The main reason why i created this thread is just to tell Arsenal and Chelsea fans to shut it since most of them started watching football three years ago. How can someone come and tell us that Chelsea and Barcelona or Arsenal or Real madrid are mates. It's dis-heartening how these english premiership fans never care to check the history of some teams. When clubs in Europe are mentioned, Chelsea dn Arsenal should not even be mentioned because they have no pedigree. Even Nothingham Forst have more pedigree than these two teams. the only two teams in England that can think compete with the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, valencia, FC Porto, Benfica, Bayern Munich, AS ROMA etc are Manchester and Liverpool. These club have a long history of success on the european continent. Chelsea and Arsenal are nonentities when europe is mentioned. They're local champions whose competition should bee Wigan and West brom.