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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BikeMan: 9:05pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:


Can you pull your penalty vs Ajax that got Veltman sent off? to see if his hand was not in a natural position
Raumdeuter, Veltman intentionally handled the ball. The ball didn't hit his hand, he hit the ball with his hand.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:06pm On Nov 10, 2019
Eruditor:


Aurier did not lose possession. He only made contact with Mane whilst kicking the ball. The videos are online. Nobody can argue that.

There is nothing about working the system. I asked a question: if the ball deflected off TAAs hands and got into the Liverpool post would the ref have cancelled the goal?
Did he have possession? They both got up from the floor, Mané would not beat him to the ball if he was in possession. Neither player was in possession of the ball

No. Why would they? On what grounds! His hands were not in an unnatural position. Sterling passed the ball to his hands from 2 yards out, only a rookie ref would fall for such tricks
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BikeMan: 9:06pm On Nov 10, 2019
Eruditor:


They used that same view and drew the line from Stones. That was no VAR. That was the EPL showing a replay. I am not arguing for or against the goal but it was not VAR reviewed. If it was, they should have used alternate views to verify.
Alright. But from that view, Salah was onside
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Obere4u: 9:07pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:
How are these two scenes the same? Some analysts on NL sef.

Only one hand raised by Sissoko, TAA both hands by the side. Clear difference.

So why was Chelsea goal against Ajax cancelled cos Abraham hand was on his side why the ball hit him.?

Why was City goal against Totham cancelled ?

The referee and var had a bad game.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:08pm On Nov 10, 2019
Obere4u:


Mane wasn't looking at Sisoko?

Na wa to u bros.
If Mané was looking he would not have hit his torso. You can literally see Sissoko batting the ball with his extended arm. You people please everything is not unnecessary argument
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 9:09pm On Nov 10, 2019
Eruditor:


I mean it is not that hard.

Ask them if the ball had deflected into the post whether or not the ref would have allowed the goal to stand.

I just tire for dem.

The ref made a mistake which is not unusual for epl refs, but people now saying he made the right call and even trying to disregard past decisions that have been taken in such instances no be am at all

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Thecassanova: 9:10pm On Nov 10, 2019
BlueRayDick:


Oga once u make Ur Body bigger with Ur arms it's handball irrespective of where Ur hands are; whether in the air or on the floor.

Trent's hands obviously made his frame bigger than it actually is. Same as Sissoko's. They are both clear handball going by what FIFA tagged handball
According to the rule below, Sissoko raised his arm above shoulder-height and made his frame bigger. This means it’s most likely to be given than TAA with no raising. It’s that simple.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Thecassanova: 9:13pm On Nov 10, 2019
Obere4u:


So why was Chelsea goal against Ajax cancelled cos Abraham hand was on his side why the ball hit him.?

Why was City goal against Totham cancelled ?

The referee and var had a bad game.
With the new rule if the ball hits an attacker’s hand in any circumstance it’s handball.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:13pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:

According to the rule below, Sissoko raised his arm above shoulder-height and made his frame bigger. This means it’s most likely to be given than TAA with no raising. It’s that simple.
This thing is black and white now. Sterling took aim at his hands. That is what is annoying me the most
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 9:13pm On Nov 10, 2019
Eruditor:


Cc raumdeuter.

This was the view I saw and from this, he looks off. They did not review it.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:13pm On Nov 10, 2019
A40:
Trent had no shot at getting his hands from the way because Sterling aimed at it.

In Kimpembe's case his hands were clearly away from his body and in anticipation of a long range shot. No defender jumps like that while trying to block a shot. His hands were in an unnatural position. Trent's wasn't

Other defenders in such situation hide their hand behind them, Trent did not and makes him culpable for any contact his hand gets on the ball
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:14pm On Nov 10, 2019
BikeMan:
Ramdeuter, Veltman intentionally handled the ball. The ball didn't hit his hand, he hit the ball with his hand.

See how people are lying deliberately here

Who can pull a gif of Ajax vs Chelsea 4-4 the second penalty which got Veltman sent off
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:15pm On Nov 10, 2019
Obere4u:


So why was Chelsea goal against Ajax cancelled cos Abraham hand was on his side why the ball hit him.?

Why was City goal against Totham cancelled ?

The referee and var had a bad game.

One call is a bad game, 2 , 3 calls is deliberate
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:16pm On Nov 10, 2019
[quote author=obainojazz post=83913788][/quote] what's this grin
Oga find ruler your hand no straight jare

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 9:17pm On Nov 10, 2019
iamoyindamola:
what's this grin
Oga find ruler your hand no straight jare
grin I don sha draw my own
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Obere4u: 9:19pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:

With the new rule if the ball hits an attacker’s hand in any circumstance it’s handball.

So what the new rule say when the ball hits a defender hand in any circumstance?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 9:19pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:


Other defenders in such situation hide their hand behind them, Trent did not and makes him culpable for any contact his hand gets on the ball
Some do and some don't. Smart refs use their discretion and know the difference that is why they said CAN and not will for exceptional cases like this where Sterling was trying to be smart
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 9:21pm On Nov 10, 2019
It seems most people here are deliberately ignoring the fact that English FA rules differ from the one UEFA use especially when it comes to handball, offside and VAR.


Issokay.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:23pm On Nov 10, 2019
If only the player fouled was named Mane, it would have been a foul and penalty

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Thecassanova: 9:27pm On Nov 10, 2019
Obere4u:


So what the new rule say when the ball hits a defender hand in any circumstance?
About Abraham handball In the UCL the rule says

“Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental”.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:27pm On Nov 10, 2019
A40:
Some do and some don't. Smart refs use their discretion and know the difference that is why they said CAN and not will for exceptional cases like this where Sterling was trying to be smart

Imagine this

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:28pm On Nov 10, 2019
larride:
It seems most people here are deliberately ignoring the fact that English FA rules differ from the one UEFA use especially when it comes to handball, offside and VAR.


Issokay.

The City vs Spurs goal that was disallowed by VAR was in the EPL when there was an acidental handball when Laporte was pulled

In the same EPL today 2 handballs and a likely offside were ignored

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Obere4u: 9:28pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:

About Abraham handball In the UCL the rule says

“Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental”.

Why was Liverpool first goal not disallowed since it the hand ball that started the counter attack?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:28pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:
With the right calls the game would have been closer

Recharge and make the right calls for them. Fraudiola getting exposed by a good attack. Overrated coach who doesn't know how to defend. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:30pm On Nov 10, 2019
Obere4u:


Why was Liverpool first goal not disallowed since it the hand ball that started the counter attack?

Don't be so loud. You will scare all the haters away.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Thecassanova: 9:32pm On Nov 10, 2019
[quote author=obainojazz post=83913788][/quote]
A difficult call. Maybe the leg of that guy beside Mane.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:33pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:
If only the player fouled was named Mane, it would have been a foul and penalty


My only real anger was the shoving and pushing without yellow cards. It gave LFC players confidence to keep tackling so hard.

Nothing spoil though. Except we are talking about another season. This loss will work in Pep's favor.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:33pm On Nov 10, 2019
A40:
Kimpembe's hands were in the air. Trent's hands were by his side. The ball was coming from a much further distance in Kimpembe's case

So you get sense pass raumdeuter like this? Why was it always difficult to correct him in so many instances in the past? grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Obere4u: 9:33pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:
If only the player fouled was named Mane, it would have been a foul and penalty

This same push was done on Odoi and Odoi ended up receiving Yellow card for diving. From this same Oliver

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 9:34pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:

A difficult call. Maybe the leg of that guy beside Mane.

Use the blade of grass to compare if your line is parallel.

I am not arguing about the goal. I just thought they will review it for a while before coming to a conclusion.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:34pm On Nov 10, 2019
Thecassanova:

A difficult call. Maybe the leg of that guy beside Mane.

What's the difficult call here? Stones leg clearly keeps salah onside.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Emaprince: 9:35pm On Nov 10, 2019
raumdeuter:


Can you pull your penalty vs Ajax that got Veltman sent off? to see if his hand was not in a natural position
Odoi was very far from the ajax player. So he clearly saw it coming. But sterling was very close to Trent and deliberately played the ball to his hand because he wouldnt have the time to dodge it. Thank God the ref was there with them to see everything for himself. Nice call.

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