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slamstanlee:
They all have large ears except the pastor. Btw marriage no easy

Apples fall close to Apple tress. Look at their mother.

Abdulgaffar22:
Despite the the fact that ; on the authority of Holy Qur'an 1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an19:30).

2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth (Qur'an21:91)
3. Muslims believe in the all the miracles performed by Jesus during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110) .

4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an4:158)

5. Muslims believe in Jesus'2nd coming toward the end of the world (Qur'an 43:57-61)

Yet there are some Christians who insist that Qur'an is a book of lies and deception simply because it rejects Jesus crucifixion (Qur'an 4:157-158), the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected. However, when you read and understand the major problems associated with doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion, then you will realize the reason why Qur'an must reject Jesus crucifixion if the book is really what it claims to be; i:e the word of God. These major problems are explained below.
1. Condemnation of an innocent and righteous soul for the sins he has never committed is illogical and act of injustice that is clearly forbidden in the Bible (Matthew 12:7, Proverb 17:15, Exodus 23:7, Psalm 34:22). Besides, Bible make it clear that any one that is crucified is accursed by God ( Galatians 3:13). How are we to conceive a merciful God putting His beloved prophet under His curse when God of course knew Jesus never did anything wrong? To raise a more controversial question, if it’s true that God’s justice must be appeased by sacrificing his own innocent Son, then don’t we have to conclude that pagans who have throughout history sacrificed their children to appease their gods had the right intuition ?
2. It seems to give the believers a freedom to commit sin without any consequence. Telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of!
3. It leaves no room for God's forgiveness. If God needs someone to “pay the price” for sin, does God ever really forgive anyone? Think about it. If you owe me a hundred dollars and I hold you to it unless someone pays me the owed sum, did I really forgive your debt? It seems not, especially since the very concept of forgiveness is about releasing a debt — not collecting it from someone else.
4. Atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and sincere repentance in the Old Testament is sufficient and perfect enough ( see Leviticus 16:21-30 and Ezekiel 33:10-16 ) to make the doctrine of atonement through Jesus crucifixion to be meaningless and unnecessary.
5. Repeatedly, the scriptures make it clear that one person can not die for the sin of another (Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, 2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6, Jeremiah 31:30, Exodus 32:30-34, Psalm 49:7). Therefore, Jesus cannot die for our sins on the cross at Calvary.
6. Redemption through Jesus death on the cross cannot be actualised in the life of the Old Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this redemption work was yet to happen.Yet these people (who happened to be among the children of Adam) manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God before they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse that claim otherwise). This simply implies that there is alternative way to eternal life for children of Adam other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, there is no need for God to curse and condemn his beloved prophet almost naked on the cross before we can earn our salvation.
7. Jesus himself forgave sins freely even though he was yet to be supposedly crucified (Matthew 9:2 ). This again prove to us that God is not in need of Jesus death on the cross before He can forgive our sins.
Please make sure you read the "POINT NUMBER SIX" above again and again. If you understand it very well, then it is enough to make you reject Christianity ( because if there is no Jesus crucifixion, then there is no Christianity) . Then you must accept Islam, the only religion on earth that speak well about Jesus Christ ( peace be upon him) and his mother.

Islam remains a religion fronted by satan. All you mentioned which the muslims believe about Jesus is to keep them from coming to the real Jesus, not the weak caricature Isa of the koran.

Get out of here with your Altigyya.

GodSon34:
Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jew really doesn't matter if Satan has deceived the world. Atheist are simply people that have found out that there is so much deception in Religion.
All Abrahamic religions Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all false religions based on Different versions of the truth.
Anyone that has read the bible should understand that there is a 'mystery of iniquity'. And that mystery is that the God of the bible is Satan and his son is 'The Son of Perdition' - Jesus, the imposter, the man of sin who exalted himself above all that is God, yet he resides in the 'temple of God' (that is the mind of man). He is the mental fuckery that has blinded Christians from the truth about the one and only Supreme Being, the Most High. He is also an imposter because the Messiah that all 3 faiths are waiting on has not yet come. This Messiah or Christ or anointed one is the true 'Son of Man' in the bible. And the prophesy can only be fulfilled in this our current times as this is the time of the end of the gentiles. Only now can the Messiah come and usher in the Messianic Kingdom or Kingdom of the Most High.
God is a name for Satan- Gadreel. The term God was replaced with 'El' in the bible. So El should be used instead of God. That is why most prophets in the bibles names have el in them...Elijah, Ezekiel, etc. IsraEl...Elohim...
All nations of this earth including other black races hate the true Israelites. They have no friends! The bible says there was a conspiracy to hide the true children of the most high. And it is not Christians that are His Children. They are a certain 'race' of blacks. Their Kingdom (Judah or Yahudah) is not the land in the Middle East called Israel. Those are Israelis not Israelites.

This one is completely raving mad.

Butterflyleo:
In other words you agree you are a cretinous oaf with marble for brains.

"The foolish are deemed the same as the wise until they open their mouths.".

Learn to always keep your mouth shut and whenever you wish to speak do so in monosyllables, that way you would keep your stupidity to the barest minimum just as you did here with the simple word " swerve".

That is more your range.

Kai. Wickedness. You just finished the boy.

frank317:
U read these kind of books and u are still like this... no hope for u

What kind of books do you read? The ones that tutors you how to poison people around you?

johnydon22:
Wow. Just wow. You need to get a grip Ann maybe give the religious section of this forum a break for a while so you could calm your mind and reorient your mental peace.

John, you have no idea how calm and peaceful i am right now. Well, you can never know what peace is because, it doesn't flow in your frequency. You may talk about it because you hear people talk about it, but, trust me, you don't know peace.


I have peace my dear. Mind your godlessness and don't be concerned about me.

johnydon22:
*Sighs* ok



Oh I'm happy to hear that..

Yeah. Soon we'll begin the process of picking kids off the streets into a home, feed them and educate them. You wanted to be a part, it's here.

ScienceWatch:
As usual, I commend your compassion and highly developed open mindedness in complex spiritual matters such as this VAXX.

But allow me to respectfully make a brief comment here.

That guy revealed that he is on a spiritual search and it seems that he wants to go forward.
Example: Forward is from no house to owning a house. Forward is from no job to having a job. Forward is no understanding of God to joining a spiritual institution/religion to learn, etc.

We can't go forward spiritually by consulting Atheists, that is a huge step backwards as is subtly explained in the incredible OP. BUTTERFLYLEO did a magnificent job of dismantling the very foundations of Atheism.


SALUTE !!

I like this guy.

Butterflyleo:
You have already destroyed your entire argument in your prior comment so no need trying to wake up what has been destroyed.

This is why i like you to bits, you have the patience to deal this, this dunce, trying to knock brain into his skull. Wow. Weldone.

johnydon22:
amazing!!!

Yes it is. Like i said, that aspect will always fly above your head. Quit talking about it. You and i can keep being the friends that we are, talking about orphans and how to provide food for them.
Keep your nose from my spiritual life because you can never understand it.

johnydon22:
LOL

It's funny how even you will stoop this low. If i don't know you personally, i won't be disappointed. But, i think an atheist mind will always be one.
Good luck.

Meanwhile, the project i told you about is off the ground.

shaybebaby:
Sadly, reading of their greatness hasn't rubbed off on you.
You are still basic.

At least i have the foresight to read them. We, you and i do not operate in the sane frequency.

You be child for where i dey.

Ignoremodeactivated.

frank317:
U read these kind of books and u are still like this... no hope for u

You wish you know me.

budaatum:
Poo Anas. You do!

You mean i care about your assessment of me? Hahahahahaha. You are coming late.

johnydon22:
You are doing Jesus and Christianity one better.

John, don't be so pained. My Christian faith should be the least of your concern. Why shd an atheist wish a Christian maintain the Character of Christ who doesn't exist? Biko,

johnydon22:
I didn't know demons worked for you though. That is dark.

You are gradually moving over to the dark side. Lol

This is how low you are getting now? You want to resort to what your brethren are doing? Mud is where you belong now?

Well, good luck.

shaybebaby:
Breakfast is served. Choke on it.
"Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, and the six sequels that followed it, worked the kind of magic most publishers could only dream of, selling well over 450 million copies and turning their author into a billionaire. Inspiring a devotion among fans last seen around the time of Jesus Christ, Potter became a global phenomenon."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/20-years-harry-potter-fuss/amp/

These are the kind of books you read and you'd expect me to pause and talk to you? No. We flow at different wave lengths. I read Biographies of great men like Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. Alexander the Great, Winston Churchhill and the present American President Donald J. Trump. What made these men who they were and are.

Gerrout of here.

flamingREED:
I didn't know such a woe befell his dammed soul,
I might have saved my energy since.

Treat him as you would a dead fly in your drink. That is what he is to me, a dead fly.

Just stop the idol worship. YHWH hates it.

nwokoyepraise:
Lols, you are quite funny. It was just a simple question meant for clarification.

Your question is rhetorical because your answer is in your question.

superhumanist:
Says the delusional Arrow that believes that she commands demons.

See? this is coming from a sage o. Do you think being a sage is by saying you are? I have been in this forume, i observe folks both atheist and theists. They are sound atheists albeit dumb in the things of God, but put up sound and consistent line of discourses, but you are farrrrr, from that.
You can't hold a line of discourse without insults, that is not a display of intelligence.

Try again for your jibes are idiotic and are not befitting of a sage.

ScienceWatch:
you are absolutely on point with the subtle nuances in the OP.

Atheists stupidity certainly cancels out the wisdom in the OP

It does indeed.

ScienceWatch:
This stupid dude brags that he is the one that is widely read, but all I see is a strange lack of understanding with grave illogical inconsistencies.

No, he is a superior intellectual, a super Sage. fools blow their trumpets.

nwokoyepraise:
Who is worshipping who? How?

What do you mean who is worshipping who? Is Mary worshipping you?

Butterflyleo:
He believes some demons are dead people yet he is an atheist.

An atheist Sage. hahahahahahahaha. I no go die for laf.

Butterflyleo:
He believes some demons are dead people yet he is an atheist.

An atheist Sage. hahahahahahahaha. I no go die for laf.

JayB11:
Sorry. You can pls post it n sorry again.

That'll ve to be tomorrow for the night cometh when no man can work.

Butterflyleo:
The kid is using a horror movie story line to assume necroscope is actually a word with such a meaning.

The word that actually exists is necropsy and necroscopy.

And he is a Sage you see?

shaybebaby:
Coming from Anal09, I'm so hurt.

Yeah, this is the intelligent one. Always resorting to Vitro becos of lack or coherency.

shaybebaby:
How would you recognise intellect when you have breeze blowing between your ears?

Someone who reads Harry Potter is talking about intelligence Wow.

No be your type abeg.

nwokoyepraise:
So you mean that the Mary, the mother of Jesus I know has now transformed to Ishter? By who?, Lols. I guess I can just wake up tomorrow and find out the my father has been turned to a god. Lols.
BTW, I don't know where people get the idea, that anything that is just not recorded in the Bible is outrightly wrong. It is even written in the Bible that the Bible in itself does not contain everything.

The Mary you worship in Catholic church is not the Mary mother of Jesus. Mary mother of Jesus, did not die a virgin, she had other children with Joseph, and Jesus never worship her neither did Peter.

superhumanist:
Sometimes, I forget that I am discussing with ignorant christians who only read the bible and only know their religion.

In the Hindu religion, some demons are people who in their past lives, committed a lot of evil- they reincarnate as demons.

My apologies, I forgot to keep in mind that you are not as widely read as I am

Hahahahahahaha. So i come off like someone who only reads the Bible? Wow. The Bible must be such a great book that i read it and passed all my exams without a resit from 100 levels to the end. Should i tell you how many professional exams i have written and passed? Yet i read only my Bible.

See how much of a Sage you are?

The Bible says, Even a fool when he shuts his mouth. he'll be countered as a wise man'. Shut the hell up.