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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 8:38am On Jun 08
yommen:


No body in his generation is smarter than Zik but Zik still led you to present predicament. Pride wey no lead you anywhere wey you still dey display.
Zik never led anyone to predicament, when a semblance of predicament happened, Zik was no longer leading
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 8:37am On Jun 08
yommen:


You are still as dull as your Azikiwe. You are blaming Awolowo for the crimes of Azikiwe, the greedy Igbo man. Awo supported seccesion but Zik opposed it. Zik even further recommended the talk of seccesion to be a treason. Treasonable offences are punishable by death in Nigerian law. This means that anyone who would want to secceede will be killed. You people made the law through Zik and you still blaming Awolowo for attempting punish you because you broke the law you made yourself. Are you this daft?
Same people celebrating Awo is vilifying Kanu, are they any different, double standard. Zik was a nationalist Awo was a tribalist
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 8:36am On Jun 08
Putinofrussia:

Which means that Zik couldnt see beyond his nose just like you.
He saw everything and tried to avert it, your man wrote all shades of bad into the country, no wonder he was in prison
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:45am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
Heehehehhehehe.....
#ramblings!

In VDM's voice: ''y'all gon lurrrn''!
grin grin
You are buying your tomatoes with your Urtchin card Na
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:24am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
Story; still shifting goalpost!

The day Nigerians will count the average igboman trustworthy for leadership of Nigeria, ping me and I will tender an unreserved apology to you!
cool


Till then, keep your most treacherous title, cause we shall soon win fair not your treachery, the fun part you have been fielding failures
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:12am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
Story; still shifting goalpost!

The day Nigerians will count the average igboman trustworthy for leadership of Nigeria, ping me and I will tender an unreserved apology to you!
cool
I and you any position, I will win not just you before sunrise but anyone else from your generation. Talk about you
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:08am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
No need shifting goal post bra!
Sebi ur aiz don clear on who the trustworthy and untrustworthy tribes is now??

Na u drag me go there and I don clear ur doubt!
Case closed!

Next time no throw stone for market or else d stone fit nack ya papa for blockus!
cool
Politicians are the least trusted people in the planet, and if your definition of trust is based on political success then yiu are worse than a chameleon

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:01am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
Hehehehehe.....the tribe that is 'not trusted' is worthy enough to be trusted with power over the tribe that is 'trusted'! grin

The tribe that is 'not trusted' is ruling over the tribe that is 'trusted', while the 'trusted' tribe is wailing day and night that Nigerians don't count it trustworthy enough to be trusted with power.

What an irony!
grin


Politics is a game, got nothing to with tribe, I don’t think the whole Yorubas are president but you know why Igbos perform better in all indices from trade to education becuase even Gowon trusted an Igbo pilot to fly him out in time of need. Most Nigerians will buy from Igbos that’s trust. Politics in many cases is a game of the biggest lie, Igbos are real
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 10:11am On Jun 07
YesDaddy1:
The truth is never in you (plural).
Even when the truth is staring u I'm the face, u will still excuse it away in favour of fallacy.

That's why you are the least trusted/trustworthy tribe in Nigeria.
cool

God bless Nigeria.
We know the tribe that’s not trusted in Nigeria and you guys never disappoint at that. To an Igbo man A is A. Don’t discuss trust everyone knows the chameleon tribe and of courses God bless the federal republic, we already know the eternal secessionists
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:56pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:


Lol.....
Probably one person from your family that sneaked to Lagos on a night bus enjoyed and benefited from Chief Awolowo's free education policy and ideology.....lol.... grin
And how did that leave Lagos? Deep in debt just like other western states. You foolery forgot teachers don’t fall from heaven but paid. You guys deserve to be recolonized

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:44pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:


SO TINUBU WILL LEAVE APC IDEOLOGY AND WILL START TO IMPLEMENT LABOUR PARTY IDEOLOGY AFTER WINNING ELECTION??

OR AWOLOWO WILL LEAVE HIS FREE EDUCATION IDEOLOGY OF UPN AND BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT NPN SHAGARI QUALITATIVE EDUCATION??
OGA, I HAVE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THESE THINGS TO YOU BUT IT SEEMS YOU ARE BENT ON A FORLON ARGUMENT........LOL.... I am done with you......good night....lol.... grin
That’s why he is a failure, those ideology, those are policies but still both Awo and Tinubu are failures
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:30pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:



Oga,
Stop mixing up policy with IDEOLOGY for goodness sake.
Biden is a democrat and Trump is a republican. Each party has its ideology however in government policies may change but the IDEOLOGY remains the same.
Educate yourself....the Internet is free for goodness sake.
Goggle political ideology, then goggle political policy......there is a clear difference.
Haba.....
A kid knows these things....
Does elected politicians work with ideology or policy, you mistake the party for the politician. Party work with ideology, politicians work with policy. A politician is not his party in a democracy and such politicians must make a balanced and all encompassing policy. Is Tinubu the President of APC or Nigerians. If you want to ask for the ideology, go to the party chairman an elected leader works with an all encompassing policy that’s why he or she can’t be stable otherwise he will ignore people outside his ideological scope
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:23pm On Jun 06
raskymonojendor:

All these na english. Basically, Zik was a chameleon. He was not a man of his word.
You can say whatever you want, run for councilor first or even ward chairman let’s see if you a leopard
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 6:21pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:



Oga,
A great politician is STABLE and has an IDEOLOGY which is the basis of his politics. He may be flexible but it must be within his ideology..... does a communist/socialist become a capitalist??.....lol grin
Tell me one such politician who is stable, are you a politician and if yes, do you consider yourself great? Can you call Biden stable, Can you call Putin stable, can you even call Tinubu stable. If Tinubu for instance is table whats with the back and forth with subsidy, what’s with the back and forth with Labour if you are stable as a politician you are predicable and that’s not a great politician. Parties have ideology, politicians don’t
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 5:52pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:


Oga,
What kind of anarchy is this for goodness sake??
A good politician MUST have an ideology he believes in......what you are advocating is infantile stomach infrastructure politics.....this kind of politics can not lead a country or community anywhere.. .
Ideology is flexible, time is impacts everything. If your ideology is not subject to change and time then it can’t endure, time and change are unstable, a great politician is unstable
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 5:48pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

Mtcheew

Can you explain what justification Zik had to align with the Conservative North and take a mannequin position of Governor general?
If Azikiwe had aligned with Awo, they would have easily broken the northern hegemony which was what Awo wanted and today, you won't be crying of marginalisation. Instead, Zik even supported the north to balkanise the West!!
The justification was independence, North said they were not ready which could have jeopardized everything. Zik was also raised in the North and the exigencies are different from today
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:54pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:


Speak for yourself....some politicians are very stable and consistent.....don't tar everyone with your tribal brush....
Give me an example of stable politician like you don’t even understand what being a politician is, a politician is supposed to be a man of the people, since people are unstable, politicians are fluid. People may want rice tiday, but if they keep eating rice they are going to get tired and want fufu, stable politician keeps believing in fufu and that’s not a great politician
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:45pm On Jun 06
confusedlady:



Azikiwe was a very unstable politician whose ideology changed with each day.....NCNC.....Biafra......NPP......
He stole NCNC from Herbert Macaulay.......in Biafra he initially supported Ojukwu but midway through the war jumped ship and declared support for Gowon and Nigeria......He stole the Nigeria people's party (NPP) from Waziri Ibrahim who had to abandon the party for him to go and form Great Nigeria people's party(GNPP).
Every politician is unstable
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:25pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

According to who?....
According to independence or you don’t know the meaning of thst
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:25pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

No, it didn't stand, it fell and that's why Nnamdi Kanu is the 3rd elected President of the federal republic of biafra.

-Kiss the truth!
Heya kpele by Nigerian constitution, kanu has freedom of association, he’s greater than all your ancestors put together

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:01pm On Jun 06
TimeManager:

How did you join Nigeria?, did you dance into it or twerk into it?

-Kiss the truth!
So the British left and their amalgamation stood, ignorance mixed with slavery

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 4:00pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

Lol. Amalgamation was 1914
Your fate was sealed then
Independence was not freely given
It aligned with Western interests
The point is you could have avoided today's tears if Zik had realised Nigeria is a mere geographical expression like Awo did early when the stakes were not high
Ignorance, just like majority of the people, the 1915 amalgamation ended around 1958
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 3:30pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

You actually joined Nigeria at gunpoint

Go and read your history
We got independence from that and waited for others so we did not join independent Nigeria at gunpoint
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 3:07pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

What do you mean by Zik saw the future
Zik is the reason your people are shouting Biafra till today and you lost 3m children
Zik wasn’t the reason, our people will never be intimidated out of Nigeria. We didn’t join Nigeria at gunpoint and we would never exit at gun point. After the storm there shall be calm and you will get back to agitating for
Secession like your ancestors
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 2:07pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

Not true. Secession is allowed in the UK that colonised us. States in the US freely joined the Union and were aware that there's no clause for breaking up. However, the USSC has given guidelines for secession. Switzerland has a form of secession in its law and France outrightly has one.
Having secession can lead to instability in the state I agree. But with every secession clause also comes a clause for joining back. Even China had a secession clause as at then.
The point being made is that Awolowo saw the imperfections of Nigeria as a country and advocated the secession clause to guard against the tendency of maximalist among the regions.
Does the UK have a rigid constitution? If having secession is valid why did China that you mentioned do away with theirs yet we have a senate and the constitution is a continuation why blame Zik who saw through the future
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 1:13pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

What is definition of a country
Check America, China, Russia, Netherlands, even Swiss, see if they throw the words secession around in the constitution. That’s the easiest way to invoke unrest with each region invoking such clause whenever things don’t work their way
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:50pm On Jun 06
chinchum:
writing gibberish. I believe this is beyond you.
Visionary people don't focus on the moment alone, they envision the future
That’s why Awo focused on that moment not knowing what secessionist ideology will write into the country, keep living on mirage
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:49pm On Jun 06
Kukutente23:

How did he avoid that with no-secession clause. Your logic is flawed. If there was secession clause, even the Ijaw will stand as a separate nation today
An that to you is a definition of a country, I don’t want to waste my time indulging f0ols
Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 12:25pm On Jun 06
chinchum:
could it be that you don't have the intelligence to correctly analyse the circumstances surrounding the wish of Awolowo or you are deliberately twisting facts?

Awolowo was not asking for succession, but that a succession clause be added to the constitution. What that would have guaranteed is providing a legal framework for any part of the country to make a case if they strongly want to leave Nigeria. In other words, it could have been enshrined in the constitution how succession can be actualized, possibly through a referendum of the people.
It is treason for anyone to simply declare succession, which is what Ojukwu did.
Awolowo was the greatest visionary Nigeria ever had.
Was that the focus at the moment? And if he want secession why not he go the independence route alone with his region. He was the architect of the unrest’s we are having today. Leave Ojukwu out of this in his case Democracy was already quashed

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:31am On Jun 06
ElSudani:


Very true my friend. Nnamdi Kanu is sitting in jail today as a consequence of that dumb decision.
Rather than being pacified and concessions being made to him and Ibos on how to keep the country one.
He is languishing in jail and many ignorant people people are still out there shouting nzogbu nzogbu.
This is a free country,Kanu is free to pursue his dreams, Awo was also in prison for similar accusations

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:29am On Jun 06
LifestyleTonite:


The way you people reason ehn. You guys never want to admit you are wrong for once. To you, it means you are a loser.

You said Nigeria is chaotic today. Awolowo saw that and prescribed a means to avoid it, which was a secession clause. Sadly, the Zik you are praising today was myopic and should be blamed for the chaos in Nigeria today.

You people lack visionary leaders and it's all because you deny the truth. You are even ready to attack whoever tells the truth among you . Same way you guys say there's no hunger in your region and pounced on Cubana Chief Priest for telling the truth.
Even today we can see the impact of your being right, you are failures Nationalized

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Politics / Re: Flashback: Why I Opposed Awolowo On Secession - Zik by AlexBells(m): 11:22am On Jun 06
ElSudani:


Awolowo his contemporary was there and he was able to make a sound judgment. If I was in the audience when both were making their arguments there's no way I could have foreseen what was going to come.
But I guess Awo saw it and today he is vindicated.
His judgement wasn’t sound at all, his judgement inspired the civil war and brought us into this mess

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