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South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by pelumy: 1:28pm On Nov 27, 2007
Im planning my vacation to Jboug and Cape town can you pls tell me the dos and donts , thanks my Naija pple.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by babasin(m): 3:07pm On Nov 27, 2007
ummm, I wont visit SA for N1mill naira.

It is a dangerous country. Probablity of getting killed or robbed is trippled compare to Nigeria.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by ernal(m): 6:11pm On Nov 27, 2007
Well i dont think SA is a crime place,pleumy u can go to SA,you can either go to port Elizabeth,Cape Town,Potschefstroom, Randburg,well avoid the heart of Joanburg and Pretoria,as long a syou dont stay out to late,You safe, well again the Ladys are the Bomb.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by dejia(m): 12:30am On Nov 29, 2007
Hi,
I have stayed in SA for 5years now, i tell you its one of the best place in Africa.
infact you have Nigerians move from UK to come settle here,
SA is like Lagos, u know where and when to go to dangerous places, its not as bad as u get to read or view it in the news.
I stay in Pretoria(capital)i think u shd visit pretoria & cape town( the 6th most beautiful city in the whole world)when u come over.
I have a self contained flat( accomodation) for pple coming on Holidays,hollymooners etc @ a reasonable rate. let me know if u will be interested, i can work out a tour to Sun city,Gold reef city etc,
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by babasin(m): 8:55am On Nov 29, 2007
below will educate you:

By Tunmise Adekunle, 11.29.2007
THISDAY Investigations

If you are a Nigerian business traveller to South Africa, you have to tread, or rather, fly with caution. You may lose all you have to a specialised robbery syndicate in Johannesburg as soon as you arrive.
THISDAY checks revealed that in the last two weeks, no fewer than seven Nigerians have been victims of this syndicate that has attacked over 50 Nigerian business travellers in the last few months.
Dozens of Nigerians are also said to be daily harassed and subtly threatened by immigration officers in South Africa whenever they arrive aboard a Nigerian airline.

The syndicate is believed to include a strong network of immigration officials who allegedly leak the information provided by Nigerians on their landing cards to the robbers.
The information usually contains the addresses the Nigerian visitors would stay on their trip. The cash declaration form also provides sensitive information with which the syndicate works.

Sources say the attacks on Nigerians are not unconnected to the fact that Nigeria travellers carry huge sums of money on their trips, and they are easily identified by the airline on which they arrive the country.
It was also gathered that the robbery is hatched during the immigration check of these travellers, and by the time the traveller is through with declaring all currencies and valuables, he/she leaves the airport only to be attacked by armed men who dispossess them of their valuables.

Folake Mumuni, a British Airways staff in Johannesburg, is one of the latest casualties, while Kaliko Olowole, Managing Director of ZK Advertising, Nigeria; Yinka Folami, Group Account Director, Insight/Grey Advertising, Nigeria; Kehinde Tejumola Idowu, a model; Deji Longe, electronic installer and consultant with Multichoice Nigeria on DStv; are a few of the casualties who have recounted their experiences to THISDAY.
Most victims would want to remain anonymous for security reasons.

THISDAY also gathered that most of the victims are robbed of all their belongings, including luggage and international passports.
Some victims have had to come back to Nigeria with their travel certificates, while some others are stranded in South Africa because they have no travelling documents to return home.

Mumuni’s experience happened about two weeks ago when she went to Johannesburg. She was reportedly trailed to her house in River Club, Johannesburg, where she was dispossessed of all her belongings, including her Nigerian passport, by three armed men. Though, she confirmed the incident to THISDAY on phone, she could not give a full account of her ordeal because she was about boarding a flight out of Johannesburg when THISDAY spoke with her.

Olowole was attacked on September 30, 2007 when he went on official assignment. According to him, “I got to Johannesburg on that fateful Sunday; my friend came to pick me to Midrand. As we were getting home, we just saw a car behind us then somebody jumped off the car, pounced on the security man at the gate, pointed a gun at him, while the other two well-dressed guys followed us in and held us hostage. I parted with all my belongings including my international passport, which they later returned to me. They are mean South Africans”.

Another victim is Folami, Group Account Director, Insight/Grey Advertising in Nigeria. He was attacked on July, 15, 2007 when he went to Johannesburg for the production of the Gulder Lager commercials.
Folami recounts: “I went to Johannesburg to tidy up the post production of Gulder television commercial with our production partner in South Africa, Red Dot Production, which is run by Chris Briggs. We arrived at Johannesburg at about 5.50 am and I called Chris, who sent his driver to come and pick me. We left the airport at 7.20 am for Protea Wanderers Hotel, Ilovo. After ten minutes of my arrival at the hotel, Chris came in hugged me and before we knew anything, a man hit him at the shoulder and when he turned back, he wanted to fight him. You know most white guys South Africa have military training.
“But as he was about doing this, another emerged from no where with a gun, cocked it and pointed it at Chris’ stomach, telling him to lie down or he would be dead. By that Chris lay down and told me to do the same with his driver. They took my entire luggage, my laptop, my Nigerian international passport and every other thing I had on me. I had to come back with a travel certificate issued by the Nigerian consulate in Johannesburg”.

The experience of Idowu is not totally different, only that as at the time of writing this report, she was stranded in South Africa due to lack of travelling document to come back to Nigeria. According to the student of the Lagos State University who spoke with THISDAY from South Africa, “when I arrived Johannesburg on October 6, 2007, it took two hours for our luggage to be cleared and by the time we were through with that and the immigration checks, I left with my friends, Adebisi Showemimo and Waribi Martha that came to pick me. At about 8.45 am around Ilovo mill, a car came from no where and three guys came out of the car and pointed their guns at us. They asked me to open the boot, we did and they took my entire luggage, my money, my international passport, while they also collected bags and other valuables from Adebisi and Martha. As I’m speaking to you, I do not have even a travelling document to come back to Nigeria”.

THISDAY also gathered that three Nigerians came back to Nigeria with travel certificates issued by the Nigerian High Commission in South Africa, because they had also been victims of the airport robbery syndicate.
Marketing Manager of Virgin Nigeria, Seun Shoyinka, who was on board, confirmed the predicament of these three Nigerians. According to him, “I cannot confirm their names now until I lay my hands on the manifest for that day”.

There was also a story of three managers of First City Monument Bank (FCMB) who were on a training trip to South Africa about three months ago. They were followed to their hotels and stripped of all their belongings. They reportedly came back to Nigeria with travel certificates.

Another victim, Deji Longe, volunteered to speak with THISDAY. He is an electronic installer and consultant with Multichoice Nigeria on DStv installations and repairs.
His own ordeal was on September, 23, 2007.
“I got to Johannesburg at 6.30 am and we were not cleared early enough. The robbery happened at around 8.30 at Park More, Sandton. We were trying to locate our destination when a car with three guys emerged in our front. We reversed and they drove towards us. We were forced to stop and the guys came out of this car with guns. They collected 10,000 US Dollars from me. My laptop was taken; my passport snatched and other valuables. I had to come back to Nigeria on travel certificate.”
Longe confirmed that “once you declare your currencies and valuables at the airport, they follow you and unleash terror. The worst is that all complaints made to the police authorities in South Africa have produced no result. They claim they are hindered.”

The South African High Commission in Nigeria refused to comment on the issue when contacted by THISDAY.
Officials said the High Commission would soon address a press conference over the issue.


http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=96550
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by MsCee(f): 4:08pm On Nov 29, 2007
Well, my company is sending me to south africa for a week in a few days. i have my visa and have booked my flight but family and friends have been trying to discourage me since i told them about it. i dont know what is going on in that country but with wat ive heard lately, i dont think i can risk it.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by dejia(m): 4:45pm On Nov 29, 2007
MsCee:

Well, my company is sending me to south africa for a week in a few days. i have my visa and have booked my flight but family and friends have been trying to discourage me since i told them about it. i don't know what is going on in that country but with what ive heard lately, i don't think i can risk it.

If u ask Oyinbo Man that has not been to Nigeria before and only watches CNN, reads Niger delta stories,reads about Sharia in Zamfara etc,  to go to Tinapa in calabar will he go?

I think every country has got its good and bad side, every country including the US has got places like Oshodi.

The most important thing is u have to be careful, know where to go and when.
SA to me is a nice place,  there is crime but not as much as publishized in the press.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by almondjoy(f): 6:59pm On Nov 29, 2007
Jo-Burg is great as a visitor. 

Stay away from Nigerians and always take your passport with you--even to the bathroom.

Limit your visits to Nigerian homes if you are not sure what they do for a living.

Use an agent to get you reputable Transportation services to take you around.

Try not to go out at night if you can avoid it.

Always keep your receipts for what you paid for.

Always use a tour guide when you are about town.

Locate the nearest police precinct/hospital/bank and so on and so forth--with telephone numbers handy.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by ernal(m): 10:40pm On Nov 29, 2007
Thanks Deejay,i have being to SA 3 times this year and its a beautiful place and yes i will always come back again and again when i get the chance to,well i added you to my Chat id and maybe we can talk about the accommodation thing,thanks.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by oell(m): 5:05pm On Nov 30, 2007
When coming into Lagos do you declare all the Money you have
PLease do the Same for Joburg, In fact do Just the same you do as when coming to Muritala in Lagos,
1. Your Luggage write an Official Address. eg( Redeemed Church Has Over 20 Parishes in South Africa)
2. Don't declare all you money in the Form ( declare TC not Cash)
3. Dont change money at the Airport, If you have to Just enough to get you into town.
4. Buy Rand Cash at MMA or Ikoyi Hotal =N=19 to R1
5. don't talk to Any one you don't know at the Airport
6. Don't Linger at the Airport move Fast and Watch ur Back

SA is Very Nice, Ask those that have had Nice experiences about Cab Drivers Cell Nos

Cheers
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by Dantecmu(m): 7:56pm On Nov 30, 2007
babasin:

um mm, I wont visit SA for N1mill Nara.

It is a dangerous country. Probability of getting killed or robbed is trippled compare to Nigeria.

Did u mean even with a 1million naira bribe they wont allow u into SA. If u know nothing about a country then don't discourage intending travellers. Was in SA some few months back and its a lovely country stayed in Pretoria Centurion to be precise, its was a wonderfull experience and i stayed late nights and i wasn't harassed by anybody. My rating is this befour Nigeria would be as developed as SA should be bout 200yrs from now as for the violence in SA i feel its normal everywhere. so pls go and have n experience it urself and don't let pple tell you based on hear say.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by Dantecmu(m): 8:22pm On Nov 30, 2007
If you are a Nigerian business traveller to South Africa, you have to tread, or rather, fly with caution. You may lose all you have to a specialised robbery syndicate in Johannesburg as soon as you arrive.
THISDAY checks revealed that in the last two weeks, no fewer than seven Nigerians have been victims of this syndicate that has attacked over 50 Nigerian business travellers in the last few months.
Dozens of Nigerians are also said to be daily harassed and subtly threatened by immigration officers in South Africa whenever they arrive aboard a Nigerian airline.
The syndicate is believed to include a strong network of immigration officials who allegedly leak the information provided by Nigerians on their landing cards to the robbers.
The information usually contains the addresses the Nigerian visitors would stay on their trip. The cash declaration form also provides sensitive information with which the syndicate works.
Sources say the attacks on Nigerians are not unconnected to the fact that Nigeria travellers carry huge sums of money on their trips, and they are easily identified by the airline on which they arrive the country.
It was also gathered that the robbery is hatched during the immigration check of these travellers, and by the time the traveller is through with declaring all currencies and valuables, he/she leaves the airport only to be attacked by armed men who dispossess them of their valuables.
Folake Mumuni, a British Airways staff in Johannesburg, is one of the latest casualties, while Kaliko Olowole, Managing Director of ZK Advertising, Nigeria; Yinka Folami, Group Account Director, Insight/Grey Advertising, Nigeria; Kehinde Tejumola Idowu, a model; Deji Longe, electronic installer and consultant with Multichoice Nigeria on DStv; are a few of the casualties who have recounted their experiences to THISDAY.
Most victims would want to remain anonymous for security reasons.
THISDAY also gathered that most of the victims are robbed of all their belongings, including luggage and international passports.
Some victims have had to come back to Nigeria with their travel certificates, while some others are stranded in South Africa because they have no travelling documents to return home.
Mumuni’s experience happened about two weeks ago when she went to Johannesburg. She was reportedly trailed to her house in River Club, Johannesburg, where she was dispossessed of all her belongings, including her Nigerian passport, by three armed men. Though, she confirmed the incident to THISDAY on phone, she could not give a full account of her ordeal because she was about boarding a flight out of Johannesburg when THISDAY spoke with her.
Olowole was attacked on September 30, 2007 when he went on official assignment. According to him, “I got to Johannesburg on that fateful Sunday; my friend came to pick me to Midrand. As we were getting home, we just saw a car behind us then somebody jumped off the car, pounced on the security man at the gate, pointed a gun at him, while the other two well-dressed guys followed us in and held us hostage. I parted with all my belongings including my international passport, which they later returned to me. They are mean South Africans”.
Another victim is Folami, Group Account Director, Insight/Grey Advertising in Nigeria. He was attacked on July, 15, 2007 when he went to Johannesburg for the production of the Gulder Lager commercials.
Folami recounts: “I went to Johannesburg to tidy up the post production of Gulder television commercial with our production partner in South Africa, Red Dot Production, which is run by Chris Briggs. We arrived at Johannesburg at about 5.50 am and I called Chris, who sent his driver to come and pick me. We left the airport at 7.20 am for Protea Wanderers Hotel, Ilovo. After ten minutes of my arrival at the hotel, Chris came in hugged me and before we knew anything, a man hit him at the shoulder and when he turned back, he wanted to fight him. You know most white guys South Africa have military training.
“But as he was about doing this, another emerged from no where with a gun, cocked it and pointed it at Chris’ stomach, telling him to lie down or he would be dead. By that Chris lay down and told me to do the same with his driver. They took my entire luggage, my laptop, my Nigerian international passport and every other thing I had on me. I had to come back with a travel certificate issued by the Nigerian consulate in Johannesburg”.
The experience of Idowu is not totally different, only that as at the time of writing this report, she was stranded in South Africa due to lack of travelling document to come back to Nigeria. According to the student of the Lagos State University who spoke with THISDAY from South Africa, “when I arrived Johannesburg on October 6, 2007, it took two hours for our luggage to be cleared and by the time we were through with that and the immigration checks, I left with my friends, Adebisi Showemimo and Waribi Martha that came to pick me. At about 8.45 am around Ilovo mill, a car came from no where and three guys came out of the car and pointed their guns at us. They asked me to open the boot, we did and they took my entire luggage, my money, my international passport, while they also collected bags and other valuables from Adebisi and Martha. As I’m speaking to you, I do not have even a travelling document to come back to Nigeria”.
THISDAY also gathered that three Nigerians came back to Nigeria with travel certificates issued by the Nigerian High Commission in South Africa, because they had also been victims of the airport robbery syndicate.
Marketing Manager of Virgin Nigeria, Seun Shoyinka, who was on board, confirmed the predicament of these three Nigerians. According to him, “I cannot confirm their names now until I lay my hands on the manifest for that day”.
There was also a story of three managers of First City Monument Bank (FCMB) who were on a training trip to South Africa about three months ago. They were followed to their hotels and stripped of all their belongings. They reportedly came back to Nigeria with travel certificates.
Another victim, Deji Longe, volunteered to speak with THISDAY. He is an electronic installer and consultant with Multichoice Nigeria on DStv installations and repairs.
His own ordeal was on September, 23, 2007.
“I got to Johannesburg at 6.30 am and we were not cleared early enough. The robbery happened at around 8.30 at Park More, Sandton. We were trying to locate our destination when a car with three guys emerged in our front. We reversed and they drove towards us. We were forced to stop and the guys came out of this car with guns. They collected 10,000 US Dollars from me. My laptop was taken; my passport snatched and other valuables. I had to come back to Nigeria on travel certificate.”
Longe confirmed that “once you declare your currencies and valuables at the airport, they follow you and unleash terror. The worst is that all complaints made to the police authorities in South Africa have produced no result. They claim they are hindered.”
The South African High Commission in Nigeria refused to comment on the issue when contacted by THISDAY.
Officials said the High Commission would soon address a press conference over the issue.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by Puleza(m): 12:29pm On Jan 07, 2008
As far as I know Nigerians are criminals and people over the world don't want to see them in their country at all. They sell drugs and kill people.


But is this true, No I don't think so.



These are rumours, not every Nigerian is part of a 419 scam, not every Nigerian is a drug dealer. Hillbrow in Johannesburg is dominated by Nigerian guys and it has deteriorated since they moved in. They throw rubbish every where and they even urinate on streets. Does this mean that all Nigerians are as bad as that? My answer is no, there are still good Nigerians residing in Hillbrow and they are in South Africa for a good reason so reading that article by an uninformed guy is irritating. I have a friend who is working in Abuja on a contract and he has told me how beautiful the place is and how friendly the people are.

We as Africans tend to believe the western media and even some of our journalist report bad about our own people. We need to open ours eyes and ears. All those who have been to South Africa are praising it for its beauty and I thank them for that. The problem with people tending to be barbaric to Nigerians, and that's if they don't know you, is the fact that some criminals came to South Africa and gave Nigerians a bad name. They stole, killed and even made some of our cities and towns look like pig st ye. Those Nigerians who run businesses in SA are supported by locals because they doing a good thing.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by metodman(m): 1:24pm On Jan 07, 2008
southy is good for vacation , okay ? but no kom southy to husstle okay [i][/i][color=#006600][/color]
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by Blackcat(f): 2:09pm On Jan 09, 2008
Not all Nigerians are criminals just a select few and we know them Ibos and Edo's
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by goodguy100(m): 2:28pm On Jan 21, 2008
just want to reply to every post of south africa, please if anybody tells you that you can make it here in south africa , the person is telling you lies, there is a lot of nigerians here that cant feed well and going back to nigeria is not all that easy cus of money.
Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by eaz(f): 8:31pm On Jan 22, 2008
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Re: South African Vacation: Education Me Pls by folahann(m): 10:13pm On Jan 23, 2008
South Africa is the murder-capital of the world; it was confirm. I see the poster is learning english and that is why you should do "grammar check" next time
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