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MaxInDHouse:
Case closed OP is satisfied.

But if you know any religion that's ready to respond bring them here as for now only Jehovah's Witnesses have responded o!🙂

He will even become OP spokesperson and moderator just for self glorification 😂🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever disassociate himself from any group or organization and couldn't find a better one but goes about maligning such a group anywhere it's mentioned is a wicked person.

That is exactly what Satan keeps doing!🙂

The problem is not what they go about doing after disassociation. The key here is, is it a sin to DISASSOCIATE from your religious organisation?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus chose the apostles to serve as his representatives and said:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens." Matthew 16:19

That's why James (Jesus' brother) said:

Is there anyone sick among you? Let him call the elders of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, applying oil to him in the name of Jehovah. And the prayer of faith will make the sick one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. James 5;14-15

So in God's organization there are holy ones whose hands when laid upon a REPENTANT SINNER forgiveness of sin will be granted! 🙂

There is a mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ. It is those same apostles that stated that clearly or they forgot that Peter was given the key?

Now this is interesting....

So in God's organization there are holy ones whose hands when laid upon a REPENTANT SINNER forgiveness of sin will be granted

When we say the more you try to look different, the more you do copy copy

It is good for those you call christendom to seek intercession through their SAINTS

MaxInDHouse:
You are free to sin against any deity of your choice but when anyone sin against Jehovah it's His worshipers that will plead for such a person.
So you have no business with us and our God?🙂

There is one mediator between God and man - Jesus. It is not in NWT. No wonder your religious organisation preach and teach Jesus only mediate only for 144,000. D

More valid point for people to see that those men housed in USA are your GODS that you pray to and forgive your sins.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you get it completely wrong!

When Cain offered sacrifice to our God it wasn't accepted so Jehovah told Cain what to do for his sacrifice to be accepted. That is why Cain killed Abel and everyone knew from that Cain is no longer a worshiper of our God.

So you can never ever find Jehovah's Witnesses killing Jehovah's Witnesses it's unrepentant wrongdoer like you that will singlehandedly pick up weapons against Jehovah's Witnesses unlike your own people that will form different groups and start killing their fellow worshipers!🤣

See the the need to peddle unrepentant wrongdoer getting it wrong completely with watery rebuttal you are typing eating you up😂🤣😂

Is Achorladey part of Jehovah's witnesses?

No.

Why?

Are those who disassociate from the religion of Jehovah's witnesses sinners?

MaxInDHouse, what do you have to say?

This is where you get it completely wrong!

Your lies and manipulations won't end here. See as you kept going back and forth over what you already admitted as lies and manipulations

Achorladey: Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses in the Bible

MaxInDHouse: Because Cain killed Abel shey?😂

Achorladey: you see my point remains valid because even your doctrine didn't count Cain as one long line of Jehovah's witnesses D. You shot yourself in the foot the moment you referenced that. MaxInDHouse is Cain a Jehovah's witnesses according to your doctrine? Answer!

Reference it with the below

When Cain offered sacrifice to our God it wasn't accepted so Jehovah told Cain what to do for his sacrifice to be accepted. That is why Cain killed Abel and everyone knew from that Cain is no longer a worshiper of our God

Then the below......

So you can never ever find Jehovah's Witnesses killing Jehovah's Witnesses it's unrepentant wrongdoer like you that will singlehandedly pick up weapons against Jehovah's Witnesses unlike your own people that will form different groups and start killing their fellow worshipers!🤣

The war between the house of Saul and house of David. They are both Jehovah's witnesses just like modern day Jehovah's witnesses according to your beliefs.

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses despite not going to war with approval or no approval

Henjor48:
Kwankwaso is a wise man.

Peter Obi should join NDC, too. I am sure the party will give him ticket without stress to enable him run with Kwankwaso as VP.

I am confident they'll enjoy massive supports from the OK Movement all over the country. This will also encourage over 95% of ADC members/supporters to decamp to NDC, too. So, Atiku can go ahead with his ADC awaiting final hammer from Supreme Court after all his efforts.

A new Nigeria is Possible & OK.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Kwankwaso wey dey test water for 2031 when the power goes back to the north

Gotocourt:
Comrade reduce the volume of this vawulence 🤣😂😅

I dey with you 📌💯👌🙌

Loooooool

MaxInDHouse:
Is exactly what counts because if a true servant of God believes such killing is unapproved by God he will never ever raise a weapon.

Saul was willing to kill David and everyone knew David has the opportunity to kill Saul but why did God's servant refrain from killing the wicked King?

Because Saul was God's anointed King.

That is a true witness of Jehovah not people like you who doesn't even know what to do in such a situation.

For that reason Jehovah declared David as a man after His heart.

WHY?

David feared to kill an anointed servant of God.

But atheists like you will continue deceiving yourself claiming you want to expose God's servants when you don't even know the difference between what God approves or disapprove!🙂

Cut my post tire from the main point.

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses. Whether they get approval or no approval is not the point of this discussion.

You want us to accept Jehovah's witnesses are the only true religious group because they don't go to war to kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses.

We have shown you examples from the bible where Jehovah's witnesses kill Jehovah's witnesses and in present times without going to war.

MaxInDHouse:
Because it exposed your unrepentant attitude shey?
Nobody is forcing any imposition or authority on you it's either you are in or out simple as ABC!😂

Don't deflect into attacking me. I have not sin against you or against your religious organisation.

Your religious organisation stated clearly members can disassociate when they want. Is doing that a sin?

And when I sin against God, it is not MaxInDHouse that will forgive me. It is God. That people exercise their free will to disassociate from your religious group and decide never to return is not UNREPENTANT ATTITUDE. Get it right.

Nobody is forcing any imposition or authority on you it's either you are in or out simple as ABC!😂

It is your lies and manipulations want to make us accept AUTHORITATIVE as IMPOSITION of which you backtracked

MaxInDHouse:
So God approved killing your fellow worshipers shey?😂

The evidence and reality on ground states members of your religious organisation have been caught killing fellow members without going to war.

Approval or no approval from Jehovah is not the discussion here.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is renounce whatever attach you to them and walk away nobody is forcing you to stay.

Jesus said:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me" Matthew 16:24

So if you don't want to it's easy just walk away simple neither Jesus nor his appointed men have any right to impose on you what you don't want but those who have surrendered must be submissive to them! Hebrews 13:17🙂

I don't need stories sort out

Authoritative and imposition first.

simple neither Jesus nor his appointed men have any right to impose on you what you don't want

Cycling over nothing and backtracking as well.

Floww23

MaxInDHouse:
Because Cain killed Abel shey?😂

David killed Uriah

Benjamin and the rest of Israel in Judges

House of David and House of Saul

MaxInDHouse:
But he said authoritatively:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11🙂

Authoritative and imposition

timidapsin:
There’s a question trending online right now, and at first glance it looks simple… but the more you think about it, the more uncomfortable it gets.

Imagine this:


Blue Button:
If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives..

Red Button:
If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive.

Which will you pick?

Are they trying to recall the squid game or what?

MaxInDHouse:
So when Apostle John said:

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2John 10-11

Definitely apostle John is also a cultist shey? Matthew 10:24-25😂

John didn't impose lies and manipulations of the scriptures on people

Jesus didn't say one should not join people that don't believe Jesus returned in 1914. It has nothing to do with the bible.

John didn't ask anyone not to join who don't believe those your religious leaders in USA are the faithful and discrete slave.

Floww23:
UV ran away from Matthew



It's an admonition to each Christian " Brothers keep your eye"

Each Christian observe and come to their own conclusions

NOT IMPOSED LIKE CULTS Do

Interestingly Your organisation Lied in Norway Courts that each person made the decision even though in practice it's three elders making the decision for the rest

That's why they quickly do away with the word Judicial committee



Comes to " YOU"

You - personal pronoun

Each person decides

Not IMPOSED LIKE CULTS

They can't even read in content and context what teaching John was talking about paapaa

Floww23:
Matthew 18:15-17 , an individual make his own decision

In your congregation , Elders impose the decision on others , the person might not offend you personally but once they read that they are no longer a JW, you have to comply , even if the Judicial have error Judgement, you all must abide. That's not out of freewill but Cult procedure. So don't ever bring Matthew 18 into this discussion again.

He know it, he wants to manipulate Matthew as usual. That's why they cannot answer how did Jesus address Gentiles in his day?

MaxInDHouse:
Just as unrepentant wrongdoers in Israel killed faithful servants of God and God never approves such killing so this totally differs from religionists who pray to the same God, blessed weapons of war in the name of same God yet face and kill one another in the name of the same God!😂

Just as Unrepentant wrongdoers

Jehovah's witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses in the Bible you carry and in the world we live today. They don't need to bless their weapons in Jehovah's name to do so as Jehovah's witnesses.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul was a Circuit overseer so his letter was based on observation regarding the need of the congregations but when it comes to what should affect all the congregations order comes from the apostles and elders in JERUSALEM! Act 15:1-3🙂



Funny atheist!😂
Why sending Paul to Jerusalem nah?😂



We never acknowledge you people as part of us only those obedient to the Governing Body are our brothers while you people view religionists from different sects as your fellow believers!😂


Jesus is the one who established the work of preaching and teaching so that all his disciples must do only Jehovah's Witnesses organization made it a compulsion while others don't so the fruit of faith in Christ Jesus made clear! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

You want to import your religious terms into the bible

Paul was a Circuit overseer so his letter was based on observation regarding the need of the congregations but when it comes to what should affect all the congregations order comes from the apostles and elders in JERUSALEM! Act 15:1-3🙂

He is not a circuit overseer, his activities are not vetted by men in Jerusalem, he gave account of this in that bible you carry.

Now some men came down from Ju·deʹa and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you get circumcised according to the custom of Moses,+ you cannot be saved.” 2  But after quite a bit of dissension and disputing by Paul and Barʹna·bas with them, it was arranged for Paul, Barʹna·bas, and some of the others to go up to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem+ regarding this issue.

The men came from that your so called Jerusalem where the central unit is located. So it is very correct to correct the nonsense from where it came from.

Funny atheist!😂
Why sending Paul to Jerusalem nah?😂

To address the nonsense from Jerusalem, that nonsense of must be circumcision to get saved. That same nonsense Peter was led towards while Paul wrote to the Galatians and corrected Peter. That nonsense Peter was already aware of and still gave allowance and joined in.

We never acknowledge you people as part of us only those obedient to the Governing Body are our brothers while you people view religionists from different sects as your fellow believers!😂

Irrelevant. Jesus don't even see you as his brothers based on your doctrines. It is of no use. I don't need your validation like you need that of Satan's organisation to feel good

Jesus is the one who established the work of preaching and teaching so that all his disciples must do only Jehovah's Witnesses organization made it a compulsion while others don't so the fruit of faith in Christ Jesus made clear! Matthew 7:16-18

Before Jehovah's witnesses was founded by Russell and hijack of Rutherford, billions have preached too without compulsion. Your compulsory preaching work even your religious leaders admit those even living close to their headquarters don't know or hear about Jehovah's witnesses.

CHIEFCHICKEN:
have been rereading and laughing at the same time

Which part of the discussion made it very interesting to read and funny. It will be interesting if you can tell. That's nairaland for you though.

MaxInDHouse:
The peace your thread is asking for can't come automatically it worth making sacrifices for others which means whatever religions wants to do in the neighborhood there should be consideration for others and such requires sacrifices on the part of the religionists involved we can't force ourselves on others but we can make sacrifices for the peace of our neighbors.
That's why i said majority of people claiming they know God don't understand that peace is not optional rather it's a need worth making sacrifices for.
I remember a day when i spent some time with my friend who happens to be an estate agent a man (Pastor) came angrily complaining bitterly regarding the apartment my friend rented out to him. His complaints is he doesn't want an apartment close to any church due to their noise but this same man used to make a lot of noise in his RCCG church where he is the assistant pastor!😟
Only the true religion understands this.

Many who were excommunicated in our organization have families in the organization and their families often cry as in shed tears when such ones are ostracized but we have to make such sacrifices if we want inner peace we can't just continue putting up with someone who knows the right thing but chooses to do the wrong thing in our gathering!😟

Another round of marketing

Many who were excommunicated in our organization have families in the organization and their families often cry as in shed tears when such ones are ostracized but we have to make such sacrifices if we want inner peace we can't just continue putting up with someone who knows the right thing but chooses to do the wrong thing in our gathering!

Your contradictions didn't start today

DemonSlayer:
Makes sense 💯

Here is how they advance lies and manipulations. During the beginning of his religious organisation. This very same public disturbance and nuisance is what they did

After many years he now wants us to see his own religious denominations to as peaceful and loving people who don't use loudspeakers to disturb others while other Christians are false because they use loudspeakers. What he won't tell you is that, that was the very same thing they were doing in times past others complained about it too.

Excommunication of members is what they had several times categorised as paganism and even pointed fingers at Roman Catholic for using excommunication a pagan act as means to kill thousands. Today the same Jehovah's witnesses use excommunication as means to ostracised members and he wants us to admit it is a way of reducing confusion.

Since he was a JW and he has left the organization has he found peace in any other religious group?

I have repeatedly informed him that peace is not a property of his religious group. I don't see redeem members go to church every now and then in my community with weapons of war.

This same person followed my comments to the job section and spread falsehood against me that I don't have a job. He still expressed that falsehood yesterday. Yet I am the one that don't have peace

Your thread is about how religions chokes peace in our society but here is a religion that stands out differently so if anyone feels he still disagree with the organization let them go and find peace elsewhere!

Throughout the war in Ukraine and recently in the middle East, no single comment or effort at achieving peace comes from Watchtower. You see the Roman Catholic they love to accuse leading in that aspect. In fact he even said this Pope has vindicated them about their beliefs regarding war. Yet he will come out and say they are the only religious organisation seeking peace

I will say be very careful about how you validate his words because he will still come back and hold you to it when you don't dance to his tune

DemonSlayer:
How did you reach the conclusion that I don't believe your book? How is that obvious? You're right tho. I think these books (sometimes) have nice stories that teach important lessons but that's about it.

Your analogy is not entirely wrong, it is what we do to criminals in society by putting them in prisons. But you don't go imprisoning anyone that disagrees with your political party, do you? Difference of opinion is not a crime. Classifying everyone that changes their mind and disagrees with your religion as "hurting themselves and others" is outrageous!

Our ability to change our minds is essential to individual and human progress. Hasn't your religion also changed its mind about certain things as it evolved? Children who grow up within the system, get fed these beliefs—indoctrination is not uniquely JW—should be free to question their beliefs and when it doesn't add up, change or drop it altogether.

This is normal for a healthy mind. Dropping their faith doesn't automatically make them bad people. Or are you saying we're all evil people because we don't believe what you believe?

That said, I think ostracism is religion's immune system. It uses it to protect itself from falling apart from within. Without it, or the fear of it, your halls could go empty. 😛

What a response here. Chai😂😂😂😂

1.

This is normal for a healthy mind. Dropping their faith doesn't automatically make them bad people. Or are you saying we're all evil people because we don't believe what you believe?

2.

That said, I think ostracism is religion's immune system. It uses it to protect itself from falling apart from within. Without it, or the fear of it, your halls could go empty

Emusan:
Now, you agreed they are EARLY CHRISTIANS when it suits you but when it doesn't, they are the one who corrupted Christianity.

Now, since you agreed that they are Christians, were they Jehovah Witness or not?

You want him to rope himself. That's why I said they are boasting over what they receive as if they are the source of it all.

Emusan:
If you observe it very well, you'll notice that most of what they claim aren't really rooted in their reality.

You condemn men joining army or carry gun but during your convention, you employ the service of those armed men.

Is that not hypocrisy?

In fact those members that work as mobile police and paramilitary agencies are those they call ahead of time, have meetings with them on how they can help regarding security arrangements for their large gatherings.

I am saying this because I have been in such meetings before. The congregation I was then, they have a mobile police in their midst and he has risen so high in the mobile force and serve equally as an elder in their midst. He has a very good rifle at that. Where I served years back the wife of one of brothers there is a notable civil defence official.

MaxInDHouse:
Your brothers are fighting and killing one another in the name of defending their country {Revelation 6:3-4} whereas it's human rulers that's giving them such orders {Revelation 16:14} but we will never ever raise a weapon against our brothers in the name Christ Jesus! John 13:34-35🙂

The evidence and reality on ground states members have been caught killing fellow members without going to war.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and correct Jesus who initiated the idea of excommunication regarding any individual who proves to be difficult! Matthew 18:15-17🙂

Loooooool!

It was the pagans that started and the Roman Catholic championed it in the Christian community. Even your religious publications verified it.

No lie on top Jesus head ooooo

FxMasterz:
I should quote your non related scripture suggestions for you? What happened to your own hands?

I tire oooo. Na im trademark. A means to make others think he is knowledgeable scripturally whereas na just misuse and abuse of scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
The people Paul wrote this letter to had only one central unit of control which is in Jerusalem {Act 2:42} so as one organization {John 17:22} whenever any issue arises that could cause a division among them which they must not allow {1Corinthans 1:10} they will send their brothers to Jerusalem to know what should be done on such matters! Act 15:1-2

Today the religions claiming Christians are different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines therefore they are not one religion like the group to whom Paul's letter was addressed.

That is why it's necessary for any wise individual to find out which of all these religions is practicing what the first century disciples of Christ practiced in the first century and only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing that today! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

After being exposed you have to advance more lies and manipulations of the scriptures

The people Paul wrote this letter to had only one central unit of control which is in Jerusalem {Act 2:42}

No they don't. Evidence of what happened in the book of acts tells of it repeatedly. Paul's letters are never vetted by anybody in Jerusalem. Paul's missionary journey was not vetted from any Central unit he admitted it even in Galatians.

so as one organization {John 17:22} whenever any issue arises that could cause a division among them which they must not allow {1Corinthans 1:10} they will send their brothers to Jerusalem to know what should be done on such matters! Act 15:1-2

Acts 15:1,2 of Paul travelling to Jerusalem has nothing to do with central unit. The problem came from Jerusalem, it is very okay to go to Jerusalem and notify them that their are troublesmakers from that same so called central unit in Jerusalem disturbing the peace of others elsewhere.

Today the religions claiming Christians are different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines therefore they are not one religion like the group to whom Paul's letter was addressed.

The religious organisation of Jehovah's witnesses is one of the many teaching conflicting and contradictory doctrines. Some few months back storing your blood for future use is spiritual today it is more logical than spiritual

That is why it's necessary for any wise individual to find out which of all these religions is practicing what the first century disciples of Christ practiced in the first century and only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing that today! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

Jesus in Matthew 7: 16 - 18 in content and context has nothing to do with religious organisation established by men who made themselves GODS over men and demean the role of Christ and being the grace of God to humanity.

Floww23:
The worst part is that their own publications admit that errors do happen in those judicial stuff. 😂 Zombies don't know following a judgement made in error also automatically make you bloodguilty

Exactly 😂😂🤣😂. Didn't Franz admit people jumping from bethel homes to their death. Imagine a Jehovah's witnesses commiting suicide inside the so called House of Jehovah D. That one is not even because of being disfellowshipped oooo. What about the case of being endangered emotionally right in Jehovah’s house

FxMasterz:
They're ignorant. They first think something, then look for spurious ways to back it with scriptures. Afterwards, thru make it a doctrine.

A godly assembly would search the Word to pull out doctrines. As for the JWs, they search the Word validate erring human ideas.

Gbam

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, they can only prove that emptiness with their own human doctrines that have no foundation in Scripture.

Till tomorrow Maxindhouse, Janosky, Cornelboy and the rest of them cannot show us one single Scripture where the Bible says rulers or nations cannot bear swords.

Meanwhile, I have constantly shoved Scriptures in their faces. God was called the Man of War just after overthrowing Pharaoh in the red sea. David said God teaches his arms to war, but Maxindhouse, Janosky and Cornelboy say that God was teaching David bad things.

Right there in Scripture, you'll see many instances in which warriors would ask God before going to war, "should we go to war, should we fight against these people?" and God will tell them to.go, and even give them war strategies..

Let's even quote an instance:

"So David inquired of the LORD, “Shall I go and attack the Philistines? , Will you deliver them into my hands?” The LORD answered him, “Go, for I will surely deliver the Philistines into your hands.” 2 Samuel 5:19

The would ignore this scripture above and all similar scriptures and stick to human doctrines as though those humans who created those doctrines would be the ones to judge them on the great day of judgement.

I don't know how many times I have used the incident of Benjamin in the book of Judges to show how their doctrines that Jehovah's witnesses don't kill fellow Jehovah's witnesses is just their human traditions or make believe

The first time I throw it to one of them, they kept mute knowing their teachings cannot stand it.

After all said and done they said they are NEUTRAL about war. What is NEUTRALITY, just in the middle of support and against. Which means there are times they will justify the wars that are fought and go against it.