Belgian mosque attack baffles police, Muslims

By Robert-Jan Bartunek

BRUSSELS | Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:36am IST



(Reuters) - A firebomb attack on a Shi'ite Muslim mosque in Brussels that killed a popular local imam triggered an anti-terrorist investigation on Wednesday, but police remained uncertain of the detained suspect's identity and local Muslims baffled about his motives.

Prosecutors have released few details about the suspect, a man in his 30s who locals said entered the mosque in a rundown quarter of the city shortly after evening prayers on Monday carrying an axe, a knife and a can of petrol, which he poured over the prayer mats and ignited.

"He is saying he is a Salafi Muslim," federal prosecutor Leen Nuyts told Reuters, adding that it was one of several explanations he had offered. "He is saying that Syria could have played a part, but we have to do further investigation" before reaching that conclusion, she said.

Nuyts said the suspect had provided three different identities and efforts were still being made to establish which was correct. Locals said he was a Sunni Muslim Moroccan from Tangiers.

Sunnis are at the forefront of a bloody uprising in Syria against rule by the Alawite minority, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam. Salafis are a Sunni group advocating an especially strict form of Islam. They have been very active in parts of the Middle East but have no record of involvement in violence in Europe.

The federal prosecutor took over the Brussels case from local investigators on Wednesday, indicating that there may be a more serious political or terrorism-related motive behind it.

"It has been escalated because the law says that this should be done in cases of violence on political or ideological grounds," Nuyts said. "There are indications that this is the case."

The imam, a 46-year-old father of four named by police as Sheikh Abdallah Dadou, died of smoke inhalation as he tried to extinguish the flames, while another man escaped with injuries.

Locals in Anderlecht, a district north of Brussels' Midi station, played down any interdenominational element to the attack.

NEIGHBOURHOOD TENSIONS

On Wednesday, mourners left flowers outside the Rida mosque, located inside a three-story townhouse on a non-descript street, not far from a synagogue and a few hundred metres from the Notre Dame Immaculee Catholic church.

The area is home to a large number of migrants from North Africa and the Maghreb, a community hit hard by the economic downturn and rising unemployment. Many windows are smashed or boarded up, and shops pull down security grills at night.

"This is what they call a problematic district because there are problems with crime and drugs," said Paul Eerdekens, a volunteer at Cosmos, a local social aid centre.

"It's a dilapidated neighbourhood," he said, but dismissed any suggestion of a history of tension between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims.

"You heard about people going to different kinds of mosques but the tensions you've seen in other countries between Sunnis and Shi'ites has never manifested itself here in Brussels."

Locals say the neighbourhood is predominantly Sunni, making the presence of a Shi'ite mosque stand out. Residents said it was popular with Shi'ite followers from across Belgium and beyond. Sunnis make up around 80 percent of the world's Muslims.

"The mosque was a centre for people from all over Belgium, some even came from abroad," said Mirza Babar, a Pakistani who runs a general shop near the mosque and who is himself Sunni.

"They meet there for prayer and afterwards they come here, they are my customers, there were never any problems."

Belgium has a large Muslim community - approximately 6 percent of its 11 million people - with most living in Brussels, Antwerp and Charleroi. Some estimates suggest nearly a quarter of Brussels one million residents are Muslim.

The bulk of the community hails from North Africa, mostly from Morocco and Tunisia. While there have traditionally been good relations among the different denominations of Islam, there has been a history of tension between Muslims and other faiths living in poorer, inner-city neighbourhoods.

Since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, there has also been far tighter surveillance of the Muslim community - not only in Belgium but Germany, Italy and France - after evidence emerged of militant cells operating across Europe.

In 2004, a Belgian court convicted eight Islamists of plotting attacks and having links to al Qaeda, one of several high-profile terrorism cases in Belgium over the past decade. But Sunni-Shi'ite violence has seldom if ever played a part.

Some locals said the mosque accepted Sunni Muslims who had converted to Shi'ism, which if true might have been a motive for the attack. Asked to explain why he thought a Sunni Muslim might have firebombed the mosque, Babar was nonplussed.

"I don't know what happened to the guy, whether it was his upbringing or whether he was sick," he said.

"Mohammed says nowhere that we should kill innocent people. Such people are not real Muslims."

(Reporting by Robert-Jan Bartunek and Claire Davenport; Writing by Luke Baker; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/belgium-mosque-investigation-idINDEE82D0JJ20120314

[size=18pt]The Statement of the Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) World Assembly on Condemnation of Assassinating the Congregational Prayer Leader of Shia Mosque in Brussels.[/size]

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=302489

Stress on the responsibility of safeguarding and securing Muslims residing in Europe like each European nation is on the shoulders of the rulers of the European Union, the Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) world assembly in its declaration, is asking the European countries be aware not to allow seditionists disturb the tranquility and security of the people. They do not allow their names be tarnished with theses inhuman measures. Likewise, all followers of Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) are requested to keep patience.

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Published statement, the Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) world assembly has condemned the barbaric attack of assassinating Wahabis on Imam Reza Mosque of Brussels in Belgium capital that led to the oppressed martyrdom of Hujjat ul Islam Sheikh Abdullah Dahdoh the congregational prayer leader of this mosque and several prayer performers injured.

The full text of Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) world assembly's statement is as follows:

In the name of Allah, the compassionate the merciful

Among the faithfuls are men who fulfilled what they have pledged to Allah. Of them are some who have fulfilled their pledge, and of them are some who still wait, and they have not changed in the least. (Quran, Al. Ahzab, 23)

As house of God and worship site, once more a mosque desecrated and blood of religious scholar was un-rightly shed in worship alter (Mehrab). In the wake of terrorist attack, a mercenary Wahabi grouplet set Imam Reza Mosque in Brussels on fire and congregational prayer leader of the Mosque Hujjat al Islam Sheikh Abdullah Dahdoh lost his life. This event has injured the sentiments of free humans and Muslims. Obviously, those who took lowly and shameless measures are of Wahabi elements and followers of the criminal al Qaeda group. Supported by global arrogance and some insistent and opponent country like Saudi Arabia, Zionist regime and criminal US, they take such heart-rending crimes.
Supporters of such crimes in Pakistan in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Belgium and other countries pseudo-religious scholars unaware of God and counter-humanity by issuing fabricated Fatwas, provocate ignorant individuals to murder sinless people and set mosques and worship sites on fire.

Today, these criminal are accountable. These pseudo-clerics are partners of wild blood sucking traitors, the aim of these blind hearts who commit such anti human crimes in Asia yesterday and today in Europe create seditions and disunity among Muslims in Europe. It is unbearable for them to see Muslims live peacefully with followers of other religions in Europe. In such conditions that unity and solidarity are very important, they seek to promote hatred, division, disunity and enmity among Muslims and other divine religions.

The heart-rending martyrdom of Hujjat ul Islam wal-Muslimin Sheikh Abdullah Dahdoh, the member of general assembly of Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) World assembly, and congregational prayer leader of Imam Reza Mosque in Brussels, Belgium has strongly impressed all followers of the Ahl-ul-Bayt Scholll of thought. We express our deep condolence to Imam al Mahdi (a) and all Muslims, the Islamic community of Belgium in particular, and his honored family and board of trustees of the Imam Reza mosque.

Martyred Sheikh Abdullah Dahdoh who spent all his life at the service of Islam was the victim of the blind hearts.

On the other hand, the responsibility of safeguarding and securing Muslims residing in Europe like other European nations is on the shoulders of rulers of EU, they should not allow seditionists disturb people's tranquility and this does not lead to tarnishing their names.

The Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) world Assembly strongly condemns this horrible event and explicitly call on all followers of Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) to keep patience. Everyone should be aware not to act unwisely. Such heart-rending event should followed up through law and concerned authorities.

In the end, we pray to god for the dear martyr's soul to rest in peace and patience for the survivors and his family in particular. We hope that his martyrdom will stabilize unity and upgrade awareness among Islamic community in Europe especially in Belgium.

The Ahl-ul-Bayt (a) World Assembly

[size=14pt]Imam dies in mosque arson attack in Belgian capital[/size]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17346927

An imam has been killed in an arson attack at a Shia mosque in the Brussels suburb of Anderlecht.

The 46-year-old imam died of smoke inhalation trying to put out the fire.

The suspect entered the mosque armed with an axe and a knife, and spread flammable liquid before setting it alight, officials said.

He was grabbed and locked in a room by worshippers. Police said his motives were unclear but he had described himself as a Muslim born in 1978.

One witness was quoted by Belgian media as saying that the man had shouted several times about Syria.

Around 100 people had gathered behind a police cordon around the Rida mosque - the largest Shia mosque in Brussels. Some were chanting Shia slogans, others crying, hugging or praying, the AFP news agency reports.

The imam was later named as Abdallah Dadou, a father of four children.

Belgium's interior minister Joelle Milquet said she was "very shocked by the events that have occurred".

Overnight, the mayor of Anderlecht, Gaetan Val Goidsenhoven, appealed for calm, saying it was "not only necessary to live side-by-side, but also to allow justice and the police to do their work".

Salafists

Jean-Marc Meilleur, of Brussels' prosecutor's office, said police responded to reports of a fire at the mosque between 18:00 and 19:00 local time (17:00 and 18:00 GMT) on Monday.

"When they arrived at the location they realised that there was indeed a fire but also that a person had been detained by the mosque occupants," he said.

"It seemed that this person showed up and pulled out a knife and an axe, and that he spread flammable products, petrol we assume, in order to start a fire and threaten the people attending the mosque."

One other person was lightly injured, Mr Meilleur said.

It is not yet clear why the man attacked the mosque, but some local people said he was a "Salafist".

Salafists are very conservative Muslims who try to emulate the earliest followers of the Prophet Muhammad. Some Salafists preach hatred of Shia Muslims.

Isabelle Praile, a leading figure in Belgium's Muslim community, told national broadcaster RTBF that the mosque had been given a police guard some years ago because of threats from Salafists.

Senseless attacks are to be condemned anywhere. It is even more reprehensible when it is done by a renegade muslim
Not only those to which shia are victims
What has been the response of these people to the massacre of civilians in Syria
What did they say when their fellow shias tried to stop Saddam Hussain from saying kalimat shahada at the time of his hanging?

What did they say when shias (not just a lone loony) killed a sunni imam in a similar fashion in the same Belgium several years ago

"The last time an imam was targeted in Brussels was in 1989 when Saudi-born Abdullah Muhammad al-Ahdal was shot dead.
He served as imam in the Grand Mosque of Brussels and was killed on March of that year by an armed man inside the mosque.
His killing was claimed by a small pro-Iranian group in Lebanon who accussed him of being too moderate and of having rejected the death fatwa slapped on writer Salman Rushdie"

http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/axe-wielding-arsonist-kills-imam-in-brussels-mosque_214307.html

This excerpt is part of the same story. But people who have an agenda will not mention it

BetaThings: Senseless attacks are to be condemned anywhere. It is even more reprehensible when it is done by a renegade muslim

agreed.

Not only those to which shia are victims

What has been the response of these people to the massacre of civilians in Syria

who is massacreing civilians in syria?is it not the same wahhabis? you should please not pull another topic here because you could easily review this where you are already taking part:

https://www.nairaland.com/877711/muslim-scholars-issue-verdict-syria

What did they say when their fellow shias tried to stop Saddam Hussain from saying kalimat shahada at the time of his hanging?

ive never heard of that.but anyways saddam was no muslim.reciting shahada with the lips while disbelieving in the heart is not Islam.

What did they say when shias (not just a lone loony) killed a sunni imam in a similar fashion in the same Belgium several years ago

"The last time an imam was targeted in Brussels was in 1989 when Saudi-born Abdullah Muhammad al-Ahdal was shot dead.
He served as imam in the Grand Mosque of Brussels and was killed on March of that year by an armed man inside the mosque.
His killing was claimed by a small pro-Iranian group in Lebanon who accussed him of being too moderate and of having rejected the death fatwa slapped on writer Salman Rushdie"

http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/axe-wielding-arsonist-kills-imam-in-brussels-mosque_214307.html

This excerpt is part of the same story. But people who have an agenda will not mention it

firstly two wrongs dont make a right.

secondly,as a muslim i could easily tell you that that sunni imam was killed not out of sectarian motive.the cause was because he opposed a fatwa against salman rushdie who offended all muslims.

regardless,what is condemnable is condemnable.

these wahhabi violence,terror,intolerance and fanaticism infamously mistaken for "muslim terrorism" is not something new or an isolated single incident.

what do you say to the 57 afghan shia who were killed by wahhabi suicide bombers in mosque while commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) on Ashura day (6th of december,2011)? these wahhabi attacks against shia driven by sectarian hate from the wahhabis isn't something new from pakistan,afghanistan,saudi arabia,iraq and now in europe.that man in brussels who burnt a mosque isn't there "defending" a fatwa against an enemy of muslims and islam like salman rushdie.he was driven by sectarian intolerance.why should we try to draw confusing and even irrelevant comparisons taking us back over 20 years?

LagosShia:
who is massacreing civilians in syria?is it not the same wahhabis? you should please not pull another topic here because you could easily review this where you are already taking part:

https://www.nairaland.com/877711/muslim-scholars-issue-verdict-syria

forget your propaganda
Bashar is not involved. He is not interested. People are killing citizens to tarnish his image and he folds his arms. Very rich
Politics and taqqiya are heavier obligations to you than fear of Allah

LagosShia:

ive never heard of that.but anyways saddam was no muslim.reciting shahada with the lips while disbelieving in the heart is not Islam.

Of course you will never admit hearing or seeing it
Look at these two videos

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DH26kbz3BeEM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTwSBndv34

I know that Shia never allow Allah to decide who is a muslim. They have ABSOLUTELY arrogated that right to themselves
Afterall nobody stopped Firaun from saying the Kalimat, but Allah rejected him. He did not call on any shia to stop Firaun from reciting the Kalimat

So the person that was put to death on a battle ground after reciting the Kalimat (when confrontend by a muslim who had him cornered) qualified to be doubted as just saying kalimat with his tongue. But The Prophet (PBUH), when told queried the person who still killed him

There is no precedent of the Prophet (PBUH) preventing anyone from reciting the kalimat. but then Shias are extremist group swimming on the bank of river kufr by making takfir of anyone who disagrees with them

LagosShia:

firstly two wrongs dont make a right.

secondly,as a muslim i could easily tell you that that sunni imam was killed not out of sectarian motive.the cause was because he opposed a fatwa against salman rushdie who offended all muslims.

regardless,what is condemnable is condemnable.

these wahhabi violence,terror,intolerance and fanaticism infamously mistaken for "muslim terrorism" is not something new or an isolated single incident.

what do you say to the 57 afghan shia who were killed by wahhabi suicide bombers in mosque while commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) on Ashura day (6th of december,2011)? these wahhabi attacks against shia driven by sectarian hate from the wahhabis isn't something new from pakistan,afghanistan,saudi arabia,iraq and now in europe.that man in brussels who burnt a mosque isn't there "defending" a fatwa against an enemy of muslims and islam like salman rushdie.he was driven by sectarian intolerance.why should we try to draw confusing and even irrelevant comparisons taking us back over 20 years?

Suddenly 2 wrongs do not make a right? Since when?
So how come that whenever a Shia atrocity is mentioned, you quickly bring an evidence (mostly fabricated) against Saudi Arabia
That lie that somebody was arrested in Saudi Arabia for shirk was one such fake tale. Read it again

How many christians opposed the fatwa on Salman Rushdie? How many were killed? The Shia supporters simply murdered the sunni imam because he was a muslim. Period. Shias kill in quick time, remember?

Intolerance, fanaticism? How?
Moqtada Sadr militants rampaging and doing whatever they like outside the regular police institution is what?
More statements of hate emanate from the Shias than any other sect
They are bent on avenging, avenging
How many sects declare rulers of other countries "illegal"? Think about it

That senseless and baseless self flagellation is not fanaticism
I have always asked the question. Ali (RAH) was murdered. When and how do Shias commemorate his death?

LagosShia:
why should we try to draw confusing and even irrelevant comparisons taking us back over 20 years?

Because history shapes what we do

Sorry I agree with you. 20 years event should be forgotten
Please take all the Palestinians into Iran and forget what Israel did more than 20 years ago
At least you would have contributed immensely to "world peace"

Proceeding from that we would stop these daily harassment of Sunnis for a "wrong" done more than a thousand years ago and allow Allah to take care of the "apostates", the people who "usurped the right of Ali (RA) to the kilafah", murderer of Hussein (RAH) etc

"BetaThing",

i wouldn't waste my time as you must have noticed previously of stating personal points and arguments not based on fact accusing the shia of this and that.you argue blindly and childishly and make many claims (redherrings to confuse the discussion) you cannot prove.

actually you have lied now by saying that "they tried to prevent saddam from reciting the shahada".did you watch the video you presented? did you hear the shahada from saddam's mouth or not? so what exactly are you saying?

BetaThings:
Politics and taqqiya are heavier obligations to you than fear of Allah

is Taqiyyah in the Quran or not? what are the rules of taqiyyah? how do you accuse me of applying taqiyyah in this instance

the christians accuse all muslims of taqiyyah while taqiyyah is found in the bible.

sunnis attribute taqiyyah to the shia,while taqiyyah is in the Quran.so what is all this dishonesty about?

So how come that whenever a Shia atrocity is mentioned, you quickly bring an evidence (mostly fabricated) against Saudi Arabia

please be specific.

That lie that somebody was arrested in Saudi Arabia for shirk was one such fake tale. Read it again

check who "mansoor almaribe" is.google his name.

How many christians opposed the fatwa on Salman Rushdie? How many were killed? The Shia supporters simply murdered the sunni imam because he was a muslim. Period. Shias kill in quick time, remember?

the killing was not justified and i as a shia dont have to agree with it.and there was no fatwa.but was the imam a traitor or not?

Intolerance, fanaticism? How?
Moqtada Sadr militants rampaging and doing whatever they like outside the regular police institution is what?
More statements of hate emanate from the Shias than any other sect
They are bent on avenging, avenging
How many sects declare rulers of other countries "illegal"? Think about it

moqtada is not a marji.
That senseless and baseless self flagellation is not fanaticism
I have always asked the question. Ali (RAH) was murdered. When and how do Shias commemorate his death?

Proceeding from that we would stop these daily harassment of Sunnis for a "wrong" done more than a thousand years ago and allow Allah to take care of the "apostates", the people who "usurped the right of Ali (RA) to the kilafah", murderer of Hussein (RAH) etc

enjoining good and forbidding evil is the essence of islam.so we cannot forget the foundations of islam.you should stop portraying tyrants (past and present) as "pious men" as you even just tried doing with saddam.

One more thing,are we not supposed obey Allah and the Prophet (sa)? How can you love the killers of the Ahlul-Bayt (the people the Quran make obligatory to love) and promote the idea that those who usurped the caliphating thus dividing the muslim ummah should be 'honored'? Can someone who does so with knowledge of the truth and openly ignoring the commandment of the Prophet (sa) to abide by the 'thaqalain' (Quran and Ahlul-Bayt) still claim to be 'muslim'?

the thread the nasibi intended to use to tarnish Islam has turn around to be a source of trial and tribulation lol how Allah uses the falsehood of the nawasibs upon them. Goodone betathings e go better for u!

vedaxcool: the thread the nasibi intended to use to tarnish Islam has turn around to be a source of trial and tribulation lol how Allah uses the falsehood of the nawasibs upon them. Goodone betathings e go better for u!

so wahhabism is what you regard as 'islam'? Why then do we blame the western media for tarnishing the image of islam and all muslims because of what wahhabi terrorists like al-qaeda and boko haram do? You are the one calling the scum of humanity 'muslims' even when they kill innocent people backed by the fatwas from their scholars.

This question goes to BetaThing also:
do you condemn the wahhabi suicide bombers who target Shia Muslims anually especially Ashura? Do you condemn boko haram for attacking churches? On dec. 6th,2011, 57 innocent Shia Muslims were killed in afghanistan by wahhabi suicide bombers.they were targeted for attending Ashura,commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as).this kind of attacks against Shia Muslim civilians by wahhabis is norm in pakistan and iraq particularly.is this the 'islam' you are taught?

Why dont we see Shia Muslims bombing sunni civilians or where sunnis worship? Even when angry Shia youths in Iraq want to retaliate against sunnis,the Shia marji-iyya (highest Shia scholars who issue fatwas) such as Ayatolla Sistani would order restraint.but the wahhabi scholars issue fatwas to kill innocent people for being of different beliefs.can you bring one fatwa from (Shia) an ayatollah asking Shia to kill people for having different beliefs? The scholars are meant to guide and caution when the angry youths want to take justice into their hands.but wahhabi scholars are the source of terrorism with their filthy fatwas of death which go against the Quranic verse 2:256 of 'no compulsion in religion'.

keep barking!

vedaxcool: keep barking!

terrorist!
You have now resorted to copying me and what i told you in another.no shame?

LagosShia: "BetaThing",

i wouldn't waste my time as you must have noticed previously of stating personal points and arguments not based on fact accusing the shia of this and that.you argue blindly and childishly and make many claims (redherrings to confuse the discussion) you cannot prove.

Personal?

What about your favourite passtime of name calling? I remember that somebody once misspelt your name, and you raised some dust over it
You have called me, depending on your state of mind - Wahabi Thing. This is another version

LagosShia: mr. "BetaThin",

it is either you are utterly ignorant of the facts or just deliberately trying to be dumb.

.

I have said it repeatedly, all the personal insults do not amount to anything. You might as well be saying Jonathan is the president of Nigeria for all I care
I mentioned it here because you stretch matters and accuse people of being personal in their posts
But I reckon you do it as part of the tradition of Shias

And you really are wasting your time, Sir. Are you not?

LagosShia: "BetaThing",

actually you have lied now by saying that "they tried to prevent saddam from reciting the shahada".did you watch the video you presented? did you hear the shahada from saddam's mouth or not? so what exactly are you saying?

If I lied, I would be taking after you. Afterall you never heard of this incident before
You are even ignoring the fact that the Iraqi authorities are denying that Shia militants are murdering people because of their "emo" style
"No murder case has been recorded with the interior ministry on so-called 'emo' grounds. All cases of murder recorded were for revenge, social and common criminal reasons."'
While some are condemning the act, the official position is that those people are being killed as part of regular acts of criminality in a society
How long does it take for this official lie to become the "truth". 5 years?
And what is the taunting and shout of "Moqtada! Moqtada!!" supposed to do?
To encourage him to say the Shahada?
The man has been sentenced to death, what next?
He has said it. It is left for Allah to judge
And Allah is the best of judges

LagosShia:
so wahhabism is what you regard as 'islam'? Why then do we blame the western media for tarnishing the image of islam and all muslims because of what wahhabi terrorists like al-qaeda and boko haram do? You are the one calling the scum of humanity 'muslims' even when they kill innocent people backed by the fatwas from their scholars.

This question goes to BetaThing also:
do you condemn the wahhabi suicide bombers who target Shia Muslims anually especially Ashura? Do you condemn boko haram for attacking churches? On dec. 6th,2011, 57 innocent Shia Muslims were killed in afghanistan by wahhabi suicide bombers.they were targeted for attending Ashura,commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as).this kind of attacks against Shia Muslim civilians by wahhabis is norm in pakistan and iraq particularly.is this the 'islam' you are taught?

Why dont we see Shia Muslims bombing sunni civilians or where sunnis worship? Even when angry Shia youths in Iraq want to retaliate against sunnis,the Shia marji-iyya (highest Shia scholars who issue fatwas) such as Ayatolla Sistani would order restraint.but the wahhabi scholars issue fatwas to kill innocent people for being of different beliefs.can you bring one fatwa from (Shia) an ayatollah asking Shia to kill people for having different beliefs? The scholars are meant to guide and caution when the angry youths want to take justice into their hands.but wahhabi scholars are the source of terrorism with their filthy fatwas of death which go against the Quranic verse 2:256 of 'no compulsion in religion'.

What is wahhabism?
The Saudi authorities never ascribe themselves to any person
It is shia that started calling themselves Shiatu Ali. Is Ali (RA) not supposed to be a follower of the Prophet (PBUH)
If wahhabism, by which I mean the ideas of Shayk Abdulwahhab, is not Islam, is it the praying the the dead that is a key tenet of the shias and for which you hate the shayk so much Islam?
Shias do not see that act as kuffur as evil. They must slander anyone who faults (and rightly too) their praying to and seeking the intercession of the dead

Can you bring one fatawa where a notable "wahhabi" scholar sanctions suicide bombing
Anyone knows that it is not possible to repent from suicide.
As regards terrorism why would the Saudi authorities collaborate with Al Qaeda which is bent on that regime down
Of course to you bring down that government is a dream aspiration

Please show us the fatawa again?
As regards restraint, how come Moqtada has a standing militant group. They are using that to show restraint
Forget the official propaganda - Shias are very very impatient
The Prophet has said the ummah will split into 73
You would like to blame the sunnis for all ills that the khawarij, mutazilite etc commit
We know there have been extremists from the time of the Prophet (PBUH)
Afterall, there is the "Nation of Islam in America", are they actually muslims? Anyone can make a claim
Anyone killing women, children etc and saying he is a sunni is as sunni as the Nation of Islam group are muslims

Shias claim they love the Ahlul Bayt, but the atrocities and strife they have caused to the Ummah could never be tolerated by the people they claim to love
Would Ali slander a mother of the believer. Afteral her won husband did not slander or divorce her for the offence the Shias have been trying her for ages

LagosShia:

is Taqiyyah in the Quran or not? what are the rules of taqiyyah? how do you accuse me of applying taqiyyah in this instance

the christians accuse all muslims of taqiyyah while taqiyyah is found in the bible.

sunnis attribute taqiyyah to the shia,while taqiyyah is in the Quran.so what is all this dishonesty about?

What dishonesty?
It is funny that you are worried about something that you do all the time. You don't hold consistent position on issues of the deen, but you judge issues solely on issue of politics.
You are here to learn and humble. But you say that people lack capacity, are ignorant etc
Yazeed is worse than Iblees, according to you. But we know the sin of Iblees who directly disobeyed Allah and never repented
Who can confirm that Yazeed never repented before he died. And it is Allah' right to judge him
But you are comfortable discussing with people who mock Allah and His Messenger (PBUH). What offence can be greater than that?
The people who did that were immediately given notice of their having become kuffars.
If anyone took that liberty here, you would have quickly made takfir on him,

LagosShia:

is Taqiyyah in the Quran or not? what are the rules of taqiyyah? how do you accuse me of applying taqiyyah in this instance

the christians accuse all muslims of taqiyyah while taqiyyah is found in the bible.

sunnis attribute taqiyyah to the shia,while taqiyyah is in the Quran.so what is all this dishonesty about?

I don't care what the christians believe or say. They are liars and don't really believe in fairness
There is nothing they accuse muslims of that they are not guilty of. Their women are not supposed to even ask questions in the church let alone taking to the pulpit
Of course Shias have borrowed one methodology from them - rather than focussing on an issue, they attack the people who are drawing attention to their misdeeds
An adulterer should not be stoned because the people who want to do the stoning too "might" be guilty = christians
Similarly we should leave a Shia to continue with his evil acts because Boko Haram and the Saudis are guilty of same = Shias
But you ignore the fact that a Shia defends another shia as a reflex action whereas I am fully convinced that Boko Haram people are clearly misguided
Show me where Sunnis do taqqiyah?

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What dishonesty?
It is funny that you are worried about something that you do all the time. You don't hold consistent position on issues of the deen, but you judge issues solely on issue of politics.
You are here to learn and humble. But you say that people lack capacity, are ignorant etc
Yazeed is worse than Iblees, according to you. But we know the sin of Iblees who directly disobeyed Allah and never repented


Who can confirm that Yazeed never repented before he died. And it is Allah' right to judge him
But you are comfortable discussing with people who mock Allah and His Messenger (PBUH). What offence can be greater than that?The people who did that were immediately given notice of their having become kuffars.
If anyone took that liberty here, you would have quickly made takfir on him,

first i dont know who are those who "mock" Allah that i am conversing with.do you mean yourself?

as for Yazeed,do you yourself know if he "repented" or not,if i am to agree with you that there is any such thing before death? you obviously dont.your ranting is the way wahhabis are taught to conceal the actions of evil men they honor and forget their wrong doings and attrocities and crimes committed against humanity.since we dont know according to you if yazeed repented or not,till judgement day,he would be remembered for the evil he did and based on what we know of.to show we are muslims,we must oppose him for evil he did.and that is righteousness.

as for your concept that "you dont know if he repented" before he died",indeed your own views are not consistent with Islam and contradict the Quran as since you read the book only for reading sake.those who kill the Ahlul-Bayt (as) go against Allah's command to love the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and be loyal to them.anyone who hates the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and hurt them would be punished.there is no escape.here is what the Quran says about those who repent when death comes to them;there is no magical escape that when death comes,an evil man or disbeliever would utter shahada ("magic words" and automatically become a believer:

Holy Quran 4:18
"Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous".

I don't care what the christians believe or say. They are liars and don't really believe in fairness
There is nothing they accuse muslims of that they are not guilty of. Their women are not supposed to even ask questions in the church let alone taking to the pulpit
Of course Shias have borrowed one methodology from them - rather than focussing on an issue, they attack the people who are drawing attention to their misdeeds
An adulterer should not be stoned because the people who want to do the stoning too "might" be guilty = christians
Similarly we should leave a Shia to continue with his evil acts because Boko Haram and the Saudis are guilty of same = Shias
But you ignore the fact that a Shia defends another shia as a reflex action whereas I am fully convinced that Boko Haram people are clearly misguided
Show me where Sunnis do taqqiyah?

you are confused my friend.when a Shia does wrong,there is no fatwa from the ayatollahs or marji-iyyah.we condemn the person.have you condemned the wahhabi suicide bombers that targetted the Ashura event in Kabul killing 57 Shia on december 6th 2011? what do you say about that? what about the attacks on Shia civilians in Iraq all the time? these attacks are instigated by wahhabi fatwas to kill Shia because they are "heretics" according to wahhabis.most foreign terrorists in Iraq are from saudi arabia.this is a report.what do you say?put yourself to the test here and tell us you condemn those wahhabi attacking innocent Shia in mosques,on Ashura,and in market or public places.