are not an authority on this issue but your opinion suggests so.
in your words, you termed the conflict a complex one, how? if you are sure they are europeans, then what is comple about europeans going back to europe?
please europe is not a country so which part of europe or to which country do they belong? i appreciate your boldness as a member of nairaland telling the world the untold stories and truth.

Ever heard of Russian,British, French or German Jews? Google Polish or Austrian Jews, for God sake the list is endless.

please, who are liberians? where are they from? are they really africans and if yes from which country and why are they where they are now?

Do your research and then get back to me. I would want you to tell me if a people forcefully sold as slaves have the right to return to their ancestral homes.(For your information the Jews were not sold).

could you please shield more lights on the Hitler issues and the existance of isreal in the land of palestines.
please relate your history to dates and that of the biblical pronoucement of isreal. as if the words of the bible is not true, then explain your understading of the prophesy as it relates to the present day isreali conflicts(maybe a co-inncident).

I have long suspected your arguements are based solely on the bible. Try asking a Jew what their Torah says about Israel (according to the Torah Jews can only return when God says so). I have searched and searched and can't find what year God gave them the go ahead to return to the middle east.

finally, brother, the Gideon Orka led aborted coup in their manifsto mentioned some states in nigeria as not to be part of nigeria- what do you think about that?

Gideon excised some states from the federation and so what? What has that got to do with this debate?

it has been on news that the fulanis are not real nigerians as they come from Niger and Chad, what do you think brother?

Who is a Nigerian?

for your information, all statements or sentences that ends with such sign as ? are questions and they deserve answers and i hope you in your interest to let the whole world into the hiden truths will find pleasure in answering them.
life is full of learning as a process and it is my interest here to learn hence i have done my best to avoid insults so please forgive me if you find any as i am more interested in answers to my questions.

Thanks for leaving out the insults but I must advice you to do a research on the Israel/Palestinian conflict before joining in the debate. You are swayed by your fundamentalist Christian views not by historical facts.
In future I will only reply when you've done your home work[quote][/quote]

Tornadoz:

What you fail to grasp is Jews are nomadic, hence you have Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Berber, Yemite, Maghrebi Jews etc. Present day Israel could have been located anywhere in the world.

Your problems stems from a deep lack of understanding of the issues you claim to discuss. Can you explain your claim that the "jews are nomadic"? Hausas are nomadic, should we then chase them out of Nigeria?
There are Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Berber, Nigerian, Sudanese Americans . . . does that mean America should no longer exist? Puhlease!

Tornadoz:

Are you surprised Iran forbids its citizens from playing or traveling to Israel? During the apartheid years how many Nigerians went to South Africa to play ball? Check out the population of Nigerians in SA now. As long as Israel continues its policy of annihilation against Arabs, no Arabs would be happy to visit let alone invest in in the racist enclave.

This is bullcrap built on propaganda and lies. While you cry about Isreal's "policy of annihilation" against the arabs, several arab states have the destruction of Isreal as their number one constitutional duty yet all we get is silence and hypocrisy from people like you.
Where is it written that Isreal has a policy of annihilating the arabs? Where and when has Isreal EVER attacked arab nations? The very same nations who ganged up to destroy Isreal in 1948, 1953, 1967 now gang up to cry about Isrealy "policy of annihilation"?
And a clueless Nigerian in a Benin city beer parlour is also singing this chorus?

Tornadoz:

Am biased because as an African (with long memory) I saw this same apartheid policy practiced in SA. If the Afrikaans has as much clout as the Jewish lobby, black folks in SA would still be enslaved today.

No, you are biased because you have no idea what you are talking about. Isreal colonised no one . . . the Jews recieved only 15% of pre-1922 palestine and yet you are here crying about apartheid. Go talk to the Jordanians, they hold about 80% of the land.

Tornadoz:

I must advice you to do a research on the Israel/Palestinian conflict before joining in the debate. You are swayed by your fundamentalist Christian views not by historical facts.
In future I will only reply when you've done your home work

If this topic is your own idea of your home work then i must admit it is ery poorly done. Where are the historical facts on which you base your nebulous claims?

Tornadoz:



I make no claim to being an authority on Arab/Israeli affairs, nor am I an Arab or Muslim but this is how most people see the conflictTo the uninitiated, this is just a rough guard to this complex conflict.) While the world looks on, Hitler beats the crap out of the Jews,the world feels there needs to be a home for the displaced Jews, a number of places are suggested including Africa, they finally settle for a place in the middle east [/b]and this sets in motion one of the longest conflict the world has ever seen.

Your chronology of events tells us more about your lack of knowledge than about the Middle East.In [b]1917,the British passed the Balfour Declaration committing themselves to a "National home for the Jewish people within Palestine",a full 16 years before Hitler became Chancellor and 22 years before he started his ethnic cleansing of Jews.

Your ahistorical suppositions have no bearing to the issues.If Hitler's policies prompted the decision to support a Jewish state in Palestine,why was the Balfour Declaration passed as far back as 1917?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917 ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917 [/url]

CNN REPORT



http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/football/10/09/germany.boycott.ap/index.html


     
BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- An Iranian-born German soccer player's refusal to face Israel has sparked a public outcry in Germany, with some Jewish leaders calling Tuesday for his exclusion from the national team.


Ashkan Dejagah, pictured in an Under-21 qualifier against Northern Ireland, has refused to play in Israel.

Ashkan Dejagah, who moved to Germany as a child, pulled out of Friday's game in Tel Aviv -- a qualification match for the European Under-21 Championship -- citing "political reasons."

"I have more Iranian than German blood in my veins. I am doing it out of respect. After all, my parents are Iranian," the 21-year-old midfielder told the Berlin daily tabloid B.Z.

The German soccer federation has accepted his decision.

"I have accepted the coach's decision because he explained to me that the player has personal reasons," President Theo Zwanziger said in a statement posted to the federation Web site.

The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Charlotte Knobloch, called Dejagah's behavior "deeply unsportsmanlike."

Germany is "aware of its historical responsibility , and it would be a big affront if this anti-Israeli behavior would be tolerated," Knobloch said in a statement. "I therefore expect the (soccer federation) to exclude the player from the German national team."
The vice president of the Central Council, Dieter Graumann, told Spiegel Online it was unthinkable for a German national player to wage a private boycott against Israel.

It is not the first time an Iranian athlete has refused to compete in Israel, a country whose existence the hard-line Islamic regime in Iran has refused to recognize.

In recent months, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has drawn international criticism for publicly questioning the Nazi Holocaust and for calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

In 2004, Bayern Munich played a Champions League game against Maccabi Tel Aviv without a key Iranian player who had been warned by his country not to travel to the Jewish state.

The Iranian sports federation had said striker Vahid Hashemian would face consequences at home if he traveled to Israel. .


Hashemian's official reason for not attending the game was a back injury.

During the 2004 Olympics Games in Athens, an Iranian judo champion reportedly said he wouldn't fight an Israeli opponent, then claimed he was too overweight for the bout with Israel's Ehud Vaks.

He was disqualified. The International Judo Federation later concluded that he was not overweight.

At the 2001 judo world championships, Mahed Malekmohammadi of Iran did not compete against Yoel Razvozov of Israel. E-mail to a friend

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According to UK REUTERS


Soccer-Iran-born German player withdraws from Israel match

By Catherine Bosley

BERLIN, Oct 8 (Reuters) - An Iranian-born player in Germany's under-21 national soccer team has withdrawn from an upcoming match against Israel citing "personal reasons", the German Football Association (DFB) said on Monday.

Ashkan Dejagah, 21, who plays for Bundesliga club VfB Wolfsburg, asked national team managers to allow him to withdraw from Germany's European Championship qualifier against Israel, to be played in Tel Aviv on Friday, the DFB said.

"He came to us citing personal reasons that seemed very plausible," DFB spokesman Jens Grittner said.

Dejagah could not be reached for comment, but tabloid daily Bild quoted him as saying his motive was political.

"It has political reasons. Everyone knows that I am German-Iranian," he said of the decision to withdraw.

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran has refused to recognize Israel's right to exist and Iranian citizens are forbidden from travelling to Israel.

Dejagah was born in Tehran, but later moved with his parents to Germany. He holds a German passport.

Dejagah's withdrawal has stirred controversy in Germany, which sets great store by good relations with Israel after some six million Jews died during the Holocaust.

Bild, Germany's biggest-selling newspaper, called for Dejagah's exclusion from the national team.

This call was backed by Friedbert Pflueger, a leading member of the Berlin branch of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU).

In 2004, Iranian striker Vahid Hashemian was pulled from Bayern Munich's roster for a Champions League game against Israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Although Bayern cited a back injury as the reason for Hashemian's withdrawal, the potential visit proved controversial and Iran's national sporting body opposed it.

German-Iranian Footballer 'Typical Example of Failed Integration'



SPIEGEL ONLINE - October 10, 2007, 02:40 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,510590,00.html

THE WORLD FROM BERLIN


German-Iranian soccer player Ashkan Dejagah's refusal to play in an international match in Israel has unleashed a storm of controversy in Germany. The press is divided on whether to condemn or condone the player and some newspapers ask if this is a sign of failed integration.


REUTERS
Ashkan Dejagah wearing the German strip in a previous under-21 international encounter.
The refusal of Iranian-born German soccer player to play an international match in Israel has caused a storm of controversy in Germany.

Ashkan Dejagah, 21, has refused to travel with his team mates to play in Tel Aviv on Friday, and now German Jewish groups are demanding that he be excluded from the team altogether.

Dejagah has dual citizenhip -- he was born in Tehran and has lived in Germany since he was two years old. The striker, who is regarded as one of Germany's most impressive young soccer talents, plays with Bundesliga team VFL Wolfsburg and for the under-21 national team.

While the player had told his coach that he could not play in the game for "personal reasons," he was quoted in the mass-circuation Bild as saying "there are political reasons." The player, who still has family in Iran, told the BZ newspaper: "I have nothing against Israel. But I'm worried about having problems later when traveling to Iran."

Iran refuses to recognize Israel and forbids its citizens from visiting the country or playing in any sporting competitions with Israel. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has questioned the Holocaust and called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

While the German Football Federation (DFB) granted Dejagah's request because he had cited personal reasons, its president, Theo Zwanziger, said on Tuesday that he would not tolerate a player cancelling his participation because of his world view. "A player who wears our team shirt must identify with this country and its values."

The Central Council of Jews in Germany has sharply criticized the player's stance. "It is inconceivable and impossible that a national team player initiates a private boycott of Jews," Vice President Dieter Graumann told SPIEGEL ONLINE. Meanwhile, Central Council President Charlotte Knobloch called on the DFB to exclude Dejagah from the national team.

While some German newspapers sharply criticize Dejagah's decision and question whether his stance is an indication of failed integration, others are more sympathetic about his fear of Tehran's reaction if he were to play.

The left-leaning Die Tageszietung writes:

"Naturally Dieter Graumann is right when he says that 'it is inconceivable and impossible that a national team player initiates a private boycott of Jews.' But is that what Ashkan Dejagah has done? He has cited 'personal reasons' for asking to be left out of the international match. If the Iranians wanted to, for whatever reason, they could mercilessly exploit the Dejagah case. Dejagah knows this and he has good reason to fear it."

"Naturally one would have been pleased if Dejagah had made a stand against this inhumane regime that is permanently campaigning against Israel, and had played there. But you can't demand that he do so when he has family in Tehran."

"It would be incorrect to immediately assume that he has a fundamental dislike of Jews. , People should keep in mind the reasons behind Dejagah's decision. And they should seriously think about whether they would like to accept the responsibility for what would have happened if he had played."

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"Dejagah could have wrangled his way out of the game with a conveniently timed injury , Instead he opened his big mouth and said he couldn't go for 'political reasons.'"

"One can imagine how great his fear is that his relatives in Iran might be persectued (if he played). And how great his fear is that he would not be able to travel to Iran with an Israeli stamp in his passport."


"His close friends know who Ashkan Dejagah fears the most in this matter. Not the regime in Tehran, but his father in Berlin. The family has lived in Berlin for 20 years but it is no secret that Mohammad Dejagah would have preferred to see his son in the Iranian team uniform rather than the German one. (According to media reports, Mohammad Dejagah has told the Iranian state news agency IRNA that he would like to see his son playing on the Tehran's national team.) Their new country has not become a real home for the family. Dejagah's case is, above all, a typical Berlin example of failed integration."
The conservative Die Welt writes:

"No one has to be a hero, you can't enforce civil courage. You can understand that Dejagah is afraid to play on Friday in the match against Israel , Dejagah could have given many excuses to stay away from the game unobtrusively."

"He is reported to have said 'I have more Iranian than German blood in my veins.' One doesn't have to accept that. A national player represents his nation -- he is neither an international nor a dual citizenship player."

"The young man has revealed an important dilemma in the immigration society. There are many immigrants , who maintain a completely functional relationship to their new home. , They often demand full civil rights but then, after they get them, they still feel foreign. And they often feel a deep loyalty to their old home and to the blood in their veins."

In more naive times this double orientation was lauded as enriching society: two identities , were better than one. Dejagah has now emphatically shown that unclear loyalties can be a danger to a free society."

-- Siobhán Dowling, 1:20 p.m, CET

What you fail to grasp is Jews are nomadic, hence you have Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Berber, Yemite, Maghrebi Jews etc. Present day Israel could have been located anywhere in the world.

WOW,  Nigerians are Nomadic as well since there are Nigerians in most every nook and cranny of this globe. We have south african Nigerians, British Nigerians, American Nigerians, Lebanese Nigerians, Mexican Nigerians, Woohoo!!! Whothatthunkit !!!

Tornadoz:

Little wonder then that great Africans like Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,Willie Madisha and world leaders like The[b] Dai lai lama[/b], the pope (the list is endless) all support the Palestinian right to have their country back from these European Jews.
Help stop this misinformation on Nairaland.

I find it extremely hypocritical of you to mention the Dalai Lama as an esteemed world leader, then spend so much time on other topics hyping China that has been illegally occupying Tibet for decades now. The same china you never fail to tout as a credible alternative to the US.
We will all be alive when China finally decides to annex Taiwan by force. I'll be extremely interested then in what you'll have to say.

The Bible and Archaelogical evidence shows clearly that the Jews ancestral home is in the middle east, yet you feel they should go back to Europe? You're clearly anti-semitic.

I am of the mind that even though he claims to not be an expert at all, he has somehow convinced himself that he gets to re-write history in Nairaland, regardless of what the EXPERTS know for sure. It is his warped take on history, manufactured during in his tantrums, that all should believe instead.

davidylan:

Dont worry about the "great african leaders" you mention, they are just as clueless as you are.

So, it's only the Africans he mentioned that are clueless; what about the non-Africans?

O ga ju

dudu-bobo:

So, it's only the Africans he mentioned that are clueless; what about the non-Africans?

O ga ju

There's an existing Nairaland law against the speaking of any language apart from English, the common one. please keep your Yoruba phrases for your street.

This is unrelated to the topic at hand, just that this annoying habit of some of y'all rile me up.

@Tornadoz,

You worry yourself way too much.

Allow these bloody and shameless liars to continue twisting every single statement they come across.

The only way you can make sense is for you to stoop to their level and play dirty.

Some of them boast of having 6 years experience in debating christianity with people, can you imagine?

Those that hate a people based on race or religion are worse off when compared to dogs so do not worry yourself because it has been destined that people like these will walk on the surface of the earth.

lmao!!!!

Tornadoz,

I could not control my arching urge to set the record straight on what maybe lost to some nairalanders. A cabal
of Nairalanders are hell bent on twisting facts and historical evidence in favour of the systematic annihilation
of a people. Even though most of us have ceded the propaganda high ground to them, it's still very annoying reading about  this obvious distortion of facts.What got my goat today was in the topic "Immigrants- The Iranian-German Experience"

What people are being annihilated and who is bent on annihilating them? Please present the facts for everyone to consider. I'm sure you know that your claiming facts are distorted does not make it so. You just have to provide the proofs. Unless of course you are arrogant enough to expect everyone to take as gospel truth, anything you have to say. I believe better things of you.

A topic about football was hijacked by the usual suspect to yet again sing praises of mighty Israel. His statement that "Israel plays its football in Europe and not the middle east" validates my long standing claim that Jews are Europeans and should have remained there.

Why are you so quick to overlook the facts you claim to champion? Are you telling us that you can guarantee the safety of the lives of any Jewish sportsman who goes to Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and even Saudi Arabia for the return leg of their match? Have you forgotten the massacre of Isrealis at the '72 Olympics? And by the way, while you consider the material you referenced just "a topic about football", the player who refused to take part don't think so. I mean, why are you deluding yourself?

One would have thought that in an African forum like Nairaland and considering our history, our gumption would be to report facts about the conflict. Most of the people peddling this rubbish are so skewed between religion and right wing politics that they lost all sence of reasoning.

Again, you make accusations you can't back with any facts. How many times have people here quoted the Bible as their sole source? And even if that is the case, I am sure no history book provides the history of Palestine as much as the Bible does. In other words, the Bible not only serves as a book of faith, but as a book of history.

I make no claim to being an authority on Arab/Israeli affairs, nor am I an Arab or Muslim but this is how most people see the conflictTo the uninitiated, this is just a rough guard to this complex conflict.)

If you are not an authority, why are you then so quick to dismiss others who present some facts to you? Why take a stand when you do not have all the facts on good authority. It seems to me that you need to study more. You remind me of someone here who true to nature, copied someone's writing claiming that Palestinians are dehumanized by Isreal while failing to see that no one treats the Palestininas any worse than their Arab neighbours. It is thus plain for all to see that the intention of the original writer and his goon on nairaland is not the welfare of the Palestinians, nor the pursuit of facts, but rather to continue the anti-semitism they are noted for.

OH MY GOSH!!! !LMAO!!! this is getting JUICY!!!!!

@Tornadoz,

While the world looks on, Hitler beats the crap out of the Jews,the world feels there needs to be a home for the displaced Jews, a number  of places are suggested including Africa, they finally settle for a place in the middle east and this sets in motion one of the longest conflict the world has ever seen.

Since your premise is wrong, there is no point trying to show that your conclusion is wrong as well. I-man already provided links to show that your knowlegde of the chronology of events is at best erroneous.

To suggest the Jews have always lived in Palestine (because the bible says so) is the very apex of absurdity. Most of the Jews in Israel either come from Europe, America or the old Soviet Union.

I hope you can prove to us that the Bible accounts are wrong. To do that, you will have to show us that Jesus who lived in Palestine was an Arab. And to bring it more to a secular setting, you will need to turn history on its head by proving that Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 was resisted by Arab inhabitants. You will need to prove that the blood that runs through the veins of the Sacarii and the Zealots who resisted Titus is Arab and not Jewish. Tall order isn't it?

Can someone please advice this shameless cabal that even though their voices are 2 octaves higher than the rest of us, truth will always prevail.

Please listen to your advice and take it.

Finally can I remind everyone that anyone who supports  the nairaland cabals pornographic and hypocritical description of the Palestinians is explicitly or tacitly  endorsing the systematic destruction of a people, a thing that should not be lost on us Africans.

Shouildn't you turn the attention of your fellow soldiers to King Abdallah of Jordan who occupies 80% of the known landmass we refer to as Palestine? Oh I forget, turning attention to Jordan does not fuel your anti-isreal stance.

Little wonder then that great Africans like Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,Willie Madisha and world leaders like The Dai lai lama, the pope (the list is endless) all support the Palestinian right to have their country back from these European Jews.

All these people believe in a two-state solution, which the duly elected representative of the Palestinians, Hamas is sworn against.

Help stop this misinformation on Nairaland.

we've started already by educating you!

@topic,

@Tornadoz,
You worry yourself way too much.
Allow these bloody and shameless liars to continue twisting every single statement they come across.
The only way you can make sense is for you to stoop to their level and play dirty.
Some of them boast of having 6 years experience in debating christianity with people, can you imagine?
Those that hate a people based on race or religion are worse off when compared to dogs so do not worry yourself because it has been destined that people like these will walk on the surface of the earth.

There is no better, faster and sure way to lower the quality of a debate on nairaland than to have Afam contribute to it! SELAH.

you are quick @Tayo

LMAO

Tornadoz:
I could not control my arching urge to set the record straight on what maybe lost to some nairalanders. A cabal
of Nairalanders are hell bent on twisting facts and historical evidence in favour of the systematic annihilation
of a people. Even though most of us have ceded the propaganda high ground to them, it's still very annoying reading about this obvious distortion of facts.What got my goat today was in the topic "Immigrants- The Iranian-German Experience"
A topic about football was hijacked by the usual suspect to yet again sing praises of mighty Israel. His statement that "Israel plays its football in Europe and not the middle east" validates my long standing claim that Jews are Europeans and should have remained there. One would have thought that in an African forum like Nairaland and considering our history, our gumption would be to report facts about the conflict. Most of the people peddling this rubbish are so skewed between religion and right wing politics that they lost all sence of reasoning.
I make no claim to being an authority on Arab/Israeli affairs, nor am I an Arab or Muslim but this is how most people see the conflictTo the uninitiated, this is just a rough guard to this complex conflict.) While the world looks on, Hitler beats the crap out of the Jews,the world feels there needs to be a home for the displaced Jews, a number of places are suggested including Africa, they finally settle for a place in the middle east and this sets in motion one of the longest conflict the world has ever seen. To suggest the Jews have always lived in Palestine (because the bible says so) is the very apex of absurdity. Most of the Jews in Israel either come from Europe, America or the old Soviet Union. Can someone please advice this shameless cabal that even though their voices are 2 octaves higher than the rest of us, truth will always prevail.Finally can I remind everyone that anyone who supports the nairaland cabals pornographic and hypocritical description of the Palestinians is explicitly or tacitly endorsing the systematic destruction of a people, a thing that should not be lost on us Africans. Little wonder then that great Africans like Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,Willie Madisha and world leaders like The Dai lai lama, the pope (the list is endless) all support the Palestinian right to have their country back from these European Jews.
Help stop this misinformation on Nairaland.

@Tornadoz,
I'll like to thank you very much for bringing our attention to this issue. Indeed there are many on Nairaland who shamelessly support Israel (or Jews), even when they are wrong, as if Jews can never be wrong. Even Jehovah complained (and probably still complaining) about the behavior of the Jews. Eight years of George Bush and his fellow Republican Zionist-Neocons has strengthened the evil elements in Israel (yes, there are still some good Israelis, though they're in the minority) to continue on their path of arrogance, terrorism, political assassinations, kidnapping, cold-blooded murder, infanticide, and massacres. Hopefully, a more sane Democratic government will take over come January 2009. More intelligent minds like Bill Clinton, Collin Powell, and Jimmy Carter will once again have a stronger say in US policy in the Middle East. The clowns running Israel will then be given notice that the days of shooting hundreds of Arab babies in the head, with no consequence, are over.

Many of the people on Nairaland who blindly defend Israel, no matter what she does, have one or more of the following problems:
1. Hate Islam, and since a good proportion of Arabs are Muslims, extend their hatred to Arabs.
2. Draw from their experience in Nigeria, especially as regards riots in Northern Nigeria that target southerners and Christians, and so they see all Muslims through the cloudy prism of vengeance.
3. Feel an inordinate attachment to Israel (or the Jews) as a result of one or more of the following: (i) have gone on Pilgrimage to Israel and thus formed a special bond with the land, and so making them lose all objectivity, especially on matters related to the occupied territories; (ii) believe that they are either Jews or related to Jews in some way; (iii) see the Jews as God's chosen people, and so believe that they can never be in the wrong.
4. Believe that the Holocaust happened because the world hate the Jews and so Israel can/should/must do anything to "protect herself", or else there would be another Holocaust (or something much worse).
5. Ignorant about one or more of the following: Christianity; the Middle-East, Islam; Judaism; the Cold War; America's military-industrial complex; distribution of proven crude oil reserves in the world; etc.

May we be alive to see a sovereign and independent Palestine!

LMAO ,

@RichyBlack,

May we be alive to see a sovereign and independent Palestine!

So who has been rejecting the UN proposal for a 2-State solution - the Arabs or Isreal?

I think Seun should create a new section pehaps titled the 'Propagate Arab Propaganda' board so that the likes of Afam and his fellow 'Crusaders' can champion their destruction of Israel threads and leave the politics section alone.

Seun how about it? Comon man,

Mariory:

I think Seun should create a new section pehaps titled the 'Propagate Arab Propaganda' board so that the likes of Afam and his fellow 'Crusaders' can champion their destruction of Israel threads and leave the politics section alone.

Seun how about it? Comon man,

I am with you there man!!

RichyBlacK:

May we be alive to see a sovereign and independent Palestine!

May we be alive to see arabs take responsibility for their actions rather than blaming the Isrealis for global warming and desertification.

Your chronology of events tells us more about your lack of knowledge than about the Middle East.

Chronology of events? Did you miss this:"To the uninitiated, this is just a rough guard to this complex conflict".

Your ahistorical suppositions have no bearing to the issues.If Hitler's policies prompted the decision to support a Jewish state in Palestine,why was the Balfour Declaration passed as far back as 1917?

The creation of what we now know as Israel was in 1948 ,when illegal European migrant Ben Gurrion fought the British to establish a Jewish state. Let me know if you find a link on the net of any functioning government in present day Israel before Hitler's so-called holocaust.

Tornadoz:

The creation of what we now know as Israel was in 1948 ,when illegal European migrant Ben Gurrion fought the British to establish a Jewish state. Let me know if you find a link on the net of any functioning government in present day Israel before Hitler's so-called holocaust.

Isreal declared independence in 1948, the blueprint for Isreal's eventual "existence" was already drawn as far back as 1922 when the western side of the Jordan was carved out for arab palestinians as the nation of Jordan.

@texazzpete

I find it extremely hypocritical of you to mention the Dalai Lama as an esteemed world leader, then spend so much time on other topics hyping China that has been illegally occupying Tibet for decades now. The same china you never fail to tout as a credible alternative to the US.
We will all be alive when China finally decides to annex Taiwan by force. I'll be extremely interested then in what you'll have to say.

The Bible and Archaelogical evidence shows clearly that the Jews ancestral home is in the middle east, yet you feel they should go back to Europe? You're clearly anti-semitic.

I do not agree with China's occupation of Tibet but do overwhelmingly supports its acceleration towards check-mating America's strangle-hold on the world.
I'd like to compare your stance on China/Tibet conflict against your defeaning silence on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Next time the mighty IDF resumes its constant incursion into Arab lands, I'd like to see you demur at their heavy handedness.
Your cockeyed view that the bible and archaeological evidence shows the Jewish ancestral home was in the middle east goes against your sometimes rational self. How can you use a 2000yr old work of fiction to validate who owns a piece of land? Do you expect a body like the UN or the world court to accept Biblical text as proof that the Jews belong in the middle east. Haba pete.