i have noticed a perceptional view equating atheists and agnostics in most forums. While an atheist disbelieves the existence of a supreme being, an agnostic is a person who is undecided about the existence of a supreme being....in otherwords, if a religioner is on the right and an atheist is on the left, the agnostic is midpoint......

it doesnt matter. All atheists are agnostic. The word agnostic was coined to avoid discrimination against those who were atheists. It's a distinction without a difference.

ea7: it doesnt matter. All atheists are agnostic. The word agnostic was coined to avoid discrimination against those who were atheists. It's a distinction without a difference.

You're on some good shit, I tell you..

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- Theists believe the number above is the solution to a problem.
- Christians believe the problem was 1+1
- Muslims believe the problem was the root of 4
- Others have different questions they believe led to this number.
- Agnostic theists (which closely defines me) believe there was probably a question, but it's impossible for anyone to know what question.

-Non-theists (atheists) believe 2 came about on its own. THERE was no question.

THIS IS MY OPINION. Others may choose to give more indepth explanations.

ea7: it doesnt matter. All atheists are agnostic. The word agnostic was coined to avoid discrimination against those who were atheists. It's a distinction without a difference.

Am trying to show d distinction and u r still confusing urself....

Yes, there are very diffrent..I think Agnosticism is just bieng confused at a crossroad of belief and non-belief...

lekkie073:
Am trying to show d distinction and u r still confusing urself....

i said, you made a distinction witout pointing out a fundamental difference. Let's point out this, are you agnostic to thor? Yes, but you still dont live in his shadow do you. Atheists say that god PROBABLY does not exist or he cannot be proven to exist beyond a reasonable doubt. Besides to the chrissie, hell's for both of us anyway.

The confusion here is that there are different types of agnostics.


- those who are the crossroads of belief and non-belief.


-those who want evidence before saying there is a god or there is no god. these people are not so different from atheists

logicboy: The confusion here is that there are different types of agnostics.


- those who are the crossroads of belief and non-belief.


-those who want evidence before saying there is a god or there is no god. these people are not so different from atheists

They r totally different. If i neither belong to pdp now acn, am i not differeng to a pdp or acn follower? Use ur head b4 u vomit....

lekkie073:
They r totally different. If i neither belong to pdp now acn, am i not differeng to a pdp or acn follower? Use ur head b4 u vomit....

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Your analogy is quite irrelevant to the topic at hand. Did I say there is no difference between atheism and agnosticism .. They are different but have some overlaps depending on the type of agnostic one is.


You are very dull

An agnostic is an athiests who still in the closet. For a long time, I called myself an agnostic because, subconsciously, I was afraid to admit or face the facts that god might simply not exist. Over time, I began to accept the the existence of god as a NOTION rather than as a fact.
No disrepect to agnostics, but I think its a state of confusion where one feels safe to be neutral. Once you reject the judeo-christian concepts of devinity, even if you still hold on to the belief in a supreme creator and source of all things,as long as you agree that it is just a NOTION, then we are all on the same side.lol.

lekkie073: i have noticed a perceptional view equating atheists and agnostics in most forums. While an atheist disbelieves the existence of a supreme being, an agnostic is a person who is undecided about the existence of a supreme being....in otherwords, if a religioner is on the right and an atheist is on the left, the agnostic is midpoint......

Exactly!
More so. . . an Agnostic believes WHATEVER he or she wants to believe ACCORDING to his or her comfort zones.
Agnostics can change to suit his or her environment. I LOVE IT!
My own God exists o.
My own God is created in my own image and likeness. One of tolerance and no bull-shyting!
It is MOST DEFINITELY not a CHRISTIAN one.
Hallelujah!

Callotti:

Exactly!
My own God exists o.
My own God is created in my own image and likeness. One of tolerance and no bull-shyting!
It is MOST DEFINITELY not a CHRISTIAN one.
Hallelujah!

Amen

logicboy:

Amen

X100

As an Agnostic. . . I am NOT an Atheist in the closet o!
I just love the freedom of being a 'FREE THINKER'!
I don't wanno be restricted in a box or to one label.
I LOVE TO THINK WHAT I FEEL. . . SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND DYNAMISM!

I hate a 'follow-follow' life or existence WITH PROPHETS AND SUCH SHYTTY CONCEPTS!

MOST IMPORTANTLY. . . I DETEST GROUP-THINK!

I love individualistic sets of beliefs. An Agnostic is a FREE THINKER.

Yeah. . . my husband and kids have gone to church. . . AND MOMMY STAYS HOME. . . FREEEEEEEEEE TO THINK! No stress!

logicboy:


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Your analogy is quite irrelevant to the topic at hand. Did I say there is no difference between atheism and agnosticism .. They are different but have some overlaps depending on the type of agnostic one is.


You are very dull

I may be dull to a level but definitely i know am wiser than u and ur siblings put together!

Callotti: As an Agnostic. . . I am NOT an Atheist in the closet o!
I just love the freedom of being a 'FREE THINKER'!
I don't wanno be restricted in a box or to one label.
I LOVE TO THINK WHAT I FEEL. . . SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND DYNAMISM!

I hate a 'follow-follow' life or existence WITH PROPHETS AND SUCH SHYTTY CONCEPTS!

MOST IMPORTANTLY. . . I DETEST GROUP-THINK!

I love an individualistic sets of beliefs. An Agnostic is a FREE THINKER.

Yeah. . . my husband and kids have gone to church. . . AND MOMMY STAYS HOME. . . FREEEEEEEEEE TO THINK! No stress!

U surely know urself. Unlike Someppl who cannot really fathom who they are. U can name urself 'wise' and still be a foolish person.

Callotti: As an Agnostic. . . I am NOT an Atheist in the closet o!
I just love the freedom of being a 'FREE THINKER'!
I don't wanno be restricted in a box or to one label.
I LOVE TO THINK WHAT I FEEL. . . SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND DYNAMISM!

I hate a 'follow-follow' life or existence WITH PROPHETS AND SUCH SHYTTY CONCEPTS!

MOST IMPORTANTLY. . . I DETEST GROUP-THINK!

I love an individualistic sets of beliefs. An Agnostic is a FREE THINKER.

Yeah. . . my husband and kids have gone to church. . . AND MOMMY STAYS HOME. . . FREEEEEEEEEE TO THINK! No stress!

Thank you... may your GOD image bless you

lekkie073:
I may be dull to a level but definitely i know am wiser than u and ur siblings put together!

you sound hurt


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logicboy:


you sound hurt


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Am never hurt.....i just give it back the way its given to me

plaetton: An agnostic is an athiests who still in the closet.

Oh no no, the Agnostic says he cannot know and does not know: and indeed the matter remains unknowable. That is not atheism.

For a long time, I called myself an agnostic because, subconsciously, I was afraid to admit or face the facts that god might simply not exist. Over time, I began to accept the the existence of god as a NOTION rather than as a fact.
No disrepect to agnostics, but I think its a state of confusion where one feels safe to be neutral. Once you reject the judeo-christian concepts of devinity, even if you still hold on to the belief in a supreme creator and source of all things,as long as you agree that it is just a NOTION, then we are all on the same side.lol.

Oh no no no again, you are no atheist: you are well known to be a breed of pantheist.

But i do not ,with certainty, believe in a creator like all thiests. i believe that the universe most likely did not need a creator. Doesn't that make me an athiest?

Deep Sight:

Oh no no, the Agnostic says he cannot know and does not know: and indeed the matter remains unknowable. That is not atheism.

Why is it difficult for people to understand this?

musKeeto:
Why is it difficult for people to understand this?

Som ppl understand but always feel like adding or removing from laid down facts....a syndrome refered to as over-sabi..

Left to me, I don't really see much difference. There are subtle distinction tho. I m a freethinker too but I still accept the possibility of a God( not the religious version anyway).
All these atheists,agnostic and so on, I believe are in same boat. Different but still very similar. The little distinctions notwithstanding.

Avicenna: Left to me, I don't really see much difference. There are subtle distinction tho. I m a freethinker too but I still accept the possibility of a God( not the religious version anyway).
All these atheists,agnostic and so on, I believe are in same boat. Different but still very similar. The little distinctions notwithstanding.

And by the world's system of giving tags to everything, that makes you an agnostic theist...

plaetton: An agnostic is an athiests who still in the closet. For a long time, I called myself an agnostic because, subconsciously, I was afraid to admit or face the facts that god might simply not exist. Over time, I began to accept the the existence of god as a NOTION rather than as a fact.
No disrepect to agnostics, but I think its a state of confusion where one feels safe to be neutral. Once you reject the judeo-christian concepts of devinity, even if you still hold on to the belief in a supreme creator and source of all things,as long as you agree that it is just a NOTION, then we are all on the same side.lol.

I disagree with you. I am agnostic and completely debunk all religious gods because they are illogical to accept based on rational reasoning. However, I have no proof that there is no possibility of a supreme being out there and if he exist, I don't give a damn. So because I refused to accept religion as a possible solution to something I'm not 100% sure of, I am an agnostic or better still, atheistic agnostic.

Avicenna: Left to me, I don't really see much difference. There are subtle distinction tho. I m a freethinker too but I still accept the possibility of a God( not the religious version anyway).
All these atheists,agnostic and so on, I believe are in same boat. Different but still very similar. The little distinctions notwithstanding.

very true. We reason in the same direction except the atheist is a little bit to the extreme

musKeeto:
And by the world's system of giving tags to everything, that makes you an agnostic theist...

Na jus possibility o. That's the problem, every distinction no matter how subtle, people must have a word for it. I still maintain my atheism. Some may think I'm confused about their meanings but I'm not the type to sweat irrelevant distinction.

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Nice one.. I hate tags also.. can't people just be?

2good:
very true. We reason in the same direction except the atheist is a little bit to the extreme

Most atheists hold that view. Since its not possible to disprove the existence of a God( whether particle,equation or even a indifferent conscious being),you cannot scientifically completely discard the possibility.
Atheism covers all of the distinctions. That's why I am one. If you ignore the distinctions, they are basically almost the same. (All of the distinctions disagree with the religious Gods)

Throughout history the distinction between Atheism and Agnosticism has been very clear.But in the recent past, subcategories of have emerged.for example Strong Agnosticism and Weak Agnosticism.A strong Agnostic does not know whether the God exists.But, he goes further and says no one can ever know.It is indeed a confounding position since it lays claim a fact or knowledge of facts that renders any quest to prove the existence or non-existence of God to be futile.

A weak Agnostic on the other hand simply says he/she does not know whether God exists or not.Unlike a strong agnostic, the weak agnostic does not take on any unnecesary burden of proving why the existence of God is unknowable.

Avicenna:
M[b]ost atheists hold that view. Since its not possible to disprove the existence of a God( whether particle,equation or even a indifferent conscious being),[/b]you cannot scientifically completely discard the possibility.
Atheism covers all of them. That's why I am one. If you ignore the distinctions, they are basically almost the same.

It is possible to show with argumentation that the existence of God is highly unlikely.Absolute Certainty is not a prerequisite for proving the truth or falsehood of a claim.