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Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by mekoyo(m): 2:40pm On Nov 25, 2007 |
When are we going to stop this Bakassi issue? Just see the way our past leaders have mislead and mishandled this country, to the extent of selling a part of their land for what i dont know, bla, bla, bakassi, bakassi, bakassi, Lets wait and see what Yaradua's administration will do about this. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by Nobody: 6:21pm On Nov 25, 2007 |
willy*2: WHY DON'T U SHUT THE F88CK UP. IF YOU READ THE THREAD VERY WELL YOU WILL NOTE THAT THIS HAS GONE BEYONG THE HAUSA, IGBO,YORUBA SHIT. WE ARE DISCUSSIN THE LEGALITY OF WHAT OBJ DID AND U R OPENING UNNESSARY HISTORY JAGONS. PLS GET A LIFE AND FORGET ABOUT THIS TRIBE STUFF. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by ininathan(m): 8:51pm On Nov 25, 2007 |
When I was in secondary sch i was giving the mentallity of how the map of my country look like now tell me the sycological event it will create in me by reversing the trend. when it would happen I will run back home to defend that land. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by willy4: 9:49pm On Nov 25, 2007 |
cool4ny:Mumu, Yoruba Obasanjo and Hausa/Fulani Northern Gowon willingly gave away our Bakassi to Cameroon because it's not Yoruba or H /Fulaniland, can they do that to their Tribe?=No. well, i will not blame them. i sounded warning to my people how dangerous this tribes are, but they refused to listen, can you people see now what they had done to us? are your eyes clear now or still blind !!!!?, in daylight our Bakassi is gone, the children of Bakassi are now Refugee, because of this dangerous tribes. Kei!!!! it's a pity. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by debosky(m): 11:39pm On Nov 25, 2007 |
Another rash of emotional responses. Has anyone here even bothered to seek out the historical antecedents of the dispute? Its a matter of splitting the Efik people right? So the Efiks magically end on the tip of Bakassi Peninsula and not one soul is found on the Camerounian side? This Gowon dashing business has not been backed up by fact, its just silly conjecture brought up to blur the issues If there was a wrong delineation of the borders that has now been corrected, what is the hold that you have on Bakassi as the 'nation' Nigeria? fighting war 'not listening to white judges' and other such silly comments are unwarranted. Emotional responses to an issue which deserves deep examination is not going to help anything. I repeat how much of this right to self determination has been given to other groups? How many Yoruba people in 1960 decided to be part of Nigeria and not Benin or Togo? Or Hausas decide to be in Nigeria or Niger? If you say the Bakassi people should be allowed to simply move where they want, then fine, Dacosta Street, Lagos wants to be independent now we shall be known as Republic of Da-Costa The ownership of the land has not changed, the Bakassi people still own their land, no one has chased them off and placed Camerounians there. The land's national authority has changed, but on the micro level, things remain as they were. The Bakassi people should focus on getting a good deal from the Camerounian government, I wonder what they have benefited from Nigeria all this while. I would rather take my chances with another government if I were them. Mr babasin is saying fund southern Cameroun to secede. . .of what benefit is that to you? All these delusions of grandeur and ludicrous suggestions all in the name of being a 'power' like the 'WEST' is simply foolishness. Nothing is being 'given' away Have any of you examined the original maps of the areas named Nigeria and Cameroun? That is how you became 'Nigerians' not because anyone 'dashed' anything out. A longstanding error was corrected, simple and short. Forget about this issue and let us move forward as a nation. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by doyin13(m): 1:01am On Nov 26, 2007 |
Debo--------is your surname OLEMBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by debosky(m): 2:49am On Nov 26, 2007 |
doyin13: Doyin you no like me o! Why didn't you say my Surname is Eto'o? At least I'll be getting some of that Barca cheddar All these people dey scream for Bakassi to remain in naija, I wonder what the country ever did for Bakassi. I hope they stay in Cameroun and get a better deal, If they do I will move my hometown in Osun state to become part of Benin Republic |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by naijaway(m): 4:51am On Nov 26, 2007 |
We should be more concerned with Sudan and ready for Sudan where our soldiers died than cameroun even though we should be all around prepared. We should lobby for bakassi to choose either they want to be cameroun, or Nigeria, or their own with Nigerian help inotherwords a mini Nigeria. We should also lower our rhetoric n not talk about regular oil in bakassi, but focus our yarns on the people and historical facts while we incite democracy on camerounians, pan Africanism, and openness at the same time we shouldn't forget to keep improving militarily. Cuz we are going to also need cameroun for something bigger in AU things as a whole but we should denouce their government in the name of democracy. It should be made clear that West Africa is free of dictactors and power grabbers. I say some of this cuz at this point all these old men just want to do something in a haste to show that they don't just eat money and do no public work. They should be realistic, say some planes strike calabar, bakassi, port harcourt, Lagos and abuja what will they do? I bet u that day, airport, border, and embassies go full not only regular civilians but all those senators; dat time Ghana will be very OK for u cuz how will u fight plane na, who train u abi wetin u go use. One of the things they have to do is to solve that issue based on fairness and goodwill while we still have our eyes on sudan. The prospects of full scale yawa with cameroun with their help no go be cake walk, is not like they are not going to get it hot but we are sort of disorganized lacking everything possible; cuz a mumu shit like dat sometimes end up like damn! why? we should show we resist it but also ask cameroun like so what are you going to do without taking it. That way we can rally support in West Africa and some other big African nations. If u notice other African nations like us but they most times want us to make mistakes and get hurt maybe to teach us lesson, so this time they might not be on our side if we try to bully our way out. And dat reminds me, this is a test to our military to show they have some logical and communicative capabilities cuz if they can weep citizen like the devil and not have nothing to say, then they must be some heavy mumus. They should be able to come with either a peaceful idea or some form of direction but still with the president's approval. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by naijaking1: 5:40am On Nov 26, 2007 |
@debosky You make a very good point about Bakassi, however, my concern is about precedence. What if a Nigerian president decides to negotiate away another Nigerian enclave tomorrow, it may be Lagos to Benin Republic, Calabar to Cameroon, Maidugri to Chad, and so on, what can we do. I think the senate should ratify all foreign accords reached by the President(if that's not already the case). |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by babasin(m): 9:49am On Nov 26, 2007 |
Mr babasin is saying fund southern Cameroun to secede. . .of what benefit is that to you? This will keep the Biya and his frency boys busy while we consolidated and secure Bakassi. The ownership of the land has not changed, the Bakassi people still own their land, no one has chased them off and placed Camerounians there. You are joking right? They will be subject to Camerounia law and rule. The land does not belong to them anymore, they are being relocated to some part of Calabar while cameroun send his own people to occpuy the land. This shows very little you have on this. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by suprman: 1:41pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
Yewa-man, i dont blame u for saying bakasi does not belong to nigeria who are u to say that? Perhaps if bakasi was in ogun state u would have still opened ur filthy trash bin to say that. thats wat ur broda obasanjo tot that made him tlk carelessly that any decision by icj on the matter will be accpeted in good fate by nigerians as if he was nigeria. And others in the room who say nigeria accepted the judgment, let me tell u that obasanjo accepted it not nigerians. on the other hand i still understand why u are panicing over war treat by the issue, u are a yoruba person well known for fears. una no get liver at allllllllll. . una too de fear death Look as a real man u better call a spade spade and die honourably rather than living enslaved. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by Babylove2(f): 2:19pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
were there no Senate when Baba (OBJ) signed the agreement?? Or were they not educated enough to know that its against the so called 1999 Constitution?? |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by babasin(m): 2:52pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
were there no Senate when Baba (OBJ) signed the agreement? Good but this is what you get when you have dictator as President. That said, OBJ did not represent Nigeria at the 'Green Tree' agreement. He was playing to galary thinking the WEST will back his 3rd term like they are backing Musharaf now. Enough: where is yaradua action on this? when are the 'ground-forces' getting deployed? are we a toothless giant? |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by folem: 4:19pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
Both Nigeria and Cameroon are Products Of The Berlin Conference that partitioned Africa. If the same West now claims Bakassi belongs to Cameroon, Any talk about the reject of the transfer is just playing to the gallery unless you want to fight a war to claim the peninsula. African Union may decide in its wisdom to have a Bakassi Conference where a new map of Africa may be redrawn subject to a referendum of the people affected by relocation if any. What makes a Senegalese different from a Gambian?
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Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by idupaul: 5:21pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
Me thinks the senate are doing the right thing but rather late, I said this when the territory was ceded back then I made one remark "Obj has just turned on the proximity fuse for a future crisis bw nigeria and cameroun" . me is now being proven rite. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by klarry79: 5:38pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
[table]What is wrong with you all. The Ceding of Bakassi to Cameroun was one of the best things OBJ did. At least he showed that Africans can solve problems without barbarism. Now you all want to turn all that around and take the usual route of violence. "something dey worry una O!" [/table] Mr. Delex I think it is you that has a problem . Is that how you will open your eyes till they cede your hometown to lord knows who. In the age were nations are consolidating political power and influence through strategic alliances and geo-political expansion, Nigeria as stupid nd visionless as our leaders has often been goes the opposite direction. If bakassi was near US or Britain or Spain, it definitely would be a different story. these are countries that go half way round the world to claim territories that they have no relationship whatsoever with. but Bakasi (with nigerian inhabitants, speaking Nigerian language, with Nigerian culture) was given away to cameroun just like that. and you dare say it was a noble thing. ask the how important mainland asia is to them and ask the chinese why they refuse to give them even a single square foot. it shows that our leaders are ready to trade us off for whatever price that is on offer. cameroun was ready to die for bakassi because they understand the economic and political influence it would bring them. Our leaders saw them as a small island of peasants that had nothing to offer. may God deliver us from these evil men who simply have nothing to offer this nation. tomorrow it could be your hometown they would cede to togo or Niger republic. I wish we never got into his mess. I think we should move in to Bakassi and take back what is ours. (at least the military will then prove themselves to the country that they are able to defend us) |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by buluti(m): 9:11pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
So Nigerians really want a war, because we perceive that we can defeat Cameroun. How easy it is to criticise the United States, but see all of you shouting war, war. Absolute nonsense, the senate is just playing politics, nothing is going to change or happen. Its not only ground forces, its space forces. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by klarry79: 9:20pm On Nov 26, 2007 |
buluti how true your comments are i guess they want their share of the deal. its not that we nigerians like war but we have to defend our territorial integrity no matter how irrellevant or 'unuseful' or insignificant it may seem. nations and tribes go to war over land and we are doing father christmas with ours. what else can we get wrong as a nation |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by babasin(m): 12:04pm On Nov 27, 2007 |
Crystal Clear statement. What is this coward Yaradua waiting for The Senate is constitutionally right. And I support what the senators did because their action is in accordance with the law. First of all, there is the Bakassi Local Government Area as one of the 18 local government areas of Cross River State. And you will see that in the First Schedule Part I of the 1999 Constitution of Nigeria. If you also look at Section 3(1) of the Constitution, it states that there shall be 36 states in Nigeria. And Section 3(6) also provides that there shall be 768 local government areas. One of these local government areas is the Bakassi. So, Bakassi Local Government Area is entrenched in the constitution. Therefore, you cannot transfer Bakassi or cede it to any foreign country without amending the constitution. And I challenge anybody to fault that argument. ---> Absolutely. You cannot do anything on this matter until the 1999 Constitution is amended. Secondly, the people of Bakassi, and there are almost 200,000 of them, are Nigerians. When you transfer their territory to a foreign country, do they retain their nationalities as Nigerians or they become the nationals of the foreign country? In any case, no government has the legal power to transfer its nationals to a foreign government or territory? Those who are attacking the Senate, I want them to answer all these points. And importantly, the President of Nigeria, when he took office, he took oath as President i.e the oath of office. He also took the oath of allegiance. And in these oaths, he swore to protect the integrity of the country. Ceding part of the territory of Nigeria to a foreign country without going through the legal process is not part of obedience to oath of office or part of obedience to oath of allegiance. In my view, nobody can fault the decision of the Senate in this matter. It is legally and constitutionally right. If the President of Nigeria at that time entered into an agreement with his counterpart in Cameroun or with the government of Cameroun, such agreement cannot be effective – to transfer Bakassi to Cameroun – until such agreement is ratified under Section 12(1) of the 1999 Constitution and in accordance with our treaty obligations and the customary international law. These are the principles that apply; whether it is a unitary or federal state ---> Of course, there are precedents in history. The exchange of Greek and Turkish population in 1925 applies. And these are dealt with copiously in books on international Laws. And that principle applies, not only to federal states but to unitary states. Even if Nigeria wants to implement the ICJ’s judgment, you cannot implement it without obeying the provisions of our constitution. Any such implementation is ultra vires, null and void. Our constitution has to be amended in conformity with its provisions. Before you can alter the constitution or in order to implement any obligation of the ICJ or other international laws, no head of state has the power to flout the constitution and his oath of office under the guise of carrying out international obligations or implementing a judgment of the ICJ. The internal law and the constitution are very important and sacred. Any other approach is chaos and anarchy ---> Our 1999 Constitution is not in conflict with ICJ’s judgment. You have to amend the constitution in order to implement that judgment. The 1999 Constitution was there before the ICJ’s judgment was delivered in 2002. So, how can something in existence before the judgment be in conflict with something that came into effect or alive after the constitution? You see, it is not as if the judgment was there before the constitution was made. The constitution was there before the judgment was delivered. So, anybody who says that the constitution is in conflict with the ICJ’s judgment is talking nonsense. http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art2007112712114651 |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by jankaraman(m): 3:13am On Nov 28, 2007 |
Make una no worry about Bakassi o! Na arrangee with Cameroun. Very soon Cameroun go sell Bakassi to Transcorp , "OBJs" mega company and Bakassi will be back in the hands of "Nigeria" and dem go build a working refinery there weh go de provide petrol for the two countries. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by babasin(m): 10:41am On Nov 29, 2007 |
when are throwing this crazy, foolish OBJ back to prison for good this time Obasanjo said the last Senate and House of Representatives under the leadership of Senator Ken Nnamani and Hon. Aminu Bello Masari were duly served the Green Tree Agreement between Nigeria and Cameroon on the ceding of Bakassi for ratification by the National Assembly. He cant even understand the basic difference between 'informing' and getting 'written' approval. what a charlatant! Bakassi people are now speaking up: The Bakasi leaders further noted "while thanking the generality of Nigerians for their maturity and understanding displayed this far, we wish to state that the struggle for a sovereign Bakasi land is our collective dream and relentless struggle." What the f**k this yaradua waiting for? where are the ground forces or his he going to call the british?? This yaradua is a weakling, the more he waits, the better french and Cameroun are better prepared. example: you see how turkey started moving it forces towards iraqi; quickly everyone was listening to them. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by youngies(m): 7:25pm On Nov 29, 2007 |
OBJ was actually aiming to be nominated a nobel prize winner for "peace". What an overfed frog!!! |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by nacom(f): 10:52pm On Nov 29, 2007 |
A lot of stupid and senseless posts from the agitators of war all in the name of supporting the quite dumb senators whom seem to have woken up from slumber when they actually gave the nod to OBJ when he ceded Bakassi to Cameroun. Please let the Senators face more realistic issues,never in a 1000 years can then revert the ruling passed by the International Court of Justice,Hague. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by Nobody: 12:09am On Nov 30, 2007 |
na.com: lol the same "court" whose rulings are none binding on the US and the very Europeans who set it up? African mentality na wa. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by babasin(m): 8:40am On Nov 30, 2007 |
lol the same "court" whose rulings are none binding on the US and the very Europeans who set it up? exactly. Africans still subject themselves to 'slavery' isreal never obey any of ICJ rules. And our Senate is above ICJ, its time we show this to the world. The world we treat us, the way we want to be treated; slave or independent people. Hear Ajibola speaking: According to Ajibola, as a member of the United Nations, Nigeria has no choice but to abide by the decision of the ICJ not minding whether it was able to put its house in order by ensuring that the appropriate legislative agency ratify such a decisionshocking! and Akinjide: "where an agreement is subject to ratification under the Nigerian Constitution, such as in the Nigeria/Cameroon Bakassi controversy, the signature, that of President Obasanjo, does not, in international law, establish consent by the Nigeria state to be bound. so we know ajibola is doing obj work; trying to save face. what a country! |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by folem: 11:16am On Nov 30, 2007 |
Nigeria's border demarcation is an ongoing process and many Villages will be won and lost in the North and South during this process. All the war mongers should better find something else to do.
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Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by denex: 11:28am On Nov 30, 2007 |
Some people are trying to use big, big words like Ramification and Ratification to beat the drums of war. May God punish them all. Our president is our representative and whatever he says or does while holding that office is seen as an action by us all. Why will people call on us to disobey an ICJ ruling simply because some rogue states have decided to use war as their only means of international diplomacy? Nigeria would have not gone to the ICJ if we did not intend to obey the ruling. Would we have called for the ruling to be disobeyed if it was in our favour? WE WILL NOT EIGHT A WAR THAT WAS SCRIPTED IN EUROPE HALF A DECADE AGO!!! |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by McKren(m): 11:28am On Nov 30, 2007 |
Some Nigerian Newspapers dont seem to know the difference between Prince Bola Ajibola and FG. Sorry out of curiousity does Bola hold an office in the FG that am not aware of? |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by McKren(m): 11:35am On Nov 30, 2007 |
Denex God knows the rougue states who disobeyed ICJ ruling you are talking of, USA? Spain? The judge who precided over Nigeria/Cameroon case was French. Need I remind you the French Government's position on this whole issue It is curious that an ICJ ruling which was not binding on Nigeria is one of the few Judgements OBJ's Government implemented hastily. You know why we lost Bakassi?? Our priority was to avert war not to posses what is ours while the Cameroonians where busy threatening war. You don't go to a negotiation table with cold feet. If war breaks out between Nigeria and Cameroon tomorrow, we will not feel the consequences alone so I don't understand why it should be up to us to avert war by giving up what is ours. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by folem: 12:01pm On Nov 30, 2007 |
McKren: Do you sincerely believe that Bakassi belongs to Nigeria (rather than being inhabited by people who now refers to themselves as Nigerians who could have been Biafrans for example) based on the maps Of Nigeria and Cameroon drawn by the European Powers (Colonizers) and from the Picture shown above? |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by McKren(m): 12:20pm On Nov 30, 2007 |
folem: Dont start a debate you can not win There are defects in that map as Akinjide stated, it did not take into cognisance the wish of Obong of Calabar or the then Calabar people in general, just the like the present ICJ ruling did not take into cognisance the wish of the Present day Bakassi people. No one else know the Nationality of the Bakassi people than the Bakassi people themselves. And any attempt to present defective maps drawn during the colonial era is simply celebrating the colonial and slave trade era. Arround the world the West are appologising for what their forefathers did, if we are upholding the wish of our colonial masters against the wish of the inhabitants of Bakassi (in terms of defining the Nationality of Bakassi) then we simply have no right to grief of our history. Prince Bola Ajibola should kindly allow the Bakassi people decide their own Nationality, I guess if he was from Bakassi himself he will not hold the same position. |
Re: Senate Rejects Transfer Of Bakassi To Cameroun by folem: 12:32pm On Nov 30, 2007 |
Bakassi people have a right to determine thier Nationality. The ICJ judgement only confirms that the land on which they live on is within the jurisdiction of Cameroon. They may decide to continue living there as immigrants or relocate to another land within Nigeria's jurisdiction. |
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