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Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by jacksonite: 10:03pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
Right from the Old Testament,there is prediction of the coming of Christ and of how he will suffer,be betrayed,be crucified and by that he will save mankind. The betrayal was foretold even before Judas was born. There were many other ways by which Jesus would have laid down his life but the choice was for him to be betrayed by Judas first.Judas might have committed abomination by betraying Jesus but that is a matter between him and God. For Christians,we should acknowledge that his action led to our redemption. After all he repented when he realized his mistake. Many of us today commit worse atrocities that do not serve us or any one else any good.What would have happened if at the final hour Judas had refused betraying Jesus,how else would the scripture have been fulfilled. Of course you would say that he could not have done otherwise. The reason is that he was programed to behave so from the word go. 1 Like |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Sparrow13: 10:11pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
This is on of the most confusing question in christianity, only the holy spirit can guide a person to know the truth. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Tallesty1(m): 10:54pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
I will be disapointed if I go to heaven and do not see that guy. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by nedu2000(m): 11:15pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
mark 14:21 "..... New International Version The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." Everything in this world is about individual choices,it could've been Peter or James or even Mary.Judas made his choice and ended it with suicide,hes more likely in the deepest & darkest part of hell than heaven. 1 Like |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by emmyskies(m): 10:46am On Jul 20, 2014 |
The same way devil pushed judas to eternal damnation, same way he is pushing majority of humans today. If judas have repented, he would have been forgiven. He betrayed Christ, yes. Didn't Peter betray Christ thrice?? JESUS CHRIST forsee both of them will betray Him. He even told Peter. Yet, Peter still betrayed Him. But after the betrayal, what next? Peter redeemed himself, judas cursed himself. Many curse themself today. Repent or perish |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 2:13pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: I will be disapointed if I go to heaven and do not see that guy. hehehehehehe. BTW, Judas was not programmed or forced to be the 'fall guy'. He allowed satan to enter him. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Tallesty1(m): 2:20pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123:Same way he entered Peter but Jesus prayed for Peter, a privilege Judas never had. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 2:24pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: Same way he entered Peter but Jesus prayed for Peter, a privilege Judas never had. Peter didn't commit suicide. Indeed, i'll rather die than commit suicide. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Tallesty1(m): 2:38pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123:Yea....... Because Jesus prayed for him. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:07pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
jacksonite: I am honest and sincere, I am not trying to pull a Socrates stunt here with these questions ooo: What are the many other ways by which Jesus could have laid down his life? Why did He then, not chose any of the many other ways by which Jesus could have laid down his life? Who was the programmer? How was he programmed to behave so from the word go? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:07pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: Who exactly would you be disappointed not seeing in heaven if/when you get there? Why do you expect (i.e. what is the qualification(s)) him to be in heaven in the first place at all? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:08pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: Same way he entered Peter but Jesus prayed for Peter, a privilege Judas never had. Why did Peter deserve a prayer and Judas never had one? What made Jesus pray for Peter but not pray for Judas? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Tallesty1(m): 5:12pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni:That is what I'm asking. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:22pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: Doesn't satan enter everyone else? Didn't satan enter Eden, as an example, to start with? God even allows satan free rein, as Job will testify Satan goes anywhere satan likes Satan is always walking up and down, patrolling the earth, watching everyone and everything that goes on which is why one is advised to be watchful, be alert, be sober, mindful and not to give satan a foothold |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:23pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123:How do you mean? What are you on about? Why would Peter want to intentionally kill himself? What for, what over, what about? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 5:25pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: That is what I'm asking. oic but apart from you asking, do you know why, yourself? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Tallesty1(m): 5:55pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni:Honestly I don't |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by filiks(m): 6:13pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
nedu2000: mark 14:21 "..... Yes o, Judas made his choice! Luke 17:1 confirms our view. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 6:57pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: Yea....... Because Jesus prayed for him. i thought Jesus prayed for all His disciples? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:02pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Tallesty1: oic again, as I thought you did know... It is very similar to what happened to Pharaoh. Both minds have already been made up there is no point wasting time and effort on either anymore, as they both were hellbent (i.e. both were determined to achieve at all costs what they've set their minds on to do) The answers lie in the following verses: But I will make Pharaoh's heart stubborn so I can multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. - Exodus 7:3 NLT But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and just as the LORD had predicted to Moses, Pharaoh refused to listen. - Exodus 9:12 NLT 23He replied, “One of you who has just eaten from this bowl with me will betray me. 24For the Son of Man must die, as the Scriptures declared long ago. But how terrible it will be for the one who betrays him. It would be far better for that man if he had never been born!” 25Judas, the one who would betray him, also asked, “Rabbi, am I the one?” And Jesus told him, “You have said it.” - Matthew 26:23-25 NLT When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, "Hurry and do what you're going to do." - John 13:27 NLT Judas like Pharaoh, can be compared with wet sponges... Wet sponges that want to dry out the water keeping them wet, which eventually ends to getting hardened up but are kept from drying up and hardening by God keeping them wet through continually pouring water on the sponges The moment God cuts off the stream of water pouring on them, the sponges in a matter of time will dry out, harden up and be brittle Have you ever tried pottery, where you put the clay on the pottery wheel to make a vase The clump of clay is always resisting you shaping it into the vase The clump of clay will fall off the pottery wheel unfinished and damaged, the moment you let go your hands in molding it Keep your hands on it until the end, you'll have a beautiful vase Another analogy is this: Kid A and kid B, are sizing each other up, breathing into each one's face, each raring for a fight Right at the nick of time, you step in to prevent the fight starting but kid B, will not have none of that as adrenalin and testosterone is pumping high Kid B is spoiling for the fight, despite all appeal or effort to prevent it Everyone knows kid B is no match for Kid A, as kid A will beat the living day lights out of kid B but kid B does NOT agree nor wants to know (i.e. kid B is hellbent, determined to fight at all costs, not matter what) In effect, kid B's heart is hardening for/to fight You harden kid B's heart, the moment you step back and allow kid B to have the fight, he's so much set his heart on That's how Pharaoh's heart got hardened (i.e. the restraining, like in the case of kid B, was let off) and similar happened to Judas, he was let go (i.e. as he was a lost cause, who couldn't be changed for the better) |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:04pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Same reason Judas allegedly committed suicide. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:07pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: State clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the reason(s) is please. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:09pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: loved this part, for something else though not this issue. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:11pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: He disappointed everybody. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:11pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: ...and what would that "something else" be? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:14pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: Do you always peddle one-liners? State clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the reason(s) is please, was the request. Did Peter too not disappoint everybody? Why would Judas commit suicide based on that and Peter wouldn't? |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:14pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: i'll get back to this i hope. i'll need a bible to refresh. But in one breath, i mean the 'foothold' thing. satan had a foothold. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:15pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni:private, thanks. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:18pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
BabaGnoni:My point exactly. Peter didn't commit suicide despite disappointing everybody. |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:19pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: You can tell me in private and the secret will be safe with me Here is my addy to mail it to: deleted |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by BabaGnoni: 7:21pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Image123: I can't exactly see your point. I think stating the point clearly, in detail, and leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the point is would be a good idea. So why would Judas commit suicide then, if Peter disappointed everybody just like him but he didn't commit suicide despite |
Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 7:26pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
i want to keep it private please, thanks. i simply liked and learnt something from that part. You're overreacting i think. |
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