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Even in your wildest wettest dreams if Kush was nilosahran: what does it say if Axum burned it into the ground and for the next thousand years Kushitic people created Kingdoms like Axum, Ajuran, Islamic Sultanates, Abyssinia, Ethiopia.

Just Curious to know. Cause that basically means Kush who you believe was nilosahran never reemerged to ever threaten cushitic people (somalis,beja, oromo, afar)

PAPA AFRICA: Lol ok I know this guy is trolling now.

Wallahi am not trolling you. I thought you guys were trolling me

KidStranglehold: [img]http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1381344_Screen_Shot_2013-10-27_at_1_37_12_AM_png170894ef321a07da84d50aeaf57b0677[/img]

*sigh*

Thanks for killing your own argument again.

Ethiopia was an old term for modern Nubia by the Greeks. Your source even clearly states that its an Ancient Kingdom from Nubia.

Epic fail! HA!

@PAPA AFRICA

Imma continue destroying him.

Lmao, I thought it was common knowledge that Axum took over and burned Kush to the ground and Axum emerged from the ashes of Kush. And Abyssinia came out of Axum, and Ethiopia came out Abbysinia.

I guess your nilosahrans were a blip on the map you made up as their so called history you made up.

I just hope the gods of the enternet preserve this thread to make it into the vault of history.


1. If I may humbly ask, where do the Nubians fit in your story since NUBIA AND KUSH ARE used interchangeably?

LMAO THE DICTIONARY MUST BE WRONG TOO I GUESS.

Please give me your theories am Interested. These are my questions. Please try to work together to make sense. I know each of you have your own afrocentric theories.

1. Where are the people from Kingdom of Kush?

2. Who were the people of Kingdom of Kush?

3. Why did they never create another kingdom, and Why did cushitic people create more Kindoms Like Ajuraan, Axum, Abyssinia, Ethiopia?

KidStranglehold: No there not. Kush is a name the Hebrews called Nubian it has no correlated with the word Cushite with a C.

I wish there was a Nubian who told you how moronic you are. Oh wait didn't that happen before? IIRC.

Heck Nubian people STILL practice traditional custom originally practiced by those of Kush. Stop claiming just because you have an inferiority complex.

Your theory slays itself. All I have to do is ask questions to make you look like a fool.

So who were the people in Kingdom of Kush? And where do Nubians fit in your story? lol

Seriously am entertaining this. But we all know that Axum burned Kush to the ground. And those people had the same culture. Why a nigerian is discussing this I will never know.

But to say that Cushitic people got their name recently when everyone knows they were called Cush for over a thousand years ago: is just sad.

KidStranglehold: Ajuran/Somalia9 thinks because certain past group had a similar name to a modern group like Horners, that Horners must be related/descendant from that group. If we go by his simple logic, then modern Ghanaian are related to the Ghanaian of the Ghana Empire.

Even if those Ghanaian of the Ghana Empire were not Ashanti/Akan but Sonnike.

This guy is weird.

Dude the ancient Egyptians said themselves they came from Punt and traveled there. You know no history. Did you know EGYPT occupied Somalia for several decades in the 1800's? Or that Egypt and Abyssinia had several wars? Or that the same gods worshipped by Somalis were worshiped by Anceint Egyptians. There are cities in Somalia called Cabduwaq, Ceelwaq after Waq.

You are making yourself look like a joke. Everyone knows that ancient egyptians followed the Nile from ethiopia up to egypt.

KidStranglehold: @Ajuran
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What the heck Do you even know what you're even posting There is no such thing as Kushitic language, he mostly mean Cushitic language. Why? Because the Kushites(who you so badly try to claim) never spoke a language called Meroitic, which again is Nile Saharan. I even told you to read this.
http://www.meroiticnewsletter.org/MeroNews30c.pdf

^^^There they explain the connections of the modern Nubian language and Merotic.

Stop with the nonsense. Theres nothing you can do. Again All ''Nubian languages'' are Nilo-Saharan.

Kingdom of Kerma 2500 BC – 1500 BC
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Kush 1070 BC – 350 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Meroitic
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Northern > Old Nubian

Kingdom of Makuria 340 AD - 1312 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Nobatia 350 AD – 650 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Alodia 600s AD - 1504 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Modern day Nubian speakers include:

1 million+ North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Dongolawi

1 million Southern Egypt & North Sudan
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Nobiin

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Midob

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Birgid

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Hill Nubian


And LMAO where is this from? Why didn't you link us a link to where it was originally from?
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Modern day Kushites in Kenya? majority of them live in Ethiopia? What Modern day kushites are Nubians and mostly like in Sudan and Upper Egypt, that link is pseudo-historic, probably from some pro horner site.

This was taken from enclopedia. Why are you claiming Nilosahrans who have been slaves for KUSH, when everyone knows Kush was Nubia who are the nubians who live in Southern egypt and northern sudan who look like Somali/ethiopians.

KidStranglehold: @Ajuran
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What the heck Do you even know what you're even posting There is no such thing as Kushitic language, he mostly mean Cushitic language. Why? Because the Kushites(who you so badly try to claim) never spoke a language called Meroitic, which again is Nile Saharan. I even told you to read this.
http://www.meroiticnewsletter.org/MeroNews30c.pdf

^^^There they explain the connections of the modern Nubian language and Merotic.

Stop with the nonsense. Theres nothing you can do. Again All ''Nubian languages'' are Nilo-Saharan.

Kingdom of Kerma 2500 BC – 1500 BC
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Kush 1070 BC – 350 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Meroitic
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Northern > Old Nubian

Kingdom of Makuria 340 AD - 1312 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Nobatia 350 AD – 650 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Alodia 600s AD - 1504 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Modern day Nubian speakers include:

1 million+ North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Dongolawi

1 million Southern Egypt & North Sudan
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Nobiin

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Midob

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Birgid

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Hill Nubian


And LMAO where is this from? Why didn't you link us a link to where it was originally from?
[img]http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1381327_Screen_Shot_2013-10-27_at_12_49_42_AM_pngaa45bb14730d4d7fc9d843d90f828ecf[/img]

Modern day Kushites in Kenya? majority of them live in Ethiopia? What Modern day kushites are Nubians and mostly like in Sudan and Upper Egypt, that link is pseudo-historic, probably from some pro horner site.

There are 3 million Kushitic people in Kenya: They are called Somali. And they have lived in the desert of Northern Kenya for hundreds of years where they live as Nomads.

kush or cushitic is the same thing. Cushitic (kushitic) languages are Somali, Afar, Oromo, Beja.

what are you talking about. I wish there were NILOSAHRAN people here who would tell you how embarrassing your making them look by claiming for them something they are not.

Even Cushitic people talk about their recent history as old history was non Islamic. The word Cush came from The son of Ham. Kush and Nubia are interchanble.

The term "Ethiopia" was first used by Ancient Greek writers in reference to the east-central African kingdom that they believed to be not only culturally and ethnically linked to ancient "Egypt" (Kemet), but the source of such civilization as well. Contrary to popular belief, the term was not exclusive to the landlocked modern country of Ethiopia. According to early Greek writers, Ethiopia was an empire originally situated between Ta-Seti in Lower Kemet and the confluence of the White and Blue Niles. Centuries later, however, the name became synonymous with a much larger region that included the present-day countries of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia.

Ethiopia is the English transliteration of the Greek word "Αιθιοπα" (or Aithiopia) which originates from the Greek word "Αιθιοψ" or "aithiops" which literally means "charred or burnt." "Aithiops" is in fact composed of "αιθιω" (meaning "I burn") and "ωψ" (meaning face or complexion).

Prior to Greek history, Ethiopia was known as "Kush" by the ancient "Egyptians." The Buhen stela (housed in the Florence Museum), which dates from the reign of Sety I (1294-1279 BC), refers to this region as "Kas" and "Kash." Kush is also mentioned as "KSH" in other texts dated between 1550 - 1069 BC.

Amazing. So Nubians are more relate to Arabs than Cushitic people> And you say Cush is recent name given to us. WOW

CAUSE....



The name given this civilization comes from the Old Testament where Cush was one of the sons of Ham who settled in Northeast Africa. In the Bible and archaically a large region covering[b] northern Sudan, southern Egypt, and parts of Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia[/b] were known as Cush. The Bible refers to Cush on a number of occasions. Some contend that this Cush was in southern Arabia. The Biblical description of the Garden of Eden refers in the Hebrew to the land of Cush, usually translated as Ethiopia; "And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel [Tigris]: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates" (Genesis 2:10-14). Some scholars identify the river Nile with the Biblical Gihon in this reference.

Nigerians are crazy people: literally forcing Nilosahrans(who know they are not cushitic) and telling them they are: so Nigerians can claim Cush for blacks. Amazing to see you hustlers pull this one off right before my eyes.

PAPA AFRICA: Lol, what a loser. they were nilo saharan. Get over it.

you can't make a crazy assertion like that and just give a simple answer like that son. Give me details. Do you see any nilosahrans claiming Nubia and Kush which is the same thing? You don't and that is for a reason.

PAPA AFRICA: Just more babbling, nothing to see here from you, clearly.

Am asking questions mr. Kush ( you are the people of Kingdom of Kush right? lol).

Perhaps you guys should be demand to be addressed as Cushitic people and reclaim your ancient Past.

Mr. Kush, explain your history to me. Since I have been brain washed to believe Cushitic people ruled in present day north east africa.

My very large pennis is an insecurity as it has damaged many women's internal organs. I cannot go on like this. This is a curse.

Am gonna play along here and just ask. If Cushitic people were not the people in Kingdom of Kush: then who were? What language did they speak? Where did they go? And why don't the nilosahrans have the culture of ancient eygpt and Kush? And do you know that Nubia and Kush are used interchanbly?

Please answer as i am here to see a new Afrocentric myth come into existence before my eyes like all the previous ones that have no base for facts: claiming Ancient Egypt, Claiming Kush, Claiming Hebrew Israelites, Claiming Somalis, Eritreans, Ethiopians. It never gets old.

PAPA AFRICA: they had christian kingdoms after that dummy. Lol you embarrass yourself with every post. "Around AD 350, the area was invaded by the Kingdom of Aksum and the kingdom collapsed. Eventually, three smaller kingdoms replaced it: northernmost was Nobatia between the first and second cataract of the Nile River, with its capital at Pachoras (modern-day Faras); in the middle was Makuria, with its capital at Old Dongola; and southernmost was Alodia, with its capital at Soba (near Khartoum)."

You have no shame. Are you seriously saying that the Nubian people who live in southern egypt and northern sudan: are not the people of Nubia. Nubia aka Kush. Even the ancient egyptians said they came from Punt and followed the Nile.

It is well known that all cushitic people came from central ethiopia.

Man you guys make me laugh. Cause the bantus in south sudan have always been slaves and are recent arrivals. Then you will tell me the bantus in somalia were responsible for all the somali history. and the bantus in ethiopia were responsible for Axum, Abyssinia. lmao

BANTUS have no shame claiming Kush, and ancient Egypt. EVERYONE knows that nubians in the south of egypt and northern sudan were the people from ancient egypt, and those people look exactly like cushitic people in somalia and ethiopia who followed the nile river. Bantus always claim everyone like cush, egypt, hebrews, theres no shame any more.




Nubia (Land of Gold): The Kingdom of Kush (a[b]lso called Nubia - the Land of Gold[/b]) was located on the Nile River, to the south of ancient Egypt.

Nubia was also known as the Land of the Bow because their archers were expert and fierce. The army of archers kept the Nubian people safe. It was important for them to be strong. Many kingdoms wanted to control Nubia. Nubia was a land of natural wealth. They had gold mines, ivory, incense, and iron ore.

Unlike Egypt, they were not dependent upon the flooding of the Nile for good soil. They enjoyed tropical rainfall all year long.

KidStranglehold: Name me a Cushite that even comes close to this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mansa-musa-worlds-richest-man-all-time_n_1973840.html

West Africa actually had more civilizations than the horn. So don't even get me started on that. Sahelian states in west Africa were more iconic, powerful, rich and educated than any in the horn. Mali/Songhai Empire easily beats anything horners made. The only thing horners beat those Sahelian Africans in is just architecture, but other than that nothing.

And again STOP claiming the Kushites. They were NILE SAHARAN, always have been and still are!!!

So the guy had gold, cause he was in an area with a lot of minerals, and for being the richest man, how has he changed the world? pathetic.


With that much gold, he did nothing; thats why Cushitic history will always surpass bantu history.


We all know kingdom of Kush was cushitic like their name says, how sad you have to lie about this. Who do you think overtook them: it was Axum that burned Kush down to the ground as it was the same area of land they were fighting over.

If you believe they were milo saharan, than why did they name their kingdom after us: Kush. And how come these people who you call Nilosahran ever produced another kingdom. And where are they today. Cause we all know through language the people in ancient Egypt was cushitic people never nilosahran. Just look at the culture of somalia and ethiopia and how similar it is to ancient egypt

Why are we comparing the Cushitic race to west africans? Has this day come? Seriously AXUM, AJURAN, KUSH, THE SOMALI SULTANATES, VS west africans who for the last 500 years were in slavery by europeans.


O ALLAH PLZ GIVE ME SANITY.

KidStranglehold: What does this have to do with Brazilians. And a lot of other Africans fought against colonization. Not just Somalis. The Mandinka warrior Samori Ture fought the french who were waaaaaay more powerful than the silly Italians(They were a powerhouse during that time, while Italy was the joke of Europe). The French fought a war with Samori for nearly 20 years, which is ridiculous considering that France was THE major world power at the time, outside of Britain. It was because of people like him that it took so long for French colonialists to conquer the Sudan (even though they'd been trying to do so basically since the 1850s and had already set up shop in Morocco and Algeria since the 1830s).

Again West Africans/Bantus mostly fought against POWERHOUSES like the French and British. Don't even get me started on the British...Yet the the Ashantis beat the British in FIVE wars and the Zulu's gave the British the most humiliated defeat and they only used short ranged weapons. The British and French had weapons like the machine gun, while the Italians did not. The Italians were not that technologically advanced, disciplined or a POWERHOUSE(like Britain and France), so of course the Somalis and Ethiopians would have a much easier time defeating. So you don't have much a bragging rights.

i don't know what he was talking about brazilians.


dude lets not compare somalis/ethiopians to west africans. Somalis defeated the Portugese 500 YEARS go, when you guys were being purchased like cattle. And we even found time to help the Arabs and their bantu slaves who were being taken over by the portugese.

so sit down and take a seat. And never ever ever compare Somali to what you are.

KidStranglehold: Brazilians invaded Somalia? What I know Somalia9 could be irritating but come on...

First of all this is BS. Egypt had base in Somalia for a few decades in the 1800's and that was an effort to outflank ethiopia. they didn't come as occupiers. The european who came in the late 1800's partly came cause of the decline of the ottoman empire. Somalis in the north fought for over 20 years. and in the south the italians freed the bantus, and the italians and somalis invaded ethiopia. so its not real colonialism like west africa.

Adamskuty: somali mother looks for her UPDF lover lmaoo,the guy is actually her lover

By Patrick Jaramogi
Sunday, August 24,2008
[b] Nino Omar Ibrahim and her baby-boy
A Somali mother is in Kampala looking for a UPDF soldier who she says fathered her four-month-old baby-boy. The 23-year-old Nino Omar Ibrahim arrived five days ago after a one-week journey from war-torn Somalia.
The situation back home, she said, had forced her to search for the father of her son who was one of the 1,600 Ugandan peace-keepers deployed in Mogadishu.
“I met him when I took my father, Sheik Ibrahim Omar, for treatment at the AMISOM hospital in Mogadishu,” said the frail-looking Nino.
While she searches for the soldier, Nino has taken refuge in Kisenyi, the Kampala slum which has most Somali refugees.
“I LOVE THE FATHER OF MY BOY. All I need is to get in touch with him for assistance. I need him that is why I came. My child is a Ugandan but I feared being killed due to this act. I am safer here,” she said.
Under Islamic law, which operates in some parts of Somalia, a woman may be killed for having sex out of wedlock.
Nino, who says she gets help from Hussein Hassan, the chairman of the Somali community here, wants the UPDF to help her.
Army spokesman Maj. Paddy Ankunda, who met Nino at his Mbuya offices on Friday, promised to help. He identified the officer as Joshua Asiza, a medical worker.
“We want him to take responsibility and take care of the boy and the mother. They need help,” Ankunda said. “If he denies responsibility, that will be another matter.”
Ankunda would not say what sentence or charges the officer would face if he declined to take responsibility. But he added that if Asiza fathered the child, he breached the army code of conduct.
“We have guidelines to follow while on a peace mission especially abroad. In the UPDF, we don’t condone indiscipline.”
Asiza, a Warrant Officer II, was part of the first batch of the African Union peace-keeping force in the war-torn Somalia.
He refused to take his calls yesterday.
President Museveni had warned the officers to desist from “immoral acts”.
Meeting them in Kimaka, Jinja, before their departure, Museveni said: “You are leaving while healthy. Don’t go and start irresponsible behaviour that will see you contract HIV/AIDS.”
During the UPDF mission in DR Congo, many Congolese women, along with children, followed the officers back to Uganda after the mission ended. Many settled down with the soldiers as married couples. [/b] he didn't r..@pe the girl,they are lovers ooy yori yori love
Source: New Vision,Aug24,2008
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http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/Aug/somali_mother_looks_for_her_updf_lover.aspx

tease me,tease me,tease me baaybee,c'mon girl,c'mon girl,c'moooon girl,c'mon girl

o yeaaah,soon every somali child will have bantu bloods flowing in their vains hhhahahah.

Ayanle btw,do u know who ur father is? Sure he isn't a bantu soldier as well from uganda?

I can see the desperation lol. As everyone here knows that bantus are too cowardly to step outside the airport as they are targets. let alone go into civilian areas where women are not to be walking alone.

bigfrancis21: We are two different people.

sure.

Garaad: Doesn't Somali culture also denigrate other Somali tribes? Your acting like Somalis are hateful only toward other Africans as if its some unique feature. Somali culture by in large involves denigration of everyone and everything except Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. Other than that everyone is fair game.

Somalis denigrate other ethnic Somalis like the Midgaan. Somalis denigrate the Habesha (aka Ethiopians). Somalis denigrate the Arabs (daag caas). Etc.

Somali culture is moronic on many fronts. Not just racism against other Africans. But tribalism and xenophobia. The worst insults go not at the Bantu or Habesha but other Somali tribes. As Darood, I hear more insults hurled at the Hawiye and Isaaq than any Bantu/adoon in my life.

Somali tribes are 4. The only tribe that is looked down upon are midgan, and they are less than 1percent. Even then they cannot be distinguished by any other somalis, and they were never slaves.

Stop trolling me, your an obvious afrocentric trying to make ties to somalis. how sad.

bigfrancis21: Fulaman is not power hungry as you speculate. He's only carrying out his job as effectively as possible.

nice to see you fulaman, when did you start using this account?

[quote author=Efemena_xy]Wow!

Thanks for the insight, Garaad.

You know, I really did wonder where all the uncouth venom spewed forth by Ajuran or whatever names he calls himself, came from. To say his nastiness took my breath away is a gross understatement. T'is good to know that not all of you think like him.

It is well [/quote]majority of cushitic people think like me, find out why bantus are referred to as baria in ethiopia, and jareer in somalia. find out why bantus were slaves in ethiopia and somalia.

yousuf12: @Garaad

I agree with everything you said except for the bit where you said the only light skinned Somalis are the ones who intermixed with Indians and Arabs. That is totally false!
My family all have a light/fair skin complexion and my family have not been in contact with any Indians or Arabs since forever. I can trace my ancestry back to Darood Ismaeel Al Jabarti and none of my forefathers married a non Somali.

Note how Somalis in the west are usually lighter than Somalis back home. I believe it is the poverty and weather.

obviousy farad doesn't know am here as a troll, and he himself is some bantu who believes theres no such thing as a somali who is light skin. Wouldn't surprise me if his some afrocentric on a mission lmao