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Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 1:31pm On Jan 25, 2015
BabaGnoni:
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oic again, as I thought you did know...

It is very similar to what happened to Pharaoh.
Both minds have already been made up
there is no point wasting time and effort on either anymore,
as they both were hellbent
(i.e. both were determined to achieve at all costs what they've set their minds on to do)

The answers lie in the following verses:

But I will make Pharaoh's heart stubborn so I can multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.
- Exodus 7:3 NLT

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and just as the LORD had predicted to Moses, Pharaoh refused to listen.
- Exodus 9:12 NLT

23He replied, “One of you who has just eaten from this bowl with me will betray me.
24For the Son of Man must die, as the Scriptures declared long ago.
But how terrible it will be for the one who betrays him.
It would be far better for that man if he had never been born!”
25Judas, the one who would betray him, also asked, “Rabbi, am I the one?”
And Jesus told him, “You have said it.”

- Matthew 26:23-25 NLT

When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him.
Then Jesus told him,
"Hurry and do what you're going to do."

- John 13:27 NLT


Judas like Pharaoh, can be compared with wet sponges...
Wet sponges that want to dry out the water keeping them wet, which eventually ends to getting hardened up
but are kept from drying up and hardening
by God keeping them wet through continually pouring water on the sponges
The moment God cuts off the stream of water pouring on them,
the sponges in a matter of time will dry out, harden up and be brittle


Have you ever tried pottery,
where you put the clay on the pottery wheel to make a vase
The clump of clay is always resisting you shaping it into the vase
The clump of clay will fall off the pottery wheel unfinished and damaged, the moment you let go your hands in molding it
Keep your hands on it until the end, you'll have a beautiful vase

Another analogy, is this:
Kid A and kid B, are sizing each other up, breathing into each one's face, each raring for a fight
Right at the nick of time, you step in to prevent the fight starting
but kid B, will not have none of that as adrenalin and testosterone is pumping high
Kid B is spoiling for the fight, despite all appeal or effort to prevent it
Everyone knows kid B is no match for Kid A, as kid A will beat the living day lights out of kid B
but kid B does NOT agree nor wants to know (i.e. kid B is hellbent, determined to fight at all costs, not matter what)
In effect, kid B's heart is hardening for/to fight
You harden kid B's heart, the moment you step back and allow kid B to have the fight, he's so much set his heart on

That's how Pharaoh's heart got hardened (i.e. the restraining, like in the case of kid B, was let off)
and similar happened to Judas, he was let go (i.e. as he was a lost cause, who couldn't be changed for the better)

https://www.nairaland.com/1820451/judas-iscariot-really-villain#24836472

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Nothing to do with Pharaoh been programmed at all...
Pharaoh was a willing participant,
Pharaoh was raring to go bad.
God didn't like that, and so God was holding Pharaoh back nevertheless God eventually obliged him
and made do of the circumstances or made the best of it
Nope, on the contrary, when you step back and allow kid B to fight, you're allowing him to choose(frrewill)
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 1:09pm On Jan 25, 2015
clevvermind:
no. why do you ask?
From your comments, I noticed you're trying to argue against freewill
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 1:07pm On Jan 25, 2015
clevvermind:
since we don't see God, we have to direct it to humans to see if they can provide a suitable answer.
Humans? now I'm lost. huh
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 12:58pm On Jan 25, 2015
clevvermind:
ok. but you know God can create some people to act in a particular way whether positive or negative to fulfil a partcular purpose. they have been predestined.
Are you by any chance pro-deterministic ?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 12:54pm On Jan 25, 2015
Hiswordxray:
Yes God can harden people heart but that is not an infringement on our free will. God can only harden the heart of those who had already harden their heart. God knows how weak people are and how they could easily run away from the problem they have put themselves into.
Pharaoh had already harden his heart towards God. And God being a righteous judge wanted to punish him severely but He knows that Pharaoh will easily give in if he sees just a little of God's judgment. So God had to harden his heart so that he could remain and continue in his evil until God had completely avenge His people by giving Pharaoh the fullness of the punishment he deserves.
So God's act of hardening Pharaoh's heart is His way of keeping Pharaoh in the prison until he had sever his time. Pharaoh had to remain in his evil works for God to have enough time to completely pour out His cup of wrath on him.

What a merciful and loving God! cool
Wouldn't it have been easier if he had just used his omnipotent power to change Pharaoh's mind instead of allowing the carnage?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 12:48pm On Jan 25, 2015
clevvermind:
you know we humans don't have the right to question God.



20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? Romans 9:20-21.
If you had the right, where would you direct the question to?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 12:31pm On Jan 25, 2015
clevvermind:
we have been programmed to act in a particular way like robots whether positive or negative.
So, what happened to freewill?
Christianity EtcRe: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by adexsimply(m): 8:30am On Jan 25, 2015
malvisguy212:
if God consists of matter, I would have taking you serious,but bible say God is a spirit.
Just for a moment, assume the bible does not exist...
Christianity EtcRe: Where Is The Garden Of Eden? by adexsimply(m): 8:11am On Jan 25, 2015
In your "Holy Book" of course cheesy cheesy
@OP do you read fantasy? you can try "Alice in wonderland" cool
Christianity EtcRe: A Fool Sayeth In His Heart..... ( Drapetomania And The Folly Of Atheism ) by adexsimply(m): 8:07am On Jan 25, 2015
following cool cool cool
RomanceRe: When Babe Visits And You Both Are In Godly Relationship (PHOTO) by adexsimply(m): 8:01am On Jan 25, 2015
What then is the essence of a relationship if you can't boink your partner? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by adexsimply(m): 7:17am On Jan 25, 2015
How can something "exist" yet "not exist" in space-time ?
Let's assume the "Holy Bible" did not survive time, then the question to ask is; what makes anyone say god is outside of space and time? What is the evidence for such assertions?
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Sexual Sins Every Christian Should Avoid by adexsimply(m): 6:50am On Jan 25, 2015
b0rn2fuck:
Sunday don land again, una don dey scare man pikin with fire again.... na only God know the amount of people that will sent to fire, whether nah Devil abi Nah Baba God build hell fire, make dem mod additional blocks for hell fire room because this one wey dem still dey dwell on no fit contain people

I do not know why one should avoid any sexual sins if ordinary lie could land one in fire, sin is sin. If not for police with guns, lots of people will commit robbery but thank God for government.

Make seun osewa no go put repent, fire is near, Jesus is coming to scare people away from coming to nairaland front page on Sunday because I dey so, my heart ddon harden, na fire for this earth dey fear me, not bi after death wey body and bone don turn to sand, na God get soul i.e that one no concern me
LMAO grin grin grin
As funny as this post sounds, there are elements of truth embedded cool cool
CelebritiesRe: Imagine What This Female Sex Coach Can Do With Her Vigina by adexsimply(m): 1:03am On Jan 25, 2015
fayde:
pls don't try this @ home. I even trust 9ja galz, dem no go tamper with their source if income
Jesus Christ of Nazareth grin grin grin
CelebritiesRe: Imagine What This Female Sex Coach Can Do With Her Vigina by adexsimply(m): 1:03am On Jan 25, 2015
100Cents:
What is vagina ?
one river wey dey Jamaica
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do You Worship God? by adexsimply(m): 12:20am On Jan 25, 2015
johnydon22:
Please abeg no vex but which of the gods? Allah, yahweh, vishnu, osiris, horus, el, baal, zues, shivahuh
Orunmila cheesy
CelebritiesRe: Genevieve Nnaji: I Am Not Like The Arrogant Characters I Play by adexsimply(m): 10:52pm On Jan 24, 2015
FrancisTony:
She made Jamb two years ago and she is already in final year.

Are you kidding me?
That's 2013! undecided
She'll be in her finals next year. That is if she's taking a 4-year course.
RomanceRe: Why Do Guys Feel Intimidated By Girls With Cars? by adexsimply(m):
rubey:
I notice this act a lot from men. Whenever I go out with a car, guys kind of feel intimidated only in few occasions do some sum up the courage to approach me. I don't understand this huh
Maybe you're a poor driver, or, are you still driving that old-school Volkswagen?
RomanceRe: What Misconception Does People Have On You? by adexsimply(m): 9:10pm On Jan 24, 2015
I careth not cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Chelsea Vs Bradford: FA Cup (2 - 4) On 24th January 2015 by adexsimply(m): 9:08pm On Jan 24, 2015
Ayolaw2003:
No be mistake.....ma kon ma kon l'oye nkan!
cheesy cheesy cheesy
O make sense pa
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Chelsea Vs Bradford: FA Cup (2 - 4) On 24th January 2015 by adexsimply(m): 7:57pm On Jan 24, 2015
Okay, someone should just tell me this scoreline is a mistake already shocked shocked
RomanceRe: I Hate Valentine's Day by adexsimply(m): 11:49am On Jan 24, 2015
jmoore:
Please, Valentine is not the name of the guy in the Titanic film.
lwkmd
FamilyRe: Only Oct Born Pls by adexsimply(m): 8:05am On Jan 24, 2015
Jamean:
Yes o..I'm here cheesy
The best date in the calendar cheesy
Yay!!
cheesy cheesy
Awayu?
Christianity EtcRe: 27 Year RCCG Member Cuts Off His Penis To Focus 0n 40 Days Fast With Pic by adexsimply(m): 10:39pm On Jan 21, 2015
Amandra:
This is unbelievable! Proper understanding of the word of God is quite germane & beneficial to one's life
unbelievable? Not as unbelievable as the story of a demi-god who fasted for forty days and nights. I guess that dude is trying to emulate him huh
PhonesRe: Whatsapp Officially Comes To Laptops And Desktops by adexsimply(m): 10:33pm On Jan 21, 2015
Hmmm... I needed this like 2 years ago.
Forum GamesRe: Romantic Games You Play With Your Boyfriend/Girlfriend? by adexsimply(m): 12:59am On Jan 21, 2015
An0nimus:
I like scramble too.
lwkmd grin
PoliticsRe: Hoodlums Stone Jonathan’s Convoy In Katsina by adexsimply(m): 12:38am On Jan 21, 2015
Illiteracy sad
PhonesRe: 58-year-old Wins N1m In Glo Promo, Weeps, Smashes Sim Card Of Another Network by adexsimply(m): 5:45pm On Jan 20, 2015
I'm more interested in the promo than the winner of the promo angry angry
Christianity EtcRe: He Says That He Is Not Interested In Going To Heaven by adexsimply(m): 5:37pm On Jan 20, 2015
smartshadow:
I have a friend who told me with all seriousness that he is not interested in going to heaven.
He said that although he is a christian, he doesn't ever feel threatened by the thought of going to hell.
He says and I quote
" I don't feel wavered by the fear of going to hell. If my maker who in all his compassion and abundant love and mercy,decides to send his creation to the worst level of punishment there is, despite the level of offense, despite the circumstances that they faced, despite the race,culture and religion that they were born into then I wouldn't mind spending eternity in hell because most people sent there were sent there unjustly"

He also said going to heaven was an overrated experience and that it way in a way too enticing.

What are your thoughts?
Congrats! Your friend has started using his head cool
PoliticsRe: Which Of These Nigerian Politicians Is The Best Dancer? (Photos) by adexsimply(m): 4:46pm On Jan 20, 2015
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Jokes EtcRe: Laugh Off Your Sorrows With This Hilarious Joke by adexsimply(m): 8:35pm On Jan 19, 2015
You can't laugh off your sorrow
CelebritiesRe: Meet Frank Edward Mum And See The Striking Resemblance by adexsimply(m): 8:35pm On Jan 19, 2015
veave:
Ehen? grin grin grin
you don't believe me? sad

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